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learning how to mod, decided to make my own take on underswap

Also, Toby, WHY ALL OF THE TEXT IS IN THE SAME GODMAN FILE

He did NOT know how to code that shit i promise you

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I don't like Toriel.

I know that a lot people are seperated if Toriel is a bad mom or if Toriel is a good mom and she just wanted to have some fun because of that drunk scene but like, even ignoring the Dark World because she didn't knew about it,

She let in a guy who she knows for two days to drink and dance all night while her depressed child is somewhere she doesn't even know. Kris is clearly uncomfortable by how she acts, i don't think it's a first time she is like this. (Also can i mention how Sans is a bit of an asshole here? He even ate all of the pancakes in the fridge lol)

There is something clearly wrong with Kris, they carry a knife everywhere, their side of the room is empty and very depressing, they leave the water running while they are in the toliet and they have a (confirmed) BIG ASS BLOODSTAIN on the carpet.

You can say "She does't know about humans!" but it's her responsibility to know? Shes their mother, she NEEDS to know. She should learn, she should talk to a specialist but what she does instead? She reads the same ONE book over and over again.

Also, Kris behavior IS alarming to others? Noelle, Susie and ASGORE (in the wierd route) are alarmed by how they act, but Toriel? Not that much.

I think Toriel is a better mom in Undertale, but shes a hypocrite and a bad person to everyone else.

Of course, Chara also has a knife that is from them but i think it's just like a knife for gardening because Chara seems to be interested in flowers. (Also they say themself that "It's perfect for plants and vines" in pacifist/neutral run, i think they just gave that knife a better sounding name in geno lol)

She seems to be more worried and carring to Frisk, more of a stereotypical motherly character.

However, she also lets them go even though i'm pretty sure she knows that Frisk would die and she tells them to "NOT COME BACK"???

Assuming that every human that has fallen there were also kids,(which i think was confirmed by Toby?) this places her even in the worst light.

Like, i know keeping people locked is bad but like, those were children and Toriel is an adult. It's like letting a kid into a cage full of lions.

She should have destroy these doors long time ago, she should have never let those kids get close to them.

But she doesn't, why? I think because she just didn't think of it really, OR she wants to talk to Sans and she is willing to put those kids at risk for that. But even then, she could just like, lock the basement.

Flowey also seems to be pissed at her, i don't think he likes her that much.

But let's now focus on why i think she's a "bad person"

She leaves her husband and kingdom, She fires Alphys even if she has no power to anymore, everyone in the ruins is SCARED of her and the worst of all, she calls Asgore a coward and then gives him a plan that would absolutely kill him.

Because, what was her plan? Take one soul, exit the barrier and ask for more without violance. Sounds familair? Yeah it's exactly what Chara and Asriel did.

First of all, humans wouldn't give him their souls willingly because OF COURSE they wouldn't. They would attack Asgore in sight, especially after seeing Asriel many years ago and thinking that he killed an innocent child.

The soul would also fight for control. From Asriel, omega flowey and god of hyper death we know that souls have a split control, we know that the soul could just not allow Asgore to fight back and he would die.

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People call Chara "evil" for how Flowey calls us "empty like him" and helps us in genocide run HOWEVER,

Flowey ALWAYS thinks we're Chara, at least untill the end of the true pacifist route. He never questions why we are nice because Chara wouldn't be nice, he questions why we are doing this because he thinks that we will only get hurt.

He says himself that he thinks Chara "cares about their friends" at least few times.

So why is he like that in genocide? Because we do what he wants. In every other run he encourages us to kill, ask us difficult questions that in his mind would force us to violance and blantly says that this world is "killed or be killed."

In genocide, he is so helpfull and nice because we do what he wants, I have no doubt in that. He manipulates (or at least wants to) Chara and us by being how Asriel would be like, even in his final moments he pulls out Asriels crying face while begging for mercy.

And it kinda works? When Chara attacks, they just do it automatically, not letting Sans or Asgore even finish what they wanted to say. But with Flowey? They hesitate, they let him finish what he wanted to say and WE have to force Chara to attack (by clicking "Z") which we didn't had to do before.

Fandom sometimes calls Chara a manipulator but i feel like they aren't, they are just easy TO manipulate. I mean, we and Flowey do it constantly in the genocide route.

Chara doesn't seem to be malicious in nature, especially if you believe in NarraChara theory (which i do)

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I kinda dont understand Horrortale

I mean, its great AU (except the creator is a proshipper) but i remember that in that AU monsters are starving and like??? That doesn't't make sense? They use magic to make food so untill they have magic, they have food?

Can someone correct me please.

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Hear me out on that plis

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I wonder if Chara explained to Asriel Fnaf lore

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Kris isn't the hero from the prophecy

:The cage with human soul and parts!

This...doesn't fit Kris, doesn't it?

In the situation we're in, we are more like a cage to Kris, not the other way around.

Also, in the concept art of the heros, the human isn't named like the rest of them. there's "Susie", "Ralsei" and "Human."

Did Toby just didn't came up with a name for Kris then? It seems rather unlikely, he was working on that game for years.

So, i think it's the vessel.

"The cage with human soul and parts." Seems like a perfect description for the vessel afterall.

They aren't called a human here because they kind aren't, they are a goner. But they have human parts, the parts that we make at the start of the game.

They also have a human soul, well, they should have.

Yeah, when were on that, WHY we don't control our vessel?

The person who helps us create it (Gaster) speak in all caps and then suddenly he get cut off and someone speaking in lower caps starts talking.

Is that still Gaster? Why would he cut himself off? Also, there is no other point in the game or on Tobys twitter or anywhere where he speaks in lowercase.

I think we were suppose to control the vessel but someone doesn't want that.

Maybe the same person who told Ralsei everything about the prophecy.

Talking about Ralsei, what if hes wrong?

I mean, he is wrong about Kris at best. What if hes wrong about Susie too?

This doesn't realy look like Susie, doesn't it?

Susie doesn't use swords afterall.

This isn't a theory, just something i noticed? I am 99% sure Kris isn't the human from the legend, so, here is a very random prediction.

Ralsei's legend is wrong, he was lied by the person who gave him the information about it.

The true heros are the vessel, Noelle and *Lancer/still Ralsei.

Kris, Susie (And maybe Ralsei) are the ones who will cause trouble. (Kris already does, they work with the knight and they opened at least one fountian.)

*lancer thing isn't very possible, i just find it interesting if it was. He's the only other person who is called "a prince", he is from the dark and he keeps appearing with the protagonists everywhere.

I'm not counting on that but i wish that was true lmao

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With how familair the first area of chapter 3 look like to first area of chapter 1, i think chapters 1 first area takes place in a rug.

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A shitty AU where Azzy uses his god powers to travel to a diffrent timeline where he and Chara are alive, and accidently gets into the Deltarune timeline

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Kris is non-binary BUT wouldn't it be funny (not funny) if they aren't actually?

What if they were a girl, or a boy, and when the game started it just took it away for "inclusivity"?

Like Kris already has a identity problem because they are adopted and they are not a monster so imagine if they wouldn't be even referred by their loved ones as their prefered gender. They aren't a monster, they aren't biologly related to their family and they aren't even a real woman/man anymore.

"They" could also hurt them because, "they" is often used also for multiple people, so even when someone talks to them, Kris has to remember that we are with them, always.

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Everyone loves Papyrus.

No like, EVERYONE loves Papyrus.

Even in the game, while he isn't popular and people find him very annoying, the game won't let you forget if he's dead.

Like, Undyne will be furious about what you did to him. Sans will be mad and call you "dirty brother killer".

And everyone in snowdin? They don't know what happend but they miss him, they feel like without him something is missing.

Even Flowey, who doesn't care about other people, really like Papyrus.

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You know, "cookies that look like Burgerpants" is a really low bar to clear. considering the things he does with his face.

bonus sketches because i keep drawing ncg and bratty.

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A lot of people draw Chara in Deltarune as they would make them in Undertale, sarcastic, a bit psychopatic and always smiling and ignoring what i think about this interpretation of Chara overall, i want to give you guys a diffrent perspective.

Chara was raised by humans there.

And do we see how Chara was on the surface? No, but we can see from the introduction and Asriels memories that Chara was a bit of a shy child. They don't want to show their face even on a family photo.

They seem to be abused by humans, their hatred for them must have been taken from somewhere. And the text "Monsters won't hit you as hard" seems to imply it.

Also, Chara and Kris seem to be very familair to eatchother. Kris likes chocolate, knifes and wears the same clothes as them, so what if its the other way around too?

I propse a diffrent Chara. Asriels shy, introverted, wierd roomate who doesn't speak much.

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Basically the whole Nicepants sub-plot

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Did the Dreemurrs think of Chara as part of their family?

Some say yes, some say no. I personally think that yes, they did, and i will try to prove it.

One of arguments agaist it is that none of the Dreemurrs call Chara part of their family, however i think it can be explained.

Asriel always calls Chara his "Best friend" because well, they are best friends. Sometimes siblings, especially when they are adopted siblings, call themself best friends more often than siblings.

(We can see that for example in The Amazing world of Gumball or in Adventure Time where the adopted brothers more often call themself friends than siblings.)

Asgore only mentions Asriel when he's dying.

The whole underground thinks that Chara has fallen sick so, to do best of knowlage to Asgore, there was no way Chara could survive.

But Asriel could. Asriel's death could have been avoided, this is why Asgore wants his son back but not Chara. He accepted Charas death because there was nothing to do, but Asriel had a chance and if only Asgore would stop him, but he didn't and it's one of his many regrets.

Also, Asgore DOES mention Chara when he's on the brink of dying if you try to spare him again.

With a smile on his face, he tells about this "human" that has fallen long time ago and says that Frisk have the same hope in their eyes like Chara. He is very positive about them!

Of course he or Toriel doesn't call Chara their child, which seems to make many people believe that they don't see them as much, however it's something that i want to go over now.

Chara is left as ambiguous as they can on purpose.

Canonicly, we know almost nothing about Chara, we can only speculate things.

No age, no gender and no personality, we are the ones who choose how Chara is. We even choose their name.

At the start of the game, we don't even know Chara exists. We are made believe that Frisk is the person we name at the start and we are no where in the game told that Chara OR ASRIEL existed untill the end.

To our knowlage, Frisk is Chara, Flowey is evil just because, Asgore is a tyran and Toriel isn't associated with him in any way other than disagreeing on killing humans.

Things slowly start to change as we progress throughout the game.

And what we find out as we progress? That Chara IS counted by the monsterkind as a part of the royal family, by random monsters AND by Gerson who is VERY close to the Dreemurrs and very good at reading people, but he still calls Chara and Asriel "their children".

So the whole underground is wrong? Why would they? To see Chara as part of the royal family there must have been a reason so that even people close to the Dreemurrs think the same.

Maybe Chara didn't want to be part of their family? Well, we don't see that in the game also. We even see things that contradict it.

Chara seems to care about the Dreemurrs. Chara calls the snail pie that Toriel makes in hard mode an "acquired taste", which can mean that they ate her pie even if they didn't like it.

Chara also seems to be sad when you kill Toriel in the nautral run ("No one will use this stove anymore...") And they seem to take mannerism from her. (They both talk very nicely and formally, both introduce themself saying "Greetings")

Chara also complements Toriels house, calling it "cute and tidy" and they remember how she calls her chair.

Then what about Asgore? They seem to see him as a father figure.

They share his enjoyment of Flowers and plants, the Dreemurr family even gifted them a dagger for gardening.

They also probably made a sweater for him or were somehow tied to it. In the normal routes, Chara specificly says that the sweater was "hand-knit" and in genocide route they say "he still has that sweater."

Perhaps they knit it, perhaps they and Asriel knit it. I don't believe Toriel did it because "Mr. Dad guy" seems like a very childish sentace, prehaps Chara/and Asriel asked her to knit it for him? Afterall they seem to be connected to it since they focus on it.

And if they are tied to it, they calling him "Dad" could mean they see him as a father figure.

Then toriel and Asgore don't see them as their child? There is no proof of that, actually based on their behavior, there is a big chance that they DID think of them as their child. Afterall, Toriel knows us for few minutes and already calls us "her child" and after sparing Asgore, he says that Frisk can stay with him and they will be like family.

Also, there is one more thing.

Kris and Chara

Now, im not saying Kris is Chara HOWEVER, i think Kris is at least a paraller to Chara.

They both have a very close relationship with Asriel, they both like chocolate and Toriels pie, they both have interest in knifes, their eyes are red at least under some circumstances, they both share the same soul and they both wear the same clothes.

If there are so many similarities between them, why their relationship with the dreemurrs should be diffrent?

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I think Chara was abandoned by their caretakers and this is why they hate humanity.

It's not really a theory, it's just a headcanon that i based around some of the games text.

Chara sometimes projects onto Frisk, we can see that for example in the fight with Crystal (Snowdrakes Mother)

So, if Chara projects there, maybe there is somewhere else in the game where they do that? I believe that there is.

I think when Chara talks about abandoned quiche, they talk about themself.

It seems like a very wierd way for Chara to talk, they seem rather sad about it, especially when you don't want to take the quiche or you don't have space.

Why would Chara talk like that? Are they joking? There is no punchline.

They are referencing the fact that Sans left it there? Papyrus doesn't have to tell us and we don't have to listen to the Echo Flower and Chara has the same reaction.

Somebody said that Chara says it because Frisk doesn't have parents but how would they know and WHY would they?

It's pretty fair to assume that Frisk doesn't have parents, but how would Chara know? Chara can tell what Frisk is feeling and what they are thinking, but i don't think Chara knows that Frisk doesn't have parents/caretakers. Afterall, everything up to this point showed that Frisk wants to escape the underground and come back home. (Almost Immediately after reaching Toriels house, Frisk says it themself, they want to go back home. We also aren't required to call Toriel "mom".)

Maybe Chara just looks at Frisk and assumes what they are doing by their facial expression and actions? This would make sense, because Chara sometimes gets it wrong.

But even if they DO know somehow, why would they talk about it here and now? To make fun of them?

Chara hates humanity and they DO make fun of Frisk, however they are never malicious like that. They just make silly jokes when Frisk is wrong or say that Snowdrakes jokes are bad, so in the pacifist/neutral runs, they aren't really mean.

Well, except to Snowdrakes Mom but i think they were just freaking out because they were unnaturally for them emotional.

They are also wierdly emotional here, sad about some abandoned food. This doesn't seem like them, they are never like this about food. (Exept calling Toriels sail pie an "acquired taste")

Am i cherry-picking? Maybe.

Am i not right? I'm pretty sure yeah.

Will i stop believing in it? No.

Asriel says that Chara has fallen for "not very happy reasons."

Of course, it could mean that Chara wanted to die, it seems to fit their Character. But also, counting my "theory" in, i propose a diffrent story.

Chara was abandoned by their caretakers, which made them hate humanity. Nowhere to go, they decided to hide in the cave but (like seen in the opening) tripped on a vine and fallen into the underground.

wanting to die doesn't even have to be discarded for this version of the story.

Anyway, like i said i'm probably wrong lol I suck at making theories.

But i like it, so it's canon in my head.

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Are those sprites used in the game?

I love how uncomfortable he looks lmao