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apologies in advance if I come across aggressive. I tried adjusting my tone but I struggle with wording myself in a way that doesn’t, in other peoples words, feel like an attack. we haven’t slept very well either but I’d rather circle back to this now instead of waiting the potential weeks or months it may take to front again. please know that I don’t mean to be mean if this reply sounds that way. I appreciate your follow-up and for giving me the opportunity to speak on this, but would again like to emphasize that my stance is “not everything has to be a label” as well as “let yourself live without pathologizing everything about yourself”.

1 - the bicameral mind theory and what you’re talking about is not related to what I addressed. to start, that theory relates mostly to humanity and civilization from millenia ago, whereas I’m referring to CDDs and the concept of plurality outside of trauma and its relationship with dissociation. I can see how the two would get confused or improperly related - as I explicitly referenced survival and integration - and it’s probably been a while since you’ve looked in-depth at the theory, but I need it to be known that the bicameral mind theory, our current understanding of consciousness, and how people view themselves is very different from the concept of dissociation and non-integration. “having parts that communicate” is actually a form of integration and is typical of the modern day communal-individual view of consciousness and the self. it has nothing to do with CDDs and “plurality”, which is what I’m referring to here. having an internal monologue/dialogue is typical. speaking to yourself is typical. being self aware and having the ability to observe yourself and your identity objectively is typical. seeing yourself as different “parts”/having “parts” of yourself is not the same as having alters and should not be related to CDDs and “plurality” in the psychological sense. these are two very different things, you cannot hold typical traits and maladaptive traits side by side and say it’s the same thing. both traits/states have the goal of survival, as that is what we as humans are inclined to do, but one is a direct result of inescapable stress and a chronic feeling of being in danger. the two are barely related, even if on the same spectrum. please don’t treat them as if they’re sibling states.

2 - I would hope it to be obvious that amnesia and dissociation in the context of trauma and inability to integrate as a result of dissociative barriers are maladaptive behaviors. human brains are built to hold survival above all else. if something is to keep us from feeling safe during early formative years (when we are first discovering our physicality, how safe we are, and how safe the world is), we are naturally going to adopt maladaptive traits that reinforce “safety” in that particular environment for survival. so, while I currently don’t have a source directly supporting this claim, I can still use my critical thinking skills and cross-reference the various studies I’ve read on safety, survival, dissociation, and childhood trauma to come to this conclusion. as I would hope the same could be said for everyone else here.

if you’re interested, here are a few of the studies and articles that influenced my view on this particular topic. there are more, but I limited myself to the more relevant ones. note the consistently supported relationship between trauma, maladaptive coping mechanisms, survival, and dissociation. also note the repeated emphasis on dissociation/CDDs and “disruption”, “maladaptation”, “non-integration”, etc.

https://www.nctsn.org/what-is-child-trauma

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.2147/PRBM.S402456

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/15248380221120835

https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cdep.12112

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eve-Carlson/publication/336107396_Development_Reliability_and_Validity_of_a_Dissociation_Scale/links/5d8e6f0892851c33e942f4c9/Development-Reliability-and-Validity-of-a-Dissociation-Scale.pdf

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.2147/PRBM.S113743

thank you for your time.

It’s almost as if plurality is a very broad spectrum and not all endogenic systems will have the same experiences or fit into the same box. It’s almost as if plurality is merely one symptom of dissociative disorders and it’s actually quite possible to exhibit a single symptom of a disorder without actually having the disorder itself.

Just because someone has an intense interest or passion, would you call them autistic? Of course not, because autism presents with a wide range of symptoms. Just like dissociative disorders. Just like any mental disorder. You need multiple qualifying symptoms in order to be diagnosed. And a lot of plural people (endogenic or otherwise) just don’t have the other symptoms necessary for a dissociative disorder diagnosis.

not that I'm obligated to entertain someone who doesn't have the balls to do this off-anon, but I feel like talking to a brick wall today. lucky you.

I want to let you know off the bat that nothing you or anyone says without linking at least one actual, proper research article (e.g. reliably sourced, no COI, no baseless claims, researchers cite their sources if they aren't directly referencing the study, unbiased, ecological validity, etc) will have any impact. I tell you this now to give you the opportunity to stop here and save yourself the time and effort of developing a counter-argument that won't be responded to productively or (potentially) at all.

I am of the belief that it is of great importance to be critical of everything you read, even if it supports your claim. a lot of y'all tend to just take these papers at face value without actually thinking critically about it or what it says because you're too focused on "this supports the thing I think!" to properly examine and analyze it for flaws.

I understand that non-dissociative plurality is fairly new to the medical field, but that does not negate the fact that classic AND contemporary research supports the idea that being a system is rooted in trauma. that does not negate the fact that most classic and contemporary research papers emphasize the fact that “plurality” is heavily tied to ACEs, lack of support, and the child's inclination towards creativity and use of imagination. your brain, like everyones, does not want to form barriers. it is forced into forming barriers. it wants to be as whole as it can get because that is how we have survived as a species. that's why integration occurs during childhood/before the start of puberty in the first place. the only reason some people have barriers and others don't is because their brain (our brain) recognized that it would be incapable of function and, in that, survival if it had integrated like it is biologically predisposed to do.

obviously older research papers have their own issues, but those are typically resolved after being re-examined and reframed contemporarily. even so, it's important to critique these older pieces in natural and regular settings to prevent a setback in the current understanding of research as a whole (not just in the context of systems). this same process needs to occur with newer pieces on "multiplicity" outside of OSDDID for the exact reason that it is a new field of study greatly impacted by the accessibility of the internet and the inescapable online influence that is present in most participants as a result.

you don't have to convince anyone that your point is the correct one, just as I don't have to convince anyone of that either. I just enjoy expressing my opinions and find it nice that there is direct feedback when posting publicly. it just so happens that my opinions are heavily based in research and medical fact, whereas the extent of "research" for many endogenics (and most people looking into online system communities) won’t go beyond blog posts and the 5-10 articles (all of which have their own issues) that are floating around your spaces. not unlike what you are exhibiting here. it is very easy to find proper articles on OSDDID, trauma, and dissociation, hence why I'm not including any here - you could fact check me all day long and still have things to read (I encourage you to do so). not so much for "plurality" outside of that. where are your sources? where is your evidence? making claims like this without having anything to back it up is a surefire way of spreading misinformation which, as I’m sure I’ve said before, is something I would much rather avoid.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but “plurality” is not a spectrum. yes, it is possible to exhibit symptoms without having a disorder, but that's just not how it works with trauma-based disorders like OSDDID. comparing the symptoms of a trauma-based disorder to the symptoms of a neurodevelopmental disorder isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. and before you say "well, endos aren't trauma based disorders!" the suffix "-genic" implies a correlation between the two, there isn't a single source I've seen that proves beyond a reasonable scientific doubt that "plurality" the way it's described by endogenics outside of trauma is possible, and there are plenty of endogenics who do claim to have trauma but that their "system" occurred outside of that. given the current understanding of how “plurality” and it's direct correlation to trauma works, that simply isn't possible.

a lot of endogenics do actually qualify for dissociative disorders without realizing it. and the ones who don't just aren't "plural". there are a ton of disorder cocktails that mimic the symptoms of OSDDID (including feeling "plural") almost to a tee. and to address the “non-disordered” claim: it’s okay to have a big imagination and to find comfort in that. that doesn’t make someone a system. or “plural”, if we’re going with that concept.

recently, I saw a post talking about "median systems" and the "midcontinuum". I ended up going down a rabbit hole of sorts and found, unsurprisingly, that the "midcontinuum" was based in very old, very undeveloped research relating to DID (or MPD, as it was referred to more often than not in the MANY first person accounts I read through). I went through about 80-90 different links, most of them being blog/social media posts as there was very little research done into this, and every single one could be linked to some form of OSDD, P-DID, or a mix of trauma, autism, OCD, ADHD, etc. (all connected by their - need I remind you - self reported imaginative abilities and propensity for creative outlets) and that was just from the symptoms that they themselves claimed to have.

you're not required to educate people on something you so strongly believe in, but if that's what you want to do, it's considered good practice if you provide valid sources instead of varying first person accounts. even more so in this new age of internet, where anyone can be anything and theres really no way of knowing the truth.

in all honestly - if you want my opinion - none of these labels matter. in microlabeling every experience, every symptom, every presentation; in giving name to everything pathological outside of our personal experiences with healthcare, I think we’ve all ended up doing a lot more harm than good.

I had something in our drafts already talking about this but I guess I can put it here: everyone seems to have forgotten that the whole point of putting a name to these experiences was for classification and insurance. it's helped create community, of course, but whatever the name it has is unimportant as long as it's dealt with healthily. splitting is not healthy. dissociating is not healthy. forcing alters to form is not healthy. these things aren’t necessarily “bad”, but they aren’t “good” either. the existence of alters is not what is tended to in therapy, the underlying trauma and the "why" of their formation is. that is where the focus needs to be. "why".

sure, it can be fun coming up with new terms, playing with the concept of "plurality", or exploring adverse reactions to trauma - we as people are naturally curious, so of course we want to understand ourselves and our relationship with the world around us - but please do not let this discourse or the community take the attention away from that "why". this is about self exploration, right? then don’t let the ideas and opinions of others inhibit you from delving into yourself. don’t let the pathologising of every experience take you away from yourself. let it be about self-exploration.

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hi moots :3 i love u all /p :3 u guys r so based and cool :3 i like that we're in th same online circle :3 heres a song 4 u :3 n another :3 almost done... ... 1 more for good measure!! :3

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kk goodnight!!

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a lot of things aren’t ok but everything will be

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Maka

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Today’s rabbit plushie is:

Toastie Tan Bunny ~ by Douglas

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Today’s hare plushie is:

Mountain hare ~ by Hansa

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>> the_story_of_a_biologist

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minor vent? not rlly, just complaining about a hosts singlet bf (i do not like him) ummm tw for nsx boundary violation ok ya thxx

this mf does not know how to respect boundaries istggg

we’ve been splitting for a bit now and having major flashbacks and dissociation issues but he just doesnt get it and its sooooo annoyinggggg

like no babes “i dont wanna be touched rn” does not mean ask “well what about on your arm?” it does not mean look for loopholes or keep asking or whatever the fuck, it means DONT TOUCH USSSS nutty literally told you it was a trauma thing and you dgaf why??? being selfish for what like oh SORRY we have trauma??? you should know better

and he is soooo fucking rude to parts that arent his bf??? like hyun mi was in front the other day cuz nutty needed a break baddd and he was so just… ugly to her. he didnt talk to her, his vibes were prickly, he kept asking about nutty nutty nutty who CARESSSS. we’re here too, like it or not, and if ur gonna act like this every time hes not around then we dont want to be around YOU fuck offfff omggg

genuinely dont think he cares about anyone but himself and ive been getting these vibes for a while tbh

im so glad limbo agrees with me cuz hes always right about the people in our lives and what needs to be done about it so im hoping nutty stops being a people pleaser for 2 damn seconds and gets stricter with boundaries cause if not hes gonna get put in host timeout

kk thx for reading love yall 💋💋 -cam + nina

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one of the biggest lies we’ve somehow been sold by corporations and associated media is that our inability to complete tasks in as little time as possible makes us a burden to society. people look to “efficiency” as the ideal and we’ve somehow been tricked into thinking fast = efficient = good. this has bled into our personal lives and how we “relax”. we are not allowed down time but are told that down time is necessary. so instead of ever really taking that chance to take care of ourselves, we speed through it so as not to feel inefficient. tik tok, social media, chat gpt, gemini, AI, AI, AI. inefficiency makes you lazy. inefficiency makes you an outcast. inefficiency makes you a bad person. get burnt out, speedrun recovery, stay burnt out but suck it up a little bit better. do you feel your mind moving a mile a second? do you feel the exhaustion setting into your bones? or do you ignore it just enough to stay working? good workers don’t complain. good workers keep going, even when it hurts. good workers are rewarded. eventually. good workers get what they deserve. maybe. do you feel the frustration? do you feel the anger? or are you too tired from running through life to acknowledge it?

we were not built for this. take your time. let yourself rest.

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and if someone says “no”, dont pout about it in front of them, dont get mad at them, and try not to take it personally. its fine to be upset that someone you care about doesnt want to be touched, but making them feel guilty for setting a boundary is a surefire way of getting them to not trust you or want to be around you anymore.

Hello! Time for an important post!

Consent.

It doesnt matter who it is, your partner or friend:

ASK. BEFORE. TOUCHING.

Sexual? ASK!

Literally just a hug or kiss? Ask!

Heres how to ask!

‘May i have some physical touch?’

‘How would you feel with some physical comfort?’

‘Hug?’

‘May we conduct in physical intimacy?’

If they say no? Dont touch em! Its actually very simple!

From your favorite scientist, 🥐!

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I just want to put out a reminder for anyone who identifies as anti-endo, or is against endogenic systems (as an anti-endo myself):

Be against the action, not the person. What most of us dislike is the ableism and misinformation that is caused by the endogenic community. We shouldn’t be hating the individuals, simply as individuals. We should be purely against ableism and misinformation. I truly, personally believe a lot of endos are a victim of this movement as well. I think there are many people who self-identify as endogenic, who truly do suffer from a CDD, who believe they don’t have one because their trauma “wasn’t bad enough”. They believe the misinformation that if you don’t have this world shattering trauma, you don’t have DID/OSDD, but instead you’re “endogenic”. This means a person actually suffering from a CDD won’t ever get the help they need, and will chronically feel invalidated about their trauma. I also think there are a lot of people who identify as endogenic who have no disorder at all, who think they’re systems because regular experiences are being made to seem abnormal. Teens struggling to figure themselves out ? Oh, you must be multiple people. Having different personalities around different groups of people, or at different times ? Oh, that must be alters. Being forgetful ? Oh, must be amnesia because you’re a system. I think we should try to show some compassion to these people. A lot of them are truly mislead by the notion this absolutely anyone can be a system.

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Kermit for Pope

I was trying to find out if Kermit was eligible to be pope and I found a blog that says he's the perfect example of a catholic priest

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Yes professionals can be wrong too but a professional knows more about mental health disorders and diagnosing them than a 16 year old on Tumblr so can we PLEASE stop using "well professionals are wrong too" as an excuse.

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Move Away From RAMCOA

Note: This is not my post!!! Someone else asked me to post it on their behalf and they wish to stay anonymous

What is this? Here is a list of sources, citations, and explanations for each of them aimed at debunked claims surrounding the ISSTD and their foundation- more specifically their controversial SRA, RAMCOA, OEA, and other terms section.

SRA, later becoming the RA in RAMCOA, stands for Satanic Ritual Abuse. This terminology was created during the Satanic Panic, a period in the 1980s-90s where public officials, law enforcement, and otherwise regular individuals held a widespread belief and panic over the idea of Satanic Cults running amok in the United States. This panic was taken advantage of by various people as a way to spread their own agenda, and was later disproved as a conspiracy theory by the government, several times. (X)(X)

The ISSTD was founded in 1983 during the Satanic Panic to study DID, SRA, and the connection between the two of them. “In the 1980s, Braun became a leading proponent of the satanic ritual abuse theory, and appeared on TV promoting it. According to this theory, thousands of children were being subjected to organized acts of murder, torture, human sacrifice, cannibalism and sexual abuse throughout America, in elaborate ceremonies performed by Satan-worshippers.”(X) (X) Braun, whom at the time still possessed his license, went on to directly link the formation of all DID with the occurrence of SRA, he would then go on to attempt to have this added to the DSM as a diagnostic criteria, publishing articles and other research on it to oppose his colleges who did not buy in to the panic, going as far to accuse those who did not agree with him were in fact perpetrators/members themselves. (X) Each of Brauns claims have been debunked over the years including a police and government effort that investigated over 12,000 official documented claims of SRA. (X) Braun has been sued twice by former patients for his malpractice, and has been accused on multiple accounts of feeding his conspiratorial beliefs to them. His license was suspended twice before it was revoked and he was expelled from the Illinois and American Psychiatry Societies.(X) He continued to play a central role in the ISSTD until 2021.

Collin Ross, one of the lead researchers into RAMCOA, was found guilty of medical malpractice, convincing one of his patients that she was impregnated by aliens through a satanic cult, though his license was not revoked. He has also gone on record saying that he, and other people, can shoot energy from their eyes that can be captured. He follows in Braun’s footsteps, and continues to be an active member of RAMCOA research even today. (X)(X) Allison Miller, another ex lead researcher of the RAMCOA sig, is currently unlicensed, and to this day continues to claim that recent criminal investigations have given the results that satanic cults are a widespread global issue.  She, like Braun has linked satanic abuse as an active initiate of DID. One of her main controversies is that she claimed her clients delusions of alien abductions were actually memories “implanted by a satanic cult to make her seem crazy” One of Miller’s main supporters was Neil Brick, who claims he was programmed by the illuminati to be a serial killing spy, these claims were looked into by the FBI and disproven. (X)(X) Tara Tulley, another ISSTD member, had her license revoked for performing exorcisms and other demon revocations on patients with DID, believing that their DID was caused by satanic rituals. (X) Eileen Aveni, an ISSTD SRA specialist, was found guilty on multiple public health code violations, including neglecting her patients, with one documented case of allowing her patient to be sex trafficked, she was put on probation but ultimately returned to her work. (X) George Greaves, a past president of the ISSTD had his medical liscenses revoked for engaging in sexual acts with patients, specifically while they were under therapeutic hypnosis, as well as other ethical violations. (X)

Micheal Sulter, former ISSTD chairman in 2023, continued to parrot disproven conspiracy theories such as the McMartin Preschool tunnels, which was disproven decades ago. (conference documentation on multiple accounts) Sulter has also claimed that there is a psyop or similar group run by enemies and ex ISSTD board members. (No link unfortunately, the social media posts were deleted and the only one with them available is the Grey Faction) Even currently, the ISSTD has not moved away from conspiratorial concepts in their presentations and meetings, they continue to mention that occult holidays such as Halloween or Christmas inspire ritual abuse from Satanic Cults. (X) 

The ISSTD has annual conferences, each being either recorded or documented, several of these being notably controversial. In 1988 they aimed to verify cannibalistic satanic cults who participate in human, specifically child, sacrifices, this was investigated and then debunked by the FBI. In 1989 they included talks of real life Manchurian Candidates, a discredited conspiracy theory based on the novel of the same name. All information available was scrutinized by many in the field, especially in the forensic legality of clinical hypnosis considering the heavy use of it by ISSTD practitioners. (X)(X) From 1990 to 1998 ISSTD conference guest panelists had been accused of being Satanists if they portrayed any skepticism towards the connection between DID and SRA; this is documented in several instances. (No link, An Interview with Frank Putnam, Part II." ISSTD News)(X)

The RAMCOA sig was forced to be rebranded in 2020 to the OEA sig due to “stricter rules for the provision of Continuing Education (CE) and Continuing Medical Education (CME) credits” meaning without the rebrand they would have lost the ability to certify their practitioners. This is because their sponsors said they would refuse to approve presentations discussing SRA mind control conspiracies. They have stated that they are trying to overturn this by finding a new sponsor or becoming self certified so that they could continue such presentations. (X. Yes, this has the Grey Factions name on it however it’s from The Satanic Temple simply discussing a letter that was released by the Grey Faction.) The reason they founded the RAMCOA sig in 2008 was to allegedly separate their SRA research and DID research, however the two still remained linked together as shown by Brauns continued connection.

Additions This document is not even going to touch on the antisemitism of the SRA and blood libel conspiracies that go into the term because there would be way too much to talk about.

Many people say things like “It's a good foundation tied to bad people!” which is more so the opposite. The ISSTD is structured and based off of malignant theories that alienated survivors and fictionalized their situations by embellishing it as part of their conspiratorial agenda. It originated from the twisted belief of a satanic cult underground, and that these cannibalistic sacrificers were giving/creating DID. They are the reason that the FMSF exists, it is due to the fact that so many of their practitioners were found guilty of taking advantage of patients to push their conspiracies. The main reason people claim that DID is purely iatrogenic is because the ISSTD used clinical hypnosis as well as other methods like the fear and vulnerability of victims to create crazy explanations and fake memories. The ISSTD is not a good foundation, there are some genuine and well meaning people there, but time and time again they continue to support SRA conspiracies and spread satanic panic. Many people, purposefully or not, continue to share Braun’s dog whistles: if you don’t remember your cult trauma, it’s because it’s hidden from you, if you don’t want to talk about it then it’s a program keeping you from talking, if you have a violent alter it’s because your cult leader introjected a demon in to you, don’t ever research RAMCOA on your own without a professional, because if you do then you might trigger suicide programming- This is satanic panic. 

I think this quote puts it really nicely, “The ISSTD created the term for the idea of RAMCOA. They did not create it to describe your trauma. They created it to describe conspiracy theories.” It was not made for survivors, it was not even based on the experience of survivors, it was manufactured by people who do not fundamentally understand what organized abuse is, and it is solely based on SRA and MKultra conspiracies. Your abuse is real, your experience is real, but RAMCOA is not. When you identify and label yourself with this term, you are contributing to the stigmatization survivors face in the medical field; there is a reason the term RAMCOA is only recognized by the ISSTD, you are contributing to the conspiracy theories ISSTD members continue to spout. All of the ISSTD conspiracy theories have been disproven, and time after time yet they continue to link survivors and DID to them, when this happens people see survivors and DID as also fictitious, especially those who label themselves as RAMCOA. If they say A and B are connected, when A is proven wrong what are people going to think of B? (in this example A being SRA, and B being people having DID.)

No, this is not a conspiracy, I made sure to not include anything in relation to the Grey Faction because so many people on Tumblr say that the ‘real’ conspiracists are the Grey faction because they ‘made all of these claims up’ which really isn’t true and I wanted to show that no, these claims are not just something they made up- they are well documented, most of the documentation being internally done by the ISSTD themselves.

There are better terms to use now, and more fitting frameworks that are actually created to help people like us. We are not a commodity, we are not fictitious, and our disorders are not something to be taken advantage of as proof of conspiracy. No one should be preyed upon by this as many people have been.

Some other recognized terms include:

Organized abuse

Conditioning

Institutional abuse

Cult abuse/trauma/survivor

Trafficking

Religious/spiritual abuse

Psychological abuse

Emotional abuse

Physical abuse

Sexual abuse

Sadistic abuse

Conditioned abuse

A very small other note is that programming is an intense form of conditioning that takes advantage of dissociative barriers induced by trauma. It is not satanic mind control that turns you into a child soldier- you are not a villain, you are not a killer, you are not a demon or angry spirit, you were a kid who did what you needed to in order to survive. Conditioning is not mind control, one day you are going to be free of it : )

I, the writer of this, am a cult survivor and victim of heavy conditioning. You aren't alone, and I promise you that there are people out there who genuinely care and want to help us, the ISSTD and specifically their RAMCOA now OEA sig is just not one of them, to them our abuse is just a spectacle that can be used to support a defunct theory.

 Some more sources can be found below as I can’t remember if I included them earlier:

https://openaccess.city.ac.uk/id/eprint/11871/

https://archive.org/details/satanicpaniccrea00vict

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3574493/The-people-who-believe-that-Satanists-might-eat-your-baby.html

https://archive.org/details/EvidenceAgainstDr.ColinA.RossVol.1

The last small thing I’ll add in case someone brings it up is that yes, some of the ISSTDs research has been helpful, in the exact same way that some of the Grey Factions research as been helpful- it doesn’t erase the bad things they have done and it definitely doesn’t make up for them. If the ISSTD completely bans their use of conspiracies as well as cracks down on clinicians taking advantage of their patients I would be overjoyed, but the fact of the matter is that many who have abused their authority have not been punished for it, or received a slap on the wrist and continue to work there. 

Thank you for taking the time to read this. You are loved, and cared about, and you deserve to heal. 

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The psychiatrist who wrote the criteria for narcissism just made an extremely important point about what’s wrong with diagnosing Trump with mental disorders

Dr. Allen Frances says in speculating about Trump’s mental health, we are doing a disservice to those who do suffer from mental illness. In a series of tweets, he explained why he doesn’t think Trump is a narcissist — and how harmful it can be for us to keep assuming that he is.