#...doesn't helps with that idw cameo-

[mechaseraph]

No, but the more I watch classic Conan the more I go "oh hey yea this is how humans in sonic world should look!". The fact that X seems to had bunch of overlapping staff with cone only points more to it for me. You can put this child next to Sonic and nothing would looks stylistically out of place to me

[murdercide626]

My most wanted characters for Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds

Now that we know the base roster for the game, I've decided to make a list of some characters I'd like to see as possible future DLC.

Nine, Rusty Rose, Knuckles the Dread, Dr. Don't

Since it's already been confirmed we'll be getting characters from Sonic Prime, I'll start with these. I think Nine, Rusty, and Dread are the most likely candidates for this DLC since they were already featured in Sonic Forces Mobile and Dash. Dr. Don't is less likely, but I hope that we get at least one member of the Chaos Council (who isn't Babble or Done-It, lol).

Fang, Bark, Bean, Great Battle Kukku, Witchcart

As a game that aims to include characters from across different continuities/dimensions of the Sonic series, the inclusion of some Classic characters doesn't seem like a stretch, and Fang would be a perfect candidate for such a spot given his recent reappearance in Superstars, and the fact he already has a signature vehicle and has even been in a past racing spinoff. And since we're including Fang, why not Bean and Bark as well? And yeah, Kukku and Witchcart are definitely just wishful thinking on my part, but I can dream! lol

Tangle, Whisper, Surge, Kitsunami, and Dr. Starline

Since we're getting characters from Prime, I'll be genuinely surprised if we don't get some IDW rep too, with Tangle and Whisper definitely being on the top of the list of most likely candidates. Surge seems fairly likely, too. And if we're including Surge, I'd like to see Kit join her. I know Starline has been killed off in the comic, but damn it I want him in the game! lol

Sticks

I know Sonic Boom is dead, but I reeeeaaalllyyy want Sticks in the game! And hearing her being mentioned in Sonic Frontiers gave me hope. lol

Agent Stone

Given the success of the films, and previous cross promotions with the games, I think it's pretty likely we'll get some movie rep in CrossWorlds. Even if it's a long shot, I think it would be really cool if Stone had the honor of being the first original human character from the films to appear in a game!

Sally, Rotor, Bunnie

Now we're getting into the delusional portion of the list. lol

But really, a spinoff game like this would be the perfect opportunity to include these characters, especially with the whole multiverse angle. The reason I'm picking these three specifically is because they technically already appeared in one of the games with their cameo in Spinball, so that might help their chances a bit (sorry, Ant). I'm definitely not expecting their inclusion, but man would I love it!

Other SEGA characters

Alex Kidd, Nights, Amigo, Bayonetta, Ristar, Zobio and Zobiko

It's been said that we'll be getting other Sega characters in the game, similarly to the past Sega All-Stars games, and these are my personal top picks. Bayonetta probably isn't very likely given the more adult nature of her home series, but she was included in two Smash Bros. games, so who knows? Ristar is a character I've always hoped for in these Sega crossover spinoffs, and it'd be great to finally see him get some attention! As for Zobio and Zobiko, I loved their inclusion in the first Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing, and I was sad to see them getting dropped from the sequel. Bring em back!

[team-chaotix-week]

Classic Era are Canon to IDW main series, it's mostly that the classic characters like Mighty, Ray, and the Hooligans that are not present in IDW main series and that the previous 30th anniversary are classic era style. Trip debuted in the classic games and she wasn't seen in the modern version. Since the Chaotix design weren't used in recent Classic era games like Mania and the only classic appearance is the Knuckles Chaotix, it's likely the reason why they use the modern design.

I think the Chaotix modern version is better for the 30th anniversary because they don't have memorable classic design moments besides their debut and I don't think many readers would look back at Knuckles Chaotix and wonder why the Chaotix are design like that. Not to mentioned, it does help see the main trio as detectives in the comic special rather than something from the classic era.

As for who the thief, yeah I forgot about Rouge in the list. Two of the covers have a person with long pointy ears like Rouge. But then I look back at 'Phantom Thief' summary which makes me think it might not be Rouge since she isn't really a Phantom Thief as she doesn't need a disguise. Not to mentioned, being repetitive that she's behind this and wouldn'r work well as a msytery. Would be nice for a plot twist on who's actually behind all this.

Can't wait for the comic...

Very true. It is fun they keep classic canon, but as you say makes sense they're using the modern designs over the classic. Definitely solidifies the 'detective' part.

Honestly though, I kinda hope they at least give Mighty and Ray a cameo or something. Poor guys have been missing forever... (Well, unless we count some of the classic sonic stuff they showed up in somewhat recently)

Okay I'm going to get into crack territory with my next two hypothesises. (These are mostly meant as a joke).

It's actually another bat and Rouge gets framed. We get a scenario similar to shadow and sonic in SA2 (hopefully Amy doesn't confuse the other bat for rouge but so far her track record isn't great). Rouge is all like 'i wouldn't have been that sloppy. I would have avoided that camera. This person is such an amateur'.

Okay, now hear me out. The head shape is giving me fox vibes. The cloak could be hiding a tail. Or... Tails. (Okay I'm kidding. Or am I?)

Can't wait to see who it actually is!

[hikingsuper]

So I was going around Tumblr and I found this

Can we All agree that they can't come back? Like Archie won't ever, EVER, come back BC Penders Also their roles are already fullfilled by one of the game Cast

Yeah that Also includes the Fleetway cast

But Let's analize them, shall we?

You're free to comment and say anything that I may have miss

Commander brutus was a robot made of the strongest metal in the Fleetway Universe to the point that Sonic can't just spindash and destroy him like a mere Badnik, this was Also the only villian that Sonic never defeated since It was Robotnik (Fleetway Eggman) Who actually killed him or Sonic transformes just to Kick his ass and made him run away like a coward (the latter happened First)

Like I said this role more or less was fullfilled by Neo metal Sonic (and the Eggman robots from Sonic manía) so no use for him.

Snively is just a Eggman lackey. That goes without saying. Same goes to Grimmer.

Uncle Chuck Already got a cameo in Sonic IDW but he would never get in a history ever again. His role was a double Spy Which was/is fullfilled by Rouge (SA2)

Antonie was fucking useless, Who wants Antonie back? Not me. I hate him.

Change of topics.

Here some recreations I found of Sally, Bunnie, Tenko and Johnny Lightfoot in Sonic forces so You All get a glimse of how they would look.

Sally

Bunnie (she looks horrible)

Tenko

Johnny Lightfoot. He is the only one Who looks good along with Sally.

(didn't find a Nicole or a Poker Lewis one)

Now getting back to my point.

Nicole was a Ai that lived in a cyber space and can do shields and controls technology.

Hmm that is what Sage already does so no use for her neither. Also her design is sorta yikes.

Johnny Lightfoot was almost an empty slate he was just the voice of reason between him, Sonic and Power Lewis so if he came back they could do anything with him lol

Poker Lewis was just Tails but if he was an individual and not a sidekick but he still gets background+ softy. Doesn't need to say that his role is fullfilled by Tails. He could be perfect for a Tails Adventure since Tails said he wanted to help people to belive in themselves so poker Lewis could fit there 👀

Same could go to Bunnie since she got a horrible experience with her body, begin almost a robot. Yes she kicks ass and had funny accent but aside of that what makes her special when you have Amy Rose? Insecurity that Tails could help her with.

(man I need to make a fic where Tails goes to his own Adventures and meets and helps poker and Bunnie)

Tenko? She was dependant to Amy and Shortfuse (sometimes she would help Sonic but aside of that she was strickly with Amy and/or Shortfuse -except when she had Christmas dinner with Johnny, Tails, Amy and Shortfuse-. Needless to say that Tails already does what she did Also Eggman nega.

[canyoufucksoniccharacters]

Honey The Cat! This is a bit of a niche pick, but I can roll with it. Fun fact about this one, she's only kind of a Sonic character, she's more like a fursona for Honey from Fighting Vipers! In fact, if I remember correctly, the engine for Sonic The Fighters was built off of the one for Fighting Vipers- that being the reason Honey was originally meant to be implemented as a secret character, only to be scrapped, fully functional, until the console re-release, where she was made fully, legitimately playable. All that aside, her origin might help us answer-

Can you fuck Honey The Cat?

Hey, that's our third cat in a row!

First, I must warn that I am not very well versed in Archie content, which is where this character got most of her content. Her game of origin has pretty much no character dialogue whatsoever, and she only gets a few non-speaking cameos in IDW. So, I will mostly be looking around online for potential relevant information.

Let's start with solely Sonic-related information first. We'll look at Fighting Vipers later.

In Archie, apparently she's the founder and CEO of a clothing and accessories company- although considering this is Archie we're talking about, this isn't that particularly good of an indicator of age. This could very much be a Seto Kaiba situation where a character, by simple cartoon/anime logic, is a CEO of a company at an unreasonably young age. Her behavior also leaves very little to be gathered about her age- not particularly childlike, but not exactly all that mature either. From behavior alone, she could be anywhere from a teenager to a young adult.

So, that doesn't exactly help. Let's look at her human counterpart from Fighting Vipers for help!

In Fighting Vipers 1, she's listed as 16 years old- which is... Very, very concerning considering the contents of this game! As both her armor and skirt are breakable. Incredibly creepy behavior from Sega aside, this isn't the only game where she appears; as Fighting Vipers got a sequel! In fact...

Said sequel takes place 2 years after the original game, placing Honey (the human) at 18 years old. Problem solved, right? Well...

There's a bit of a release date problem here.

As you can see here, Fighting Vipers 2 only released after Sonic The Fighters- so, Honey The Cat is based on the 16 year old Honey from Fighting Vipers. If we're to assume that they share the same age, that places Honey firmly at 16 years old at the time of Sonic The Fighters.

Although... We've got to account for the fact that STF is a classic series game. And as of the release of Sonic Origins, the classic series is, in fact, set in the past. No, it's not an alternate/parallel universe, fuck off Ken Pontac.

So, if Honey were to appear in a modern game, logically, she should be an adult- by how much is unclear, but she could easily be around the 20 range.

So, if it's game Honey we're talking about, unless they aged her down for STF, she should, in fact, be fuckable.

As for Archie, though... I'm unsure. The arc she appears in is an adaptation of Sonic The FIghters- the game where she was presumably 16. Again, her position as CEO doesn't exactly change much here, and if she was 16, that'd put her solidly around the same age range as all the other post-SGW characters that aren't outright children. Much like anything Archie-related, it's a mess.

So, with all that considered, from the perspective of both the games and comics-

Can you fuck Honey The Cat?

Well... I'd be cautious. Unless there's confirmation from Ian Flynn or someone else who wrote for her and is a reliable source, and unless she appears in a modern game, it's a bit of a risky endeavor. Sure, we can assume she's 16 during her debut game, a classic series game, but there's no guarantee whatsoever. She could have aged down, they could have just not thought of her age, it's all rather unclear.

So, until we get confirmation one way or the other, which we likely never will considering the nicheness of this character, it's about a 50/50, and a very unlikely chance for Archie, where she actually gets some personality and her own identity.

Verdict;

Proceed at your own discretion.

There's a chance you can fuck her, but there's also a chance she is, in fact, a minor, much like the character she was based on at the time of her creation. Really, there's too little to say for sure. I probably won't judge you if you go for it, but there's also more than enough reason for someone to want to steer clear.

This is possibly our most complicated case thus far!

... Thus far.

[magicwhiskers29]

To get Surge, you just need the IDW comics!!

They're really good throughout, especially the first couple of arcs, so I'd really recommend reading through them all, but if you just want Surge...

She debuts in the four-issue mini-series "Imposter Syndrome" (Set before issue 50, and runs roughly parallel to #45-#49)

She makes her first major appearance in the main comics in Issue 50, but makes minor cameos in the issues leading up to to that. (#45-#49)

She stays a main feature through issues #50-#56

She returns in issue 67, and features prominently in the next arc (#69-current. Current is #74, as of time of writing. #75 is out in mid-December)

Doesn't feature Surge herself, but helps to provide context for a lot of what goes on in Surge's issues:

Issues 5 and 6; setting the baseline for Eggman at the start of the series. Frames a lot of Surge's actions regarding him and Sonic when she's around, later

Issues 11 and 12; I'll admit, 11 is probably a tad confusing on its own, but it follows up on Eggman's storyline, and introduces Dr Starline, who is very important to Surge. 12 is more of an epilogue to the preceding arc, and has a lot of relevant story around Eggman and Starline.

Tangle and Whisper mini-series; explains more about the main characters Tangle and Whisper, as well as introducing the villain Mimic, who Surge will interact with prominently in the current arc.

Issue 13; the introduction of Metal Virus. This is a minor point relevant to Surge's creation. Of course, you could really just read any of the issues featuring Metal Virus to get it (#13-#29, though the saga is #13-#32) This is my current favourite arc in the comics, so I would just really recommend reading it in general.

Issue 25; the issue that defines much of Starline's attitude towards Eggman throughout Imposter Syndrome. This is directly related the eventual creation of Surge.

Bad Guys mini-series; Why does Dr Starline move away from robots and Eggman, to his plan with Surge? All in this mini-series, about what Starline does after the previous arc.

Issues 33-36; introduces the characters of Belle the Tinkerer, and Clutch the Opposum, who feature regularly in the arcs starting at issues 50 and 69 respectively. It's also fairly self-contained, so is an easy set of issues to read on its own. Also catches us back up with Dr Starline.

Issues 37-40; another self-contained set, really, and you could easily just read a summary for relevant information, but has a few very important things, especially for Belle.

Issues 45-49; as I eluded to earlier, though Surge isn't directly featured here, these happen as a result of her, and once more catch us up with Belle.

I feel like a lot of this ended up just being "you need most of the comics", but I've listed everything in order, so I hope that at least helps! :)

I don't know who the hell Surge is, but I love her.

[thankskenpenders]

So, interesting news I'm sure someone has already asked about but I'll mention it anyway. Apparently an insider at Sega just confirmed that while Wild Brain owns the rights to Satam, Sega of America actually DOES have the rights to the characters created for it including Sally and the other Freedom Fighters, and by proxy their original Archie incarnations too, while Archie owns the reboot versions (Their designs specifically). SOA doesn't have plans for them, but they CAN use them in stuff.

So yeah, this is the gist of it, but here’s the full message from someone at Sega of Europe’s licensing department. This confirms what’s been widely speculated for a long time

Basically, the Freedom Fighters could still be used in new Sonic media, if Sega allowed it. It’s just their post-reboot designs that are off limits for whatever reason. But if they were to come back with older designs (or, more likely, brand new ones), it’d be fair game

The big hurdle, as always, is getting Sega’s permission. Sega as a corporation doesn’t care about these characters or consider them an important part of the Sonic brand, and I wouldn’t be surprised if all the drama at Archie had soured their opinion on the Freedom Fighters in recent years. And while we might care about them, they’re still somewhat obscure compared to the cast of the games (especially in other parts of the world that didn’t get SatAM or the Archie comics). I definitely would not expect Sally or Bunnie to appear in any of the games, aside from maybe a cameo in the mobile games like what Tangle and Whisper got if they’re feeling extremely generous

But the comic crew has been pushing for the Freedom Fighters to appear in some form in the IDW comics this whole time. And I still think there’s a small chance that’ll happen someday, given how important the characters are to the history of the comics. I’m not expecting it to happen anytime soon, but if we’re really lucky then maybe in five years IDW’s Sonic will meet a new incarnation of the team, and they’ll join the supporting cast as another allied team like the Chaotix that gets to help out every now and then. (They are definitely not going to come back and usurp Tangle and Whisper’s roles as IDW’s flagship heroes, that’s for sure. Nor would I want that.) Or maybe they’ll let Ian do a Classic Sonic miniseries featuring the Knothole crew. Or something like that. I dunno. It’s still a long shot, and I’m not holding my breath, but it’s not impossible

[love-killed-the-superstar]

Yeah... I'm not sure how I'm going to feel about BTTS to be honest. Although iirc Serling comes back with them, so thank god he'll be there to help me through that last difficult season. I could have done without most of s5. My favourite episode was Membership Drive because it was great seeing Nano get a happy ending and Mikey and Leo do another superhero team up with the Justice Force. The fact that it was the only episode NOT focused on the demon subplot...

Good point about Sh'okonabo - at least no one will ever call this guy original. Everything he does has been done more effectively by other villains in past seasons. I liked some of Laird's ideas for what they could have done with him, but ultimately it seems like he wasn't too happy with this guy either lol. Besides all the gross-out humour in that episode, I did find the evil goo episode fun, but oh my GODD the ending made the entire thing feel completely pointless.

Raph needs a hug, Mikey needs some antidepressants, and Leo needs his personality back. Don is the one thriving for once, and he has already been through so much, I won't take that away from him.

All the FF notes I've read from Laird's blog have been about TT2 so I haven't seen this Cody rant yet but omg I'm excited for it because it's a relief to know that everyone working on FF wasn't oblivious to how much he fucked the turtles over???? Sometimes I feel like I'm going crazy when watching.

"It would make Cody look bad" GOOD!!!! GOD FORBID THE NEPO BABY HAS TO ANSWER TO HIS MISTAKE THAT HAS COMPLETELY UPROOTED THEIR LIVES, RIGHT???? They say never meet your heroes but how about never meet your fans??? These turtles didn't ask to be hero-worshipped, dumped 100 years in the future with no easy way home, and then forced to live with the person who got them into this mess. It would have been SUPER CATHARTIC to let Raph (or honestly, any of them) tear him a new one. I've been manifesting it in my rewatch and it just never happens!! The one thing that consoles me is knowing that when they returned to the present they left Cody in 2105 without Serling and with every single enemy they didn't manage to defeat because they were saving them for season 2. He is going to be so screwed and I'm living for it.

OH IF YOU DO I AM GOING TO EAT THIS UP. In fact please let me cameo in it. I'll help you Mr Dunn. Together we can end Scrappy Jones once and for all.

(Fun fact that isn't really relevant but I wasn't sure where else to put - Darius, Jammerhead and the Street Phantoms show up in the IDW comics! I haven't read to that point yet, so I can't say if they're anywhere near as cartoonish as they are in FF or if it gave them all a more grounded take. But it fascinated me when I found out that they exist outside of FF, especially Darius without Cody. I'm curious to find out what they did with him when I eventually get there lol. I'm relieved that they left Sh'Okonabo where he belongs, dead and buried.)

I think... highly controversial opinion here... I would have taken a second season of FF over BTTS, just because I feel like the cyber Shredder plot is bullshit, Serling doesn't deserve to get stuck 100 years in the past forever, and there were some fun concepts that I wish they'd explored. In my ideal version of FF2 maybe they realised FF1 fell short in a lot of ways and got their shit together and made a good fucking season as compensation, but I guess we'll never know if they would have improved it or not. If it was the same quality as FF1 I'd be annoyed but I'd probably still watch it. I'm dreading watching BTTS. Zell made me watch that webisode and I still have nightmares about it.

I'd end FF2 with the turtles and splinter returning home (without serling because my man has been through enough) through a time portal, only to find that all of their friends have been awaiting their return (maybe ancient one got a vision or smth) in a surprise party. they get embraced by everyone they have helped and loved along the way, and they sigh and say "it's good to be home". like the wedding but with way less awkwardness to it, and ofc I would give Leo and Usagi their much-desired reunion. Oh, and Klunk gets to be there, because I miss him so much in FF. Cody if you don't include a Klunk memorial shrine in your creepy little turtle museum I swear...

Turtle Titan 2 my beloved!!!!!! The fact that Laird wanted him to be a much bigger character in FF2 makes me so happy. He's one of the few characters/storylines I really, really like from FF, not just for who he is as a person but what he represents - that Mikey's compassion and sense of justice made a difference that has impact 100 years later. But ah well, if FF didn't want to use him more, their loss. He's mine now and I'm going to mold him like clay.

This........... actually never dawned on me until you pointed it out. Holy shit? You're right. Where are all the humans?!?!? My best explanation is maybe NNY is like a 'hub' for alien life on Earth compared to other major cities and countries, and that's why there's a higher alien-to-human ratio. I feel like the street phantoms are human, just using some sort of device that makes them ghostly?? But I could be wrong, I was NOT paying attention lol.

O'Neill Tech controlling so much of NNY is wild, because when you have one company running everything, that is HUGELY RISKY. It also feels like even if Darius wasn't actively trying to murder his nephew to gain control over the business, it's still operating under shady circumstances. Like do we really think April and Don would have wanted this cyberpunk hold on NNY? Personally I don't. I have to wonder if Cody's parents were even shadier than Darius is.

Cody is kept inside for ethical reasons. Darius is protecting the world from Cody, not the other way around.

I've wondered about the rest of the building!!!! Accommodation for O'Neill Tech employees maybe? Or maybe it's informally known as Nepo Baby Buildings to the locals.

My opinion on Serling completely changed once I realised what a NIGHTMARE he was up against. The fact that Splinter was actively participating in creating the mess and making jokes like "no it's not terrible that we trashed your home, it's terrible that my sons didn't catch the plate I just threw at the wall" is INSANE TO ME. WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?!!!! YOU'RE NOT THE HAMATOS I KNOW AND LOVE!!!!!! Serling is the only one calling them out for their obnoxious bullshit so he's where my solidarity lies now.

I actually love the idea that they're doing this to be passive-aggressive. I choose to believe that from now on.

Lastly - yes, what the hell happened to Leo's personality, did it get banished with the demon shredder? You're seriously telling me he wouldn't take this opportunity to take a night class on 16th Century Japanese Swordsmanship now that he is free to walk the streets? He wouldn't still patrol the rooftops for trouble because that's all they've known for so long? He wouldn't dig into what happened to the foot clan in the future, just in case things got bad again?

The shell thing could have had its own episode tbh. Picture this - medical technology has come a long way and during a routine physical for the turtles Cody repairs Leo's shell without even thinking to ask him first. It leads to an unexpected blow-up because even though what happened to him was terrible, having that scar taken from him without permission crossed a line and leads into a big 'this is what I hate about the future, and this is exactly the selfishness that made you strand us here' rant that blindsides everyone. Even Master Splinter doesn't understand. Leo flees and the guys go after him - some drama ensues - he is eventually found after idk fighting the street phantoms or something. Cody realises how much he's hurt Leo and apologises. Leo doesn't even understand himself why he's not happy at his shell being repaired, but it feels like another part of his story has been lost to time now, sanitised and stripped away from him. You have to take the bitter with the sweet.

By the end of the episode Leo makes peace with it but idk, maybe Cody learns to stay in his own fucking lane in future or something.

@love-killed-the-superstar​ I hope you don’t mind but this particular part of your recent liveblog just… really sparked something in my brain that I need to get out, re: Fast Forward, and it’s this repeating theme of FF rehashing a plot point from S1-4 but worse. Like the turtles version of a live action Disney reboot.

This turned into a massive rant, oops, more under the cut. Clearly, I have a lot of feelings about this.

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