#2p0 shut up challenge.

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It’s funny to me that 2p0 (and most of fandom tbh) takes Jensen’s "I guess I could see interpreting it like that” re: platonic Destiel as a conformation of platonic Destiel - imo it’s the opposite. When actors on other shows are asked if it’s fair to interpret their character and another character as being gay and in love, they get torn apart for saying things like "I guess I could see interpreting it like that”, aka a polite “no I don’t really think of it that way but you can continue to have the space to ship that if you want”. Essentially, I feel like Jensen is trying to politely disagree with a platonic interpretation, but because fandom operates in bad faith they automatically assume he agrees Destiel is platonic, when in every other circumstance those words would have been understood to be in disagreement with the original question asked.

Yeah like. if you actually look at the quote and understand how human beings communicate, rather than try to devil's advocate an agenda through it without understanding social codes and whatnot the way 2po does, it's incredibly telling. I GUESS YOU COULD. That itself is implicit "I don't, but you can!" but that just whistled over his head like the jackshit idiot he is, and he figures if he narrates over it loud enough and attaches enough manipulative anchor text, his spin of it becomes a reality, and that's just not how the world works, not how people work, not how communication works, it's just.

Same way 2po and a large quarter of fandom went selectively deaf/dumb/blind about what Jensen said on stage, when he kept asking "That moment? Specifically that moment? Because I have two answers, one in that moment, where I would have X, [fandom stops listening at this exact point] in that specific moment. and then another one on the next shot. [jensen never clarifies]" (cut for length)

These people don't care what these other human beings are actually communicating. They care about how they can exploit it into an agenda. And, unfortunately, the other show operating in a manipulated bubble for 15 years gave them the impression they can do this infinitely, rather than a show that was designed to sprint for the goal so hard Robbie and Jensen got told to calm the fuck down. It's a 13 episode run, not 15 years, dude, you guys can't spin this forever.

Hell. Look at how he tried to spin "HAHA PEOPLE ARE WRONG ITS HEAVEN" when like. Yeah we know, dipthong. I've been reblogging my heaven meta this was designed on all year, but most specifically in the last 2 weeks, but somehow you missed that and thought I said purgatory because you can't track the way mental planes work in this fuckin' show for shit.

Or him assuming I said Destiel would happen every year, which is the opposite, while I took years of harassment from hellers for trying to tell people to respect Berens efforts (which 2po denied, and got hellers attacking Berens during) even knowing we probably would never see full resolution, that he was trying, hence the market testing (which 2po denied). Then suddenly at a very specific SDCC 2po was oblivious to the events of (proven by his getting hysterical about robobo memes, not realizing we already knew about his real boyfriend who visited the private panel with him), I suddenly changed my fucking tune to "berens is running the ball, we're getting at least an ILU, he's streaking naked across the field until security tackles him. With the right roll of the dice we can do anything." which 2po denied. Then Berens wrote it verbatim. Then he ran the ball. Then ILU. Then we got the wrong roll of the dice and covid boned us from four angles, and security did indeed tackle the naked berens running the ball.

Then a year later you all found out it was the first thing they wrote on the season and thus most of the plot orbited around it and it was berens' prime goal and, per him, his entire reason to stay. Which really just. Bundles alllll of 2po's denials before that together into a comical ball that just got double tapped straight through. GEE. I WONDER WHY I CHANGED MY TUNE JUST BEFORE SEASON 15. ITS A MYSTERY, BRAIN.

Which is when we got the butchered omitted finale (which 2po denied, and paid 5k of other people's money to be wrong on) which removed the roadhouse reunions and more (which 2po denied until Dabb tweeted it), and so on.

People like 2po, and the segments of fandom that listen to his consecutively wrong, made up, quantum tunnel of just-as-badly twice-interpreted M&Gs, just say/hear what they want to hear. They will aggressively rekit dialogues, erase context, delete basic realities, or just outright plug their ears and act like either they didn't hear it or they don't understand basic social codes. It's one or the other, and whichever it is, it's never going to make them a reliable leaker or speccer. Because you're not listening to what's actually being said or happening, you're taking one puzzle piece and trying to cram it in the wrong hole to make the picture you want it to make, rather than the picture it's painting.

Gee isn't it funny that Jensen magically had a second new opinion in the exact shot I've been telling everyone he broke and fell into the trashcan during since Dec 2020, along which the can't move on, let go, and other prequel, johnmary, show structure & morals and destiel leaks started flowing. Gee I wonder what that means brain.

like bro one of us had friends design an unofficial panel berens showed up to and took notes from before spilling all the season 15 tea and asking for me by name. The other person has been screaming wrongly into tumblr aggressively for about 5 years. And hoping everyone forgets the fails. SPOT the FUCKING DIFFERENCE.

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can't believe 2p0 "spoiled" the it being about learning from your parents (well known) for ep 2 while still mutually trying to imply this isn't about dean learning from his parents as a story.

jesus christ the herpaderp is strong. pick a fucking narrative. what is the show about, 2p0. you scream in a carousel what it isn't about until it is and then suddenly it isn't. pick a fucking lane.

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Is it weird I'm getting a little... concerned? for 2po? And anyone desperate enough to still listen to 2po? Whether they be desperate antis, or old bitters clinging wanting to still feel vindicated.

I've just been stacking the things 2po just... was wrong about. And I don't even mean shit like him, gayle, and suzanne being busted lying about meet and greet contents.

Just off the top of my head, 2po takes and lies he brushed under the rug:

The market testing wasn't real

Berens never planned Destiel

Until he did, but only after refusing to accept it all S15

There was never a roadhouse ending

Nothing was omitted

spent 5K (of other people's $) to prove himself wrong about that

The finale was fine and jensen had no issues with it so wouldn't do any of the following stuff below

CW wasn't gonna get sold

CW was gonna turn into 60 year olds to save Walker.

Jensen didn't have executive authority from Zaslav and Roth

18-49 isn't real, 18-49 can't hurt him

he thinks ratings are different from ad view clocking? For reasons

and also ads don't matter for some reason

18-49 won't happen because some exec likes a show

Even though CW's top execs said so. He knows better

it's totes okay for Walker to be the only sub-0.1 8PM scripted show, for reasons (SUBSTANTIALLY SO!!!!)

He thought Winchesters would premiere under Walker/Windy both

He thought Walker and Windy would be the #1 and #2 shows (instead of last in each of their timeslots)

The pilot script was fake, his sources said so!!

The show wouldn't be about dean learning from his parents

the show wouldn't be about letting go of the past and moving on

The show wouldn't be about facing your inner monsters

The show wouldn't be about being unafraid of new selves/futures

The show wouldn't have the confession structured into it

the show wouldn't be about speaking while you have the chance

Am I missing any?

Things he thinks he has on me:

He got confused by a French Rugaru bc allergic to silver like the Australian Wendigo, french regional dialect fucked him up? If he wants I'll give him a cookie to feel better even if it's dumb af?

imagined points i said to find something he thinks he can argue

Even the crew that didn't realize how bad the finale was fucked, not even locking in its licensing till the week before air, they're all faker than 2po, 2po knows all. How dare they be surprised it was that bad. The only truth is 2po's truth.

Calls me a grifter for giving all scripts I find for free??? While having people BUY him scripts to MAIL to him on THEIR dime and not 2po's own? Bc that makes fucking sense. Almost like my free scripts get in the way of his grifting for free shit from this fandom. Fandom didn't learn when he wasted their first 5K so they let him double down at their expense and his material gain.

I got a couple days off track on filming for a few weeks? And then fixed it? Bc I have about 250 MB data on all of this I'm juggling?

Things he thinks the show IS after all the screaming it ISN'T:

Dunno. He refuses to say. Or bet. john/mary stabbing stuff maybe

Bruh. Catch the fucking hint.

what the fuck are you gonna DO when not only episode 13 gets here, but Walker gets cancelled?

no seriously. these antis or whatever they are. dug their hole so deep. So many are parasocialized. IDs attached. some of these folks may be legit self risks at this rate, nobody that's psychologically stable and in contact with reality digs this deep even while CWWin official is shitting destiel parallels and clown nose retweets all across their feed

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maybe we should just make a gallery blog of 2p0 loudmouth claims or arguments that aged badly.

tonight, "the cw isnt struggling and is fine and isnt being sold dont listen to "the grifter!" or "the cult!" or whatever shrill ass sound he manages to piss out

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i love that, even after very specific things, in very clear dialogue, have been published, all 2p0 can claim is "nuh uh he said opposite" and "j2 love, the cockles panel was all j2 love, i swear." like. the dude has said nothing else. no more fucking specifics.

this is the dude that lives week to week purely on the clout of M&G whispers, dropping supposed specifics, and then interpreting them. it's his entire fucking schtick, M&G leaks. And suddenly he can't explain what the fuck was said in this one?

He's right. Absolutely NOBODY I knew was in that room or broke an NDA! But unfortunately for Gayle, Miami and her are. pretty known to hang out.

so while creation is informed of a threat so well known during the con that people memed it live time during her photo ops and edited her out for upside down jack handholding that could be shown with a timestamp as dark humor, then, well, you're all going to have a very bad time.

Yeah. You're real proud of your M&G info. Until specifically this con.

Really weird how that works.

sure didn't have anyone in the room, but ask jenmish about that 4-5 times thing and subconscious thing. Cuz the people who leaked that are responsible of 2p0's entire blog of leaks AND the on site threat resulting during the con, as well as people hearing about the M&G contents on site.

HOPE THIS HELPS!!! :)

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2po reblogging a "everybody parasocializes but me" post is like. peak humor

dude's entire blog is screaming in denial to argue and twist what jensen says on stage to fit his agenda and lying about a quantum meet and greet self referential source in his head that says what he wants; this internal mental M&G world of his ignores Jensen's company structure, business decisions, marketing choices, the show message itself, the public socials, the scripts both public and private... but he sure doesn't parasocialize, no sir. It's everyone else that is.

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LMAO SOBBING. MY OWN BLOG SAID OPPOSITE WHAT 2pO CLAIMED. MY WHOLE SERVER IS ASKING WHAT THE FUCK HE'S TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S OPPOSITE WHAT I SAID.

NOW I'VE GOT DMS

SDJFHSDJFHSDJFHJSDFH CATCH A CLUE 2PO, YOU CAN'T LIE YOUR WAY THROUGH THIS ANYMORE.

YOU. LOST.

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Catch a fucking clue 2po, there's a pattern in your screeching of denial while you say "look at track records". Here's what you've denied.

spare the drama of making up shit i said that is actually opposite what I said (x) and just cope dude.

Real bold of you to tell people to check track records when you spent 5,000 to prove yourself wrong when you denied omissions. YOU WANNA BET AGAIN BUDDY? I KEEP ASKING.

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i see 2p0 is suddenly pretending to be a ratings master six years behind, and he probably looks smart to the idiots that don't know any better than he does but bro you are fucking up reading those cards so hard.

"men dropped BEFORE the pilot" are you fucking high, it just means the show appeals to women more, it can't drop before the pilot. Women's 18-49 is the primetime demo. It takes 2 heads to make one male for the same demo, because more women watch primetime TV, so their ads are worth twice as much

This isn't rocket science patrick. we lost 3 of the top 50 markets. We have a diverse demographic. AA isn't impacted because the black sports demo isn't in those cities Kung Fu isn't heavily effected because it isn't the asian american centers either.

The show was always going to decline about 100K from viewership loss post premiere and probably about 0.02 demo. what you're making confused unga bunga noises about is "why when 5 million homes no can watch CW we lose 100k people? THINKING IS HARD."

stop trying to be me, you goddamn blowhard.

no seriously are you just now realizing that male and female demos both have different listings and values??? in late 2022??? as ratings almost go obsolete?

do you fucking think all the shows start all demos at 1.0 or something???? like everyone gets given a default line they fall from? That's not how this works dude. how are you not embarrassed to tweet "the demo fell BEFORE the pilot" full chested you utter slack jawed moron

and you're gonna sit there pretending to know what the fuck you're looking at with the loupgarou/rougarou mess or the entire "you denying everything this show has proven to be". You just wanna talk loud and pretend you can be me.

i KNOW you think you can just walk in and go "oh numbers i can do that" but yet again you are so over your head about what demos are, how they work, what they mean or indicate, things like demographic and population spreads, outtage impacts, skew, plus, timeslots, major markets and everything that influences this shit while you poke the charts and go "HM WHY NUMBER GO DOWN"

that's what your whole mess is. wanting so damn bad to be me. they say mimicry is the best form of flattery but damn you suck at it dude. Whether that be you denying the script or what the winchesters would be about, to being unga bunga confused on what's really basic math but you don't understand 90% of the equation.

what the fuck are you going to DO when walker's numbers also go down tonight from this (less, since you'll have cincinatti, but the other 2), and by next week nexstar fixes it, and we jump up? You realize this shit is real, right? Like it's happening, and time moves forward, so now while you hide running your mouth on the winchesters cuz you realize you failed out there, you're trying to do it about ratings but dude. Next week is a week away. you're T'ing yourself up to fail AGAIN

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Hm. Curious. So 2p0 can't react to:

NYCC, because of a death in a family that lasted about 3 hours before he was shitposting again and never touched it

Episodes ever since he blew his foot off saying the episode was about what he argued against this shit being about

Rainbow Dean Marketing and official TPTB deancas engagement

the M&G beyond "everybody missing jared" (lmao) when it was a mountain of cockles and heller content even tho this guy prides himself on posing for M&G info

Self-proving he was wrong/lying for 8 months about the pilot.

Jensen's own statements (in a realistic manner that takes into full account what he said that proved what I said for 2 years down to the moment/shot/frame)

My direct callouts of his honestly dozens of dialogue and narrative shifts for the last 2 years while still standing at my original declaration marker from before the Deadline leak. he's still here trying to attach arbitrary and momentary opinions to anything in the moment on his screen still.

but he sure can rile up rumors to blame hellers for shit, and insist because people are talking about it, it must be true, which just about sums up his idea of intel.

THIS is who you're working with, wigglebox?

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yall haters corny with that illuminati mess