#3x22 the savage curtain

[spockeveryday]

[tprings-hair]

I'm sorry I just cannot believe that 3x22 the savage curtain introduced the dilemma of spock having to choose between following the actual personification of vulcan history and philosophy, or kirk, and then resolved it so quickly that it was barely even a source of stress for either of them. the answer was kirk, btw. in case that wasn't obvious.

SURAK: I will not harm others, Captain.

SPOCK: His convictions are most profound in this matter, Captain.

KIRK: So are mine, Spock. If I believed that there was a peaceful way out of this --

SURAK: The risk will be mine alone. If I fail, you lose nothing. After all, I'm no warrior.

SPOCK: The captain knows that I have fought at his side before and will do so now, if need be. However, I too, am a Vulcan, bred to peace. Let him attempt it.

spock is saying, let him do as he sees fit. let him follow his own principles. and let me stay by your side. kirk tells him to gather weapons in case surak fails, and spock does. he is casting aside the philosophy he was raised with in favour of war, and he's doing it for kirk.

KIRK: Your Surak is a brave man.

SPOCK: Men of peace usually are, Captain. On Vulcan, he is revered as the father of our civilisation. The father image holds much meaning for us.

KIRK: You show emotion, Spock.

SPOCK: I deeply respect what he has accomplished.

KIRK: I hope he accomplishes something here, and soon.

kirk is complimenting surak, and I do think he genuinely means it, but the way he says it comes off like an apology. like he knows what spock just let go of for him, and he wants to make sure spock is okay.

spock says, men of peace, and he is not counting himself as one of them. I think that's what makes kirk look up like that. throughout the show, he does use violence, but outside extreme situations he does it sparingly and elegantly -- the nerve pinch, the simple side step of a punch -- and usually advocates for a more peaceful solution. now, he's admitting how he has changed. he values peace. but he can't call himself an instrument of it.

and now he's comparing surak to a father image. christian implications aside (and that is difficult with star trek sometimes), he is standing beside kirk in spite of surak's and his own vulcan father's teachings, too. he sharpens his spear and looks frustrated with himself. he shows emotion. and he doesn't deny it, either! he says sincerely that he respects surak's accomplishments, and kirk stares at him, because that's more emotion than he generally cares to show, especially after it's pointed out to him. (early in the episode, surak points out his emotion on seeing him, and spock begs forgiveness. he is no longer looking for that from surak. spock has made his choice.)

he's angry at himself. and as a peace offering, kirk says he hopes surak has managed to broker peace here and now. even though you can tell from his tone and the fact that he's still making his own weapon that he isn't optimistic.

(and all of this is putting aside the fact that surak is definitely a jesus figure and spock rejecting his philosophy and forgiveness for an imperfect man is another kind of huge character choice. this has to be pointed out.)

idk how they managed to air this in the 60s. but I'm very glad they did.

[skybson]

3x22 - The Savage Curtain

[groovy-lady]

Spooooock!!!!!

[casadefreewill]

This show is rediculous

I just kind of let it run on Netflix while I draw Season 3 Episode 22 - The Savage Curtain

[frogayyyy]

TOS Episodes in stardate order:

I finally finished my rewatch and thought this might be useful for ff writers or just anyone interested

(this is using the Netflix episode order and the star date which was mentioned first in the episode)

1x04 Where No Man Has Gone Before 1312.4

1x07 Mudd's Women 1329.8

1x02 The Man Trap 1513.1

1x11 The Corbomite Maneuver 1514

1x03 Charlie X 1533.7

1x06 The Enemy Within 1672.1

1x05 The Naked Time 1704.2

1x18 The Squire of Gothos 2124.5

1x08 What Are Little Girls Made Of? 2712.4

1x09 Miri 2713.5

1x10 Dagger of the Mind 2715.1

1x14 The Conscience of the King 2817.6

1x17 The Galileo Seven 2821.5

1x21 Court Martial 2947.3

1x12 The Menagerie Part 1 3012.6

1x13 The Menagerie Part 2 3013.1

2x07 Catspaw 3018.2

1x16 Shore Leave 3025.3

1x19 Arena 3045.6

1x28 The Alternative Factor 3087.6

1x20 Tomorrow is Yesterday 3113.2

1x23 Space Seed 3141.9

1x22 The Return of the Archons 3156.2

1x24 A Taste of Armageddon 3192.1

1x26 The Devil in the Dark 3196.1

1x27 Errand of Mercy 3198.4

2x16 The Gamesters of Triskelion 3211.7

2x09 Metamorphosis 3219.8

1x30 Operation: Annihilate! 3287.2

2x01 Amok Time 3372.7

2x02 Who Mourns for Adonais? 3468.1

2x12 The Deadly Years 3478.2

2x11 Friday's Child 3497.2

2x14 Wolf in the Fold 3614.9

2x13 Obsession 3619.2

2x05 The Apple 3715.3

2x10 Journey to Babel 3842.3

2x25 Bread and Circuses 4040.7

2x19 A Private Little War 4211.4

2x18 The Immunity Syndrome 4307.1

3x13 Elaan of Troyius 4372.5

3x06 Spectre of the Gun 4385.3

2x08 I, Mudd 4513.3

2x15 The Trouble with Tribbles 4523.3

2x22 By Any Other Name 4657.5

2x24 The Ultimate Computer 4729.4

2x20 Return to Tomorrow 4768.3

3x03 The Paradise Syndrome 4842.6

3x02 The Enterprise Incident 5027.3

3x04 And the Children Shall Lead 5029.5

3x12 The Empath 5121.5

3x16 The Mark of Gideon 5423.4

3x01 Spock's Brain 5431.4

3x08 For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky 5476.3

3x05 Is There In Truth No Beauty? 5630.7

3x09 The Tholian Web 5693.2

3x11 Wink of an Eye 5710.5

3x14 Whom Gods Destroy 5718.3

3x18 The Lights of Zetar 5725.3

3x15 Let That Be Your Last Battlefield 5730.2

3x10 Plato's Stepchildren 5784.2

3x21 The Cloud Minders 5818.4

3x20 The Way to Eden 5832.3

3x19 Requiem for Methuselah 5843.7

3x22 The Savage Curtain 5906.4

3x24 Turnabout Intruder 5928.5

3x23 All Our Yesterdays 5943.7

No Stardate:

1x01 Pilot: The Cage

1x15 Balance of Terror

1x25 This Side of Paradise

1x29 The City on the Edge of Forever

2x03 The Changeling

2x04 Mirror, Mirror

2x06 The Doomsday Machine

2x17 A Piece of the Action

2x21 Patterns of Force

2x23 The Omega Glory

2x26 Assignment: Earth

3x07 Day of the Dove

3x17 That Which Survives

[sporkandpringles]

Sometimes I hear people say the dumbest shit about Vulcan logic. Like every now and then someone tries to tell me that it’s a bad idea, and actually Vulcans should just embrace their emotions. (Nevermind the fact that multiple episodes like ENT 4x07-09, ENT 1x17 “Fusion”, TOS 2x05 “Amok Time”, TOS 3x22 “The Savage Curtain,” VOY 2x16 “Meld” VOY 5x13 “Gravity” and a whole host of others explain why that would be a bad idea, because Vulcans without logic are violent as hell). So here’s your periodic reminder that I actually think Vulcan logic is good, and Surak is awesome.

[kinetic-elaboration]

TOS REWATCH 2020-2022: SEASON THREE

(reaction post masterlist)

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3x01: Spock’s Brain

3x02: The Enterprise Incident

3x03: The Paradise Syndrome

3x04: And the Children Shall Lead (bonus thoughts)

3x05: Is There In Truth No Beauty?

3x06: Spectre of the Gun

3x07: Day of the Dove

3x08: For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky

3x09: The Tholian Web

3x10: Plato’s Stepchildren

3x11: Wink of an Eye

3x12: The Empath

3x13: Elaan of Troyius

3x14: Whom Gods Destroy

3x15: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (discussion thoughts)

3x16: The Mark of Gideon

3x17: That Which Survives

3x18: The Lights of Zetar

3x19: Requiem for Methuselah

3x20: The Way to Eden

3x21: The Cloud Minders

3x22: The Savage Curtain

3x23: All Our Yesterdays

3x24: Turnabout Intruder

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