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goodqueenaly · 20 days

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Hello Good Queen Alysanne, I have a question about Jorah Mormont and Lynesse Hightower. Was the marriage doomed from the start? Was there anything they could do to make it work (e.g. Jorah temper her expectations about the Bear Island)? I remember Catelyn said something along the line of she was unprepared for a life in the North, but eventually adapted to it.

Here’s the thing, though: we’re talking about a marriage not just between two very different people from two extremely difficult cultural backgrounds, but one which had not even been on the radar for either until maybe a week or so before it took place - and that I think is being generous with the timeline. Catelyn and Ned had certainly not known each other, in any deeply personal way, before their wedding, and each had certainly grown up (though perhaps somewhat less so, for the Jon Arryn-raised Ned) in a family and a society very different the other’s, but Catelyn had been taught from a young age to be the dutiful inheritor of her father’s political designs - and from the age of 12, had understood that duty meant eventually marrying the heir to Winterfell, becoming its lady, and continuing the Stark dynasty. Likewise, while Ned had never expected to become Lord of Winterfell or marry his brother’s fiancée, he had certainly understood the wartime necessity of taking Catelyn as his bride and preserving the rebellion’s alliances via marriage. This is not to say, of course, that Catelyn immediately adapted to being Ned’s wife and that she never experienced any struggles during her marriage; it took her time to “[find] the good sweet heart beneath Ned's solemn face”, and some aspects of life in the North always remained foreign to her - the godswood sacred to Ned’s faith, or the (ostensibly) bastard son whose origins Ned angrily refused to detail . Nevertheless, I think it’s fair to say Ned and Catelyn’s marriage succeeded, at least in part, because Catelyn came into the marriage understanding the politico-dynastic duty impressed on her for a large chunk of her pre-marital life by her father, because Ned too understood and accepted the the duty he had to marry her during the Rebellion, and because both Ned and Catelyn spent years developing passion and devotion toward one another, alongside that duty.

By contrast, what could even be said of Jorah’s and Lynesse’s respective expectations going into their wedding and marriage? Jorah very explicitly had only married Lynesse because he “could not take [his] eyes off her”at the joust, purely acting on his physical attraction to her. Lynesse, for her part, had no reason to have known who Jorah even was, except perhaps on the most general level, ahead of and even during the tourney: if she was pleased to accept the favor of a hero of the recent war, a lord in his own right and a bannerman of the victorious king’s closest friend, she likely had as little knowledge of Jorah personally as he did her. Compounding that is, as I mentioned, the incredibly short timeframe of their marriage: Jorah asked for Lynesse’s hand immediately after winning the joust, and they married while Jorah was still in Lannisport for the tourney, meaning that they were going to the altar having been quite literally complete strangers at most a week, if not a few days, before the wedding. Even if Jorah and/or Lynesse had wanted to get to know each other as marriage partners before their wedding day - and Jorah certainly doesn’t seem to have been interested, in any event - there was simply no time to do so: before either, but especially Lynesse, may have realized the full implications of what to come, Lord Leyton had already signed away his youngest daughter’s future to Jorah.

In Lannisport, in those bare handful of days, it may have been easy for Jorah, and perhaps Lynesse as well, to imagine their future as one of sunshine and roses. Literally riding high on his very recent and illustrious knighthood and his unstoppable victories during the joust, in the warmth and wealth of the oldest and southernmost city in Westeros, Jorah may have thought that the realities of Bear Island life seemed physically and culturally very far away. Lynesse, still just a teenager and one who, as the youngest of a large and wealthy family, had likely lived a pretty sheltered life, may have seen Jorah as no more and no less than what he appeared as before her - a spectacularly talented tourney knight and war hero, a lord in his own right who could make her a lady of her own castle and House, as her sisters Leyla and Denyse were not. (Let’s never forget the creepiness of Jorah being almost two decades older than Lynesse.) The deliberately fantastic environment of what for lack of a better term we have to call their courtship and engagement - even for the most high-ranking Westerosi aristocrats, life is usually not feasts and tourneys 24/7 - only heightened the lack of reality at the foundation of their marriage; their entire experience of one another had been defined by a purposefully temporary world of pleasure which could never have been sustained.

Consequently, I think both Jorah and Lynesse experienced, on their return to Bear Island, disillusionment so profound that there was no making the marriage work. Jorah tells Dany that Lynesse resented that Bear Island was “too cold, too damp, too far away”, that the Mormonts “had no masques, no mummer shows, no balls or fairs”, and that the Mormont “cook knew little beyond his roasts and stews”, but I think these complaints reflect a more fundamental alienation Lynesse was feeling in her new role. Bear Island wasn’t just different from Oldtown; it was a world whose entire life and existence could not be compared to that of Lynesse’s native city. Her faith, her experience with Oldtown’s intellectual and artistic culture and the Reach’s tradition of chivalry, her training as a southron lady - none of that had any place on Bear Island. She was, as Jorah’s aunt and cousins may have reminded her (or commented in her hearing), the lady Jorah “won … in a tourney”, a lady whose “soft hands were never made for axes … nor her teats for giving suck” - in other words, a failure compared to the Mormont ideal lady who had a baby on one hip and an axe in her other hand. She had married a lord, a war hero, and a champion jouster, only to find herself stuck as lady of a castle only so called by courtesy, on an island that to Lynesse probably seemed physically and culturally in the middle of nowhere, with a husband who never again either took up arms in war (at least in Westeros) or distinguished himself on the tourney field.

Jorah clearly grew to resent and eventually hate Lynesse, but he was far from blameless in this situation. It had been Jorah who had, on no greater impulse than his physical attraction to Lynesse, taken a likely sheltered teenager from the only home she had ever known to one only he of the two of them knew and understood; it had been Jorah who had courted (again, to the extent we can call it that) the daughter of one of the wealthiest lords in Westeros from one of the most ancient reacher aristocratic families with absolutely no practical plan on how he could make Lynesse comfortable and happy in this new world; his best option in his mind was to spend money he very well knew he didn’t have and pursue a jousting career in which he knew very well he wasn’t cut out to succeed. Could Jorah truly be shocked that Lynesse “grew wild when [he] spoke of pawning her jewels”, or “moved into the manse of a merchant prince named Tregar Ormollen” after he, Jorah, became a sellsword? Far from fulfilling whatever expectations (again, likely at least founded in unreality) Lynesse may have had of this marriage, Jorah was now asking Lynesse to give up her remaining connections to those expectations and that foundation - the jewels she may have easily received as the daughter of rich Lord Hightower, the position of Westerosi lady marriage to Jorah had offered her.

Ultimately, I think this marriage was destined to fail because neither could ever be what the other may have gone into the marriage expecting. Lynesse could not be forever the tourney fantasy he had encountered at Lannisport - the beautiful highborn maid cheering him on from the sidelines as he won tilt after tilt in a tourney on the heels of his wartime fame. Jorah could not be forever the image Lynesse encountered at that tourney - the lord in his own right, the recent war hero and royally dubbed knight, the spectacular tourney champion. Jorah could not offered Lynesse the life of ease, security, and aristocratic culture she had grown up living with and perhaps consequently expecting; Lynesse could not offer Jorah the perfect highborn southron maid who would at the same time perfectly accept life as a Mormont bride.

#asoiaf meta #jorah mormont #lynesse hightower

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fireismine · 1 year

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DAENERYS TARGARYEN APPRECIATION WEEK 2023

Day 4: Character Parallels → Rhaena the Black Bride and Daenerys Stormborn

The Queen in the West:

In the Red Keep of King’s Landing sat the Queen Regent Alyssa, widow of the late King Aenys, mother to his son Jaehaerys, and wife to the King’s Hand, Rogar Baratheon. Just across Blackwater Bay on Dragonstone, a younger queen had arisen when Alyssa’s daughter Alysanne, a maid of thirteen years, had pledged her troth to her brother King Jaehaerys, against the wishes of her mother and her mother’s lord husband. And far to the west on Fair Isle, with the whole width of Westeros separating her from both mother and sister, was Alyssa’s eldest daughter, the dragonrider Rhaena Targaryen, widow of Prince Aegon the Uncrowned. In the westerlands, riverlands, and parts of the Reach, men were already calling her the Queen in the West. - A Surfeit of Rulers, Fire and Blood

Dany knew she would take more than a hundred, if she took any at all. "Remind your Good Master of who I am. Remind him that I am Daenerys Stormborn, Mother of Dragons, the Unburnt, trueborn queen of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. My blood is the blood of Aegon the Conqueror, and of old Valyria before him." - Daenerys II, A Storm of Swords

Three Husbands:

Rhaena was married to Aegon the Uncrowned, Maegor the Cruel and Androw Farman.

Her silver was trotting through the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly. A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness. . . . mother of dragons, bride of fire . . . – Daenerys IV, A Clash of Kings

The Queen in the East:

“Done,” the king said…mayhaps too hastily, for it must be remembered that Aerea Targaryen, a girl of eight, was his own acknowledged successor, heir apparent to the Iron Throne. The consequences of this decision would not be known for years to come, however. For the nonce it was done, and the Queen in the West at a stroke became the Queen in the East. - A Time of Testing: The Realm Remade, Fire and Blood

"The best calumnies are spiced with truth," suggested Qavo, "but the girl's true sin cannot be denied. This arrogant child has taken it upon herself to smash the slave trade, but that traffic was never confined to Slaver's Bay. It was part of the sea of trade that spanned the world, and the dragon queen has clouded the water. Behind the Black Wall, lords of ancient blood sleep poorly, listening as their kitchen slaves sharpen their long knives. Slaves grow our food, clean our streets, teach our young. They guard our walls, row our galleys, fight our battles. And now when they look east, they see this young queen shining from afar, this breaker of chains. The Old Blood cannot suffer that. Poor men hate her too. Even the vilest beggar stands higher than a slave. This dragon queen would rob him of that consolation." - Tyrion VI, A Dance with Dragons

Refusing to Cry

When word of the battle reached the west and Princess Rhaena learned that both her husband and her friend Lady Melony had fallen, it is said she heard the news in a stony silence. “Will you not weep?” she was asked, to which she replied, “I do not have the time for tears.” - The Sons of the Dragon, Fire and Blood

His business done, the captain of the Indigo Star bowed and took his leave. Dany shifted uncomfortably on the ebony bench. She dreaded what must come next, yet she knew she had put it off too long already. Yunkai and Astapor, threats of war, marriage proposals, the march west looming over all . . . I need my knights. I need their swords, and I need their counsel. Yet the thought of seeing Jorah Mormont again made her feel as if she'd swallowed a spoonful of flies; angry, agitated, sick. She could almost feel them buzzing round her belly. I am the blood of the dragon. I must be strong. I must have fire in my eyes when I face them, not tears. "Tell Belwas to bring my knights," Dany commanded, before she could change her mind. "My good knights." - Daenerys VI, A Storm of Swords

Gains Confidence After Bonding with a Dragon:

At the age of nine, however, Rhaena was presented with a hatchling from the pits of Dragonstone, and she and the young dragon she named Dreamfyre bonded instantly. With her dragon beside her, the princess slowly began to grow out of her shyness; at the age of twelve she took to the skies for the first time, and thereafter, though she remained a quiet girl, no one dared to call her timid. - The Sons of the Dragon, Fire and Blood

Day followed day, and night followed night, until Dany knew she could not endure a moment longer. She would kill herself rather than go on, she decided one night … Yet when she slept that night, she dreamt the dragon dream again. Viserys was not in it this time. There was only her and the dragon. Its scales were black as night, wet and slick with blood. Her blood, Dany sensed. Its eyes were pools of molten magma, and when it opened its mouth, the flame came roaring out in a hot jet. She could hear it singing to her. She opened her arms to the fire, embraced it, let it swallow her whole, let it cleanse her and temper her and scour her clean. She could feel her flesh sear and blacken and slough away, could feel her blood boil and turn to steam, and yet there was no pain. She felt strong and new and fierce. And the next day, strangely, she did not seem to hurt quite so much. It was as if the gods had heard her and taken pity. Even her handmaids noticed the change. "Khaleesi," Jhiqui said, "what is wrong? Are you sick?" "I was," she answered, standing over the dragon's eggs that Illyrio had given her when she wed. She touched one, the largest of the three, running her hand lightly over the shell. Black-and-scarlet, she thought, like the dragon in my dream. The stone felt strangely warm beneath her fingers … or was she still dreaming? She pulled her hand back nervously. - Daenerys III, A Game of Thrones

#danyweek2023 #daenerys targaryen #asoiaf #canondany

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ladystoneboobs · 5 months

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westerosi ruling ladies/acknowledged heiresses outside of dorne, listed by region:

the north

lady jonelle cerwyn, lady of castle cerwyn after the murder of her younger brother, lord cley cerwyn, by ramsay snow. (cley did not long outlive their father, lord medger cerwyn, who died of his wounds as a pow at harrenhal, after fighting in roose bolton's host when tywin lannister defeated them on the green fork.) we first hear of lady jonelle when robb stark calls his banners and lord cerwyn means to bring his old maid daughter with him, and the next we hear of her is when asha greyjoy gets her letter from ramsay, co-signed by a lady cerwyn and lady dustin, among the other northern lords in the bolton camp. cerwyn men-at-arms and the cerwyn maester are noted with roose at wf, and presumably if their lady did go south with her father, she must have returned north in roose bolton's party.

lady barbrey ryswell dustin, widow of the late lord willam dustin, apparently the last of his line since no surviving male dustins are ever mentioned. the widow of barrowton rules in his place for the remainder of her lifetime, and (unlike poor lady hornwood) rules with power uncontested, as barrowton's closest neighbors are the ryswells, also her closest kin, father and brothers. however, without any children from the late lord dustin, unclear what would happen after lady barbrey dies.

lady lyessa flint, head of the branch of house flint of widow's watch. lady flint's son, robin flint, led their forces in robb stark's army and died with the king at the red wedding, but was not the head of house. lady flint is listed such in the appendices, and was said to be pregnant in acok, meaning she likely had a living husband at the time, but he goes unnamed as only her consort.

lady alys karstark, heir to her eldest brother harrion karstark of karhold (whose location and current status is unclear after being captured by the lannisters a 2nd time), following the deaths of their brothers in the battle of the whispering wood, and the execution of their father by king robb as a murderer and traitor. at jon snow's instigation she has taken sigorn, magnar of thenn, as her consort.

lady wynafryd manderly, elder granddaughter of lord wyman manderly, by his son and heir ser wylis. should be the next heir to white harbor after her father, unless her parents should produce a son.

lady maege mormont of bear island, the only ruling lady listed here to also have a daughter as her heir. first this was dacey mormont, but after her murder at the red wedding, the new heir is second daughter alysanne aka aly the she-bear. but since aly told asha greyjoy she had a son as well as a daughter back home, that means there likely won't be a 3rd ruling lady in a row, as the mormonts may have a history of women warriors, but there's no sign they don't still practice male-preference primogeniture when there is a son to inherit. where the mormonts do step out of northern convention, however, is the ruling ladies fucking whoever they want without feeling the need for a husband and still naming their fatherless children mormonts, not snows, a practice rhaenyra targaryen would surely envy.

lady eddara tallhart, an heiress and then nominal ruler of torrhen's square, before the age of 10, after her elder brother benfred was killed by theon greyjoy's ironmen and then their father ser helman was killed when roose bolton sent him into an ambush at duskendale. listed as still a captive inside her family's seat, besieged by dagmer cleftjaw again, in the adwd appendix.

the riverlands

lady barbara bracken, eldest daughter of lord jonos bracken of stone hedge, who has multiple daughters by two of his three different wives, but no surviving sons.

lady amarei frey lannister, married to lancel lannister at castle darry as a granddaughter of a previous lord darry, then left to rule on her own after lancel abandoned her and repudiated their unconsummated marriage

lady eleanor mooton, eldest daughter of lord william mooton of maidenpool, listed as his heir in adwd appendix, at the time of her marriage to dickon tarly. (meaning presumably his sons mentioned in acok died during the war.)

lady carellen smallwood, (likely?) heir to acorn hall as the only known surviving child of lord and lady smallwood, whose only known son died years before.

lady liane vance, eldest daughter of lord karyl vance of house vance of wayfarer's rest, listed as his heir in the affc appendix

lady shella whent, last of the line of the whents of harrenhal, disposessed by tywin lannister, and allegedly dead by the time of affc, according to littlefinger. text is somewhat inconsistent on whether she or her husband inherited harrenhal, just as it's unknown what happened to all their children if they were the same whents hosting the tourney at harrenhal years before, nor even how they were related to minisa whent tully, the late lady of riverrun.

the vale

chella, daughter of cheyk, clan chief of the black ears

lady anya waynwood, lady of ironoaks, an older lady with multiple sons and grandsons still ruling in her own name, a formidable power in the vale, perhaps second only to the main branch of house royce as chief bannermen of house arryn

the westerlands

cersei lannister, lady of casterly rock as well as queen regent, following her father, lord tywin lannister, being murdered by her younger brother tyrion, an attainted traitor and fugitive, with her twin brother, jaime, unable to inherit as a knight of the kingsguard

lady alysanne lefford, lady of the golden tooth after lord leo lefford drowned in the battle of the fords against edmure tully's army. (whether the previous lord was her father, brother, or even uncle or cousin is unknown, all we know of her is her entry in the affc/adwd appendices after lord lefford's death in asos)

the reach

lady alysanne bulwer, the lady of blackcrown as the only known child of the late lord jon bulwer, frequently referred to as lady bulwer. (lady fatherslastname not being a style otherwise used with a lord's unmarried daughters, lady housesurname usually referring to a lord's wife using her husband's name). there is an inconsistency with taena merryweather telling cersei that there was talk of megga tyrell being betrothed to lady bulwer's brother (which a nondornish heiress cannot have and is not listed in any appendix), but this is either a mistake by grrm or misunderstanding by taena unless she's referring to an unknown brother of alysanne bulwer's mother, the last lady bulwer. (i'm taking multiple mentions of her as lady bulwer in sansa's pov over any gossip from taena.)

lady arwyn oakheart, lady of old oak, a widow with multiple grown sons who commanded her own forces in renly baratheon's army, even if she did not mean to fight on the field.

the crownlands

lady ermesand hayford, the last of the hayford line, a babe ruling in name only, married to the squire tyrek lannister before she was weaned, a husband now missing since his disappearence during the riot in kl on the day of princess myrcella's departure

the ladies tanda, falyse and lollys stokeworth, three would-be rulers of castle stokeworth dispossessed by the schemes of queen cersei and ser bronn of the blackwater. lady tanda ruled for years with falyse as her heir and younger daughter lollys as the only heir to the barren falyse, until such time as lollys was wed to bronn and lady tanda took a griveous fall from a horse. bronn started calling himself lord stokeworth when tanda and falyse were still alive, chasing off falyse after her husband attempted to kill him at cersei's behest. falyse died painfully in qyburn's dungeons, while tanda was left to die at castle stokeworth, making lollys even more a ruler in name only than baby lady hayford, as her husband is inside the castle with men loyal only to him, not to any stokeworth lady.

the stormlands

lady brienne of tarth, heir to lord selwyn tarth the evenstar as his only surviving child

lady mary mertyns, listed as lady of the mistwood in the adwd appendix

you'll notice the iron islands is the only (nondornish) region missing here. ofc they did have a possible heiress to pyke and all the isles but then asha greyjoy was soundly rejected as such at the kingsmoot after balon's death. the lack of other present-tl ruling ladies/acknowledged heirs afab may be down to this being the smallest region, aside from the crownlands. however, there are no historical ruling ladies in their section of the world book either, iirc.

AND there is another case of a possible heiress, again meaning asha, wrt harlaw. her uncle lord rodrik harlaw tried to dissaude her from the kingsmoot by offering to name her heir to his castle, while allowing a cousin to inherit all his other titles and power over the whole island of harlaw. but shouldn't asha have already been in line for all the harlaw lands and titles, above all the harlaw cousins? her aunt gwynesse's complaint of being the true heir as rodrik's elder sister may not work outside of dorne, but even on the nondornish mainland, a lord's sister (and therefore their children, ie asha) still come before a lord's uncles and cousins. isn't that the whole point of alys karstark's plight, that her older cousin had to marry her to try to claim her birthright? so the harlaw line of succession should go rodrik>gwynesse>alannys>asha before any cousins come into it.

that this would not be the case and that asha is only presented with the option of being lady of ten towers by doing homage to a cousin as her overlord for the whole island of harlaw suggests imo that the islands are particularly resistant to a woman as head of house, with all male kin following her in place of a patriarch. women may serve as castle stewards and the right sort may prove themselves as captains (not common, but not too rare either) but ruling on land, ruling over male kin, and fellow captains is a different matter. perhaps not too surprising from a people whose religon sees rape of foreign women as a key and holy part of their way of life. an ironwoman may not disapprove of her men doing so, but cannot fully participate without the cock to forcibly spread seed across the world. how can a captain who cannot fully perform manhood as the drowned god proscribes for his captains be rock king over any island, let alone all of them? in this light, balon's choice of asha as heir is even more radical, though likely it came not from a view of equality between the sexes but from a feeling that his own daughter was the very much singular special exception, more a son than greendlandized theon.

#vayrianscrolls #asoiaf meta #asoiaf #i just like listing things #i could have listed the dornish ladies and heiresses but the point is how many there even w/o equal primogeniture #the north and riverlands prob have the postdance phenom of more female rulers from all the men killed in war but theyre also #the most developed regions by far. so the other lists being shorter is partly down to not having as many family trees there #i think some people do give the ironborn more credit than they should for their uncommon but not unheard of warrior women captains #but i think aeron and vic are meant to represent the general view wrt how far a woman can rise.#and we see their views vindicated w how quickly balon's wishes for asha as heir as disregarded after his death #what is dead may never die #asha greyjoy #rodrik harlaw #balon greyjoy #(c)lsb #cleaning out my drafts. cleaning out my drafts. hi-ho the derry-o. cleaning out my drafts.

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daenystheedreamer · 1 year

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same rules as previous. NO cuck chair this is an involved threesome with full participation.

#i was gonna do brienne/danelle but thats like. too mean to brienne #asoiaf #polls #i picked danelle/rhaena im in a gothic mood lately #cat plus alannys harlaw will involve a lot of crying and yelling btw

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bardsansa · 11 months

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alrighty. doing a sisters series, both main series and f&b (in two chunks, i’m only one woman). so far the list is

sansa and arya, wynafryd and wylla, ashara and allyria, bethany and barbrey, catelyn and lysa, irri and jhiqui, val and dalla, the sand snakes, the mormont sisters, and the hightower sisters for main asoiaf. pls tell me if i’m missing anyone

for f&b, visenya and rhaenys, rhaena alysanne and jocelyn, alyssa maegelle and daella, saera viserra and gael, rhaenyra and helaena, baela and rhaena, maidenvault gals, serena and sansa stark, bethany and barba bracken, mya and gwenys rivers, laena jocelyn and joy penrose w jeyne waters, daella and rhae, and shaera and rhaelle. please tell me again if i should add anyone, esp non-targ women!

#these will not be coming out in an unbroken chain btw. i’m gonna b doing a whole bunch of stuff between them. but i like doing series-es.#mine

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atopvisenyashill · 4 months

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left out people who became ruling ladies due to their father and brothers all dying during the wo5k lol but shout out to all the child & spinster maiden ruling ladies. also left off heiresses, probably gonna do a separate poll for that bc a lot of them are Main Characters.

#polls #heiresses and ruling ladies in asoiaf #also left off dowagers or people i suspected were dowagers.#also. left off dany bc obviously she’d win aksjsjdjdj #why did i do this? for fun 😁

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noeverse · 5 months

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- evelyne & rosyn westerling - according to several contemporaries of the time...

both renowned beauties, with auburn hair and captivating brown eyes, rosy cheeks that was matched with a lovely disposition and a great sense of humour, evelyne was chosen by princess rhaenys targaryen to accompany her daughter laena, and sweet, shy rosyn was chosen by queen alicent to be a companion to the then princess helaena, to whom she became rather attached. both sisters corresponded often, and being companions to targaryen royalty put them in the marriage market. evelyne was proposed by rodrik mormont, but declined because of his wandering eye. instead, she asked the princess to let lady laena decide her marital fate. laena, feeling attached to her ladyship, married her to a rich merchant whom she didn't seem much, for when prince daemon was away, it was evelyne who tended to laena. some swore their relationship was far more romantic than many estimate, and it wouldn't be visited until later. many say that evelyne's three children were fathered by her husband, rickard fell, rather than prince daemon, who seemed to join lady laena and lady westerling in their liaisons.

back at king's landing, helaena and rosyn were close, so close it made the lord hand suspicious, but sadly, her sweet and cheerful disposition had her eating by the queen's hand, who, in gratitude, offered her in marriage to her third son, daeron, who seemed content with the marriage. they never loved one another, but seemed friendly enough to conceive a daughter, alysanne. it was overheard by a drunken aegon that sweet, tart rosyn knew the innerworkings of his wife's bed better than him, and that it was not a secret amongst the staff of the castle. the lord hand shut down such rumours and berated aegon, pointing how impossible it was for women to feel sexual attraction to one another.

then, tragedy struck. lucerys velaryon was killed by aemond targaryen, and king viserys died. daeron kissed his wife goodbye and flew to war, while rosyn stayed by healena's side.

queen alicent forbid her from writing, and queen rhaenyra, who, at laena's request, had taken evelyne by her side, told her to forget about rosyn if she wished to keep her position and head. however, it seemed like evelyne could quickly calm down the queen's anger and suspicions the same way she did with lady laena... some, by singing to her. others say they shared a bed as well, and prince daemon was more than happy to share his wife with his bedsheet companion from driftmark. such was the renowed delight towards evelyne, that she awarded her two sons lands and title, and her teenage daughter was betrothed to her son joffrey, and a signature was made that the moment lady nyra fell turned ten and six, she and prince joffrey would marry. in the meantime, she'd be a companion to her sons.

queen alicent, not wanting her most favourite ward to be upstaged, betrothed her granddaughter alysanne to heleana's son maelor. this decision was approved by a delighted helaena and a dejected aegon. but tides would turn during the events of rook's rest...

#hotd oc #house of the dragon oc #oc: evelyne westerling #oc: rosyn westerling #laena velayron x oc #rhaenyra targaryen x oc #jeyne arryn x oc #helaena targaryen x oc #aliandra martell x oc #myedit*#mine*#fic: burning bridges (of a kingdom fallen)#fyeahhotdocs

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isefyres-archive · 7 months

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finally made a few bios:

princess orysa baratheon (oc).

lady elyra brax (oc).

lady barbara bracken.

lady mara mormont (oc).

ser edmund blackwood.

ser arthur dayne.

balerion blackfyre (oc).

elmon tully (semi-canon).

ser terrick tarbeck (oc).

lady cerenna lannister.

ser daven lannister.

lady fuchsia fylgjar (oc).

lady jeyne poole.

king viserys i targaryen (fire and blood).

lady cassandra baratheon (fire and blood).

lady eleana vyrwel (oc).

lady desmera redwyne.

princess gaia of haen, commander of lysani armies (oc).

queen rhaenys i targaryen (conquest).

val of the free folk.

lady alysanne lefford.

lady claypso upcliff (oc).

ser wallace waynwood.

sigorn of thenn, magnar of thenn.

lady laena velaryon (fire and blood).

lord orys baratheon (conquest).

lady guienvere dayne (oc).

king aegon i targaryen (conquest).

princess argella durrandon (conquest).

lady ashara dayne.

lady lyanna stark.

lord addam whitehead.

lady quira qorgyle (oc).

prince jacaerys targaryen/velaryon. (fire and blood).

princess rhaena targaryen (fire and blood).

princess arianne martell.

lady medysa webber (oc).

lady alynne connington.

lord alyn velaryon (fire and blood).

lady rhea royce (fire and blood).

lady serafia celtigar (fire and blood).

lord clement celtigar (fire and blood).

lady mysaria (fire and blood).

aurane waters.

lady florya royce (oc, fire and blood).

kyra kingsblood (free folk, semi canon).

doreah of lys.

lord ardrian celtigar.

lady tessaria velaryon (oc).

lord crispian celtigar (conquest).

lady obsidia celtigar (oc, conquest).

lady elinda massey (fire and blood).

#out of character ╲ when you play the game › mun.#are you proud of me #finally did addam whitehead

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thelustybraavosimaid · 2 years

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Reading Fire and Blood made me realise how much Jon's admirations and preferences of what he likes in women is pretty general amongst Stark men.

Alaric:

Lord Alaric had lost his wife three years earlier. When the queen expressed regret that she had never had the pleasure of meeting Lady Stark, the northman said, “She was a Mormont of Bear Isle, and no lady by your lights, but she took an axe to a pack of wolves when she was twelve, killed two of them, and sewed a cloak from their skins. She gave me two strong sons as well, and a daughter as sweet to look upon as any of your southron ladies.”

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Once the initial frost had thawed, his lordship took the queen hunting after elk and wild boar in the wolfswood, showed her the bones of a giant, and allowed her to rummage as she pleased through his modest castle library. (Jaehaerys and Alysanne—Their Triumphs and Tragedies, Fire and Blood)

Cregan:

Queen Alicent’s captors had slain her guards and were thus condemned to death, but an impassioned plea from Lady Baela herself spared her rescuers from a similar fate, though they too had bloodied their swords by cutting down the king’s men posted at her door. “Not even the tears of a dragon could melt the frozen heart of Cregan Stark, men said rightly,” Mushroom tells us, “but when Lady Baela brandished a sword and declared that she would cut off the hand of any man who sought to harm the men who had saved her, the Wolf of Winterfell smiled for all to see, and allowed that if her ladyship was so fond of these dogs, he would permit her to keep them.”

And Lord Cregan, a widower these past three years, had responded in kind. Though Black Aly was no man’s queen of love and beauty, her fearlessness, stubborn strength, and bawdy tongue struck a chord for the Lord of Winterfell, who soon began to seek out her company in hall and yard. “She smells of woodsmoke, not of flowers,” Stark told Lord Cerwyn, said to be his closest friend.

About Alysanne's description:

“A lean tall creature was this wench,” says the dwarf, “thin as a whip and flat-chested as a boy, but long of leg and strong of arm, with a mane of thick black curls that tumbled down past her waist when loosed.” Huntress, horse-breaker, and archer without peer, Black Aly had little of a woman’s softness about her. (Aftermath—The Hour of the Wolf, Fire and Blood)

And Jon:

Ygritte trotted beside Jon as he slowed his garron to a walk. She claimed to be three years older than him, though she stood half a foot shorter; however old she might be, the girl was a tough little thing. Stonesnake had called her a "spearwife" when they'd captured her in the Skirling Pass. She wasn't wed and her weapon of choice was a short curved bow of horn and weirwood, but "spearwife" fit her all the same. (Jon II, ASoS)

All the same, the wildling princess was not beloved of her gaolers. She scorned them all as "kneelers," and had thrice attempted to escape. When one man-at-arms grew careless in her presence she had snatched his dagger from its sheath and stabbed him in the neck. Another inch to the left and he might have died.

Lonely and lovely and lethal, Jon Snow reflected, and I might have had her. Her, and Winterfell, and my lord father's name. Instead he had chosen a black cloak and a wall of ice. Instead he had chosen honor. A bastard's sort of honor. (Jon III, ADwD)

Why not? thought Jon. They are all convinced she is a princess. Val looked the part and rode as if she had been born on horseback. A warrior princess, he decided, not some willowy creature who sits up in a tower, brushing her hair and waiting for some knight to rescue her. (Jon XI, ADwD)

#fuck 'jon has a type' STARK MEN HAVE A TYPE #and so does Bran lol #he loves Meera who is an expert hunter and catcher #asoiaf #jon snow #cregan stark #alaric stark #ramble

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rainwingmarvel7 · 3 months

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Game of Thrones/House of the Dragon OC Masterlist

(Will update whenever I add new characters!!!)

Game of Thrones

Alistair Dormaire

Nadya Dormaire

Victyr Dormaire

Erwyn Dormaire (Waters)

Ryen Dormaire

Jenny Storm

Elinor Hightower

House of the Dragon

Kaleb Dormaire

Tristan Dormaire (Snow)

Therese Targaryen (Snow)

Brandon Waters

Rhaedaera Velaryon

Baelon Blount

Aeriana Blount

Sarra Mormont

Adrian Blackberry

Gawen Arryn

Alyssa Dormaire Locke

Game of Thrones (Next Gen)

Ren Stark

Lena Stark Arryn

Joanna Lannister

Jaime Lannister (Waters)

Robb I Stark

Talisa Stark Tully

Margaery Stark Baratheon

Theon Stark

Edwyrd Stark

Lyanna Stark Hightower

Game of Thrones (ATRF Next Gen Side Characters)

Jeyne Dormaire

Celda Greyjoy (Pyke)

Rohanne Blackwater

Alysanne Targaryen

Edmund Tully

Edric Baratheon

Erryck Tarly

Allyria Martell

Aemma Corbray

Gwayne Hightower

Rhaella Targaryen

Game of Thrones (A War of Two Queens Side Characters)

Alayne Dustin

Jeyne Payne

Denyse Redwyne

Aemma Flowers

Genna Westerling

Old Valyria AU

Saelvyia Maegar

Naevaya Maegar

#game of thrones #got #house of the dragon #hotd #game of thrones oc #got oc #house of the dragon oc #hotd oc #asoiaf oc

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queenaryastark · 2 years

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The chivalric gesture of naming someone queen of love and beauty is not inherently romantic. Chivalry in real life and in the books, with a few exceptions, is performative and political. Behold, all canon examples of QOLAB:

Princess Daenerys Targaryen (daughter of Jaehaerys and Alysanne) was crowned by Simon Dondarrion in the tourney in 55 AC. Since Daenerys was born in 53 AC, and the gesture earned the knight a positive response from the common people as well as the toddler's mother, that suggests that Simon wasn't pursuing a romantic relationship with a baby. He crowned the baby to gain political favor from her parents and to gain a good reputation.

Queen Alysanne Targaryen was crowned by Ryam Redwyne 58 AC. Since Alysanne was married to the reigning king, this must have created a scandal, right? Wrong. There is no suggestion of Alysanne having an affair with anyone, certainly not Ryam. He crowned her to gain royal favor.

Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen was crowned with the victor's laurel for a melee by Criston Cole in 104 AC when he was 23 and she was 7 years old. Criston is filth, but was he really publicly establishing a romance with a seven year old princess? Why wasn't he sent away or killed after this romantic gesture? Because it wasn't romantic. He was trying to improve his station by making a chivalrous gesture toward the king's daughter. Sure, the child developed a crush on him, but this wasn't publicly seen as an issue at the time.

Queen Naerys Targaryen was crowned by Prince Aemon. This dynamic is given similarities to the Arthurian romance between Guinevere and Lancelot within the popular culture Westerosi songs and stories. But, TWOIAF makes it clear that the historical Naerys sees normal relationships between siblings to be platonic. She even asks her husband-brother to stop forcing her to have sex with him now that they have an heir, saying they should live as brother and sister ... meaning no sex. So why would the brother she has a positive relationship with have romantic designs on her? The truth is, the crowning wasn't romantic. Aemon was honoring his sister.

The daughter of Lord Ashford from The Hedge Knight began a tourney as the reigning QOLAB with two of her brothers as well as three other men defending her title. If this is romantic, that means she was romantically involved with five men, including two of her brothers. This is clearly just a role in the game of chivalry. A Targaryen prince is even honored by being named one of her champions despite no connection between him and her being noted.

Princess Rhaella Targaryen was crowned by Ser Bonifer Hasty. OK, this was clearly romantic. The very first romantic example available.

The daughter of Lord Walter Whent and Lady Shella Whent started the tourney as the reigning queen. Her champions were her brothers and her celibate uncle. No romance noted.

Lyanna Stark was crowned by Rhaegar Targaryen. Was this romantic? There's no evidence they knew each other before or spent significant time together during the tourney. She was hanging out with her siblings, protecting Howland, and secretly competing in the tourney while Rhaegar was surrounded by his friends and allies, trying to overthrow his father, and competing in the jousts. Where was the time? But here's a passage from TWOIAF detailing how those present found this to be political:

Lynesse Hightower was crowned by Jorah Mormont as the second example of this being a romantic gesture.

So of the eight known QOLAB and the one recipient of the champion's laurel, only two (2) examples were overtly romantic. Crowning someone or standing as their champion isn't a huge romantic gesture. It's certainly not something that is going to harm an uncrowned woman's social status. Elia's position as Rhaegar’s wife and the presumed future queen consort of Westeros wasn't threatened by her not receiving an empty chivalrous gesture. Even if it had been romantic, it would be damaging to Lyanna's social standing, not Elia's since Elia is married to the crown prince while any other person can only be his paramour.

This whole idea is just as unfounded as Jon being a threat to his legitimate siblings. The facts of the series simply don't support it. He would be treated as inferior to them and have fewer opportunities because he is illegitimate. And this isn't about defending Rhaegar, who I am not a fan of lol

#elia martell #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #alysanne targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #asoiaf

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