#Even by human standards it's totally justified!!! And MAN are the results gonna be fun

[tswwwit]

Just imagining Dipper's parents finally trying to get their shit together and rekindle their relationship with the twins after several years of almost no contact, only to show up in town and 1. Dipper doesn't recognize them at first, and 2. When they remind him who they are, his brain scrambles for a second because, in his head, his "Dad" is already in the shack, scamming groups of tourists for loose change. He nearly goes, "huh? But my dad is-," and points to the shack, before catching up with his brain and realizing who he's talking to

[autisticandroids]

Oh patron saint of mpreg, tell us, what is the absolute gold standard canon divergent mpreg scenario with Cas and Dean?

so for me the gold standard is for cas to get pregnant due to some kind of magical or metaphysical situation that dean at least does not perceive as sex. bonus points is cas is hesitant about it but refuses to explain why (because he doesn't know how dean will deal with the concept of himself being able to potentially get cas pregnant), so dean is like "we're doing it anyway" and then they do it and then cas doesn't tell anyone that he is pregnant until circumstances force the information out of him. and then dean has to deal with the fact that 1) cas can get pregnant, 2) cas is pregnant, 3) it's his, and he does so pretty poorly.

the rest is under a cut because this post is over 2.5k words long.

my favorite times for this to happen are at the end of season nine, just before dean dies and gets demonized in do you believe in miracles, and at the start of season twelve, just before sam and dean go to jail, because the pining in both those scenarios is delicious but it is so much more powerful if cas is also pregnant, and never even told dean. double points if the truth somehow comes out while they're separated so when dean comes back it's like. yeah cas is pregnant. it's yours. welcome home dean now you have to coddle cas' emotions because he thought he would have to raise your baby alone.

the season twelve scenario is particularly delicious because 1) we can have lucifer slut shaming cas in front of crowley in rock never dies, so crowley knows before dean, and 2) much more importantly, mary is there, and i am obsessed with like. okay. several things.

- the idea of mary getting all baby fever because she misses her boys and this is like. a baby she can take care of because she never got to take care of sam

- the idea of dean working through some of his parentification trauma by coparenting a child with the parent whose place he felt he had to take

- the idea of mary coming in and projecting her insane 1980s gender roles all over cas, suddenly treating him like a woman, stripping him of agency, etc. and like. dean would also do this even though he's not from the eighties, but mary would do it double strength, and they would reinforce each other, it would be a nightmare

- also mary trying to relate to cas on the Travails Of Motherhood etc. and cas being like ?????????? like i cannot stress enough that the weird gender roles she projects onto cas are also standards that she held herself to back when she was a Wife And Mother. while cas is like mary i am not a human woman and also i don't see what "having to look pretty for my man when i'm all baby bloaty" has to do with anything. that's not something i feel like i have to do

oh and 3) could you imagine lily sunder has some regrets if cas was pregnant? unfathomable episode. like ishim and mirabel's reaction but ALSO lily's. and it would fix the number one issue i have with lily sunder, which is that the resolution of the moral dilemma is "well AKSHUALLY the kid was human and not a nephilim so killing it was bad" rather than "it was bad to kill lily's baby, full stop." like ishim's cover up and using the machinery of power to manipulate the truth is very compelling, but the fact that it results in the moral essentially being "it would have been okay if the kid had been a nephilim" suuuuuucks.

basically, there's a reason i have two entire mpreg aus set in season twelve.

and then the delicious part in the season nine version is like. one, dean is away for much longer and he could be anywhere. also he's a demon and he's cheating on cas with crowley. and then even when cas gets him back he's still cursed with the mark, so we can get all weepy over that. you know. i'm the one who's going to have to watch you murder the world and i'm eight months pregnant. etc etc.

but the other thing that's juicy about this version is that cas is still semi-involved with the other angels at this point, like he's roadtripping around with hannah and they're trying to get heaven under control, so carrying a nephil is going to really affect those relationships. so he's going to be probably disliked by the other angels, and there are MANY opportunities for slut-shaming, but at the same time, the other "outcast" type angels might respect him for violating heaven's dictates.

and then of course there's his grace vampirism victorian wasting disease. in canon he's perfectly happy to let himself die, but if he were having dean's baby he would absolutely not do that, that's dean's baby he's endangering there. so of course there's the terrible guilt of having to kill other angels so he can live, plus potentially preparing to die shortly after childbirth so he doesn't have to keep killing. delicious.

and on top of all this cas can get slutshamed by metatron in, depending on when exactly he gets knocked up, meta fiction, stairway to heaven, and do you believe in miracles. plus stairway to heaven would be insane like all the angels would know that cas is pregnant. they would see it in his grace. like cas' angel army would just. know that he was pregnant with a nephil, and have to accept that because he's their leader. in love with humanity indeed.

i'm trying to think of other good times for this drama with cas getting secretly pregnant through a nonsexual interaction to take place. it would be great in season six. like: he's doing a blasphemy with his body but at the same time he's this big important rebel leader so they can't say shit about him, and also he's pregnant while fighting these big important battles (fun and sexy), AND this is like, hot on the heels of the realization that something about his feelings for dean is untoward, expands beyond the bounds of ordinary friendship and camaraderie. like he realizes that, and maybe even that he has sexual feelings for dean, and then he gets immediately knocked up. stunning.

it would ALSO be extremely fun for it to be some kind of... i don't know, magical longer gestation times, whatever, but for cas to have gotten pregnant sometime in s5 and only realized during the Year Of Lisa. LOVE to watch a man rake leaves while both metaphorically carrying the taint of taboo sexual feelings for him and literally carrying his child.

but the thing about season six is, first of all, cas isn't really... envisioning a future with dean. not the way he does in the later seasons. like does he fantasize about a future with dean? yes. like. he really did watch that motherfucker rake leaves. but it's only fantasy. he expected to never speak to dean again after swan song until dean prayed to him in the third man. he's obsessed with dean, but it's distant. remote.

like, we talk about cas babytrapping dean in the later seasons with jack, and he absolutely does, and he would do it even more if dean got him literally pregnant, but that babytrap is about... how do i put this. it's about winning dean's affection. late seasons cas knows that he's going to die by dean's side. the difference that babytrapping dean makes is that maybe it will get dean to be nice to him in the mean time, instead of discarding him like so much toilet paper.

but season six cas doesn't think of it like that. if he were gonna babytrap dean, it would be in the more traditional sense of forcing dean to stay with him in order to raise their child together. and he would never do that. he wants dean to have a happy future, which in his mind does not include him. like, compare here "he's retired and he's to stay that way" in the man who would be king, where cas assumes that dean is happy without him and expects him to live out his days peacefully without ever seeing him again, to "i'm the one who's going to have to watch you murder the world" in the prisoner, where cas assumes that he will be by dean's side for centuries.

but anyway, the other, much more important problem with season six is that cas has a war to fight. like, in the later seasons, cas really has nothing. even when he's on tenuous good terms with the angels, he doesn't really have a home with them. the winchesters are his family, and he'd give up anything for them. he has nothing in his life. he's at rock bottom, and this becomes truer the further along you go. late seasons cas has nothing he would prioritize over serving the winchesters, and he would be happy dropping anything he was involved in to have and raise dean's baby. parenting would give him a purpose that he no longer has, because everything else has been stripped from him.

but in season six cas has a life outside of them. like yes, he has a war to fight, but he also has a place in heaven, with the other angels. he belongs somewhere, he has solid connections to the outside world. even if he didn't have a war to fight, i don't know how excited he would be to have and raise a baby (even dean's baby) because he simply has other things he could be doing. he's involved in the world beyond the winchesters.

like, the reason cas wants to be a parent is that he is totally alone and totally purposeless. having a child gives him both a reason for being and someone who will always love him and who he can care for. if he doesn't have that hole in his life he might not be so eager to fill it with a baby.

for all these reasons, this plotline really doesn't work in season six, because you simply cannot justify cas not getting an abortion, unless you do something nasty like make angel abortion impossible, which i don't love.

you COULD somehow put the impregnation just at the end of season six, maybe just before the man who would be king, such that cas doesn't realize he's pregnant until he's already godstiel. you guys are unfortunately very aware of how obsessed i am with pregnant godstiel.

actually, @jeanne-de-valois has a concept of like. a single, madness fueled midnight hookup immediately pre-tmwwbk (or maybe even during, but prior to the superman mistake), where cas is simultaneously so stressed from being stretched so thin from the war and the lying and the shady dealings, and so high on being The Big Man In Heaven, that he's bold and out of his mind enough to actually come onto dean, like he just appears one night in dean's bedroom and is like, fuck me, and dean is like 👁👄👁 okay. so they have one single adrenaline and madness fueled hookup, and then everything immediately goes to shit.

and i think that's a great place for cas to get pregnant, and then he doesn't realize until he's become god, or maybe he does and he's just like "i'll deal with it later," either way godstiel is like oh? i carry dean's heir inside me? i will have dean's baby. i will have dean's baby it is my right and also my boon to him and also a symbol of my great and magnanimous love for humanity. and also maybe i will put giant paintings of myself pregnant with his child up in churches. what about that. which would be fun. don't know when he would give birth though. actually it would be insane if he gave birth as emmanuel and was just like. raising dean's nephil when dean found him again. nuts. but it just doesn't really have the same flavor as late seasons mpreg. doesn't compel me nearly as much. like the symbolism of godstiel being pregnant with dean's child is fun and sexy but them actually raising the kid afterwards doesn't compel me nearly as much, so it's better to leave literal mpreg to the later seasons and let godstiel mpreg reside in symbolism and fantasy.

or maybe the fetus gets stolen by the leviathans when cas walks into the lake and dean has to battle his leviathanated nephil daughter as the main villain of s7. like she's dick roman's secret weapon. i think that would be fun, actually. kind of an emma situation but drawn out over the whole season. and he thinks cas is dead for most of it so she's all he's got left of cas and a mess cas left for him to clean up. big sexy.

and as a bonus, i will also tell you the best time, imo, for dean to get pregnant: near the end of season eight. possibly a single, tragic farewell fuck in sacrifice when cas is planning to lock himself away in heaven and they're never gonna see each other again. and this impregnates dean with cas' nephil.

but then cas is human. and he can't do anything about it. like generally if they managed to get dean pregnant somehow, cas would immediately talk him into an abortion (which wouldn't be too hard; dean's natural white midwestern man who doesn't vote aversion to abortion would be at war with the horror of being pregnant, and the horror would win), or might not even inform dean that he's pregnant, and just quietly end the pregnancy without dean's knowledge, because cas would never put dean through that. but if cas is human, he can't do that. and furthermore, that nephil is the last evidence of his angelic nature that persists. it's the last of what he used to be, the last of his grace. and there's something absolutely delectable about that.

then of course dean would have to leave the bunker if he was pregnant with a nephil, because angels would be after him, and he wouldn't want to lead them to gadreel, so i am imagining dean discovering that he's pregnant and then showing up in a panic at the gas n sip like "actually cas i'm also out of the bunker will you go on the run with me?" and then they go on the run and have to live in motels again and cas gets to live with take care of dean who is pregnant with his child which is essentially his dream, and he doesn't have to feel guilty because he's no longer capable of giving dean an abortion so he doesn't feel obligated to get him to have one. ideally cas gets re-angeled just in time to give dean an angelic c-section. or maybe they rely on a normal human c-section in a hospital and cas stays human and they are two humans raising their nephil, which is also fun to me.

[isaacathom]

ok ive decided Kysroa is fine as a name because honestly, whatever. Kysro as a a word (and not the name of the Goddess) probably has some additional meaning, and its less about Kysro being the head of state and more about having her protection.

theres other stuff i need to deal with. like, for instance, are Divinitians actual native to the region or did they come from elsewhere?? ive sorta decided theres a group native to the south of the region (modern day Kysroa) who were big supporters of the independence movement and from whom the Revolutionary Leader came (she needs a name). but where did the Divinitians come from? how many southerners are there?? are they the majority in Kysroa?

i think probably? however they do have a sizable ethnic Divinitian population from before the civil war (somewhat diluted but many people would still identify with that label) and due to their trade with other former Divinitian states, there is a general diversity in the population. for instance, the western port would be incredibly diverse due to its nature as the sole way in and out of Kysro (due to the closed border with Divinice and the inability to cross the southern mountains without risking the spread of That Funky Darkness). itd lessen the further out you get from that point. the capital is likely diverse. Black River is almost certainly solely inhabited by the native population (call it a stubborn refusal to abandon a place theyve called home for centuries, even in the face of fucking dark god gargoyles. damn). which would mean theyd have greek influence since Thalia comes from the region buuut its not hard and fast by any means. its quite possible non-natives moved into the area in recent years in an effort to help the people living there, allowing for a spread of culture. plus there might be non-natives who had lived in the region prior to it becoming black? idk. i like having flexibility in terms of which culture acts as inspiration.

but again. where are the Divinitians from? the fact Divinice serves as the capital of the empire, and that the Empress (aka the embodiement of Ylais) stays on this peninsula implies theyve lived there for centuries. and it would explain why the southerners only started chafing as Divinitian demand for their resources started to outweigh the freedom of their people. but theres also the possibility, ad what i think would be interesting, is that the Divinitian empire initially started elsewhere, and they relocated in accordance with their beliefs?? if the idea is that eclipses are incredibly significant, then them moving to a location that lets them see it better makes sense. perhaps the intent wasnt initially to move the capital, but after settling the northern part of the peninsula, they went ‘hmm damn thisd be perfect’ and it just sorta gradually became a thing. or it ITSELF declared independence for a previously existing entity that had colonised the region, and then began the Divinitian Empire in direct contest to its original owner. with the native southerners going all ‘listen if we give you some jewels will you like........ leave us alone? cool’

cause the issue is that if Divinice was actually a colony, it wouldnt be the crux of the Empire - it’d simply be a member of it. it wouldnt be the Empire of Divinice, itd be the Constituency or State of Divinice within the larger Empire. so in order of Divinice to act as the center of an Empire (thus justifying the prescence of the Empress and her Temple Maidens) it has to either be a full on migration of a previous country (basically picking up and putting back down of a people group), a previously dependent nation that sought its own independence in goddamn antiquity, or they were always there.

the full on migration actually sounds interesting to me. perhaps they fled disaster, or war, and established themselves on this peninsula with the understanding blessing of the locals. after all, they share the same religion, albeit from a different perspective, so there is commonality (sorta like..... protestant and catholic?? i guess? the same foundation upon which a differing understanding is built. with the kysroans worshipping Kysro and the ylaitians worshipping ylais). theyre essentially sympathetic. they help this group of people settle and build homes where they can live, and in time even to establish whole cities for their people. meanwhile these religious kysroans (and etnic Whatever the hell their name is, boyo) are chilling out further south. the two groups are very close! everyones chill! then things start getting a little weird when perhaps the straight up leaders of their original homeland arrive and start running the place. they establish an Empress, which at this early stage is likely an actually hereditary, human held position. even at this stage, the Empress is still “the personification of Ylais”, but again. hereditary and good fun. the natives are a little perturbed, but since worship of Ylais is in theory wholly compatible with worship of Kysro, theres no broad conflict. and then when Maidens start existing (possibly as a direct result of Ylais following her “people” to the peninsula and being forced to interact with Kysro, thus brokering their short lived peace for the benefit of their people) things are still fine, and in fact get even better, just based on magic progression.

then, at some point, the peninsula is declared Divinice, with a variety of local southern leaders agreeing to the union on the basis that it will benefit the south in the long term, with the trade connections of the seafaring Divinitians. this doesnt really come to fruition, and infact the south is left worse off after the christening of Divinice, as the elite in the north seek to expand territory. many southerners are conscripted into their armies, ruining families and communities. worsip of Ylais is emphasised more and more. and then, of course, theres an eventual discovery of a huge ore deposit or something in the mines down south, which drives demand up and standards wayyyy the fuck down. everyones kinda fed up now. then they refuse to allow maidens to perform kysro-centric blessings on miners or anything related to mining (ie tools or what they gather) and thats when the south goes ‘yknow what. fuck you. what the fuck’ and thus the civil war begins.

i think i like this idea. with the northerners interested it what lies out on the horizon and the southerners more interested in the mysteries under their feet. both initially friendly and compassionate, but shit getting bad with more people coming in and deciding they had more power. and if the southerners had fought with exactly the same tools as the north, they wouldve been! except they didnt, because southerners went ‘whats the point of magic if i cant use it to kill a man’ and sent willing maidens into battle to absolutely demolish the Divinitians. get rocked. and the southerners could easily have laid claim to the entirety of the peninsula, based on the fact theyve lived there the whole damn time, but they actually decided that they were fine to stay north. also because the Maiden Empress at the time bent over BACKWARDS to appease them. full and immediate independence, land concessions,COMPLETE backwards to prevent the total removal of Divinitians from the peninsula. preventing what caused them to come to the peninsula in the first place from happening again.

actually on that REAL quick. the Divinitians (which is almost definitely not their ethnicity, just their nationality) probably came from the east. which then explains their subsequent expansion westwards after the establishment of the Empire of Divinice, if the whole point was that they were afraid of the eastern powers. it then explains why Kysroa is friendly with the western Divinitian states, because theyre in a similar boat. theyre chill.

anyway this tab has been open for like 3 hours so im gonna shut this down. uh tl;dr in the way distant past, a people group from the east of the peninsula were driven from their homeland by something or other (possibly for religious regions, possibly because their leaders were complete assholes, anything is possible) and found themselves on the northern shores of the peninsula. the inhabitants, sympathetic to their plight and sharing a religion, allowed the refugees to establish towns and homes in the north, provided they didnt do dick things. with time. they did dick things. they established the Empire of Divinice, which included the south (to a lot of confusion and vague aggression, but their general shared culture made it. fine??). Divinice expands further. magic occurs. shit gets whack. the south goes ‘actually no, fuck you??’ and bam. an independent Kysroan republic on the same peninsula as the capital of the Divinitian Empire. and THEN. that Kysroa is majority of the original peninsula ethnicity (whatever that might be), with more diversity the closer you to get to its sole port city in the west. Divinice is broadly speaking more diverse, but is definitely the hub for its ethnic group, originally from the east.

fun!