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#I just feel dejected as hell rn lol
lordelmelloi2 · 1 year
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It's so surreal. Like it started with someone who was WELL KNOWN for being into incest on twitter moving to tumblr and then integrating seamlessly into fate tumblr circles without anybody saying anything or even noticing anything even though it was blatantly up-front via a link to their website in their bio. Then another person who was known for being into incest came back to tumblr. Now people are openly discussing wanting to fuck characters that are without-a-doubt underage, stated as underage, and meant to be read as nothing else but underage... all under this guise of like, queer-liberative-act type shit where it's Bold and Awesome to be Unabashedly into Incest and Pedophilia. Because you're queer or whatever. And like a year and a half ago it wasn't like this.
To be honest I feel pretty let down. For a while there I thought I could rely on people to try and be more aware of Why incest/pedophilia shit was wrong, how it normalizes the abuse IRL and actively makes it much more difficult for survivors to come forward about abuse and recover, but somehow it's like everyone mutually all gave up on trying to respect the feelings of survivors in this fandom. Like genuinely. And there's certain things I've given concessions on because I've been here 7 years and I'm pushing 30s and have mellowed out but this is just disappointing. Like you guys can't be serious. You really care so little?
I am acutely aware of how it looks being a Type Moon fan and being against Incest and Pedophilia. I'm also here to tell you as a Type Moon fan I don't think Nasu's intent with his writing is to push incest as a thing that's acceptable. As a Case Files fan I know the work actively condemns it and acknowledges it as an abuse, same with other things like pedophilia and teacher/student relationships and such. I don't think Type Moon is trying to say that incest is okay, otherwise the tragedy that happened to Artoria wouldn't be such a massive glaring focal point in the story, also coming forth in LB6. Like I don't know how many times they need to write a story where the incest is a bad thing for people to get what's being said there.
A lot of Type Moon's themes are just "People struggle with abuse". I enjoy Type Moon works because I enjoy those themes. I loved seeing Sakura lash out during Heaven's Feel and I loved seeing her get called out and I loved seeing her kill her abusers. I loved Rin treating Kirei coldly during FSN and trying to protect Shirou from the emotional abuse that Kirei could inflict in a short period of time, because she was innately familiar with it. I loved Illya's confusing controlling feelings towards Shirou later turning to warmth as she realized she wanted to be family with him. I appreciated how Waver in Case Files tells Reines not to make her incest jokes and how he stands upright against people condoning abuse or enabling abuse in any way. Typically TM works don't try to shy away from showing how people get messy about it. There are things characters do that are showing that they have been abused or groomed, many many times. That's another thing about TM I enjoy.
But I don't enjoy romanticizing or sexualizing that aspects of the character's abuse for my own pleasure. I don't think that's the point of the stories, or the point of what the authors are trying to convey. That's just my personal feelings. But as an incest and pedophilia survivor I can't stand it when people act like the ramifications of said romanticism/sexualization of the messy parts of being abused/abuse in general don't exist. These things affect people. I don't feel safe in the fandom in general anymore because I am noticing this trend where people just don't care about incest as something that Happens to Real Life People and something that shouldn't be so carelessly romanticized. And it's fucking everywhere anymore! In any erotic spaces, there's tons of incest roleplay shit. You don't have to have a Master's in research psychology to know this constant romanticization has real life ramifications. Pedophilia notwithstanding, since most people can generally agree that wanting to fuck teenagers is weird, but somehow 16 is okay? 17 is okay for some of you guys?
It's weird. Genuinely, I think it's weird. I'm just like in disbelief anymore that things have gotten this bad in this short of a period of time. It's not that I'm going to leave tumblr or anything, by god I'll still post forever, I have plans to spend the next 10 years on here lmfao but I just needed to Point It Out. I don't know if there's anybody else who's been feeling this same way as me, but I hope to find others who can openly speak about the way it makes them feel, too. That's really all I want right now. I'm looking for other Type Moon fans who want to make space for incest and abuse survivors and be Open to critique whenever someone points out "hey that character is a minor" rather than just digging their heels in and going "well they're magic/fantasy!" about it.
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sodrippy · 3 months
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heyy it's op anon again, how are you? what's up? is it still cool to send you updates or are you not that interested since you're caught up?
i'm at the start of dressrosa rn! i warmed up to fishman island by the end of it and punk hazard was fun :3 (as fun as these set-up arcs can get)
i almost hate to say it but i get the law hype, love a guy who is playing chess while everyone else is playing poker
bartolomeo is also funny, i like his cocoroach-like swag. what do you think of him?
also idk if it's just me or the translation I'm reading but all the tontattas sound like they have a jersey accent and idc if i'm wrong about it it rules
and while this arc is interesting like 30% of my attention is on the fact that wci is next, cannot wait to focus on my beautiful princess with a disorder
please let me know your thoughts about all this :0 hope you're having a nice day!!
hii!! omg yes please keep sending them!!! i love hearing where youre up to and what you think of the arcs and the new characters and everything, its so fun!
oh thats such a good description of law youre so right. its a shame they made him so crazy smart w insane devil fruit powers bc it means he has to constantly be nerfed so he doesnt like. end arcs in two episodes or whatever when hes around, but its SO fucking funny too bc this man cannot catch a break 😭
excited to hear how you feel about laws backstory!! i forget where thats placed in the arc but its a lot</3
his cockroach like swag has bewitched you...his intro was so fun like 'um what the hell is wrong w this guy lol?' and his power is super cool as well! i think hes a sweetheart but also like. i dont want to hang out in person around him too long hes INTENSE fdhsjsdxz. i love the yin-yang balance him and cavendish have over luffy, like barto loves him and cav hates him, meanwhile luffy is like 'hi who are you again?'
JERSEY ACCENTS...thats incredible and im adopting that into my personal canon immediately<3
oh sanji babygirl.....hes so depressed disordered dejected. sounds like youre having a similar experience to getting through impel down arc while knowing marineford is next, like you cant give 100% of your attention to this bc you know whats coming! guessing youre aware of this already but bestie it kind of takes a while to get to the sanji part of wci its crazy.
i think i said before but i really liked dressrosa, like i def skimmed swathes of it that i didnt really find super interesting, but i thought the general arc had a lot of heart and it was really engaging for me, maybe it was just bc everyone had fun outfits or smth but im quite fond of it!
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lightmycandle · 3 years
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Things I Learned From NYTW RENT AKA
Stringing Together My Incoherent Thoughts
Voice Mail #1
- The speakkk in this sounds like they hate life. Honestly same.
- Roger worked at a bar and was fired
- Mark was cut off financially
Splatter
- IM SORRY WHAT
- 20 seconds of awful Roger music and then the opening number starts playing?
- This sounds much slower
- WHAT THE ACTUAL-
- ????
- TW SUICIDAL THOUGHTS: MARK WANTS TO KILL HIMSELF BY JUMPING OUT THE WINDOW
- THATS WHY THIS SONG IS CALLED SPLATTER
- THIS IS SO MORBID
- Oh ok that’s not Adam
- What is going on with this music? It gets weirdly faster but immediately slows down im so confused
- Mark is definitely taking his and Maureen’s breakup harder here
- Every time they say “last month’s rent” instead of “last year’s rent” it throws me off
- The transition to “you ok honey” is just not it
- I can’t get over how different Collins and Joanne sound
- Ngl I miss my bass baritone Collins :(
- There is absolutely no chemistry in Cangel’s interaction whatsoever
- I’m still so shocked over how morbid this is-
- So basically Marker are both very much not ok
- The reason Mark’s parents cut him off was because he wasn’t a business major?
- I’m so glad they changed the ending to “cause everything is rent”
- Well, that was an experience
You’re A Fool
- “For someone cool you’re a fool” and then Mark’s little dejected “I know” 💀
- Do Marker even like each other? Or are they both just depressed besties-
- “Some of our parents don’t pay our bills” isn’t Mark cut off??
- “Mr. Negative cause he’s HIV positive” is such a low blow, I can’t believe that was once a Mark line considering he’s always supporting Roger, as well as telling him to go out and talking sense into him
- The lyrics are a bit bland and somewhat mean but overall I’m vibing to the music
- Ok so Mark still does try to get Roger to go out
- “I don’t fit in anymore, all right?!” hurts. I don’t know if he’s saying that because he feels as though he needs to spend all his time writing or if he’s saying that because he’s just depressed and he doesn’t have the energy to do the things he once loved
- Mark is obviously very upset at the thought of Roger dying, but doesn’t want to show it too much. He just wants to make as many memories as he can with him, and wants him to at least have fun and be surrounded by people who love him before he goes. So now I’m starting to see more of final-version-Rent Mark poke through.
- “If you only knew - I spend so much time obsessing, it’s depressing.” Woah I actually relate a lot to that Mark w h a t
- I kinda love how we get to see Mark’s personality and know a bit more about him. In the final version, we don’t really know a lot about Mark because he’s basically narrating (which is fine) until Roger calls him out before he leaves for Santa Fe
- WOAH HOW THE TABLES HAVE TURNED
- THEYRE CALLING EACH OTHER OUT NOW JUST LIKE THEY DO IN GOODBYE LOVE
Today 4 U
- THEY REALLY CHANGED THE ORDER A LOT HUH
- “Whose music is the purest on the Bowery I believe” ANGEL AS A BOWERY BEAUTY NEWSIES AU
- This song sounds the closest to the final version
- “toDay for you”
- The only difference so far that I’ve noticed is that Angel says “work so well” instead of “go so well”
- THE LINE DELIVERY FOR “That dog is now in doggy hell” I AM SCREAMING
Do A Little Business
- What exactly is going on in this song
- ✨ Benny is unhinged 😍 ✨
- LOL MARK IS SO ENTHUSIASTIC TO SEE HIM /s
- I forgot Angel was even here 💀
- “What kind of hag - I mean dog, do you have?” I AM LOSING IT
- “Evita’s an Akita” “Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.” JAIL
- I’m actually scared of Benny this man is vicious what is going on
- What is with the random Today 4 U music but at the end??
- I guess Mimi doesn’t exist 😍
Female to Female A
- If they would’ve kept this, then in Take Me or Leave Me Maureen would’ve been projecting because she’s being a little controlling rn
- Maureen’s manipulativeness is already showing
- “It’s times like these I really appreciate Mark” YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT-
Come to the Meeting
- I like the “Benny was a dilettante, Benny met a debutante” lyric a lot
- Roger has a car that originally belonged to April
- Angel asks about April instead of Mimi, because she simply does not exist 😍
- Mark honey you’re being a bit too harsh
- TW SELF HARM: I think I’m having trouble with the context clues here but I think Roger was a cutter :/
- Well this is just upsetting, I just feel really bad for these fictional characters ugh
He Says
- WOAH THIS IS THE SAME MELODY TO GOODBYE LOVE
- “He says he doesn’t think that love is possible anymore” “It’s not!” HEAVY FORESHADOWING. Mimi has to exist now, it only makes sense
- “One day I’ll/he’ll fix that car she left me/him and fly” Does this mean Roger’s success or his death??
- Gosh I feel a lot more sympathy for Mark in this version. Before, in the final version, I felt sorry for him because I could only imagine how scary it was for him to be the “one of us to survive” but at the same time he literally came from Scarsdale. Like sir you come from a rich neighborhood, have parents that seem to care about you and you’re out here claiming to be a struggling artist? At least you can just move back upstate when it gets too rough, the others can’t. However at the same time I wondered if maybe his family were toxic and controlling; but in this one I know a bit more about the backstory
- “I don’t believe a word he says.” I SERIOUSLY LOVE MARK. THATS ALL.
- I swear I recognize the melody at the very end of this song but I can’t pinpoint it
- OH MY GOSH
- OH NO IM GONNA CRY
- ROGER IS SINGING THE BEGINNING OF “WILL I” AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HIS ONE GREAT SONG AT THE SAME TIME AND SHHSHSBSUSBGAU
- My heart HURTS
- I kinda wish this would’ve been kept in, it’s so real and raw (the whole musical is but still)
The Right Brain
- ONE SONG GLORY YES
- Wait what never mind it’s called the right brain and has completely different lyrics
- “I lost my map” DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MAP ANYBODY MAYBE HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW-
- I really really like this but I can see why the lyrics were changed
- Roger screaming “right brain” instead of “glory” is absolutely sending me
- Someone called this the Zombie Version of Rent and I am crying
- That final “riiiiiight braaaaiiiinnnnn” PLEASE
- I AM SO CONFUSED
- WAIT A MINUTE
- Oh. Ok. So there’s… that.
- I’m cringing ahhh
- Oh gosh that was so off key I can’t
- This song is such a bop I’ve replayed it again but “time diiiiiiiiiiies, right braaaaaaaaainnnnn, can’t find the riiight braiiinn” 💀💀💀💀💀
- OH MY GOSH LIGHT MY CANDLE IS STARTING EVERYONE BE QUIET
- “The door!” This song really broke my already broken humor
Light My Candle
- Why does this sound like Contact?
- Oh ok there’s the LMC I know and love
- I kinda liked that buildup
- “I’m not going?” MARK??
- MIMI EXISTS!!!!!!
- Wait is this Daphne? It sounds a lot like her but doesn’t at the same time
- “What?” OK ITS DEFINITELY DAPHNE
- The knock sounds so loud in this one considering how soft they’re singing
- IM USED TO HEARING ROGERS DISBELIEVING GIGGLE WHEN HE SAYS “WHAT” BUT THIS “WHAT” MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD THIS MAN IS PROBABLY IN A TRANCE
- Someone said Roger sounds high and I couldn’t agree more lol. Also Mimi sounds somewhat ghostly to me? Does that make sense? As if she’s just some sort of phantom drifting along. I feel like Renée Elise Goldsberry’s Mimi acted ghostly during LMC too and Daphne’s was more desperate but fiery? I’ve always loved both portrayals of it, but it’s interesting to see the changes. I think because this version is significantly slower and feels almost deathly is the reason why she sounds like this
- “Here it-oh, no.” ROGER REALIZING HIS DUMB MISTAKE LOL
- “A candy bar wrapper” THAT WAS AWFUL(LY GOOD) VOICE ACTING. MIMI DEFINITELY DOESNT BELIEVE YOU NOW SO 10/10
- The “Mimi” part is a little longer
- LMC is the best song in Rent, no I am not taking any criticism - it just is
On the Street/Voice Mail #2
- The way this guy says “Christmas bells are ringing” 💀
- Joanne’s parents call her “Muffin” instead of “Kitten”
Female to Female B
- “It’s times like these I really appreciate Mark” “I heard you before” “How can someone so bright be so utterly in the dark?” I’m forming the Joanne Deserves Better club, does anyone want to join? /j
- “Isn’t it enough that I put up everyday with a temperamental, selfish, abusive-” YES JOANNE CALL HER OUT
- “And sexy.” *Rolls eyes*
- This song is actually really good
- Gosh their relationship is so toxic in this
- “I love you Maureen!” *a few seconds later* “I hate you Maureen!”
Another Day
- ANOTHER DAY LETS GO
- “No.” IM SCREAMING IM SO USED TO ADAM’S DRAMATIC, DESPERATE “NO!”
- I love the “Come back another day, another dayyyy, annnottther another daaayyy!” and the change in music
- “Your pain I see, your heart’s been burned. You’re just like me before I learned” THIS IS BOTH SO HEARTBREAKING AND SENSITIVE.
- “No other way” OK DAPHNE
- Im so glad “Honey get real, here’s the deal - it’s time for you to book I mean look you’re cute but I don’t buy that spiel” was cut. It drags the song on unnecessarily
- “Your anger’s real but just beware it’s a waste to feel that fate’s unfair, there’s no such thing as tragedy I can’t resent what’s meant to be” W H Y W A S T H I S C U T
On the Street #2
- THIS WHISTLING I JUST SNORTED
- I mean, I can’t whistle either so I shouldn’t be talking
- “Ahnest living man! 😒 *cartoon car skiddering noises* Feliz Navidad! 🙄”
- Why does “evening officers” sound so ominous-
- I can’t tell if the person playing the blanket/homeless person is running out of breath or if the audio was somehow cut
- Ok I think it’s the audio, Angel sounded really quiet for a second
Santa Fe
- Collins’ voice never ceases to surprise me
- “I preach!” “Hallelujah!” I did not expect that-
- “I beat the drum of apocalypse like orchestras on sinking ships” Is this a reference to both the aids epidemic and Titanic?
- It sounds like Collins says “you’re a sensitive a see” instead of “you’re a sensitive aesthete”
- “We’ll open up a restaurant” and “gains gains gains” interesting change??
I’ll Cover You
- The beginning is very very different
- “We’ll never be that desperate” “You’ll never have to be”
- OK ANGEL COME THROUGH WITH THE VOCALS YES AND THIS MUSIC OK
- “Open your door” Um no not with you sounding like that
- I AM LOSING IT SOMEONE SAID THIS CANGEL SOUNDS LIKE AN EPISODE OF CRIMINAL MINDS
- I miss the “yea yea yea yea yea” :(
Will I?
- Dang not them going from a (semi creepy) love song to a heart shattering support group session
You’ll Get Over It
- I SWEAR THAT FIRST NOTE SOUNDS SO MUCH LIKE THE FIRST NOTE IN “FALSETTOLAND/ABOUT TIME”
- “It’s times like these” IS THIS FALSETTOS?! THEY LITERALLY SAY “It’s about time don’t you think” IN THERE
- I mean… Falsettos did come out in ‘92
- Maureen how many times are you going to think about your ex boyfriend? You’re in a new relationship now, either respect her enough to break up with her or go get some therapy
- OH MARK IS ACTUALLY HERE NEVERMIND
- Why is she calling him “honey” and “baby” when she’s literally dating someone-
- Oh gosh please don’t tell me the reason Mark lost weight is because he’s genuinely starving (like in the opening number they say that they’re “hungry (and frozen)”)
- Mark is not having any of it. Good for him.
- WAIT MAUREEN IS THE ONE TO SAY THAT HER SAMPLES WONT DELAY SO THAT MEANS THERES NO TANGO MAUREEN NOO
- Now I’ll never know if Mark is from Scarsdale in this version 😔
- OH GOSH NOW I SEE WHY THEY CUT THIS
- This makes Mark slightly unlikeable, immature even
- “How’s it going?” “Not good. I’m depressed” OMG ME TOO BESTIE
- Mark reminds me of this nice guy™️ I used to know
- “Anyway, I treated you like dirt - you’ll get over it!” MA’AM?! HOW CAN YOU BE SO CASUAL ABOUT THIS?
- Oh that’s because her abusive tendencies are normal for her
- Ok I take it back, Mark isn’t a nice guy ™️ he’s just salty and has every right to be. I still don’t like what he said earlier though uGh
- WHEW OK NEVER MIND I MEANT WHAT I SAID EARLIER
- I can’t express how much I hate this, Mark is becoming so unlikeable and Maureen is just being her usual self
- The music is good but the lyrics just make Mark seem awful ugh and that’s fine if that’s what they’re going for but I’m still gonna hate him :)
- TW SEXUAL ASSAULT: MARK PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON’T TELL ME YOU ACTUALLY GROPED MAUREEN
- Oh gosh that’s so gross of him I truly hate Mark so much
Christmas Bells
- Mark saying “Maureen?” after Roger points out Mimi makes much more sense in this context
- Mark’s “woah!” isn’t nearly as funny as it is in the cast recording: 0/10 /hj
- The transition from the whole follow the man thing to the apology to the man being angry to Roger snapping at him has always been one of my favorite moments and this one did not disappoint
- I can’t decide whether I like the extra lines that the man has or whether I liked that it was cut
- I think I do like it actually
- Joanne is ✨ fed up ✨
- That “to” in “and it’s beginning to” was way too long
- Why does Maureen’s “last night I had this dream” sound so… weird? Almost robotic? Idk
- I was expecting “Joanne which way to the stage” but Joanne seems done with Maureen so it makes sense it’s not here
Over the Moon
- What even is going on in this version?
- TW: GORE/VIOLENCE: “She gauged her eyes out!” OK JUMP SCARE WARNING THIS ISN’T SWEENEY TODD
- NYTW Rent is back to being morbid 🤩
- Maureen is sounding more and more unhinged (which is ironic because I called Benny unhinged earlier and he’s the exact person she’s protesting against)
- Do I hear the music to Jaws?
- The person (Karen Oberlin?) who played Maureen for the first staged reading said that Maureen was supposed to be similar to Laurie Anderson? Which is apparently a stark contrast from the final version of Maureen?
- “The mOOon” MAUREEN WHAT ARE YOU ON
- This music is making my anxiety spike up for no apparent reason
- Never mind it’s the impending doom (that isn’t coming)
- Oh wait nvm I forgot this is a sad musical-
- How are you just going to say “Thank you” and leave after doing whatever the heck that was???
La Vie Boheme Part 1
- The waiter sounds more defeated in this than panicked. Cool.
- Mark’s “what?!” is also more toned down. I miss dramatic, loud Mark
- I was wondering why Anthony’s voice sounded so different all of a sudden and it’s because they had Roger say the “that’s a lie…I had a tea the other day” lines
- Please don’t start singing “do a little business” again
- RIP Blockbuster
- I’ve always loved how Benny’s voice sounds (at least when Taye Diggs, Rodney Hicks, and Jared Bedgood sing it) when he sings “a bright a charming girl like you…a fallacy in your head) but this just missed the mark imo :/
- Benny sounds like he’s trying to hard to be a villain but it’s just not working, he just sounds cuckoo
- “Hey sister, she’s my sister” So is Benny’s father in law not there or..?
- Ok I have never heard this next part (after “carmina burana”) before? And I can barely make out what they’re saying so I’m glad they cut it
- “Starring his former lovers current female lover as himself” w a i t w h a t a m i n o t g e t t i n g
- THEY CHANGED BENNY’S “Your new boyfriend doesn’t know about us” to MARK SAYING “Meet you in the bathroom” UM-
- “Another brother?” “Ex lover” Ok
- I FEEL SO BAD FOR ROGER AFTER HE STRUGGLES TO PLAY HIS SONG - MARK SAYS “Not now Roger” PLEASE 😭
- “I’ve been trying…I’ve got baggage” Roger sounds pretty decent here
La Vie Boheme Part 2
- This starts off so sarcastic too I love it
- “Send back your ghost or else we’ll have to get real jobs” Oop 👀
- Roger says the “Food of love…heavy competition” lines along with Angel
- Maureen sings the “Revolution…making pleas!” lines by herself
- “The opposite of war isn’t peace it’s creation” IM SO GLAD THEY KEPT THE MUSIC GOING AND CHANGED THE WAY THAT LINE WAS DELIVERED IN THE FINAL VERSION
- That ending was… underwhelming
I Should Tell You
- Bruh when is this song gonna start?
- JUST TELL EACH OTHER ALREADY
- “I can’t sleep at night, I’m scared to close my eyes” This is so sad. I know this is a fictional character but geez this girl is a literal teenager and dealing with so much
- “I’m so filled with fright, I rarely share, I criticize” this poor man is so depressed and it’s making me sad
- I really am loving this version, they’re both airing out their flaws before proceeding with a relationship and it’s emotional
- Never mind, what is going on with these lyrics
- I love that the “here goes” at the end made it to the final version
WHEW THAT WAS A LOT.
TIME FOR ACT TWO BESTIES!
Seasons of Love
- Ah yes, Seasons of Love
- This sounds so good-
- Is this slower than the final version?
- They sing “although it’s not the end” instead of “though the story never ends”
- WOAH IS THAT OUT TONIGHT?!
Out Tonight
- IT IS OUT TONIGHT
- It’s crazy how this is in act 2
- “I’ve got an itch - to be a b*tch” LOL
- “I need to laugh like a child” I’m genuinely so confused as to where this lyric came from
- It’s “Valentine’s Day” instead of “Christmas Day” here
- I WAS SO CONFUSED BEFORE REALIZING MAUREEN WAS THE ONE TALKING
- “Forget me not” Why is this man so dramatic 💀 this is giving me last day of school “HAGS!” vibes and I don’t know why-
- “Mark stop crying” I almost feel sorry for him
- “No this is not a phase I’m going through” !!!
- I’m starting to like this Maureen-
- “He loves me - he loves me more” I SWEAR IF ANGEL WAS IN THE BACKGROUND PICKING OFF PETALS DURING THIS I AM GOING TO DIE
Seasons of Love B
- This song placement makes no sense?
- Maybe the final version is faster than this one to show how little time they have left?
Voice Mail #3
- When the phone rang, and I half expected someone to go “Dr. Mendel please”
- “April is the cruelest month” I think February is but ok
- “Anyone but Mark, please leave a message” Who wants to join me on the (Demo) Mark Cohen is canceled train 😍
- Seriously is this man just harassing her with calls everyday? That’s creepy. She’s moved on, and so should he.
Without You
- Maureen is singing “Without You”?!
- I’m sorry but I don’t think it makes much sense for Maureen (and Joanne) to be singing this song. Maureen seemed like she didn’t even care about Joanne so saying things like “But I die without you” doesn’t add up. Unless she means “my toxicity dies without you and I need you in order to fuel my manipulation.”
- It’s very telling that Joanne sings the “Without you… the lungs breathe” part
Voice Mail #4
- “We went to steal an air conditioner” “We’ll be right back!” IM SCREAMING
- “Professor Collins” EW I AM NOT USED TO HEARING HIM CALLED THAT
- “He said he was gonna steal an air conditioner, maybe this isn’t the right number” LOL THIS IS THE SAME MAN WHO LATER REWIRES AN ATM
Contact
- Oh gosh no it’s ✨ contact ✨
- I don’t know how to feel about the first 15 seconds
- Never mind, it’s plain weird
- Angel’s “take me” sounds almost painful :( poor baby is SUFFERING
- “It’s over” Once again, Collins sounds like he’s going to commit a crime
I’ll Cover You Reprise
- TIME FOR S A D
- “Live in my house” I hate that I cringed
- I feel so bad but this Collins is just NOT. IT. The lines that are heavy with emotion (whether it’s grief or joy) always come across as creepy
- He sounds less creepy as the song goes on, so I’ll give him that
Goodbye Love
- I swear if Halloween isn’t in this, I’m going to riot
- “You said that you were leaving town last week” “You said that Benny was the most disgusting yuppie scum of the earth” THESE LYRICS SHEESH
- Maureen says “You said you’d give me some space” instead of “Who said I was talking to you” and this oddly sounds more mature of her than the final version?
- Mark’s “Calm down” and “Everyone please” in the background gives me “Oh no! Anyway” vibes. This man is saying this in the least alarming, non-forceful way ever. HE’S LIVING FOR THE DRAMA
- For a high energy/emotion song, it’s so slow
- “I gave a mile” “When you weren’t trashed” THAT WAS KINDA LOW
- LOL BENNY AND MARK SAYING “Come on guys chill” IN THE ABSOLUTE MOST UNFAZED WAY EVER IS SENDING ME THEY BOTH COULDN’T CARE LESS AND ARE HAPPY TO SEE THIS HAPPEN
- “Don’t give up Joanne?” Excuse me?? You cheated on her and was abusive
- “I live for you” Maureen this is so incredibly manipulative I can’t
- I missed Adam Pascal’s “ALLLLLLLLLLL YOUR WORDS ARE NICE MIMI”
- I’m so so happy they changed “one way street” to “three way street” because it makes more sense (Benny, Roger, heroin) and hits harder
- Wondering why they changed “tonight” into “today”
- Not the “I can’t believe this family must die - Angel helped us believe in love, I can’t believe you disagree” lines missing
- “Some of the best *voice crack* How could she?” MY HEART
- ROGER SOUNDS SO BROKEN OH MY GOSH
- “Use your right brain” LOLOL I SNORTED DO NOT BRING THAT UP IN A SONG LIKE THIS
- Everyone who has been personally victimized by Zombie Roger is entitled to financial compensation
- “I don’t know what I am” THAT LINE HURTS
- OH MY GOSH
- MARK SAYS “Who does” AND ROGER GETS ANNOYED AND SINGS “Oh God Mark, don’t you?!” AND THEN MARK IS THE ONE WHO SAYS THE “Mark has got his work…Mark hides in his work” LINES AND ROGER SAYS “From what?” AND THEN MARK SAYS “From facing my failure… facing the fact that I live a lie” THIS IS SO PERFECT I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS VERSION. I LOVE FINAL VERSION TOO BECAUSE THEY BOTH KINDA CALL EACH OTHER OUT BUT THIS IS JUST *screams*
- “You don't live a lie, tell you why. You never finished your film cause the standards you set for yourself are too high - but the fact remains that you're the one of us with the talent and the drive. The fact remains, Mark, you're the one to survive.” I AM LOSING IT
- THIS IS PERFECTION PLEASE
- I LOVE YOU JONATHAN LARSON
- “I’m afraid the burden’s gonna make me crack.” “If it does, just let me know, I’ll come back” STOP I AM ON THE VERGE OF TEARS-
- “Why’s it easier to return to a friend, than to burn with a lover till the end?” THIS LINE. THIS LINE RIGHT HERE. WHY WHY WHY WAS IT CUT.
- This is (Demo) Mark’s redemption arc oof
- “Mimi still loves Roger, Mimi’s just with Benny because Mimi’s getting weak” I AM BEGGING YOU ALL TO LISTEN TO THIS
- “I’ve gotta go” “Anything you need in Santa Fe?” “I’ll be fine - make your film” “Ok, love you. Call.” *whispers* “Love you too. I hate the fall.” IT IS TAKING EVERYTHING IN ME NOT TO START SOBBING
- I NEED TO SEE ADAM PASCAL AND ANTHONY RAPP SING THIS VERSION PLEASE IF IT’S OUT THERE GIVE ME A LINK
- Roger’s soft “You heard?” 🥺
- I’m just sitting here all sad and then Roger starts softly singing “Right brain, how do I find the right brain? I lost my map” SIR PLEASE STOP THIS IS TAKING ME OUT OF THE MOMENT
- Right brain will never not be funny
- Daphne’s voice sounds so pretty
- “Hello disease” and “They call me Mimi” being on the same note will never not crush my heart. She feels as if her disease has become her and it’s heart breaking.
- I love Mimi and Roger so much. Not necessarily together because the way they’re relationship started was just not it and they have so much work to do but I’m just rooting for them to come out on the other end ok 🥺
Real Estate
- I’m getting villain vibes from this
- Is this another “Do A Little Business”?
- Oh wait never mind it’s Angel’s burial
- I like the music in this
- “I give up” IS HALLOWEEN GOING TO START
- Ugh maybe I’m reading too much into things but the way Benny has talked to Alison this whole time irks me
- OK MUSIC COME THROUGH
- ITS GIVING ✨ QUIRKY VILLAIN ✨
- “I’m all alone” LOL I HATE THAT I LAUGHED I DID NOT EXPECT FOR HIM TO SAY THAT
- Ok I can definitely see why this was cut
- “My friends have flown or are dropping like flies.”
- LOL IM SORRY MARK I CAN’T FEEL BAD FOR YOU FOR BEING IN LOVE WITH MAUREEN AFTER LITERALLY HARASSING HER ABOUT HER SEX LIFE AND TRYING TO GET HER TO COME HAVE SEX WITH YOU-
- “My family’s nuts” I figured, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree /hj
- “I haven’t had sex in a millennium” This man is so dramatic like he could’ve said “*insert number* months” (which at least would’ve rhymed) but no he had to be dramatic
- Mark and Maureen, the drama king and queen 😍
- LOL IM SCREAMING BENNY IS TRYING TO OPEN UP A REAL ESTATE BUSINESS WITH MARK?!
- “Cohen and Coffin” I’m surprised he put Mark’s name first
- ALISON SPEAKS
- She honestly serves no purpose, I can see why she never appears on stage in the final version
- Imagine pouring out your heart and all your friend says is “hAvE yoU cOnSidEreD rEaL eStATe?”
- Ew please don’t mention that man’s name in a musical like this
- “Couldn’t we build low income housing” MARK STOP TRYING TO MAKE ME LIKE YOU
- Benny’s voice reminds me so much of those villainy voices on animated kids shows back in the day. Specifically the Magician from Frosty the Snowman (I barely remember what that man sounds like so please do not ask me to elaborate 💀).
- THIS CHANGE IN MUSIC WHAT IS HAPPENING
- IS ALISON FROM THE COUNTRY? IS THAT WHY THE CALLED HER A DEBUTANTE EARLIER SINCE THOSE THINGS ARE USUALLY IN THE SOUTH?
- “Any idiot can turn on a camera and shoot hobos” Alison, I hate you 😍
- “Last year filthy bum-“ “Person!” “Ok, filthy person.” I’M HONESTLY SO SHOCKED SHE SAID THAT BUT THEN AGAIN BENNY USES THE SAME LANGUAGE SO I SHOULDNT BE SURPRISED
- MARK I’M STARTING TO LIKE YOU MORE AND MORE FOR DOING THE BARE MINIMUM
- “I’m doomed forever to be poor” I KEEP FORGETTING THAT MARK ISN’T FROM SCARSDALE IN THIS AND THAT HE’S CUT OFF
- OH MY GOSH WAIT NO I THINK HE IS FROM SCARSDALE IN THIS VERSION BECAUSE BENNY SAYS “Meet you back in Scarsdale”
- MARK YOU ARE FRUSTRATING ME
- “Last year crummy boho goon, next year corporate tycoon” I.HATE.YOU.ALISON.
- MARK ROLLING HIS R 💀
Open Road
- “No you can’t save the world, better save your heart” PAIN
- I think I hear some Another Day undertones
- Roger is really concerning me
- I knows he’s talking about Mimi, but I can’t help but feel like he’s talking about April too
- This song is weirding me out, as I’m worried that he is going to have a breakdown
Voice Mail #5
- I don’t speak Spanish but I feel like the person playing Mimi’s mother definitely doesn’t either 💀
- Hm Roger’s moving to Brooklyn? That’s interesting, I wonder why he just didn’t go back to Manhattan (but the memories are too painful and he needs a fresh start)
- Is this… the Twilight Zone?
Finale A
- THE MUSIC TO SPLATTER IS PLAYING AGAIN I CAN ALREADY TELL THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD
- TW SUICIDAL THOUGHTS: SO WE STARTED THE MUSICAL WITH SUICIDAL THOUGHTS AND NOW WE’RE ENDING IT WITH SUICIDAL THOUGHTS. Great.
- They literally sound dead when singing “How we gonna pay”
- “Salutations” sounds out of character
- Creepy Collins is back at it again
- Benny demanding things from Alison (to the tune of Do A Little Business?) and then immediately singing “We are the world, we are the children” and then going back to singing to the tune of Do A Little Business tops every other unhinged thing he’s done /hj
- “No more fiction, this is an eviction” BABWHSHWHSNISKW
- OH MY GOSH I HATE BENNY I HATE BENNY I HATE BENNY SO MUCH
- YES ROGER TELL ALISON THE TRUTH
- “Markkkk!” OH NO MY HEART DROPPED NO
- It sounds like Roger is saying “Gooooo!” instead of the usual “Nooooo!”
- Oh no the Halloween music :(
- ROGERS “Over here, Oh God” WAS SO SOFT
- THIS POOR BOY
- “Collins will get you a doctor, honey” IM ABOUT TO CRY FR
- COLLINS COUNTING HIS MONEY AND ONLY HAVING $16 - THIS LUMP IN MY THROAT IS GETTING BIGGER
- “Wait, I’ll sell the camera” MY JAW DROPPED
- MY EYES ARE WATERY
- I’m so confused by Collins’ lyrics in this
- “I finished the film” “That’s great” MAUREEN IS NOT HAVING IT AND HONESTLY SHE SHOULDN’T BECAUSE ??? A 20 YEAR OLD WOMAN IS DYING - NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR FILM I UNDERSTAND YOU MIGHT BE TRYING TO GET YOUR MIND OFF THINGS BUT THIS IS NOT IT
- “It’s called, Today 4 U: Proof Positive” Mark sweetie stop trying she doesn’t care
- Mark and Maureen praying/pleading for Mimi to live-
- Mimi’s panicked “Don’t go!”
- They both say “I love you” at the same time 🥺
- Them singing “I Should Tell You” again is really sweet
- Ok so apparently Collins was singing to his coat (I guess because he was going to give it to Mimi?) so his lyrics make sense now
- Rogers’ voice getting louder when he sings “Who goes there” makes me think he’s screaming this at death, like he wants it to leave the people he loves alone
- I really love how this version doesn’t include Your Eyes, it’s just a short instrumental bit of it. It’s more impactful imo
Finale B
- “Moonstruck! The theme from moonstruck! Mooooooooooon!” W h a t
- Maureen says “She’s drenched” and Mark sings “Her fever’s breaking” I’m kinda confused as to why they changed it in the final version to Collins and Maureen
- “No day but today” *chefs kiss*
OK I’M DONE LISTENING AND THAT WAS A ROLLERCOASTER. Anyways, “The Right Brain” unfortunately lives rent free in my head now 😔 send help
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