#Jean-Clément Martin

[pleasecallmealsip]

at this point i am no longer sure if i can call jean-clément martin a historian anymore, dude really shatposted about his role as “scientific”(?) advisor to the Video Game that We Do Not Talk About implying that slandering Marat as an overbearing brother and generally unloveable person, slandering Saint-Just as a selfishly revenge-driven criminal, etc, is comparable to depicting the use of flying machines in the 1790s (and I don’t even want to get into how the hot air balloon was already put into military use in the Battle of Fleurus).

Obviously I cannot be the person to systematically write a long call-out post for Jean-clément here, because I’m not a historian. But really I’d avoid any source that mainly cite him.

as always, save me o more well-read mutuals of mine. Save me. I mean, correct me if I’m wrong.

[mali-umkin]

Oh actually I can think of some attempts at "middle ground" by one historian in particular: Jean-Clément Martin. Which is quite ironic because he is much more of a defender of Robespierre than even Peter MacPhee is. But I think that's precisely the reason - when one's ideas can be perceived as somewhat radical in the field of history, today's compulsion seems to be to temper them with some "reasonable" "balanced" "moderate" views, to avoid a perceived weakening of the overall argument.

Martin's attempts involved, I feel, erasing Robespierre's at least symbolic importance - and thus in the political psyche and public opinion, extensive perceived influence during the end of his lifetime - to present him as "a deputee amongst others", and refusing any contemporary reclaiming of the Frev by Left parties because he can't accept the politisation of the Revolution's ideas as their natural continuation. If anything, I find the lack of nuance in these statements to undermine his work.

[montagnarde1793]

TERREUR ET VERTU | JEAN-CLÉMENT MARTIN, MARC BELISSA, ANNE SIMONIN

Mon directeur de thèse fait mieux que moi la publicité de mon bouquin XD; (Il ne m’a rien dit non plus !)

NB : Comme à son habitude, l’intervention de Jean-Clément Martin est moitié géniale moitié conneries...

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[quercusfloreal]

Hello! I hope this isn't a lazy question on my part, but I was wondering if you might have a recommendation or two on a good book re: the lead-up to the Terreur and Thermidor reaction? I've always heard of Robespierre and Saint-Just as being two horrific figures who murdered people in droves, and while it does appear the terreur yielded a lot of death, I'd love to read a more nuanced/ less sensationalized overview of the period. If you know of a book or two that cover this topic, I'd be super grateful for a rec! French or English, no preference at all. Thank you for your help!

Well I don't know a lot about Saint-Just. The only recent book I know is his biography by Antoine BOULANT.

About Robespierre :

Robespierre: la fabrication d'un mythe, BELISSA Marc.

Robespierre: la fabrication d'un monstre, MARTIN Jean-Clément.

About La Terreur (rationalizing the events) :

La Terreur, MARTIN Jean-Clément.

Visages de la Terreur : L'exception politique de l'an II, BIARD Michel.

Le tribunal révolutionnaire: Punir les ennemis du peuple, BOULANT Antoine.

Thermidorian reaction :

En finir avec Robespierre et ses amis, BIARD Michel.

La réaction thermidorienne, MATHIEZ Albert. (It's not recent but "la fabrique" edition has a preface in which Yannick BOSC and Florence GAUTHIER put the production of the book in its original context).

Also some Youtube videos :

[ungrateful-cyborg]

In reply to this because OP changed the reblog parameters between the moment I started typing and the moment I wanted to post:

It's also worth mentioning that the French Revolution succeeded because neighboring countries didn't manage to shift the situation back to the statu quo (not for lack of trying) and because Louis XVI had the political sense of a potato. Had he played the long game, I'm not sure we'd have a republic today…

Lots of people here also seem to forget that getting rid of the monarchy wasn't the point. The point, quite literally, was that the country was ruined and people were nearly dying of hunger while the nobles and the Church were exempted of paying taxes and were the only ones with the right to hunt.

People didn't revolt for the promise of an utopia. They revolted because they wanted to live.

If you can read French, I'd suggest reading Nouvelle histoire de la Révolution française, by Jean-Clément Martin. I don't think there's a translation unfortunately, but it's a comprehensive explanation of how it happened and why it worked.

A lot changed in France because people were politically invested in those changes and because the previous failed attempts at improving the situation through the century had fostered the capacity for collectively imagining something new.

And it still took us a century and a half to have a stable political system (our current republic), which one of our mainstream parties is all in favor of throwing away for a new and more democratic one. Not even a century after its creation. So that's telling you how much stability that success brought us... (<- and this isn't me saying we were better off with a monarchy, far from it)

(As for the article mentioned in the post above, I second the rec. It's a very interesting read that might be able to help people understand what's at stake—on a strategical level—with things like BLM protests or BDS.

It's also interesting to mention that they started their research to prove that violent resistance indeed works better than nonviolence and realized, when analyzing their data, that actually no, it doesn't.)

[lanterne]

What would you say it’s the biggest misconception about French revolution?

Remember when months ago we had a run in with someone seriously believing that literal toddlers were guillotined during the terror because the scarlet pimpernel said so? Also the idea that the guillotine was the #1 cause of death during the frev, no it wasn't. Or that Robespierre was a dictator with full control and authority if he was he would have a better reputation today (like napoleon 🤡)

I got the perfect book for you anon, if you know french. La Terreur, verités et legendes by Jean-Clément Martin gives you a shopping list of misconceptions and debunks them in 3 pages or less. You can find it on certain libraries of z or genes :) I haven't finished it but it should be a decent starter

[robespapier]

I'll forever side-eye Paul Chopelin for liking Guillon's book:

I mean maybe, mayyyybe not everything in it is trash...but it still a book which, among other bullshit, tells us Robespierre was an evil lesbian

A very very scientific, feminist book, for sure. Also, Guillon's source for "Robespierre liked to emotionally torture young women" is Courtois...

I'll never get over Chopelin praising Guillon (Jean-Clément Martin did it too).

[that-enragee]

Dear Goddess of Reason I'm reading a Soboul book for a class project and even though he says lots of important concepts and is undoubtedly one of the best Frev historians his writing style is SO BORING I feel like I'm falling asleep. Later I have to read this Jean-Clément Martin 600-pages-long book before Monday, wish me luck citizens!! 🥴

[yespat49]

Controverse sur la Terreur : Jean-Joël Brégeon vs Jean-Clément Martin

Les confrontations entre historiens sont toujours éclairantes. Ainsi, le 29 décembre dernier, l’émission Historiquement show, présentée par Jean-Christohe Buisson sur la chaîne Histoire,   avait invité Jean-Clément Martin, pour son livre « La Terreur. Vérités et légendes » (Perrin), Jean-Joël Brégeon, auteur avec Gérard Guicheteau d’un ouvrage sur « Les tyrannosaures de la République »  (Éditions…

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[montagnarde1793]

How reliable is the death toll 1793-1794 given by Donald Greer? I’ve heard that it never actually has been confirmed or looked over? But then again, historians today keep using the numbers given…

The death toll given by Greer is an estimate historians still use mostly because no one has attempted to make a more recent one, at least not for a global number. Jean-Clément Martin has published on the topic, but using older figures, including those of Greer.

It's a question that's not without its complications, since executions in Paris are well-documented, but often those taking place in zones of civil war are less so. There's also a difference between executions, deaths from disease while in prison and civil/foreign war casualties. So the number will necessarily vary depending on which categories are included.

I don't think there's any reason to think that Greer's figures are wildly off-base, but that's subject to new research. At any rate, the numbers given by Greer are long overdue for a revision.

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Pas l’temps je lis est la chronique que je tiens dans le supplément culture qui paraît chaque samedi dans le quotidien Le Temps. Ci-dessous vous trouverez la liste des livres présentés dans les chroniques. Elle permettra aux abonné.es du Temps de les retouver facilement, offrira des pistes aux lecteur.ices du blog et sera utile aux éditeurs.trices qui verront ainsi quels livres ont été retenus et auront une idée du ton de la chronique.

01 juillet 2023 - Des livres pour les vacances

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Zap Mama - Danger Of Love 08:44 Jessie Ware - You & I (Forever) (Sg Lewis Remix) 08:40 Soulchillaz - I Want You 08:36 Mellie 0 Neil - Rainy Days 08:30 Craig Armstrong - This Love 08:25 Amberland - Obelisk 08:25 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 08:20 Urban Phunk Society - Changing Spaces 08:14 Jane Maximova - Morning Bird (Feat. Dmirty Raschepkin) 08:07 Mo-' Horizons - Superworld 08:04 Thievery Corporation - Stargazer 08:00 Pat The Cat - Hotel California (Feat. Rachel Moreau) 07:55 Massive Attack - Teardrop 07:50 Zenyatta - Swimming Into Vibrations (Ibiza Downbeat Vocal Mix) 07:44 Merge Of Equals - Gravity 07:44 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 07:37 Sunyata Project - Pi Lo Chun (Extended Mix) 07:33 Linkin Park Feat. Kelli Ali - My December 07:28 Jane Maximova - Puppets 07:22 Gods Blue Chest - Close To The Sun 07:15 Lemongrass - What You Believe 07:09 Christian Hornbostel Feat. Sarah Chris - Looking Back On Tomorrow 07:03 Simon Le Grec - Touch Me 06:58 Jayson House - Time To Rest (Original Mix) 06:51 Project Blue Sun - Show Me What You Know 06:46 Magnus Wedberg - Red Stone 06:41 Hotel Riviera - Another Chance For Love 06:36 Deeper Sublime, Krapan - Je T'aime (Original Mix) 06:29 Ante Rem - Sacra Samba 06:23 Moodorama - Too Late 06:18 Cocogroove - Puerto Azul (Blue Waves Mix) 06:14 Paradise Airlines - Nassau Beach (Paradise Chillout Mix) 06:09 Jens Buchert - Helios 3 (Mind Flux Mix) 06:04 Lemongrass - Frozen Boy 05:59 From P60 - You Take Me 05:54 The Diventa Project - Still Raining (Rnb Remix) 05:54 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 05:48 Lounge Traveller - Many Places 05:42 Solanos - After The Rain (Original Mix) 05:37 Rebekka De Rosa - On A Different Page 05:32 Ku You - 40 Degrees 05:26 Aandra - Baak Waa 05:23 Youth & Troy Gunner - Under My Heart 05:18 Paul Hardcastle - In The Key Of Time 05:14 Mazelo Nostra - Angels Are Coming 05:14 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 05:08 New Beginning - Another Day 05:04 Green Rabbit - Primal Self 05:00 Stephen Emmer - Under Your Spell Ft. Chaka Khan (Moods Remix) 04:56 Jazzamor - Sometimes 04:50 Shakedown - At Night (Afterlife Remix) 04:46 Baxx - For Time To Love You 04:40 Blank & Jones - Unknown Treasure (With Claudia Brucken) 04:33 Blue Lotus - Eshu Igelu 04:29 Lunatic Soul - Time To Remember (Original) 04:24 Lemongrass - Femme Fatale 04:19 Leonard Sign - Sea Of Shinas (Beauty Atmosphere Mix) 04:14 Dzihan, Kamien - Ocean Air 04:07 Bruno Be & Alvaro Brites - Seasons 04:01 Guru Sax - People Can't Stop Chillin (Costes Buddha Hotel Mix) 03:57 Soundset City - Come With Me (Deep Lounge Cut) 03:53 Deeper Sublime - Japanese Garden (Original Mix) 03:53 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 03:47 Beach Hoppers - Bit By Bit 03:41 Atrium - Praise For The Beach 03:37 Emancipator - Jet Stream 03:31 Atb - Some Things Just Are The Way They Are 03:26 Castlebed - Heaven 03:20 Velvet Dreamer - 1000 Miles Away 03:15 Afterlife - Dub In Ya Mind (Beachclub Mix) 03:10 Hotplay - Turn Around - Guitar Del Mar Mix 03:05 Velvet Dreamer - Crystal Water (Five Seasons Remix) 02:59 4 Wings - Penelope (Original Mix From Cafe' Del Mar) 02:55 Urban Phunk Society - Self-made Paradise 02:50 Mads Arp Feat. Julie Harrington - Alive 02:45 Mirage Of Deep - Stone Words 02:41 Furns - Fortress 02:35 Boot Cut Rockers Feat. Mica Wanner - Sunflowers 02:28 Sonic Adventure Project - Haze 02:24 Groove Thievery - Killer (Bargrooves Mix) 02:19 Gary B - Never Been Free 02:15 Jakatta - It Will Be 02:10 Vargo - The Flow (Aural Float Mix) 02:10 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 02:06 Thunderball - Dub Science Feat. Zeebo 01:59 Starshine Bros - Coffe Relax 01:56 Alien Cafe - Chloe Says (Original Mix) 01:50 Cafe Americaine - Marina Beach (Guitar Flow Mix) 01:42 Vladi Strecker - Meditation In The City (Smooth Evening Cut) 01:38 Five Seasons - Dreams Come True 01:33 Atb Feat. Melissa Loretta - White Letters 01:28 Jens Buchert - Luminous 01:27 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 01:23 Frost - Amygdala 01:16 March & Starseeds - Strange Planet (Zouk Mix) 01:10 Dj Mnx - Emotions May Fly 01:06 Kidnap Kid - First Light 01:05 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 01:02 Malkou - Chateau De Vincennes 00:58 Mark One & Kevin Shawn - Between The Lines 00:55 Mara J Boston - Precious Diamond 00:50 Eriq Johnson - Femme Fatale 00:49 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 00:45 Sven Van Paapen - Love Me Slow (Smooth Vocal Flair Mix) 00:40 Faro - Subtle Land 00:34 Christos Fourkis - If You Love Me 00:29 Pier-O Feat. Marga Sol - Air Of Love (Original Mix) 00:24 Dream Pawn Shop - We Are Looking For Love (Vocal Chill Mix) (Ft. Shima Premal) 00:19 Merge Of Equals - Don't You Know 00:14 Riccardo Eberspacher - Malay 00:09 Club Salinero - Shade In The Sun 00:09 Jingle - Radiosun.ro 00:06 Peter Pearson - A Walk In The Park

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Le clip de « Boyfriend » est disponible !

Réalisé par Studio L’Etiquette et produit par Newlightfilms

Productrice exécutive : Virna Martini

Productrice senior : Cléo Ferenczi

Directeur de production : Amine Ketem

Post producer: Bianca Benloukil

Coordinatrice de production : Marie Marsan

Assistante de production : Juliette Unsworth

Special Thanks : Newlighfilms, Johanne Olesen et Marie Alegre

DOP : Caroline Champetier

1er assistant réalisateur : Zadig Hein

2e assistante réalisateur : Romane Humbert

1er assistant OPV : Hugo Martin

2e assistant OPV : Thibault Walckiers

3e assistant OPV: Téo Fery

Chef électricien : Laurent Bourgeat

Best boy : Camille Houguenague

Électricien : Adèle Arlot Belliot et Guillaume Mandin

Chef machiniste : Walter Xavier

Machiniste : Thierry Ramanana et David Bigard

Hair & Make up Etienne Daho : Gil Lesage

Stylist : Aurélien Storny & Alexandre Misericordia

Stylist assistant : Alena Ballet

Set Design : Antoine Lamperière

1st assistant : Gustave Birchier

Ripper: Allegra Mangifesta et Jules Reyes

SFX : David Laurent

Choreographer : Clément Gyselink

Régisseur général : Jean-Pascal Mabille

Régisseur : Bastien Labat, Eric Schmidt et Pierre Boussiquet

Makeup : Elodie Barrat

Assistant : Marine Oketokoun et Emilie Krutul

Hair : Delphine Bonnet

Avec la participation de : Andy Gillet, Brice Michelini, Nassim Guizani, Gaspard Bellisant, Lily Rose Ciannamea, Marguerite Monat, Lili Felder, Theo Treil, Chiara Corbetta, Axel Prepont, Marie Clo Ramos Ibanez, Val Wairimu, Ambre Cuissu, Natascha Wiese, Kolya Mykola Shipov, Natacha Le Jeune, Marine Sigsimeau, Julia Coma, Paul Mulocher, Bianca O’Brien, Bastien Hegedus, Mohamed Bougenghour, Justine Ponthieux

Post-production: Firm

Post producer Firm: Coralie Duarte & Clémence Gasnier

Editor: Léo Gatelier

Assistante monteur: Camille Miranda

Etalonneur: Nicolas Gautier

Assistant TC: Etienne Glaudeix

Graphiste 3D: Benoît Revilliod

Flamiste: Jonathan Lagache, Christophe Croidieu, Tristan Barbaron et Philippe Szabo

Graphiste 2D : Olivier Stéphant, Simon Bouicanges et Antoine Richy

Remerciements :

Sophie Bramly et l’équipe Barclay (Jérome Marroc-Latour, Laurence Ferracci, Paul François Thierry , Marina Hanna)

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