#ML Season 3

[heart-of-the-morningstar]

Friendly reminder that he killed 7 billion+ people in an alternate timeline

[eggheadsguidetorunning]

I just realized of all the Miraculous Marinette uses she never uses any of the time based Miraculous. She gives Sass first to Adrien and then to Luka and otherwise never uses him. Even during Miracle Queen she gives Sass to Chat Noir/Adrien again. In Evolution she gives the Rabbit Miraculous to Chat Noir/Adrien. There are a lot of reasons for this that are more proper (i.e. showing trust in Chat Noir when he thinks he lost trust in Ladybug) but the funny one I haven't seen mentioned is the simplest.

Marinette is horrible at time management and bad at using time thus she does not want to use a time miraculous because she is bad enough with time as it is.

[bellzsad]

please put your reasonings in the comments!!

[p0mmia]

M A R I N E T T E 🍧🌿 *mûre sauvage x menthe poivrée

K A G A M I 🍨🍊 *orange x menthe poivrée . . .

Miraculous Ladybug, Season 3 finale 🐞🐾 — Mangeamour (Heart Hunter) part. 1

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[imaginemae]

The scene is funny but it’s also messed up.

Adrien risks his life fighting people with superpowers every day with a smile on his face, but when it comes to his Father, he is a bundle of fear.

You can see the anxiety on his face as soon as he throws the plate on Gabriel

When Adrien goes to comfort him, he immediately takes his hands away like he’s scared that physical contact will set Gabriel off

And he apologizes incessantly and tries to verbally confirm that Gabriel is angry

The boy is is having a trauma response.

[blueberry-macaron]

Marinette and Luka weren‘t supposed to kiss once but TWICE in the s3 finale

WE WERE SO ROBBED

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Ladybug was supposed to kiss Cat Blanc in the script, Mariblanc shippers in ruins lmao.

I’m in shambles

[bluenoisen]

the character design of all time

[character-fan19]

So I calculated the exact screen time for all the love square ships in season 3...

I'm back again. Season 3 is finally complete. If you'd like to see my previous post, click here. Before we get into this, for newcomers and old faces (since there are new rules)...

Some Ground Rules

What I did and didn't count as screen time for the love square ships:

Both characters of the ship must be present in the scene for it to count as screen time for that ship and by that I mean the real versions of them. So Felix pretending to Adrien doesn't count.

At least one of the characters must be interacting with the other or both of them need to be doing something together for it to count because we can't have them acting like background characters and call that screen time.

If one of the characters believes that they are interacting with the alter ego of the character, it will count as screen time for that ship. Meaning Aspik with Ladybug will be counted as Ladrien because Ladybug knows that this is Adrien.

In case of group interactions, the screen time will only count if the interaction is specifically between the two characters or if one of the character's reaction to the other is given focus.

In case of reveal scenarios, screen time will be counted as whatever alter ego they are in. I debated with myself whether to count Box Noir and Ladybug as Ladynoir or Ladrien but I ultimately decided on Ladrien as Adrien isn't using the actual Cat Miraculous.

Now on to the data.

Screen Time Distribution

It seems that with every season, Ladynoir decreases in screen time as in season 1, it was 76 %, in season 2, it was 71.5 % and now in season 3, it's 68.7 %. Will this trend continue in future seasons? I guess will just have to see. But as usual it still has the most screen time. Also as usual, Adrienette follows behind, having improved in screen time from 19.7 % to 21.2 %. Similar to last season Ladrien comes in 3rd, having the same 6 % of screen time it did last season but being above Maricat by much less, it's screen time having been increased from 2.8 % to 4.2 %.

In terms of the overall distribution up until now, Adrienette has increased by 0.4 %, Ladynoir has decreased by 1.3 %, Maricat increased by 0.3 % and Ladrien increased by 0.5 %. So now we have Ladynoir still on top with 72 % of the screen time which is 5 hr 16 min 55 sec, Adrienette 19.8 % of the screen time with h is 1 hr 26 min 38 sec, Ladrien with 4.7 % of the screen time which is 20 min 35 sec, and Maricat 3.2 % of the screen time which is 14 min 10 sec.

Screen Time Trend

Similar to last season, Ladynoir took some hits, from 6 episodes, two of them being right next to each other, that is, "Oblivio" and "Desparada". Also similar to last season we had a string of Ladynoir exclusive episodes from "Gamer 2.0" to "Timetagger" which helped to prop up Ladynoir in the screen time distribution department. It's average screen time per episode is much less than the previous 2 seasons, with it being 3 min 34 sec.

Adrienette made love square screen time history in "Oblivio" by having more screen time than any ship has ever had in an episode with 9 min 3 sec of it. It one-upped Ladynoir in other episodes as well such as "Chameleon" and "The Puppeteer 2", but not by as much as it did in "Oblivio". It had an average screen time of 1 min 6 sec.

The designated Maricat episode of the season finally dethroned Ladynoir for the episode, with it having 3 min 57 sec of screen time in "Weredad", the most screen time it's ever gotten. It's average screen time per episode has slightly increased from the last 2 seasons, with it now being 13 sec.

Ladrien had also gotten more screen time than it's ever gotten before, having 5 min 35 sec of screen time in "Desparada" which also made it the ship with the most screen time in that episode. It's average screen time per episode is 19 sec.

We also had the first episode to ever include screen time for all the love square ships and what better episode to hold that title than "Cat Blanc".

Conclusion

That's it for now. Feel free to make your own observations with this data. Until next time!

[familyagrestefanblog]

Lila in "Recreation"

I think for me one of, if not THE most scary implications of the season 5 finale is at the beginning we see that Lila stole everything from Tomoe's control laptop (?)

with which Tomoe the entire time already had full control of the Agreste mansion as we found out in "Recreation

Meaning not only was the Agreste mansion - Adrien's home for all his life - never save for him in the first place because of Tomoe (which does put things more into perspective)

Now this access to Adrien's home is in Lila's hands after she already has all the information on Gabriel since "Revelation". I think "Oni-Chan" just became one of the most relevant episodes regarding Lila's character again cause there she already got into Adrien's home and then going after Kagami like in said episode of s3 who 'coincidentally' was one of Lila's main victims this season.

Everything about Lila in the finale episode feels like a pay-off to "Oni-Chan" something I didn't even remotely had on my mind going into this, but remembering that episode suddenly makes ALOT of things make much more sense concerning her character overall and her motivation. I think I will take a MUCH closer look at Lila's character from now on.

Though the most alarming thing for me is that not only does Lila immediately look to the father-son portrait of which we only see Adrien, visually telling us who she was looking at,

She's standing here not even looking like a malicious villain. She calmly and content with the world looks at Adrien first and then at Ladybug and Monarque in the basement of Adrien's wrecked home with a face of "a job well done"

There is no malice in her face and that's by far the scariest part. She planned this and when she sees her work paying-off she isnt feeling malicious glee, she's just calm and pleased.

We are so NOT ready for Lila! Though thinking about it it kinda should have been obvious. Even if Miraculous changes things up they still keep the same core elements of the story, so it shouldnt be any surprise that Adrien in the new beginning will once again be placed in the Butterfly's grasp and looking at Lila here I think she's gonna be a bit smarter about it than Gabriel before her.

[pauly6212]

Found this video of a ladybird bothering a black cat and it reminded me of the dynamics of the fifth season

[xelidonia]

thinking about Heart Hunter again

Specifically, this one frame, right at Marinette's moment of decision:

Marinette sees pink bubbles around both of them.

Usually, Marinette's Adrien-vision causes everyone else to fade away... but not here. Both of them are at the focus.

Conclusion: Marinette has crushes on both Adrien and Kagami.

[adrinoir]

Lesbian Headcanons Pt. 2: Kagami

I feel like this is a pretty popular headcanon already. In fact, I’ve already talked about it a bit lol. But truthfully, there’s still so much more to break down. So let’s get into it!

It seems she misconstrued her own feelings towards Adrien

Kagami has shown a lot of comphet type behavior, especially when she was trying to get with Adrien. Lemme explain.

One sign of compulsory heterosexuality is mistaking your platonic relationship with a boy as romantic feelings. In Ikari Gozen, it was proven that Kagami’s mother is so strict that she won’t even let her try to make friends other than Adrien. But even though they’re friends, Tomoe won’t even allow her to have Adrien’s number.

So, with these strict rules limiting her to just one friendship (at the beginning of her debut in the show), she only has Adrien to see as a friend and potential romantic partner. Seeing as how he’s the sweet and cute guy, it’s easy to mistake this kind, relatable connection + aesthetic attraction as a romantic one. That’s not to say she doesn’t care about Adrien, she clearly does a whole lot. But, notice how once she tries to date him, she’s quick to notice the red flags yet she still forces and convinces herself that she wants to be with him.

A veil was lifted after dating Adrien

Like I had just mentioned, she got a pretty good idea of Adrien once she started dating him. She chose to ignore his behavior at first and convinced herself that she’s in love with him but was able to quickly break up with him when this behavior kept continuing.

Kagami is a very smart cookie. I’m glad she noticed that Adrien was being secretive and figured out he wasn’t right for her. Very quickly after their relationship ended, she started encouraging Marinette to confess her feelings to him. She also very quickly believed that Marinette and Adrien are the ones who are right for each other.

What’s interesting is how she’s suddenly completely supportive of Marinette’s feelings for Adrien and Adrien’s feelings for Marinette. Getting over her breakup with him wasn’t hard. She didn’t try to tear the two of them apart; there was no sabotaging nor jealousy involved. So that leaves the question: how did she suddenly become so supportive?

Kagami is a genuinely caring person. She’s also very strong and capable of taking care of herself. But, breakups still aren’t easy for most people. I’m suspicious there’s more reasons as to how she was able to move on so quickly. That ties into my theory that she realized she has romantic feelings for Marinette (which I’ll talk about more in the next section).

OR, she just realized she’s not into men as a whole like she thought she was. Now that she’s been put out into the world by Marinette, she’s able to see and talk to more girls. Having more social interactions with people can easily help determine what attracts her and what doesn’t. She no longer only has Adrien as a friend and potential romantic partner, she has many other possibilities now.

Her behavior around Marinette is different

Kagami was comfortable with Adrien from the start. From the get go, he was more taken aback by her.

However, Kagami was pretty nervous the first time she had one-on-one time with Marinette in Ikari Gozen. Kagami, who’s usually pretty confident and up front, got scared to talk to Marinette.

I have a theory that she has a bit of a crush on Marinette. All of that sudden nervous behavior and struggling so much just to try to make conversation with her is pretty telling. You’d expect someone like Kagami to be fine making conversation with someone, considering she was able to fight and speak to cute super model Adrien Agreste. But nope. Marinette makes her a bit timid, very much as if she has a crush on her.

She wanted to know more about Marinette and to genuinely become her friend. It’s sweet. Obviously it wasn’t good when Marinette didn’t trust her at first. But, it’s good she learned very quickly that Kagami just wants to be accepted and have friends at the very least.

I love their dynamic after that day, too. Marinette really grew to like and care about Kagami. She’s comfortable enough having her number and checking on her (even in person). They have potential to be a great couple if Adrien wasn’t in the picture. But because he’s Marinette’s love, Kagami didn’t want to get in the way. It’s still a o sad, I hope she finds someone. It’d be really cool if she ended up finding a girlfriend.

She was able to click with Marinette easily - just like Zoe was able to

Marinette is shown as a very likable character. She has a lot of friends, especially ones in school.

However, what I loved is that they had specific episodes with a strong focus on her befriending Kagami and Zoe, not just Alya. Like, why would they have episodes with such a heavy focus on these friendships if they didn’t mean a whole lot?

From the beginning, like I had mentioned in my precious section, Kagami was nervous around Marinette like a crush and since then, they’ve developed a very good bond rather quickly. It mirrors Zoe in a sense, not in a way of how Zoe was able to up and give Marinette her number during their very first conversation, but in how their bond became so strong in such a quick amount of time. 

Marinette has shown signs of struggling to open up to people, including those in her own friend group. In fact, she doesn’t individually hang out with any of the other girls in her school friend circle besides Alya, and then of course Kagami and Zoe who aren’t even in her class.

So, considering she was so quick to trust Kagami and Zoe - especially as miraculous holders - shows that there’s a different bond there in comparison to the rest of her classmate girl friends.

It was also incredible seeing Marinette prioritize Kagami first when she heard about her and Adrien’s breakup. Kagami was also very quick to deny that she still had any romantic feelings for Adrien.

That situation mirrors Marinette trying to stick by Zoe when she noticed her behavior changed because of Chloe’s influence. Marinette didn’t prioritize trying to sabotage Chloe in any sort of way, she just wanted to be there for Zoe and her new adjustment living in Paris instead of New York.

Another important reason that I compare Zoe and Kagami is that Zoe is canonically queer (as seen in Deflagration), and Kagami’s behavior and relationship with Marinette are similar to hers. Even though Kagami isn’t openly flirtatious with any girls, she still shows some obvious signs that she may not be straight and that she has a strong relationship with Marinette for a reason (ahem, she likes her).

Something else to compare could be how Zoe was originally scared to be more open with people about who she truly is. Despite Kagami being very up front and honest, she hides parts of herself away that she’s slowly becoming more open about, like Zoe did. I’m willing to bet if Tomoe wasn’t a strict mother, Kagami would be able to be more open about herself and find out what she enjoys instead of being very uptight.

She got defensive when she first interacted with Chloe

Ah, yes. My other sapphic girl, Chloe. I had mentioned this interaction in part one of my lesbian headcanon posts. But since this directly relates to Kagami, let’s talk about her again.

Her and Kagami were only shown speaking in Animaestro, however it’s a very interesting and unusual kind of interaction. Lemme explain.

Chloe is usually very bossy towards just about everyone who she believes is below her (popularity and wealth wise). She didn’t even know Kagami and told her to get out of “her seat.” But Kagami didn’t take any of that.

Kagami instead defended herself right away. Threw the harshness right back in Chloe’s face, enough to scare/intimidate her - someone who’s always the big bad bully. Kagami wasn’t scared of her and instead was the one to scare Chloe off.

One could argue that this is a stretch because “how is she nervous around her potential crush, Marinette, but not Chloe?” Well, just because she quickly defended herself doesn’t necessarily mean she wasn’t nervous. In fact, if she’s that quick to dish back at Chloe, she’s at least somewhat intimidated having her there and wanted to drive her away.

Think about how Kagami could’ve said, “Look. There’s a chair right over there. Sorry, I’m not moving.” or could’ve just left, letting Chloe take her spot. But she didn’t. She 1) either got bad vibes from Chloe and didn’t want her around, or 2) she was quickly intimidated by her too and didn’t want to have to interact with her for that reason.

Also consider this. Kagami was still in that stage of being completely convinced that she loved Adrien. One could think that anyone else who seemed interested in Adrien needs to be tossed aside. However, she didn’t throw Marinette out of her life just because she liked Adrien. So then what was it that made her so quickly defend herself when Chloe came in? I’m thinking intimidation. She’s this stunning, upper class girl who isn’t afraid to be up front just like Kagami. That could be easily intimidating for someone like Kagami, especially if she’s sapphic. Chloe mirrors her intimidation and comphet behavior.

Conclusion

Holy toledo are there a lot of signs that Kagami is gay. That was a lot to break down but it makes a lot of sense.

Kagami’s behavior, interactions, appearance, etc just give off very closeted lesbian vibes. I sense it.

Now, I’ve said I really like the Lukagami ship too. I still stand by that. However, it would make even more sense if it turns out that she isn’t straight but lesbian.

Kagami still has a lot to figure out about herself. Her being canonically gay and finally realizing this in the show would be an incredible character arc.

[nothingtherefornow]

Maybe the ML fandom is not as hopeless as I thought

So I once heard that the Miraculous fandom on Reddit was the most horrible to Marinette, and I can't deny that because most of the time, I find a lot of comments unfairly hating on Marinette and totally misunderstanding her character. But fortunately, not all the fans on Reddit are like that, and I've recently found somoene who seems to understand and appreciate Marinette's character a lot and made a very good and accurate analysis about her.

The best part ? This fan perfectly explained why Marinette is not a stalker but a girl who feels the needs to control everything until the end of season 4.

Here is the link for this analysis :

Also for those who could have wondered why Marinette still tried to pursue a relationship with Chat Noir during Ephemeral and between Passion and Elation, this analysis opines that Marinette thought she was able to circumvent the events of Cat Blanc, she thought that by being carefull enough, she could still avoid this apocalyptic future even while being romantically involved with chat Noir. I found it interresting to mention it because myself I often wondered why Marinette's trauma didn't stop her for those instances

And I also found this comment about Zoé on Reddit :

I can't wait for Derision to comes out, because hopefully, once everyone in the ML fandom had watched this episode, we'll see a lot less Chloé stans and apologists in the ML fandom, hopefully.

[imaginemae]

If I was Nathalie I would be blackmailing the hell out of Gabriel for every little thing!

Oh you won’t let Adrien go to the movies with his friends? How about I tell him about his Mom’s corpse downstairs?

Oh, you won’t let Adrien have friends over? How about I EXPOSE you for forgetting his birthday last year?

Oh, you don’t want Adrien dating someone who isn’t rich or famous? HOW ABOUT I LET EVERYONE KNOW YOU CATACLYSMED YOURSELF BECAUSE OF SOME GRUDGE YOU HAVE AGAINST SUPERPOWERED CHILDREN

[nono-bunny]

Marinette becoming the guardian was the worst thing to happen to ML imo

Like I kinda feel like the entire purpose behind making Marinette the guardian was to invalidate the “Adrien should have been the main character” beyond the whole thing with Thomas calling people misogynistic, except it backfired because she’s a terrible fucking guardian? Like legit even when she was merely a guardian apprentice she did an awful job, and while I personally believe that she’s also a bad Ladybug in general... That’s much more subjective than her being a bad guardian who is solely responsible for her predecessor's downfall and for losing all the miraculouses to HM

Like even beyond my own personal growing dislike of her, Mari/LB salt has just been on a pretty steep rise ever since she was given more narrative importance in season 3, because she is legitimately unqualified for her role and keeps messing up in really annoying and stupid ways she doesn’t even learn from. I know a lot of people are aware of the ways Adrien/Chat became a worse character just to lift Mar/LB up, but like. Even she herself became insufferable once she stopped being merely a lucky teenage hero doing her best and went straight into being the undisputed leader of all Parisian heroes- she legit just doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt anymore. Her incompetence used to be a relatable and endearing character trait, but now it just truly feels out of place with how the show expects us to believe in and root for her when she’s just given power ups or narrative prizes every time she majorly fucks up. Failures aren’t the end of the road, and that’s a good message for a TV show to portray, but at the same time they shouldn’t be ignored beyond serving as one off emotional hooks the show uses as an excuse to launch into a completely different character state almost entirely off screen. There is literally nothing about season 5 that explains why the “reverse love square” is happening in it specifically out of nowhere, nothing to explain why ONLY Mari got a random visual upgrade in season 4, and there’s nothing that makes sense about how the solution to most of the part-time heroes being exposed is to just employ more of them.

I have always been a pretty vocal fan of Chloe, and obviously I hate what happened to her in Miracle Queen and season 4, but she absolutely wasn’t the only victim there- pretty much all of the plot stuff I truly actively dislike about ML now are a result of that episode, and more specifically, of Marinette now being the guardian. Master Fu was a shitty mentor and guardian, for sure, but... I infinitely prefer him in the role than Mari, because the moment she assumed the role in full was the moment I truly started disliking her, and, honestly, even the show itself to a degree. With great power comes great responsibility, and Mari isn’t responsible enough to be able to carry it alongside the heavy burden of being the likeable main character without failing at both, unfortunately.