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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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Fixer: Sir, are people always so illogical or I'm the weird clone here?
Vau: You're perfectly fine, Fixer. It's people who are weird.
Fixer: mhm
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cienie-isengardu · 1 year
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My RepCom Musing: if there were (clone) strills everything would be much better
For me, the biggest missed opportunity & disappointment of the Republic Commando story is that NO ONE APPARENTLY CAME UP WITH IDEA TO CLONE MIRD. And I swear, everyone would be better off with strill puppies (kittens?) around. Like seriously. Vau? Mird is what kept Vau alive and happy for decades and is literally what makes Vau soft and caring. Now multiply Mird and Vau won’t magically change from hardened veteran & harsh training sergeant into overprotective, overemotional dad, sure, but it would definitely make it easier for him to show his care and deeply hidden emotions once each squad of his batch gets a cute lil clone!Mird to take care of (and be taken care of in return). Can you imagine all the cadets’ excitement and wonder for their own strill, for the unconditional love and loyalty of an highly intelligent and smart animal and for the Vau’s trust given alongside it? All the things boy!Vau must feel at some point too, when he was stuck with an abusive family or shortly after leaving them and be on his own in an unknown, uncaring galaxy? Can you imagine him swarmed by the puppies and clones with a thousand and one question on how to deal with strill so he could unleash all his love for Mird on everyone around?
Or Atin, after losing his first batch mates? Or even after Geonosis? No point for violence when you can drop an emotional support animal on a hurt, depressed human being. Deltas too could benefit from lil Mird. What could be better than a strill for emotionally stunted people with even more an emotionally shut down trainer? Beside the whole long-term therapy, I mean.  
Jango too should get a strill, the man is like one, walking trauma and Boba would be better to hang out with a loyal pet than Aurra Sing or other assholes.
Where is a cute lil clone!Mird for each squad of Vau’s batch, I demand to know?! A loyal strill  to make everything better? WHY NONE OF YOU in-universe SMARTASS THOUGHT TO GIVE MIRD A BUNCH OF SMALL PUPPIES (KITTENS) TO MAKE KAMINO A BIT BETTER PLACE FOR THE STRILL, VAU AND CLONE CADETS? Everyone would be mentally healthier!
Well maybe beside Kal who could have a heart attack once Jaing brought the strill puppy or two or a whole pack and Skirata was forced to explain how that happened to overprotective Vau & Mird XDDD 
UNLESS Vau wanted to do so but Kaminoans, remembering that this animal hunts them down out of boredom decided FUCK NO. Then I will accept the canon as it is, but only then…
(I do remember Vau sicing Mird on Ordo in book canon but I will admit I do not have a clue what was the point of this action besides making us, readers, to dislike Walon on the spot. I mean, killing people and physically trashing cadets? Sure, it makes sense within his characterization. But using Mird like that without any logical reason and just for fun? Nah, I will pass. Like Ordo lacked trauma and reasons to dislike strill and Vau when Kal had plenty of his own complaints about Walon to pass to his kids.)
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cienie-isengardu · 1 year
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Laseema: "… Etain can’t take care of her baby, Darman doesn’t know he has a kid and I kinda lie now on a daily basis about the whole babysitting Kal’s grandson to Atin too? I feel like I’m betraying his trust but I can’t tell him I know who Kad'ika's parents are, can I? And what if Atin will hate me for this once the truth will come to light? Because Etain and Kal will tell Darman about the baby one day, right. They will tell him, RIGHT? And there is this jerk at work that won’t stop bothering me and can you believe that asshole was yesterday waiting for me outside when my shift has ended? I wish I learned how to use the knife like Atin proposed but I guess it wouldn’t help me much against that bastard; he looked like he wouldn't mind breaking my arm and, you know, do worse stuff. I KNOW, I should tell Kal but he is so busy with… whatever he is doing anyway and Jusik is on Mandalore with Fi, Ordo is already freaked out about Fi and Besany’s safety and I don’t wanna be a burden. I can’t even comm Atin because he is on a mission on the other galaxy’s side, ya know, commando stuff and even if he could comm me, I can’t tell him because I don’t wanna him be upset and distracted over something he can’t do anything about anyway. I couldn’t forgive myself if he got killed because of my problems. Pathetic, right Mird? 
Oh, did I upset you? Sorry Mird, I just needed to rant a bit but don’t worry, I will figure something out. I know what will cheer you up! What is the word Walon is always saying? Oh, right. OYA! Whatever that means Wish I know whatcha thinking right now. Something nice, I bet.
Mird: [HUNT HUNT HUNT HUNT HUNT...]
[part 2] [part 3]
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cienie-isengardu · 1 year
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My RepCom Musing: Vau’s knowledge about Jedi
The books give us a lot of hints that Vau has a wide spectrum of interests, be it technology or medical/anatomical knowledge (more to use in taking people apart than healing but still) or collecting data about living beings and/or their skills. The last one is especially true in regard to Jedi, especially in context of Vau’s personal dislike for Jedi for what happened on Galidraan - even if for a large part of the story the feeling does not disturb much his civil interaction with the force-sensitive characters around him.
Vau did learn a lot about Jedi and had some interesting insight about them through the course of three books.
TRIPLE ZERO:
(Witnessing Etain's method during interrogation of Orjul)
 There was a sharp gasp from Orjul and Vau looked around. Whatever Etain was doing, she wasn't even touching him. Just staring.
    "Kal, those people scare me more than Orjul does” Vau said.
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(After an unfortunate meeting with agent Besanny and Gurlanin)
Etain and Jusik were kneeling on either side of the Gurlanin, hands flat on its flanks in some kind of Jedi healing process. Vau watched with interest. He was the anatomy expert, although he was more skilled at taking bodies apart than repairing them.  
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(Etain and Vau working together to eliminate a target)
"Could you choke him using the Force?" Vau said quietly.
 "What?"
"Just asking. Very handy."
"I was never trained to do that."
"Pity. All those fine combat skills wasted."
TRUE COLORS:
(Delta Squad and Jusik getting the needed information in search for Ko Sai)
"Yeah, the questions might be harmless, but you're not..." Leb now looked past Scorch and spotted Jusik jogging across the permacrete, Jedi robes flapping. "Oh yeah, now the Jedi's going to zap me with his Force powers, isn't he? Shove a lightsaber in..."
Jusik caught up with them. He always looked as if a strong breeze would knock him over. "No lightsaber necessary, my friend. You haven't got any reason to withhold information, have you?"
When Jusik used that especially quiet, reasonable tone - and he never raised his voice anyway - Sev wasn't sure if he was using Jedi mind influence or not. There was always something disturbing about Jedi, even the approachable ones like Jusik. Sergeant Vau said it was a good idea never to turn your back on one. They weren't like regular folks.
Would I know if he was using that mind stuff on me?
Sev thought about that more and more lately. He still liked Jusik, though.
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(Jusik and Deltas while talking with Master Zey)
Jusik sat completely composed, fingers meshed as his hands rested on Zey's lovely blue desk. Sev, in I'll-wait-to-be-spoken-to mode like the rest of Delta Squad, sat to his right, helmet on lap, staring straight ahead, managing to feel that the conversation didn't involve him or his brothers at all. It was, Vau said, probably like a Jedi being in a state of meditation: aware, but not distracted. It was handy to be able to do that when your CO was getting a subtle roasting from his boss right in front of you.
ORDER 66
(The Skirata gang meeting)
"How do you lie to a Jedi Master?" Laseema asked. "Without him sensing it, that is?"
"I didn't," said Vau. "I said I'd tell him if I found Kal doing anything to help the enemy. The minute that this little shabuire opens a comlink to any former Death Watch personnel, I shall gladly turn him in."
Skirata paused for a moment, then managed to laugh. "Do I know any?"
"No, but they're the only group I'd really call my enemy. So I didn't lie, and I was genuinely emotional enough for him to believe what his Force senses told him he wanted to believe."
Laseema applauded politely. "That's a very clever technique."
"Thank you, my dear. Mando'ade are trained to acquire certain states of mind for battle, so it's an easy switch."
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(Zey confronting Vau why Kal was beaten up)
Zey clasped his hands in front of him in that Jedi way, looking slightly sideways at Vau.
"Trying to sense any dark side in me, General?" Vau asked.
"You don't feel remotely dark. Quite serene, actually."
"I've been told that before, and that should set off your warning bells, jetii. Your senses need recalibrating. None of you can feel darkness right under your noses."
&
Vau gave him a thumbs-up gesture and walked away toward the accommodation wing. So what did he know about a big assault? There was always one coming, and Vau was good at leaving everyone wondering just how much he knew, just enough revealed to make folks take notice of him.
He knew an awful lot about Jedi, that was for sure.
Scorch slapped down his own curiosity and told it to behave. He didn't care how Vau knew. He was just glad that he did and he trusted him, because Vau's words always came back to him from those first days on Kamino.
Everything I do from this moment on is to make sure you survive to fight. Even if I don't.
As Scorch noted, Vau knew an awful lot about Jedi - what shouldn’t be that surprising if the book series alone consistently showed the Mandalorian taking notes about force-sensitive people, either from asking them about their skills or observing said skills when used. Though Mandalorians have a rocky relationship with Jedi Order for millennials (and there is a great shift from Mandalorian Wars era to modern time in how Mando perceived them), the Galidraan was devastating event for True Mandalorians so Vau’s special interest in Jedi may come years before Clone Wars even started. Especially if we take into account how Walon Vau and Jango Fett had a much closer bond than Kal and Jango ever had:
Vau had been far closer to Jango Fett than Skirata ever had. He understood - perhaps too late, but eventually - the depth of Fett's loathing of the Jedi. [IC: 501st]
 The gaining knowledge about “enemy” may be Vau’s way preparing for the worst  - interestingly, Vau shared his knowledge/observations about Jedi with Delta Squad (although how much of those opinions were shared during the Kamino era and how much during war is sadly hard to determine), maybe even as to increase their chance of survival in the war.
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cienie-isengardu · 1 year
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My RepCom Musing: The use of “psycho” and “crazy” and similar terms
Not sure where my research will ultimately lead me as I’m still collecting data how RepCom book series treated the potential mental illness and/or the perception of the “psycho” characters - something I've been meaning to write for some time in regard to Walon Vau and Sev, but for now I would like to share a few observations made so far:
There is a visible difference in how Walon Vau and Kal Skirata approach the topic of potential mental illness of their clone commandos, which I think fits their introvert and extrovert natures well. As far as I can say, Walon in general is not talking with outsiders about his men’s mental state - he acknowledged (think) Sev is “psychotic” and lacks “the most basic social graces“ [True Colors] or confronted Scorch about his breakdown [Order 66] but we don’t see him revealing much of their traumas or how horrible was their training to anyone who wasn’t already a part of said training program (and we know that Vau and Skirata argued about that a lot). In contrast, Skirata talked surprisingly a lot to other characters about what happened to Ordo/Nulls or occasionally to Omegas, usually to explain why his sons act in this way. This happened with Etain and Obrim and even Fi, though how Ordo feels about his trauma being talked with “outsiders” is not really brought by narrative. 
Granted, both men are using different frames from what they count normal (good) - Vau is operating in the good soldier zone (as being a soldier has a special meaning for him related to his own fucked up childhood) while Skirata focuses on family life (something he failed at once and many clones may never have a chance to experience) but that is a topic for another time.
Similarly, Delta Squad and Atin(?) are rarely seen calling other characters as the psycho, especially in a negative way. Scorch did use that name for Sev, but either Deltas were in their own company or Scorch made an observation about his brother’s behavior as he was worrying about him a lot in Order 66. Frankly, as far as my research showed, Deltas did not call Walon Vau the “Old Psycho” but they did at least twice called Skirata “crazy” (True Colors and Order 66). Interestingly, the majority of “psycho” and “crazy” terms - in context of mental illness / dangerous behavior - used by clones alone in the books comes from Omega (those members originally trained by Kal) and Nulls. 
Old Psycho, as a nickname for Vau was used twice (or so I assume) by Fi and once by Mereel. Bonker Squad as a nickname for Nulls was used by Fi and Darman/Niner and Skirata who coined this term. 
  "Your buddy ... ," Darman teased.
    "Rather have him for a friend than an enemy."
    "Ooh, he likes you. Hobnobbing with ARC officers from the Bonkers Squad, eh?"
    "We have an understanding," Fi said. "I don't laugh at his skirt, and he doesn't rip my head off."
    Yes, Ordo had taken a shine to him. Fi hadn't fully understood it until Skirata had taken him to one side and explained just what had happened to Ordo and his batch on Kamino as kids. So when Fi had thrown himself on a grenade during an anti-terrorist op to smother the detonation, Ordo had marked him out as someone who'd take an awfully big risk to save comrades. Null ARCs were psychotic-bonkers, as Skirata put it-but they were unshakably loyal when the mood struck them. [Triple Zero]
 There are also variations of the “All Nulls are psychos / crazy” statement, quite often coming from Omega, Kal or Nulls themselves. Interestingly, Vau at the beginning of True Colors described them simply as hooligans (rather than psychos) and it was put in contrast to Sev and Vau’s men in general (the good soldiers) while Vau seems to be more prone to call Skirata the crazy one than Nulls. 
Also, it seems like most of the psycho/crazy statements or rumors repeated(?) started with Skirata and was adapted by his men at some point? Like:
mentioned Bonker Squad for Nulls (used solely by him and Omega)
the not best opinion about ARC even if Nulls are the psychos themselves? (“but an ARC who'd gone AWOL was-impossible. Jango Fett had raised and trained them personally, with an emphasis on absolute loyalty to the Republic. Sergeant Kal said that Jango was an unhinged shabuir, but he always stuck to his contract, and that contract had included creating a loyal, totally reliable army. Darman had heard rumors to the contrary, and the Nulls were living crazy proof that a clone soldier could be as eccentric and wayward as any random human, but nothing had ever been confirmed.) As in “Jango was an unhinged shabuir and because he trained ARCs, they are like that too” kind of logic?
And considering that Deltas do not call Walon Vau as the Old Psycho but Fi and Mereel used that nickname, I think it is safe to assume this comes from Skirata too?
Additionally, I made a working diagram - it's not fully correct, as for now I focused on looking for specific phrases (psycho and crazy, bonker or those specific moments that I remembered), but for curiosity's sake I'm posting it in regard to Nulls, Vau and Sev as they are the most prominent characters in regard to “psycho” nickname.
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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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My RepCom Musing: Beware of the quiet ones [Delta Squad]
Sev is often seen by other characters as the psycho and through various tie-in material, his brothers and even Vau showed concern for his mental state, which is especially true for game-related stuff and Scorch’s POV in Republic Commando: Order 66 (and is a topic for another time). And sure, he is the born hunter that may take too much satisfaction in killing his enemies, with the grim, blood-like marks on his armor, dark sense of the humor and all but at the same time, game and other sources point out that Sev
is sniper and ambush expert
his favorite weapon is sniper rifle
and this makes it clear his primary combat tactic is all about hitting before the enemy has a chance to take notice of him. He is far from being a berserker that chooses a melee fight above his and his brothers’ safety. Quite the opposite, Sev as a sniper is requested to keep a relatively safe distans, and as ambush expert, is there to take out the enemy by surprise.
And this is how in game we were introduced to Sev on Geonosis - him ambushing two enemy soldiers which is an awesome introduction sure, but hardly has anything “psycho” about the man who calculated the odds and used an opportunity in an effective, smart way to eliminate the danger.
What is ironic about Psycho Sev, is exactly this. He definitely likes combat and is good at it but between him and the rest of Deltas, he is hardly the most extreme.
Boss is really the only one balanced member of Delta Squad, Scorch is the pyromaniac who enjoys his job - and destruction - way too much and Fixer…  Fixer is the uncomplicated and by-the-book clone (a favorite of “borderline sociopath” Vau) whose expertise has nothing to do with combat. He is a computer slicer, an expert of technology (like Vau) yet his favorite weapon is the vibroblade (and Vau has a knack for blades too, hasn’t he with the whole traditional beskar sword that sadly was mentioned once and then totally forgotten).
Boss (player) and Scorch’s first meeting with Fixer on Geonosis is watching their “uncomplicated” brother literally strangling/breaking neck of enemy soldier with his weapon
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then hitting (stabbing with vibroblade in the armor gauntler?) Geonosian’s head brutally
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  and then reporting to duty like killing in melee combat an alien Geonosian was nothing out of ordinance - and technically, battle of Geonosis was the first real war zone they took part in and sure, Vau taught his trainees how to kill but I’m not sure if the clone commandos had a chance to test their deadly skills against living beings up to this moment.
(And to be honest, one Geonosian ambushed by Sev died/was injured due to impact of his jump, as a weight of clone in full armor did the job, but the second one was shot down. Fixer on other hand, as it seems, managed to sneak up on the enemy from behind and instead of quickly shooting him down decided to strangle/break the neck of the Alien. When he was alone in the room with only one Geonosian. I’m aware that it’s hard to tell what led Fixer to this situation, but just at face value of the game scene, this looks like way more effort put in killing the enemy soldier than a safe round of plasma from the gun. And way more brutal than Sev’s ambush) 
There is some truth in saying that one should be wary of the quiet ones, and yeah, Sev falls into that category but between him and Fixer, people really should watch out for RC-1140. Sev has his psychological problems (and who wouldn’t have after Kamino) and he loves his jobs while lacking social skills more than he is just a Psycho while Fixer can and may on purpose go in melee combat to gut some unlucky’s bastard with his favorite weapon of choice (a knife/blade) while not showing much emotions about that... same as Vau, according to Etain’s take on Mandalorian’s force signature.
So it really feels like characters thinking Sev is a psycho may have never had a chance to actually see Fixer in battle. But yeah, the two quietest Deltas are the most dangerous ones and Fixer is, in my opinion, way more terrifying than Sev. .
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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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Hey! I'm not on Tumblr but I've been following your blog a while now and pouring through the archives. Saw yesterday's post on commando replacements and have also pondered the subject. I co-write a collab. fanfic series about the cuy'val dar on Kamino and that issue came up in a story arc. We settled on Fett splitting the 10K commando brigade into four regiments of compatible training sgts to shuffle incomplete squads around in a waiting list system. Lots of math and story...
Hello there! I'm pleasantly surprised there are brave people out there to wander into my archives. Thank you for letting me know, I’m really glad I’m not the only one trying to figure out the replacement system :D 
I would be very surprised if the commando batches weren’t splitted according to the Republic's military system, as clones from the start were supposed to be part of the army, thus the military structures needed to be instilled in them as fast as possible, so any other scenario seems unlikely.  Which for sure gives also better management of training because I sincerely doubt one instructor could alone teach 100-104 men everything that the commando needs to know, even if tie-in source like Making the man: selection and training [Star Wars Insider 84] says that commandos “underwent separate training from early childhood in close-knit “pods” of brothers with each “batch” of 25 or 26 squads under the supervision of a single training sergeant”. 
Yeah, lots of match and headache to keep track on everything and everyone but to be honest, the one aspect that bothers me the most is the idea that Kal Skirata, Walon Vau or Mij Gilmar - or any Mandalorian instructor for the matter - would let anyone take away one of their boys and transfer said clone into squad trained by someone else (because let's face it, not every time it could be possible to shift survivors within the same batch). This is what I can’t wrap my mind about, not because there was little to no indication in text something like that happened (beside Atin being one of Skirata’s boys once he joined Omega Squad) but what we knows about Kamino era, it feels to me that those Mandalorians would kill each other sooner than letting go of any of their cadets? Not to mention what a terrible trauma it could be for a clone to be shifted from a type of training he knew all his life into someone’s unfamiliar methods? And okay, a Vau’s boy transferred into Skirata’s batch doesn’t sound that bad but can anyone imagine if Mij’s cadet became part of a squad trained by Dred Priest? Because all I can imagine is the Kill Bill music playing in the background when Mij is on a killing spree once his (former) trainee gets injured in fighting circle for Priest’s amusement and I don’t think that would work in the long run. So, either there was someone responsible for making sure that a clone fills the gap in the wisely-chosen squad to avoid additional conflict between already conflicted instructors or in case there was no available replacement the squads operated as a team of two-three (not full squad) or five (an additional brother) or at some point outstanding units from ordinary soldiers were promoted to the status of commandos to "fill the gaps in the cadres". But then again, there are plenty of thingsyes we don’t know about training on Kamino so my guess is as good as anyone.
(Also, shouldn’t there be younger generations of clone commandos, the same as in the AotC film we saw three different generations of common clones? Who would train the middle group, if training sergeants already had their hands full of 100 - 104 men?)
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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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Sha'kajir meant sitting down for a meal, and had come to refer to a truce or cease-fire. Skirata found that remarkably apt in this case. Everything could be resolved over a meal, the neutral territory where you said what you had to say and everyone was treated as kin, at least until the meal was over. He was still negotiating his cease-fire with Uthan. Vau managed a smile. "Mij'ika seems like a new man since he's found someone to discuss bacteriology and congenital urethral obstruction with him. If only everyone was so easy to please." "Not at the table, I hope." "It's all big words, Kal. You won't understand the really stomach-churning medical detail." Skirata ignored the jibe without even trying. A year ago, maybe less, it would have started the old fight going again, but they both found their differences weren't worth the effort now.
Imperial Commando: 501st
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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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Vau’s habit of reality checking with Skirata is really amusing. He always makes a good points while being sarcastic.
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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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Knowing how Vau trained his squads, this Scorch’s quote is double hilarious. I mean, of course, it may be just a joke, but if this is in fact what Vau kept saying to Delta Squad (and by extension, to all his trainees), then Vau literally said one of the most universal thing a parent says to his kids - eat the vegetables (just in capsule version) LOL
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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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"How unstable, exactly?" Skirata asked. "If they don't work a stabilizer compound into the plastoid, it'll blow their workshop into orbit as soon as they attach a det to it." Scorch sniggered appreciatively. "Just a precaution," Ordo said. "If we end up using it for a sting operation and by some chance it goes wrong, then we'll at least remove a few huruune in the process." "And half of Galactic City." Sev grunted to himself and peered through his scope to calibrate it against the view from the window. "You spook boys overdo it sometimes." Skirata patted Ordo's arm. "Nice job, son. Now tell me where you've stored it." "Half at the safe house and half under Fixer's bed." Scorch guffawed. Boss smacked his ear but it didn't stop him from laughing. "I'm sharing Fixer's room, di'kut."
Republic Commando: Triple Zero
The fact that Scorch and Fixer shared a room in Triple Zero is a pretty interesting detail. Scorch and Sev seem to me like natural room mates as they have this very close bond (especially seen in games, when both chattered forth and back while Fixer nagged them to calm down and focus at the job). At the same time, Fixer and Boss are calmer, more reserved(?) than their brothers so for sure they would get along just fine and maybe even could take a break from the more hot-headed part of the team and actually enjoy the calmness for once. But then maybe Scorch and Sev were intentionally separated to keep them out of trouble? You know, one more calm Delta and one of the hot-headed duo, to keep the balance since they are working with Kal’s boys rather than people they are familiar with, as in, coming from the same training batch?
Also: Fixer is fearless and Scorch is having too much fun 🤣
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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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My RepCom Musing:  Control Issue
Warning - a long text ahead.
Do you sometimes wonder how long will Vau tolerate Kal’s behavior before calling him on his control issues once everyone settled together on Mandalore for good?
I myself wonder about this lately, not as a way to bash Kal Skirata (which I admittedly have some serious issues with) but as a way to examine one important layer of complicated relationship between these two Mandalorians. A complexity of two stubborn and strong-willed men, with extreme different approach to vital matters who may at times still not see (admit) how harmful was their wrongdoing - and both have their own share of serious wrongdoings - but who constantly keep an eye on each other and do some serious callout, metaphorical or real stabbing, everytime one of them cross the accepted line. This is so far the most visible with Skirata who came to the point he sees Vau as part of his family but still will breathe down his neck so that Vau could never again physically hurt any of his (their) clone commandos:
"Yeah." Skirata didn't want to restart that fight. But he knew he'd take his knife to Vau, just like old times, if he so much as raised his hand to those lads again, and yet somehow that coexisted with a respect and ... yes, affection. Vau was family, too. [Order 66]
Vau’s input on Skirata’s flaws and wrongdoing isn’t subtler as he is saying everything straight in his face, yet (beside Triple Zero) it is less promising any physical reparations if the man crossed the accepted line so far. Which makes sense in the context, since for the majority of book series, both men were gathering funds and preparing the safe home for deserting clones so Walon wasn’t there to witness all Kal’s controlling (manipulative) habits and some of these could be easily framed as a needed part of their special operation. But the book series showed on many occasions that Walon is not afraid to call out Skirata when he is doing disservice to his men or lets emotion get the better of his judgment. It is especially visible with the matter of giving clones a real choice and with that, independence - something Kal knows is the final goal of their operation, but does not always follow this notion. The known to us story concerning clan residence on Mandalore wasn’t yet a proper set-up for Vau to take more prominent role in breathing down Kal’s neck but with what we learned about him, I do not doubt that the longer he would stay around Skirata to experience his daily-life interaction with others, the more willing he would be to call out his friend on some questionable habits of his.
I mean, yes, Walon and Kal knew each other for a long time and their relationship had its ups and downs. During Clone Wars they managed to put to rest their personal feuds (and some of their quarrels come pretty close to murder attempt). From the second book onward they had a common goal - to save their boys and somehow along the way even became truly close to each other.
On Coruscant and during the search for Ko Sai, both tried to tolerate each other’s flaws because they were devoted to their “sacred mission” no less as they were professional soldiers who would not allow emotions to disrupt their hard-won compromise. Mandalore though is gonna be a different case. This is a safe home for a clan made by Mandalorians, clone troopers and their wives/girlfriends and Jedi who, in theory, all gonna live in the same place. 
And here things may get complicated. 
Whatever went wrong between them on Kamino, they had their own personal space (separate apartments), established work schedules and separate clone batches to which they devoted most of their time. On Mandalore whatever conflict starts between them will not be so easily dismissed because they are gonna be in each space with little option to keep distance, unless one will go on long-term mission to calm down or move out. Considering how close they became and the fact that Vau passed Mird to Jaing’s care as was seen in Legacy of the Force book series, the moving out doesn’t feel likely.   
(Additionally, Vau spent some months(?) apart from the rest of the clan during his search for missing Sev. Once he came back, the presence of Death Watch on Mandalore and Jedi literally in their supposedly safe house took the priority on the list of problems to focus on, so timeline of Imperial Commando:501st was still not favorable for focusing on Skirata’s questionable habits and social exceptions that aren’t strictly mandalorian norms).
Vau in general does not try to get involved much in other people’s lives. But. As much as Walon is good at keeping his personal feelings just to himself - to the point that even Jedi have a problem reading him with Force - he is a very perceptive man and a person who doesn’t mind picking up a fight with Skirata or pointing out his weakness and failures. He has a backbone and independence that some others lack, especially Nulls and clones trained by Skirata, who feel like they owe him their loyalty and thus may not want to challenge him in a direct way. Or, like in Darman’s case, at least, as long as Skirata does not breach their trust. 
Vau though? Oh he loves to pick on Kal and does that mercilessly through the whole series, even for little things. The books made it pretty clear that  Vau “could wind [Skirata] up as surely as a mechanical toy” [Triple Zero] and this seems to be a personal hobby of his to the point that Skirata literally says “And I wonder what you'd do with yourself if you didn't have me to torment” [True Colors].
The books also gave a solid insight into their conflicted viewpoints. Obviously, how clone soldiers should or shouldn’t be trained was the main source of their clashing and their different approach to the matter speaks a lot about them by presenting the values they hold the dearest. They both want to give clones a chance for normality but the core difference between them is that Skirata wants (needs?) to be a part of his men’s life while Vau seems to be okay now to separate himself from that power over his men (and I even dare to say, on purpose or subconsciously, trained his men to survive without a father in their life, as he did). 
Skirata’s choice is neither better nor worse than Vau’s and vice versa, for both approaches come from their personal experiences and are a direct response to their individual trauma. Beside hardship of his boyhood years, Kal’s biggest trauma was not being a good father to his biological children to the point he was written off from his own family and now he devoted all his time and energy to save clones and other strays while Vau’s abusive childhood gave him a rocky relationship with broadly understood fatherhood to the point he is capable to openly show a genuine emotions only toward Mird while struggles with articulate them to other human beings, even those he knows well. He is making progress in that regard, but talking to Kal about his parental feelings toward Sev is still not the same as admitting them to the commando’s face.  
But the conflict of how to train clone commandos (and how far is too far) was important only at the beginning of the story and sidelined soon after the second book. Once Skirata and Vau decided to join their forces to save their boys, they clashed over other, now more prominent matters that will not disappear so easily once their Mandalorian clan settle down. Quite opposing, those matters may escalate with passing time. 
(The Imperial Commando:501st book already showed that Vau is the most prominent person to go toe to toe with Skirata when it comes to the safety of their clan, as was seen with his concerns about Arla and how dangerous she could be and helping the Jedi who managed to survive Purge. Those concerns aren’t actually the main topic of my rambling but I’m bringing these examples as a proof their new home for clones and strays isn’t still and may never be fully the promised paradise. Though Walon and Kal’s arguments don’t disrupt that much the illusion of idyll since usually only Ordo and Jusik stay around arguing old Mandalorians to make sure there will be no blows, while the rest is just so used to the quarrels between these two from Kamino they barely pay attention anymore. Or, in case of nasty argument, everyone finds something to occupy themselves, presumably far away from clashing Mandalorians.)
The most important issue brought already by the books is allowing clones to choose whatever the old sergeants agree with the choice or not. This is strictly tied to Vau and Skirata disagreement in regard to Etain’s pregnancy and the dilemma should Darman be told or not. 
"Okay-Etain's pregnant. Short enough for you?" 
    Vau made a noise in his throat that sounded remarkably like Mird's gargling objection to being moved from the sofa. "I'll start knitting," he said. "Obviously the Force wasn't with her." 
    Nobody asked who the father was. The romance was hardly a secret: even Delta knew. 
    "She's on Qiilura until she gives birth," Skirata said. "And nobody says a word to the boys." 
    "Not even us," Mereel muttered. 
    "No, Mer'ika, not even you. Because then you can't accidentally put your great big boot in it, like the general just did." 
    "Sorry." Jusik hung his head. "I thought at least the Nulls would know." 
    "Okay, I'll brief the rest of them," said Skirata. "But Darman doesn't know, and it stays that way until he's in a position to be able to ... well, process the news. At the moment, all he'd do is worry instead of keeping his mind on the job." 
    "That's not fair on the man," Vau said. "Not if you think he is a man, and not some helpless kid. Or a simpleton." 
    "Okay, mir'sheb, you got a better idea?" 
    Vau blinked a few times. "No, I don't think any answer is the right one here, other than hindsight." 
    "She wanted to give him a son, some kind of future. And smart move or not, I'm doing the same, so maybe it's my fault for putting ideas in her head." [True Colors]
Kal decided to keep vital information from Darman about Etain’s pregnancy and forbade others to tell him the news until Skirata decided it was the right moment to do so. The secret was already kept for like half a year (and only Ordo and Jusik knew, the first learned the truth by accident and the other knew because of Force). Skirata did so to protect Darman as he thought it was the only correct course of action. We know Darman did not appreciate that once he learned from Etain about their son and Kal’s action broke the trust between them.
Darman ventured into territory he was reluctant to even think about. "Kal'buir knew."
"Yeah, but you said Etain would be in serious osik if the Jedi Thought Police caught her." Niner seemed to be going for mitigating circumstances. "And don't they take Jedi babies? She had her reasons."
But she had told him, and Kad wasn't any less at risk. The assumption was that the baby was Force-sensitive, or whatever they called it. That didn't make him a Jedi. Darman longed for a few sensible words from Jusik. He'd have the answers, and if he didn't, he'd still have some wise words on the situation that might make Darman see the positive side and a way of picking up again from here. It struck him that his first thought wasn't to pour his heart out to Skirata.
[...]
Regular humans grew up knowing what families were, what parents did even if they didn't have one. In Darman's wholly artificial world on Kamino, during the years that mostly shaped him, Darman had worked out something vital; that there was such a thing as a father, and Kal Skirata filled that gap in his life. He'd seen Jango Fett from time to time-and his son-and known that he was grown from the man's cells, but he never felt the connection with him that he felt with Skirata. Humans were just like any other creature in the galaxy. Their instinct was to breed and look after their young, and cloning humans and growing them in vats didn't change that one bit.
[...]
Niner clicked his teeth in annoyance. "Well, you can forget the practical problems, and we can get you through the bad feelings. We always have. Vode An, right?"
Actually, Niner was wrong. He was very wrong. Darman was in a place he'd never been before, and it was about more than suddenly finding he had a child out there somewhere. It was about trust. The galaxy was all lies, and even his job was built partly on deception, but as long as there was one area that he knew was real and that wouldn't crumble under him, he felt safe.
That part wasn't Etain. It was Kal'buir.
"He knew," Darman said "and he never told me."
"Kal?" Corr asked.
"Why wouldn't he tell me?"
"Because he knew you'd go off the deep end like this."
"Don't I have a right to know? I mean, he always told me I was a man with the right to control my own life, but now he decides what's good for me and what isn't."
Niner cut in. "Give him a break. Kal'buir wasn't the one who got pregnant and kept quiet about it."
"Well, if he had a reason for not telling me, it's either because he thought I was too stupid to handle it, or that Etain's problems were more important. I mean, it's not like I'd tell anyone else, is it?"
"Or," said Niner, "maybe he decided that because you and Etain are two adults, he was staying out of your private business."
It made sense. Niner always did. But it didn't placate Darman one bit. He was starting to find definite thoughts solidifying in the fog of painful emotions, and three of them loomed like rocks: that he wasn't trusted by people he loved and trusted that he wasn't sure now if he could trust them, and that he had a nameless, formless, desperate animal need to see his kid even if he wasn't sure what a father in his position was supposed to do.
Well, he could hang on to that. And he knew what a father's job was. He'd had what he thought was the best role model in Skirata, although doubts about that now gnawed at him. [Order 66]
(Darman’s accusation that Skirata did not tell him the truth “because he thought [he] was too stupid to handle it” is, ironically, an echo of Vau’s made in a previous book.)
Back then in True Colors, of all the people gathered to hear the news about Etain’s pregnancy, only Vau pointed out the unfairness done to Darman but also Skirata treating him not like a man he was but a helpless child or simpleton. Mereel, who was confrontational toward Kal about keeping the secret from Nulls other than Ordo, did not take any part in the discussion, nor Jusik who befriended Omega Squad in previous book(s).
Ultimately, Vau did not involve himself into this charade more than necessary. He did not agree with Skirata, but didn’t go against the man’s plan (and to be honest, if he did and tried to reveal the secret, the outcome most likely would end much worse). Like he said, there was no right choice at that time, especially since the secret already lasted a few months. 
Surprisingly, the matter giving the choice to clones vs decision made for them was brought up twice in the same book. Again, by Walon Vau:
“You do realize,” he said to Skirata, “that if the troopers were given a choice, most would opt to stay in the army anyway?”
    “I do. We all prefer the comfort of what we know best.”
    “They’d be as dead as volunteers as they’d be as slaves, Kal.”
    “But they’d have a choice, and that’s what makes us free men.”
    “Actually, that’s a load of osik. Plenty of free beings in the galaxy don’t have a vote and don’t get a choice about what they do each day. There’s a very blurred line between slavery and economic dependence.”
On one hand, it is good to see both Mandalorians, at least in theory, took into account that men they try to save may choose a different life, even if the choice ultimately leads only to their death. Interestingly, it is Kal who says that having a choice is what matters the most because he himself witholded said choice (knowledge) from Darman and to some degree from Ordo by keeping him at his side almost through the whole war. Vau on other hand pointed the blurred line between slavery and economic dependence and its impact on “people’s freedom”. It could be just one of Vau’s more personal thoughts, most likely linked to his own background (and he for sure has some interesting personal opinions about the world) but it could be also read as a point about clones choosing to run away from the army. It is Kal and Walon who have the money and therefore the power over other, more vulnerable characters - not only clones, but Laseema and Etain as well. Both women did not experience real independence due to one being a female Twi'lek working for a Hutt in his night club and the other being a Jedi, with no money, family or personal contacts to be in position of making choices for themselves. It may not be intended to read like that but in the perspective of the story, Vau’s words hold the truth. Giving clones a choice is not good enough, if they were still economy dependent on someone’s good will. 
And yes, Skirata was shown through the story as a doting father who buys his sons sweets and gives them a lot of credits to have fun between missions but clones did not own the money, did not have bank accounts, weren’t paid by army/Republic. It was a gift but gifts can be witholded, can be taken back or create the feeling that something should be given in return. Clones were dependent, not only in the economic sense. 
Frankly, the first(?) time Kal brought the plan to open all Nulls their own private bank accounts - and with them, independence and privacy from his control - happened in Order 66, three years into war. And that so far was only about Nulls.
"I hear that store does very good nut slice."
Skirata fished in his pockets automatically and crammed a stack of credit chips into Mereel's hand.
"Time we got some bank accounts sorted out for you all," he said.
Mereel shrugged. "We're not short of creds, any of us."
"I mean real bank accounts, not skimming off the Republic's budget. In case anything happens to me."
"Buir, we can slice into any banking system in the galaxy, like Mij said. We're big boys now. And nothing's going to happen to you."
Skirata walked a precarious line between wanting to protect his adopted sons from an unforgiving galaxy and giving them the space the Republic denied them to be independent. It was a parent's dilemma, magnified many times and complicated by their accelerated compressed life spans. He didn't want to dole out pocket money to them like kids; these were fighting men, and they deserved the wherewithal to lead their own lives, all the simple routine choices that citizens had.
"I don't mean money laundering," Skirata said. "I'll get Jaing to set up personal accounts for you all. Private, to spend as you like. None of my business."
So in that regard, we see progress, at least within the relationship between Kal and Nulls. Vau, after robbing a bank and giving money to Skirata, made it clear the funds were also for his own former trainees: "But remember my men, too, Kal. If they need help when the time comes … I expect it to be given.“
Vau brought the matter of giving the choice to clones and respecting their decision again in Order 66 and even asked when Kal is planning to inform rest of his squads:
"Look," Skirata said. "That's the easy bit. The hard bit is getting Omega out now. And Etain. The Nulls can come and go because Zey and his cronies are used to that, but the others are pretty visible. Have you spoken to Delta?"
"No. They'll get to hear, and then they can make their own choice. What about your other squads? I know Omega's your pride and joy, but when are you going to put the word out that there's a haven for the others, too?"
"When we're sure Kyrimorut is secure and everyone's settled."
"Okay."
"Walon, I know I've bitten off more than I can chew. But I had to try. And I think we're as close to pulling it off as ever."
Vau sighed. "Okay."
And to be honest, Vau’s okay doesn’t sound that much convincing? I don’t know, but it feels like this discussion was already done and repeated off panel and either Skirata’s choice to keep the secret from clones or waiting so long is not satisfying yet Vau, which really no better choice to not jeopardy their operation, keeps to the plan.
Vau is going to tell the truth to Deltas, is going to offer them the safe place but the ultimate choice must be made by clone commandos themselves. Not him. Not Kal. Deltas alone. 
Vau once again brought the possibility of clone commandos choosing to stay in army, as was seen in Imperial Commando: 501st in regard to Darman and Niner:
"If you're that worried," Vau said, "all you have to do is comm them."
Skirata didn't take his eyes off the log balanced on the chopping block. He'd had one accident too many with axes when he was distracted.
"If they're doing a delicate job, I might comm just at the wrong time... " Skirata lined up his ax, swung, and split another log in two neat halves. It was a kind of meditation-nothing mystic, just living in the moment by repeating simple and necessary actions without thought, the best way of quieting the mind. "Like just then, in fact."
"You realize that Niner and Darman could have left Imperial City under their own steam by now? They're commandos, for goodness sake. Getting out of places is what they do best-after getting in, of course."
"Yes, but they haven't. That tells me they need extracting."
"That's what worries me," Vau said.
"Meaning?"
"Darman's got a son here. Even Niner agreed to desert in the end. They had every reason to get out as soon as Niner could walk again. But they didn't."
"You know as well as I do that you have to pick your moment to exfil in a situation like that."
Skirata hadn't wanted to think about it, but he wondered if he'd judged it all wrong and the two clones wanted to stay in the army. If they did, then it was all his fault. He'd been responsible for keeping Etain's pregnancy from Darman, not one deceit but a daily cycle of lies until the kid was a toddler. If Darman hadn't bonded with his son enough to put being with him above everything, then it was because Skirata had set him a rotten example as a father. And Niner-Niner had an unshakable sense of duty and responsibility that Skirata had nurtured.
I trained them to be perfect soldiers. Now I want them to forget all that and come and play renegade Mando here with me. What can I expect?
"Yes," Vau said, as if he'd been having an internal debate with himself during Skirata's long silence. "I'm getting too anxious. Too much idle time on my hands. They were just waiting for the right moment."
"No point fighting your way out when you can walk out," Skirata said. He glanced at the chrono on his forearm plate. "Lunch. Come on, let's spend some quality sha'kajir time with our highly qualified comrade."
More surprisingly, this is a rare moment in which Vau did not push the matter and, well, went soft on Kal (and himself?) instead of focusing on the “worst scenario”. Delta Squad wasn’t mentioned in this paragraph but the “Getting out of places is what they do best-after getting in, of course” statement by logic applies to them too. Up until the last book, commandos wishing to stay in the army was a possibility but not already made a choice. Now both Mandalorians slowly must come to terms with the harsh reality that some of their “boys” may not choose them over the Empire.
And that brings us to another issue that Kal and Walon at some point will need to face - losing control over their trainees, and said control has many layers. The most obvious one is the military rank that both once hold over clone commandos. In regard to Vau, we already saw glimpses of him giving up this power and separating himself from the former role of training sergeant. It does not magically change the already established (also in abusive way) dynamic between him and Delta Squad (and Atin) but definitely is a first step in a right way.
To be honest, Vau’s choice to remain “civilian” is unexpected in the sense that the army had been his whole life since he was disinherited by biological family and ran away from Irmenu. He wanted to be a soldier since he was a small boy so to fulfill his dream and/or to spite his father he joined the Mandalorians and was one of them for literal decades. 
Vau’s choice to step away from military rank  was a constant decision from Triple Zero to the end of the story. In the mentioned book, it was a necessary part of the Skirata’s operation so he could do the dirty job without any official ties to General Zey and the army. 
But then the prologue of True Colors alone provides us with this:
 "Sarge..." Scorch looks at the security locks on the strong-room hatch with the appraising eye of an expert at breaking the unbreakable. That's how I trained him: he's the best. "Sarge, we got what we came for. Why are we robbing a bank?"
    "You're not robbing it. I'm robbing it. You're just opening a door." This is about justice. And relieving Separatists of their wealth stops them from spending it on ar maments, after all. "And I'm a civilian now."
in which Vau reminded Scorch he did not hold that power over Delta Squad anymore. Even if he still sees Delta as his boys, the dynamic and dependence between them shifted and he himself contributed to that. Of course, the old habits die hard and the same as Scorch and his brothers still used a military rank to address Vau, Vau himself kept falling back to an authoritative figure that gives orders and demands obediences, like here:
"Go on, get out of here." I walk down the corridor lined with unimaginably excessive wealth: rare precious metals, untraceable credit chips, priceless jewels, antiques, industrial secrets, blackmail material. Ordinary credits aren't the only things that make the galaxy rotate. The Vau family box is in here. "I said dismiss, Delta."
    Boss stands his ground. "You can't carry it all on your own."
    "I can carry enough." I can haul a fifty-kilo pack all right, maybe not as easily as young men like them, but I'm motivated and that shaves years off my age. "Dismissed. Thin out. Now. This is my problem, not yours."
Except, as the next chapter showed, Delta did not follow his orders like they used to do on Kamino and Boss even threw back at Vau the “you are civilian now” argument to establish a different set of rules between them. 
    Vau wasn't used to anything other than instant obedience from his squads. He'd drummed it into them on Kamino, the hard way when necessary. Skirata thought you built special forces soldiers by treats and pats on the head, but it just produced weaklings; Vau's squads had the lowest casualty rates because he reinforced the animal will lo survive in every man. He was proud of it.
    "You did," Boss said, "but you look like you need a hand. Anyway - you're not our sergeant any longer. Technically speaking. No disrespect... Citizen Vau."
[...]
    "I should have thrashed more sense into you, then," Vau said. He unfolded a plastoid bivouac sheet and knotted the corners. It was always a bad idea not to plan for the most extreme situation: he'd been certain he would only take what was rightfully his, but this was too good to pass up. "Okay, you and Scorch hold this between you while I fill it."
The status of civilian was again mentioned in Order 66:
"Are you on brigade strength again, Sarge?" Scorch asked.
"No. Still civilian status." Vau wore a slightly preoccupied frown that didn't seem to have anything to do with the business at hand. "That way I can tell Zey where to stick his orders without feeling I've lost my military self-respect. An army that refuses orders is a rabble." [Order 66]
Vau stayed close to his former students and Skirata clan but not exactly as part of the military chain of command. He did not hold power over clone commandos like Kal, who due to holding still the sergeant rank was directly involved in military matters. 
Skirata was the papa Kal to his trainees while Vau was a much more strict and less emotional type of training sergeant. Walon’s status of “citizen” does not undo all the trauma and hardship Deltas - and Atin - endured for years but at the same time the books gave us the starting points in which said commandos determine their relationship with Vau on their own terms rather than dictated by the ex-sergeant. In the case of Atin, it wasn’t just a murder attempt (Triple Zero); he was one of Skirata’s boys now and Laseema’s boyfriend (later husband), so did not need Walon in his new life and though there was sort of relative peace between both men, Vau stayed away as possible, until Atin himself offered the older man to start anew:
“[...]We're going very soon, son, and you better be ready."
"I'm ready," Atin said. "We all are. Is Vau there?"
"Yeah ..." It was still thin ice, even if hostilities between the two men had been shelved for the duration. "Want to talk to him?"
"No, just tell him that the war's over between us. It really is. Back home, we start anew. Cin vhetin."
Vau heard anyway. Skirata put the link back in his belt.
"I only ever did it to make sure they survived, whatever happened," Vau said. "I'm not a sadistic man." [Order 66]
Deltas started to define the boundary between their military affiliation and the civilian status of Vau. It may be not much yet, and there are plenty of important matters to unpack for all of them to deal with trauma and long-lived effects of abuse, but the book series at least hints at Vau's willingness to step away from the former dynamic he had with his trainees. 
With Skirata, the matter is complicated because his relationship with clones is more tinged with emotions and sometimes it is harder to step away from that kind of dependency. 
Like I said before, for me Vau seems to train his clones not only to have the almost animal will to survive no matter what, but also to not need him (father figure) when they are old enough and on their own. Atin especially is more confrontational than average commando, more independent and willing to ditch former sergeant and army to have the life he chooses for himself. And though he cares deeply for Skirata, I’m pretty sure his stubbornness/strong will would not be clouded by sentiment if Kal oversteps his hard-won trust. But Atin was trained by Vau and to some degree holds a similar mindset to his former training sergeant, whether he likes it or not. 
The rest of Omega and Nulls though are a different matter, for they all share with Skirata strong emotional ties that in a way blind them to some of Kal’s questionable traits. Vau was more prone to physical violence and emotional distance as far as books showed us thus it is easier to call him on wrongdoings, while Kal’s methods at times fall more into emotional blackmail - due to lack of “safe” emotional distance, characters are prone to feel guilty about how their actions had upsetted the old Mandalorian rather than either hold him accountable or put own mental health over his feelings. Whether he did that on purpose or out of habit/subconciousion, is up to individual interpretation, however the text provided enough examples that Kal does not like to lose control over the situation and involved people and is not always capable (willing?) to separate himself from the power he had over his sons and/or subordinates. 
A serious issue he sometimes acknowledged himself.
So we have this:
"Vau's handed the stash over to me, Bard'ika." Skirata was going to have to tell Vau about the apparent end of the Kamino contract, too. He had commandos in the field who were due their chance at life as much as anyone. The more Skirata's plan took detailed shape, the more people there'd be who needed to know things, and that always sat uncomfortably with him. "What you don't know can't burden you, son. If it all goes shu'shuk, you can at least look Zey in the eye and say you had no idea what I was up to." [True Colors]
Sharing details about his plans always sat uncomfortably with Skirata. How much of this is the result of working for so long as mercenaries and how much his natural controlling tendencies are up to debate.
Skirata was a magnet for waifs and strays; if someone was looking for a sense of belonging, Skirata could make them feel they belonged like nobody else. It was the necessary skill of a sergeant, someone who could bond troops with the intensity of a family, but it was also the authority of a father, and he often couldn't tell where one began and the other ended. He wasn't sure that it mattered. Jusik-clever, lonely, and increasingly at odds with Jedi policy-radiated a need for acceptance: the result was inevitable. Skirata struggled to find the line between taking advantage of the Jedi's vulnerability and getting the best deal for his clones. [True Colors]
For Kal the line between “sergeant” and “father” was blurred to the point  “he often couldn't tell where one began and the other ended” while also didn’t really think it is important to separate those two roles (“He wasn't sure that it mattered.“). He was fond of Jusik to the point, he offered to adopt the Jedi as his own son, yet he was aware his interest in the younger man was not completely selfless - an issue that was mentioned through the pages of the books, in regard to Bardan, Etain and Besanny, often by Ordo. How much they use befriended people, a concern that Kal usually downplayed as said people knew what they got into. Which is questionable, since they all were people in desperate need to belong to his clan either because they did not have a true family on their own or were romantically involved with Kal’s sons so they crawled his approval.
Or:
"I've got to get back to HQ," Ordo said. "Kal'buir, please don't take risks, okay?"
It was a feeble thing to say to a mercenary, and Ordo knew it. "I'm going to retrieve Kad'ika and the ladies, and then we grab Uthan," Skirata said. "Can you find a way to recall Omega?"
"Have they said they're willing to desert?"
"Not in so many words. Sometimes you have to give folks a nudge to save themselves."
Skirata had learned nothing about giving others choices. He'd kicked straight back into father-knows-best mode, despite the fight with Darman; but that blind reflex had saved Ordo and his brothers, and it was impossible to condemn it. When it went right, it was salvation. [Order 66]
In which despite the ongoing emphasis seen in each book how clones were real men and therefore should have a choice and the backlash of not telling Darman about his child, Skirata falls back into father (he) knows the best mindset. What corresponds with Darman’s accusation that Skirata “always told me I was a man with the right to control my own life, but now he decides what's good for me and what isn't." [Order 66]. 
Kal did not learn anything from his own failure even though he encourages his sons to enjoy their (adult) life at every opportunity. The issue of making decision for others without asking about his family’s opinion first was also raised by Skirata himself in Imperial Commando: 501st:
"I'm not much of a father if I can't make my kids feel secure, am I?"
"You're a terrific father. It's just been a very traumatic time. Not even Ordo's immune to that."
"No, I'm not a good buir, because I make decisions for my aliit without asking their opinion," Skirata said. "Bard'ika, I owe you an apology. I made a decision for you. I shouldn't have."
"It can't have been that bad," Jusik said. "But tell me anyway."
What takes us back to Vau’s point of treating Darman - and by extension other clones - as a child or simpleton and his constant remarks about choice the commandos must make on their own. Kal definitely struggles with that and the lack of separation between sergeant and father for sure doesn’t help, for his former trainees will always easily fall back into the best known dynamic (military hierarchy). Through the story we could see Vau’s men not following his authority (Deltas in TC) and redefine their relationship with their former instructor (Atin). In contrast, Ordo often remarked he and Nulls wished to be seen by their father as adults and thus, allowed to make their own decisions yet he rarely confronted Kal about this matter, out of loyalty and the feeling of debt he owed the man for saving Nulls. The one, the most direct confrontation happened in True Colors, when Mereel’s scheme comes to life to break Ko Sai’s spirit. Ordo destroyed the supposedly only chip with kaminoan scientific data. According to Mereel, everything his brother said then was the truth.
"Ord'ika?"
    Skirata tried not to show his shock, but it wasn't working. His voice jammed in his throat and struggled to shake loose.
    Ordo stood forward of the hatch, looking out to sea in the growing dusk, and folded his arms. "I'm sorry, Kal'buir."
    What am I going to do? How the shab can I start over now? We had it, we had it all, we were so close.. .
    "Just-just tell me why, son." How could he do this to me? What did I do to tip him over the edge? "I know you're upset. I know you're worried about Fi."
    Mereel caught Skirata's arm. "Nothing you can do, Buir. Let's start again and shake everything out of Ko Sai."
    Skirata resisted Mereel's pull at his sleeve. "Give me a minute, son. You go warm her up for me. I need to talk to Ordo."
    Skirata knew there was no point in being angry with the lad: this was all his fault. It was so easy to see only the clever, courageous, loyal side of Ordo and his brothers, all their wonderful qualities, and forget how badly damaged they all were at their core. No amount of love could erase what had been done to them at a critical time in their development. All he could do was patch them up, and he was willing to do that until the day he died.
He stood beside Ordo and put his arm around him, not sure now if that would result in a flood of tears or a punch.
    "Son, you know how much I love you, don't you? Nothing will ever change that."
    "Yes, Buir."
    "I just need to know why you did that after all the trouble we went to in getting that data."
    Ordo's jaw muscles twitched. He didn't look Skirata in the eye like he usually did. "This is all about having a choice. That's what matters, isn't it? But even now, we're still under a Kaminoan's control because she's got information she won't give us. Well, I'd rather live fifty years on my own terms than a hundred on hers. And now she'll know it. The information she's withholding is worthless. I've taken her power away for good."
    "But I just wanted to give you a full life. You deserve that."
    "But we're men, Kal'buir, and I know you've given up everything for us, but you can't keep making decisions for us like we're kids."
    That hurt. The physical pain in Skirata's chest, like a heavy stone pressing down inside, got a little worse. "But what about your brothers, Ord'ika? What about all of the ad'ike who didn't get to choose?"
    "There'll be other ways around this." No point arguing. He'll feel bad enough about it when he comes to his senses. "Sure. We'll forget it for the while and concentrate on Fi, and Etain's baby, and then we'll have a re-think. Ko Sai isn't the only geneticist in the galaxy. Is she?" But even the Kaminoan ones need to get her back, and they're the best. It s over. I'll keep trying, but unless there's a miracle. . .
    The galaxy didn't do miracles. It only gave you what you took from it. Skirata was persistent to the point of wasted obsession, and maybe even beyond, but even he reached a point where he sank beneath the weight of a task. There'd been just too much bad news today. Perhaps tomorrow would be better. They still had a fortune to fall back on. Ordo turned around, looking like a scared little boy again for the first time in ages. There was nothing Skirata couldn't forgive him.
    "I've hurt you, Kal'buir, and I can't undo that. But I'll make it up to you, I swear."
    "You don't have to, son." I forgot they hadn't seen Ko Sai up close since she finished testing them and told them they were going to be put down. I stuck abused kids in front of their abuser and expected them to cope. What was I thinking? "You don't owe me a thing."
Kal reasecuring Ordo he loves him no matter what happened was a good start of the discussion. Yet the most outstanding part of the confrontation is how Ordo’s straightforward words didn’t make Skirata reflect on his personal flaw nor how his overprotectiveness (controlling habit) suffocated his son to the point of destroying the supposedly one and only chip needed by them (the story behind Ordo’s action is deeper than just reaching a breaking point but Kal did not know that at this point of the story). Instead, the truth hurt the old Mandalorian deeply almost in a physical way and the focus soon changed from Ordo’s need to be treated as an adult (making own choices) to how Kal’s feels and, well, stayed focused on Kal. Ordo’s point was pushed aside for the overwhelming guilt, even though for the first time he openly spoke about the problem. Of course, part of the blame is how the narrative (Kal’s POV) is egoistical by its nature - and to be honest, even in the aftermath scene of destroying the chip, the moment in which Kal comfort his son, Mandalorian’s thought run along the line “How could he do this to me?”, like he was the main victim of the situation. Which is why I find the shift of focus uncomfortable. There is no conclusion to the Null’s inner conflict between “dutiful son” and “wish to live his own life”, as Ordo falls back into prioritizing father (his savior!)’s emotions over personal mental health, while Skirata does not really bother to talk with Ordo or other Nulls to actually solve the slowly yet visible increasing matter of their independence. I think the closest attempt to give his boys some personal space and privacy was his wish to grant them their personal, legal, bank accounts in Order 66 but I’m not sure if the plan was realized in the end. 
Sadly, this seems like a recruiting theme, as another confrontation happened in Order 66 with a similar outcome. Which leads us back to Darman, whom Kal on purpose lied to. Skirata concealed the truth about Darman’s child (while the text keeps highlighting on every occasion how fatherhood is so important to Mandalorian men) and even made other characters cover up for the situation (especially Laseema and Bardan, two people befriended by all members of the Omega Squad). Of course, one may argue Kal did that to protect Darman but once again, his protectiveness took away the choice from his sons. A choice the Mandalorian himself defined as something that makes people free men (“But they’d have a choice, and that’s what makes us free men.”)
Darman’s reaction to the news about having a son was to cut off from Etain and Kal. It took him some time to finally face his sergeant/father about the months of lying to him in the face. When he and Kal finally met to talk, the first thing Skirata did was to say sorry and hug his son - something Darman noted was his usual way to sort out the problem but also that affection is not enough to fix it:
But Skirata walked through the 'fresher doors in his civilian rig-brown bantha-hide jacket and brown pants-which was slightly at odds with his heavy Mando boots. Vau stood behind him in his black beskar'gam with his helmet under one arm, Mird at his side.
"Dar'ika," Skirata said. "Come here, son."
And Darman did despite himself. He stood up and let Skirata throw his arms around him. Kal 'buir thought a manly hug sorted a lot of problems, and generally he was right. This time, though, it was going to take more than affection to fix things.
"I'm sorry," Skirata said. "I know you're upset."
Atin, Corr, and Niner leaned against the lockers, moral support for their brother. "Why didn't anyone tell me, Buir?" Darman asked. "Why did Etain lie to me? What did she think I'd do? Is she ashamed of me?"
"Shab, no, son." Skirata's face was anguished and exhausted. "She adores you. It was me-I stopped her telling you. She wanted to, right from when she knew she was pregnant, but I threatened I'd take the kid away from her if she didn't do as I said."
Darman didn't believe him. Skirata might have been a pitilessly hard man, no stranger to violence, but he was the kindest of fathers. He'd never have threatened Etain.
"Don't cover for her, Kal'buir."
"I'm not. It's true. Ask Ordo-he walked in on the row, and I'm not going to dress it up. I stopped her telling you, and that was wrong, whatever the circumstances."
Darman didn't like the feeling growing in his gut right then. Skirata had been the sole anchor in his childhood the only adult he trusted, his shield against the Kaminoans and everything that scared him. He wanted this not to be true. Etain-Etain was a Jedi, and as much as he loved her, she wasn't a foundation in his life like Skirata had been.
"You put my son in my arms," Darman said, "and didn't tell me who he was."
"I swear to you, son, ori'haat, we were going to tell you then. But you said that you weren't ready For babies. So we decided against it."
"We."
"All right, me. Leave Etain out of it. She's a kid like you, never had the chance of a normal life, and she did her best-because she needed something to love when she wasn't allowed to, ever. She loves you, and she loves Kad. I'm the one who should have known better."
Darman knew what was happening inside him now. He recognized it. So did Niner; he moved a little closer, as if he was going to take Darman's arm and tell him it was okay, and things would be better now.
Darman was angry and hurt. He knew he had to let that steam vent out carefully. "Why did you stop her the first time?"
"I thought it would distract you when you were fighting, and you'd get yourself killed," said Skirata. Vau was still silent. In a room full of soldiers, there was now really only Skirata and Darman. "And I didn't know if you could take it emotionally. A lot of men with more life experience than you run away when they find out they're going to be a dad."
"So am I a man, like anyone else, or am I always going to be a kid who needs everything done for him?"
"Look, I was wrong." Skirata looked rough now; his eyes glazed with unshed tears, and his voice was shaky. "You should have been told. You should have been there when Kad was born. I took that from you, and I'll never forgive myself."
Yeah, this wasn't about Etain. Somehow, for all the knowledge he lacked of normal family life, Darman knew-felt-that she was in as big a mess as him, but Skirata was the grown-up, the seasoned warrior, the father, the veteran sergeant, the one who should have taken the situation in hand.
"I want to see Kad," Darman said. "When we go off duty tonight, I want to see my son."
"And Etain?"
Darman thought. Yes, he could face her now. He nodded. But he wasn't satisfied. The floodgates had opened, and he couldn't close them. He had to know everything. "What's happening, Kal'buir? I mean-the rest of it? We know we don't get told everything, but you're always up to something, and you don't tell us. You said problem when I commed you."
Skirata looked at Vau, who shrugged and went to stand guard at the doors with Mird. Skirata held out his hand. "Come on. Buckets-show me all your helmets are offline."
Understandably, Darman did not believe Kal - the kindest father in his mind - to be capable of mistreating Etain the way he did. But at the end of their argument, Darman came to the opposite conclusion. That Etain was in the big mess like him all because of Skirata. In that moment of revelation, Darman felt betrayed and hurt but also angry for being treated like a hopeless child.   
Vau did not bother to make any excuse for Skirata, which makes sense as he did not agree with his decision to withhold such crucial information. I’m not ever sure why he came with the other Mandalorian, as he doesn’t act supportive for Kal, at least not the way Atin, Niner and Corr provided emotional support for their brother. Considering how in the upcoming paragraphs Vau will grow impatient by Skirata’s actics when Darman demands the truth about what Mandalorians and Nulls were doing so far, I think Walon was there more to make sure Kal won’t back away from sorting out the problem for good than anything else. As could be seen below:
Skirata was talking about something to thwart the Chancellor. It was the first explicit proof Darman had that he was running his own operation-not in parallel with the Republic's interests, or outside them, but against them. Darman loved and respected Kal'buir, but he was under no illusions about his methods. He'd been up to something dodgy for a long time; Fi's extraction, the base on Mandalore, Ko Sai, the bank job on Mygeeto with Vau that Delta didn't talk about-something major was happening. Skirata was well off the chart.
And so were the Nulls.
"Just tell us," Darman said. "We're big boys now. Put your credits where your mouth is, if you meant what you said to me a minute ago."
Skirata paced slowly around the fresher with his head lowered, staring at the gray tiled floor as if he was working up to saying something awful. Vau was getting impatient at the doors, doing that sigh and head shake that meant he was going to cut in and tell them if Skirata didn't. But Darman wanted to hear it from Kal'buir.
"For shab's sake tell them, Kal," Vau said.
Skirata let out a long breath. "Ad'ike, what I'm going to tell you must not, absolutely not, go beyond us. Do you understand? Not even if the Chancellor orders you to answer. Especially not then." He looked at Niner. "That means you, too. You're as straight as a die, son, but this isn't the time or the place for being Master Ethical."
So A'den had told Skirata about Niner's row with him over letting Sull desert and walk free. Niner drew his head back slightly as if he was hurt by the suggestion. "We're not going to like this, are we, Kal'buir?"
Skirata was all business again, eyes dry, as if they hadn't had the conversation about babies and lies at all. "This is a need-to-know job, not because I don't trust you, but because what you don't know usually can't drop you in it. Usually."
"We get it," Atin said. "Just tell us."
"It's not Jilka who's been mining the Treasury's data. It's Besany. And I got her to do it. We don't live in a world now where you get a lawyer and a trial-you end up committing suicide whether you want to or not, like that HNE hack."
It was a tough line to follow. But Niner, being Niner, tried.
"So you slot Jilka to save Besany."
"If you knew what Besany had found, Ner'ika, you'd understand. And it's not just about Besany."
"What the shab is it?" Darman snapped. "Come on, Kal'buir, spit it out."
Skirata dropped his voice almost to a whisper. "Palpatine's developing a new clone army. A big one."
People involved in the whole scene (not only in the quoted part) needed to constantly push Skirata to spill the truth. Not really surprising, as Kal already noted in a previous book about not liking sharing details of his plans. So we have Vau, Darman, Niner and Atin asking again and again to tell what the commandos should know.  
Skirata revealed to Omega Squad that Palpatine got another clone army but not raised on Kamino and for the first time openly admitted there is a safe escaping route for clone deserters. But with that knowledge comes a painful truth that Skirata ran his own operations in secret, against Republic’s best interest and by extension, the clone troopers.
"Son, I don't know the full details, and it's not for want of trying." Skirata fastened his jacket, looking as if the snatched discussion was coming to an abrupt end. "But the more I find out, the less I think this is going to end well for the likes of you and me. I-The Nulls, Vau, and me, we've been getting an escape route together, and a refuge for any man who wants to leave the GAR without a body bag. And we're getting close to finding out how to stop your accelerated aging. It's a whole new life, ad'ike, a long one like any other human's. Are you in? Will you come with me when I say it's time to run?"
There was another communal silence.
Drip ... drip ... drip. Another leaky faucet joined the first in a quietly insistent chorus.
"So it's true about Ko Sai," Niner said at last.
"We didn't kill her, son, but we've got her research."
Every being needed some certainty in their life. Darman knew that some needed more than others, and he didn't need as much as Atin seemed to, but one thing he did need was to know that Kal Skirata was the honest foundation stone of the clones' sense of identity. Right now, there was nothing solid left under Darman. He was adrift. He couldn't rely on Kal'buir to level with him. The unknown and invisible was worse than incoming fire you could see.
"You never told us," Darman said quietly. "Again, you decide what we get to know."
"Dar, leave it," said Corr. "Soldier's lot in life, that is."
"Kal'buir, you kept us in the dark. Like you kept me in the dark about Kad." Darman found himself looking down into Skirata's eyes, oblivious of everyone else. The pressure in his head, right behind his eyes, felt almost like a bad dose of flu that had hit him in just a few moments. He couldn't hold it much longer. "What else don't you tell us? How can I trust you?"
"Dar, I'm sorry." Skirata put his hands on Darman's arms as if to soothe him, but Darman pulled away. "That's why I'm telling you everything now."
"I said, what else?"
"I'm not holding anything back. At least I don't think I am-"You wouldn't even know if you were lying. It's all just one big lie."
Skirata's eyes changed. Something went out of them; light, life, whatever, but Darman had wounded him. "Son, I'm not exactly an Asrat holy man, I admit that. But whatever I did, however stupid it was, I did because I love you boys more than you'll ever know."
"Liar," said Darman. "Liar."
And he punched Kal 'buir in the face.
Skirata’s lies pushed Darman to the point he doesn’t trust his father. He accused the Mandalorian again for withholding crucial information and in result, taking away choice, the same as happened with little Kad. More importantly, Darman repeatedly called Kal the liar.
IInterestingly, at the beginning of the argument about Darman’s son, Kal said “we” by including Etain, maybe as a way to lessen the burden of guilt? But once Darman pushed the issue, Kal came back to taking the whole blame. Here, he started the sentence as talking solely about himself but switched to including Nulls and Vau (“I-The Nulls, Vau, and me[...]”). Similar thing happened when Mereel was upset that Kal told only Ordo about Etain’s pregnancy. Back then Kal also went with the routine “us”, including Ordo even though the Null didn’t have any real impact on the issue and did what Skirata decided was the best course of action. Which makes me wonder about this tendency to lesser his fault by spreading it into other characters even though he was the one staring the problem on his own. Even the safe place for clones on Mandalore was his idea and without him, Null would not operate against Republic’s best interest, and in result, against other clones dutifully serving it.
It’s hard to blame Darman for the uncontrolled violent fit, as the revelation about his father’s lies and plans happening behind commandos’ back were the breaking point. Vau kicked out others from the room (and himself left too), so Skirata and Darman resolved the problem between themselves, which on one hand makes sense. However, violence itself wasn’t a correct solution as it didn’t change Kal’s controlling tendencies nor didn’t make Darman feel better at the end of it. Similar like with Ordo in True Colors, the narrative soon switched from clone’s raw emotions to overwhelming feeling of guilt for hurting the father:
The shock of the impact traveled up Darman's arm into his shoulder in slow motion. He heard the yells to stop, felt someone grab his arm, but shook them off. Skirata fell against the tiled wall. He started yelling, too; "Leave him, leave him, get out and leave us-" But the feeling didn't stop for Darman, not even when the punch exploded in pain, the feeling that his lungs were going to burst if he didn't get rid of this hammering pulse in his throat. Darman hauled Skirata upright and hit him again. He heard the oof and felt the spit on his face, but Skirata didn't hit back.
"It's okay, son," Skirata gasped, scrambling to his feet, arms held away from his sides. All Darman could see was blood, nothing else. "It's okay. Let it out. I asked for it."
Darman wasn't aware of much else for the next few seconds-maybe minutes, he had no idea-except hitting and hitting and hitting Skirata anywhere he could reach. No focus, no aim; there wasn't even Skirata, not really. There was just this weird rage, half terror, and Darman wanted it out of him because he couldn't draw another breath with it still inside him. Vau was shouting at the others to get out and leave them to it.
Then all Darman could hear was rasping breath. It was his own. Skirata was panting, too. When Darman looked down at his hands, they were raw and bleeding, and his first thought was that he hadn't put his armored gauntlets on, and he was glad. He landed back in reality, shocked. "Kal'buir, I'm sorry, I'm sorry ..." Skirata leaned back against the wall, legs out in front of him. Darman could still only see the blood-not the face, just blood from the old sergeant's nose and mouth. Skirata wiped it with the back of his hand and smeared it everywhere. Darman was almost paralyzed with horror and regret; the smell of the blood made him feel unsteady. But he edged forward and lifted Skirata to his feet.
"Do you want to talk, son?" Skirata paused put one hand on the wall to steady himself, and spat into the nearest basin. He could hardly get the words out. "Or do you ... want to be alone for a while?"
"I'm sorry. Shab, I'm sorry, Buir-" "I'm sorry, too. It's okay. Come here." Skirata embraced him. He actually hugged him, although it felt as if he was also hanging on to him to stay upright. Darman felt he was now in a stranger's body, because he didn't know how he could ever have done such a thing to Kal'buir. He didn't know what had erupted from him. But it had gone away. And Skirata just held him as if he hadn't hurt him at all.
"Now, what do you need son?"
"I don't want to talk," Darman said. "But I don't want to be alone, either."
"It's going to be fine, don't you worry." Skirata spat more bloody saliva. Something hard pinged in the basin. "Everything's going to turn out okay."
And to be honest, Kal and Darman did not truly talk anymore about this moment, nor the issue of broken trust and lies that lead to this moment. Of course, it is understable that Darman felt sorry for what happened and that Kal chose to not fight back, as he didn’t want to hurt his son anymore. But for me the narrative again shifted from son’s [betrayed] feeling to how Kal suffered and the guilt did not leave commando for the rest of the story, while somehow it became irrelevant that Skirata was the reason everything went to hell in the first place. Because beating old Mandalorian down did not solve the problem, as Kal did not learn from his mistake. Again.
In True Colors, Ordo did not prioritize own feelings, did not try to establish a new, more comfortable dynamic between father and son. Instead he solely focused on Kal's pain even though he was the hurt party more than Skirata. In Order 66, Kal was held responsible for his own wrongdoing for a few paragraphs, but in the end, it was Darman that felt the most guilty for his violent fit, even though it was Kal’s lies and secret machination that pushed him into breaking point. 
All forgiven and not really spoken anymore. 
I’m not gonna say Kal turns the situation into presenting himself as the victim rather than the perpetrator on purpose, but it is concerning how the narrative went about this routine at least twice. His two different sons hit the breaking point and actually told him straight in the face how he doesn’t treat them as an adult and how his decisions affect their life, but it seems like the common conclusion is…somehow poor Kal suffers the most.
In that matter Atin and Darman are interesting parallel to each other. Trust of both at some point was broken by men who were their closest parental figures they had on Kamino and whose decisions lead to great suffering. Of course, with Atin, the physical abuse he experienced was never questioned by narrative. Whatever Vau said or felt, the characters and text itself hold him responsible for the beating, the scar and pushing his boys too far. It may not be exploited in great detail, as after Triple Zero this matter was sidelined for other plotlines. Yet despite how much Vau cared for his trainees (and I think no one should have any doubt of that seeing how far he has gone to ensure Kal’s dream comes true), narrative wise, it did not erase or change what Atin himself felt. The offering of forgiveness comes from Atin, on his - and only his terms and it took three years to happen. Sadly, we do not know much about what was happening between the men from True Colors to 501st, if they often interacted off-panel or actually sorted out the problem or why Atin changed mind at all. Of course physical abuse is easier to notice and condemn, so Vau’s cruel and harsh training does not let us dwell if this was abuse or not. Meanwhile Kal’s controlling tendencies lead to questionable decisions that hurt his sons and closest people around him yet often are presented by Skirata - and narrative - as good-intended, out of love. 
(Vau also claimed his harsh, outright abusive training comes from love for his boys but the hell is pavned with good intentions, isn’t it?)
Beside Kal’s tendencies to withhold crucial and/or private information leading to not allowing his sons (and Etain) make their own choices and dunno how to call this properly? In time of facing the consequence, turning people’s feelings to orbite and focus on his emotional pain, the other problem is how almost everyone in the main cast validates these repetitive, harmful behaviors. Obviously, Nulls will always put Kal above themselves, as he is their literal savior who one day showed up on Kamino and rescued them from death when they were just 2(4) years old and their modified genetic predisposition for loyalty solidified this mentality even more. For Omega commandos, Kal was their training sergeant and father in one, and the blurred line of authority, in my opinion, makes it harder to argue for themselves, as they lack the experiences and must rely on Skirata’s wisdom - at least until he broke Darman’s trust, but the guilt quickly put Darman back into “Kal is the best father”.
Then we have Jusik, who somehow lost his backbone once adopted as Kal’s son -  in the rare moment of Kal’s openly voiced self-critic about his controlling habits, instead of actually helping his father to find a balance between protectiveness and letting his kids to have a life they choose, Bardan supports the false belief that Kal does nothing wrong. 
Obviously, his treatment of Etain is the most prominent in the whole series as keeping on purpose someone wholly dependent on him - the pregnant Jedi needed Skirata’s help and would get it only under the terms set by old Mandalorian. And the terms included: him naming the child if Darman couldn’t (and the man couldn’t because he wasn’t told about having a child in the first place), him deciding when Darman should be told the truth, him sending Etain for self-exile on Quilira to hide her growing belly while under supervision from his “agents”, the Gurlans. 
Etain’s inner thoughts during her “exile” are in fact worrying. 
"You need to be careful," said a low, liquid voice. "Or we'll have your nasty little sergeant to answer to."
    Jinart brushed past Etain's legs. The Gurlanin shapeshifter was in her true form of a sleek black carnivore, but she could just as easily have transformed herself into the exact replica of Levet-or Etain.
    Nasty little sergeant. Sergeant Kal Skirata-short, ferocious, angry-had exiled her here for a few months. She'd fallen from grace with him. Now that she was several months' pregnant, she'd started to understand why. "I m being careful," Etain said.
    "He holds me responsible for your safety."
    "You're scared of him, aren't you?"
    "And so are you, girl."
    Etain draped her brown robes carefully to disguise the growing bulge of pregnancy and pulled another loose coat on top. Teklet was in the grip of winter, which was just as well: the excuse for voluminous clothes was welcome. But even without the top layer, she didn't look conspicuously pregnant. She just felt it, tired and lonely.
Etain’s first reaction to Jinart’s statement that she was scared of Skirata was to drape her robes to hide her pregnancy - a rather defensive gesture. There is no inner thought that Kal would never hurt her or take away the child as he promised to do if she did something against his will. It took months for Etain to think that Skirata sent her on this isolated planet for her safety, not as punishment for falling from his grace. The first things she associated with Skirata was “short, ferocious, angry”.
[...]
It's hard not to tell him. It's hard not to mention the baby when he asks how I am. His baby.
    But Skirata forbade her to tell him. She almost understood why.
    Jinart continued her progression of controlled leaps. She probably hunted that way, Etain thought, pouncing on small animals burrowed deep in the snow. "Skirata will be furious if you miscarry."
    Maybe not. He was angry enough when he found out I was pregnant. "I'm not going risk upsetting Kal. You know the politics of this."
    "I know he means what he says. He'll have a warship reduce Qiilura to molten slag if I cross him."
    Yes, he would. Etain believed him, too. Skirata would rip a hole in the galaxy if it improved the lot of the clone troops in his care. "Just under three months, and then I won't be your problem any longer."
Thinking that Kal would not be angry if she miscarried since he was furious when he learned she was pregnant? And then, I’m not going to risk upsetting Kal, instead of simply worrying about the child's safety as priority? Yeah, this is so wrong on so many accounts. 
Etain spent months feeling like Skirata was angry at her and him being actually nice to her was surprising. Even though Ordo already assured her Kal wasn’t angry at her. 
    "No . . . Bardan knew before I told Kal, actually. He sensed it." She let out a long sigh and clasped her hands on her belly as if it were much larger than it actually was. "Is he still angry with me?"
    "You'd know if he was [...]
and then:
And this was the first time she'd seen Skirata since their blazing row when she told him she'd let herself conceive without Darman knowing, and he'd exiled her to Qiilura. She felt stupid and selfish now, looking back on how she expected him to be the instantly doting grandfather, but one thing remained certain: the Force showed her she was right to have this child.
    She braced for either a frosty reception or a renewed rant on her shortcomings, one of which was being a Jedi. Skirata looked up.
    "Ad'ika!" he said, not a hint that they'd ever argued. "How are you, girl?"
    Oh. "I'm .. . okay, Kal, all things considered."
    "Look, I'm sorry Qiilura went to osik. I'd never have suggested it if I'd thought the vhette were going to put up a fight." He stood up and faced her with the awkward air of someone trying not to notice or comment on her bump, but it seemed to trigger some anxiety in him. Mereel still looked as if he was meditating. "Jusik's intercepted Delta. He can't steer them away from Tropix, not since our chatty Twi'lek buddy mentioned it to them, but he's giving them a very rambling and unspecific briefing on the geology of the islands." Ordo's comlink chirped, and he walked a few meters aft to sit on the cowling of the port drive to answer it. Mereel got to his feet and went to join him.
Etain and Kal’s relationship got better with time, but there is a visible uncertainty on her part - being again on Skirata’s good side wasn’t permanent and she could never know for sure for how long:
Etain drew her lightsaber out of her pocket and simply let Ko Sai see the hilt.
    "Come anywhere near me or my child," she said, "and you'll find out just how little I've embraced the peace and serenity they tried to teach me at the academy." Skirata winked at her. "Mandokarla ..." Mereel sat Etain down on a wide, deeply upholstered bench against the wall and shoved a few cushions behind her back. "He says you've got the right stuff."
    So she was back on Skirata's good side, for the time being anyway. [TC]
In the end Kal gave Etain permission to tell Darman the truth about having a child (something akin to one year after Venku’s birth). Yet up to the moment of seeing the newborn, Skirata actually planned to take the child away from Jedi. In the end, it was an emotional response to seeing little Venku in the arms of mother that changed his mind, no guilt for his prior action itself. 
One may argue that Etain was a “special case” as she was a Jedi and got pregnant without asking Darman if he would ever want to have a kid with her. But it does not change the fact that through the books we could see her emotionally unsure of her place in regard to Skirata, often in doubt if he was angry at her or not and actually being surprised when he acted as loving father toward her again. 
This uncertainty is not something she did feel around Vau. And she herself described Walon as a person who “always seemed utterly calm in the Force, even when he was shoving a vibroblade down someone’s gullet [O66].” The lack of any warning in the Force if she even irks him too much should be a concern yet Etain and Walon worked well despite their differences and Vau’s personal hate for Jedi. Even her shaky relationship with Ordo was easier to navigate. He may not like her in any special way but tried for Darman’s sake and the all eventual  “collisions” between them were usually discussed and sorted quite soon after the incidents.
But the emotional dependence wasn’t only seen with Etain. Ordo is especially the prominent example, as he got the most pages dedicated to his POV out of all Nulls.
In the previously mentioned scene between Etain and Ordo, the man himself admitted how Kal “just tries too hard to put the galaxy right” for them while he does not acknowledge that Nulls are now grown up men capable of facing the harsh world (“it isn't his job to do it now that we're grown men."). But when asked by Jedi if he ever told that straight up to Kal’s face, he denied it so Ordo’s wish to be treated as an adult was not voiced in the proper way. Not out of fear of his father (as Etain thought which speaks a lot about her own fear of Skirata) but because Ordo was “scared of not being worthy of him”. 
  "You'd know if he was. Kal'buir just tries too hard to put the galaxy right for us, but it can't be done, and it isn't his job to do it now that we're grown men."
 "Have you ever told him that?"
    "Not in those words, exactly."
    "So you're scared of him, too."
    "No. I'm scared of not being worthy of him."
    "No pressure, then ..."
    It was hard when someone devoted their entire life to your welfare, a mounting debt that never got paid. Ordo wanted to see Kal'buir get a decent night's sleep in a proper bed, and have his ankle fixed. He wanted him to find a nice woman to take care of him; in fact, he wanted all the things for his buir that the man wanted for his sons, more or less. "I'd better warn him we're coming when we drop out of hyperspace."
    "Why didn't you call him earlier?"
    "Because he would have told me to take you back to Coruscant, and I would never disobey him."
    "Even if he's wrong?"
    Ordo didn't always agree with Skirata, but that was a long way from him being wrong. "He needs me there."
This is just one example of many, in which Ordo idolizes Kal, as a father and savior, but lacks a certain emotional independence from the man. Because of that he goes with Skirata’s openly voiced decisions even if he personally does not agree with those. This is especially seen in Null’s modus operandi - he can’t disobey father because he is afraid to disappoint him. So to do things his way, Ordo avoids direct confrontation -  as long as he does not hear the proper decision (order) or is not asked a question to which he couldn’t lie to, he technically does not “break the rule”.  I find it problematic only partially due to Ordo circling around the task given by father instead of simply telling Skirata that he decided to do something differently than he was told. Alternatively, arguing that Skirata’s plan was too flawed and should not be followed through.
The other problem lies in the fact that Ordo and his brothers’ privacy is vulnerable and it is not even up to Kal’s good or ill intention. One wrong question, one ill timed remark, and Ordo may feel obliged to spill the beans. Like was noted in Triple Zero, when Ordo kept in secret Mereel’s return from Kamino, solely because he wanted to positively surprise his father.
    Ordo accepted it was a risk, but risks were relative. And Skirata hadn't expressed interest at his advanced ordnance skills, so he could still keep Mereel's return as a surprise.
    He was going to be pleased with Mereel's news on Ko Sai, too.
Normally, a person would keep that occurance a secret whether their father asked or not, but that would include a bit of non-harmful lying, something Ordo seems to not be comfortable with in regard to his father. This dependence of course is only partially due to strong emotional ties with Skirata. Mandalorian’s (emotionally) controlling issues could strengthen the problem, but its roots lie in how clones were raised and treated by Kaminoans way before any instructor showed up on Kamino. On that record, Sev’s anxiety may also be only partially the fault of Walon Vau, and be rooted in specific upbringing (additionally, data from Republic Commando game’s loading screen and Prima Guide book suggest that Sev may have psychological problems to begin with). 
Similar note how Nulls were dependent and tied to Skirata was done in True Colors (Besany’s POV):
Mereel shrugged. "That I took a big risk getting the information that led me to ask you for more information."
    "What's Kal's view on this?" She didn't even have to ask if Kal Skirata knew. The Nulls didn't seem to take a breath without asking him first. Their allegiance was to him, not the Republic; but while she could understand the power of his aggressive charisma, she wasn't sure if it was a good idea. "And what happens if I get caught?"
Even Jusik, who was on definitely better terms with Kal than Etain ever was, somehow lost his confidence after he officially became Skirata’s son.
As Kal noted himself, his family may be scared of his temper: 
"Interesting choice of mother figure." Skirata could hardly blame Gilamar for wanting to be the archetypal Mando buir to any child in need. He decided to worry about Scout later. "So has anyone else got a surprise for me?"
"Yes," said Jusik. "Djinn Altis. Etain was invited to join them with Kad and Dar if she felt like it."
Jusik blurted it out as if he wanted to rid himself of the knowledge. Skirata felt his chest sink under the weight of loss.
Etain could have survived Order 66, then.
Skirata was learning to stop himself running through endless what-ifs, because a different fork in the road had been taken. He couldn't change history, and he couldn't live with the pain of being reminded that things could have been different. He had to walk away and accept that was how things had turned out.
It was a massive effort. He usually failed.
"Bard'ika," he said, "if I ever make you feel you have to pick the right time to tell me things, I'm sorry. You should never have to tread on eggs with me, son."
He didn't mean it as a rebuke. He really did worry that his temper scared his family from telling him things.
"I just don't like opening wounds," Jusik said. "Altis said he'd like to meet you sometime."
"I'd like to meet him, too. Especially as Dar and Niner are keeping tabs on him." [IC: 501st]
Which really leaves Vau as the only one person willing and actually openly arguing with Skirata over crucial matters (Maze to some degree too, albeit he joined recently and it is not given he will stay with Skirata clan. Author’s notes for canceled Imperial Commando sequel hinted he would rather team up with Zey and have their own adventures in galaxy, far away from Skirata)
It makes sense that up to leaving Coruscant, neither Vau nor Skirata wanted to involve clone commandos into their scheme for their own and clones’ safety - or in case of Vau, to not let them cross between soldering and the criminal world (x)(x). But living on the planet Mandalore, this won’t be an acceptable excuse anymore. Nulls, Omega Squad and other troopers who came with Mandalorians or joined later, were promised a normal life, with full lifespan and freedom. Sooner than later they will want to live on their own terms, thus the military rank and built on it hierarchy shouldn’t matter and all former Mandalorian sergeants will need to accept said change. And by doing so, acknowledge the clones aren’t anymore the little boys they met a decade ago.
Here is the thing - Vau knew Nulls to some degree and most likely was told about them even more by Skirata but on Kamino he rather wasn’t privy to how the relationship between Kal and his boys truly looked. When he was looking at Skirata and Mereel during True Colors, he saw a father doting on his son and son loving deeply his father..
Vau was usually immune to Skirata’s polar extremes of emotion, but for a few seconds the old chakaar and his surrogate son simply looked at each other as if there was nothing that mattered in the galaxy, and Vau felt genuine envy.
It wasn’t Skirata he envied. It was Mereel, for having a father who doted on him so much he could do not wrong.
But now living in the same space, Vau can get a new perspective on the relationship between Kal and his sons, all the nuances of their informal hierarchy (Ordo the favorite son, Mereel the second prominent one, rest somehow in the background) or how said relationships affect the rest members of their clan. There should be no doubt that Skirata loved Nulls or Omegas or any other son that came along the way, but the text hinted on some questionable behavior of his that may stand out more than before. How Kal wants to be part of his men’s life but has trouble seeing them as actual adult people already caused serious troubles - and the case of Darman was not an isolated incident. His favoritism of Ordo affects not only Nulls and relationship between all members of the clan, but Ordo as person as well. Evan Kal’s approach to mental health of Nulls can be put into question, depending on the personal interpretation of provided texts from all books.
(Not to mention the possibility that some clones may come out as asexual or homosexual including clone/clone relationships or anything else standing out from the heterosexual normativity presented by the books. Kal Skirata and Mij Gilmar especially strike me as the straight men; Skirata deeply influenced trained by him clones in that regard, not to mention how the majority of characters suspiciously ended officially only in heterosexual marriages/relationship as far as we know. Vau stands out in that matter but more about that was presented in a different meta if anyone is interested).
  Vau asked once Skirata “How far is too far, Kal? Can you answer that?” In the Triple Zero the question was about the accepted line in training and how far they were willing to push their trainees to ensure their survival during war. However the question is also fitting the ongoing “conflict” in which Kal struggles to find the healthy balance between protectiveness of his boys and acceptance they no longer are terrified children who badly need him to tell them what to do.
It doesn't really matter if Vau was the more distant parental figure while Kal the comforting, openly emotional one because in the end both for years were part of a system that transformed little innocent boys into fully trained, hardened commandos. Vau’s abuse was more tangible and spoken about, but the books - especially Hard Contact and Triple Zero - mentioned Kal too threw verbal insults on his trainees, took part in live ammo exercises (and killed at least one commando by incident) and generally followed with what was expected from him. So at the end of the day, both are guilty of working for Jango Fett/Kaminoans and by doing so, supporting an abusive environment that treated clones as property first and foremost. I think it is right to assume Kal and Vau’s attempt to create a safe place for deserters from GAR is a form of seeking redemption, as both care deeply for their former trainees. 
However the big difference between Vau and Skirata is that text gives us strong ground to assume Walon in fact changed the way he interacts with clones, why Kal still struggles to separate himself from the authoritative parental figure. As he said himself, “A father's responsibility doesn't have an expiry date” [O66] yet Vau has also a solid point about not treating those men as children unable to deal with adult responsibilities and making correct choices. 
In Triple Zero, in Vau and Skirata’s first introduction - the first confrontation - Walon assured he has changed and so should Kal ("I've moved on," said Vau. "And it's time you did [...]”) which I think sums pretty much the difference. Because what we know about Vau from Kamino is different from how he now interacts with other people. There is no more violent act against Deltas for messing anything (as Sev worried) or Atin (minus their final fight in TZ, nota bene started by Atin himself) or any clone. Franky, beside all the operations against the widely understood “enemy”, Vau only once truly acted aggressively against his fellow companion, as was seen during confrontation with Kal about Order 66 / Jango’s revenge. We even heard him praising various characters through the story (for example: the whole team working on Coruscant, Etain, Mereel, Jaing) and when Scorch hit the breaking point, Walon apparently talked with him to ensure everything was okay - sadly off panel but since text does not mention it went horrible for Scorch, I think it is right to assume nothing worrying happened then. The point is, the text gave plenty of examples to assume that Walon in fact has changed, as he is not using any physical, emotional or verbal violence against his former trainees anymore and was even noted to “soften” during war (Scorch’s POV).
All of this of course does not magically undo the damage done to his boys and sadly, the book series does not really focus that deeply on Vau, Atin and Delta Squad’s relationship and their inner workings. We know more or less what Vau, Atin, Scorch and Sev were thinking about each other but we don’t see them interact directly that much. But at least there is a starting point to hope for the best. With Kal - and I’m saying it solely from my interpretation of his characters and source material - the matter is more worrying, as he time after time repeats the same mistake without learning from it. He takes charge of his sons’ life without actually asking for their opinion on the matter or forgets (ignore?) the power imbalance between them, in which especially Nulls struggle to oppose the decision made by their father (literal savior!). All because Skirata doesn’t like to lose control over plans/situations, thinks he knows the best and/or doesn’t think his sons will be emotionally ready to face the task or consequences of their decisions.  
So we come back to the main question of the analysis. How long will Walon tolerate Skirata’s bad habits before he will need to interfere and knock some sense in the man’s head about accepting clones’ choices? Because I do wonder about that a lot. 
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You remember how during the hunt for Ko Sai, the team needed to find a way to pass the small underwater entrance to what seemed to be Kaminoan's laboratory so Mereel decided to rent a shark-shaped boat? 
I absolutely love the difference between Vau’s first reaction (”Fierfek, it looked like fun”) and Kal’s wanting to say fuck no but trying so hard to keep up appearances and being nervous about getting inside that thing.The whole trip to abduct Ko Sai was definitely way too fun for Walon since the whole deal brings up to surface his “inner sailor”, the part of Irmenu that he seems to like and enjoy very much while Kal simply suffered for he was the only one who “never completed the diving course”. Talk about a good family trip.
(Also, side note, but Vau must really have a great knowledge about nautical matters, if he was on spot able to name the potential species of shark (x) that Wave-Chaser was designed to resemble? I swear, if Vau did not teach Deltas and Atin some sea traditions and sailor skills, I’m gonna be so disappointed!)
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My RepCom Musing: Men in kitchen... or lack of thereof
With more than twenty mouths to feed, meals at Kyrimorut had now acquired an industrial scale. The complex was more than a house. It was yaim-part barracks, part hotel, part married quarters, part farmhouse, the archetypal Mandalorian clan home. They were lucky that Laseema, Atin's Twi'lek wife, had worked in a restaurant and so could manage a kitchen. She knew all the complicated stuff about portion sizes and making sure everything was ready at the same time. Ny was happy to take orders from her.
Imperial Commando: 501st
I’m trying very hard to remember that this paragraph shows us the Ny’s POV but even then this does not put men of the RC series in a good light. I’m sorry but oh so genius NULLs who can create a complicated programs presumably based on mathematical algorithms to steal incredible amount of money from banks and who can pilot a hybrid of space and submarine ship just by reading manual couldn’t figure out how to deal with portion sizes or cooking two things at the same time? Even working together, in pairs or ya know, all the six super soldiers putting their big brain to use? I’m sorry, Mandalorian veterans who are soldiers and part of the army all their lives aren’t capable of going into the kitchen to make a proper meal for their family because 20 people to feed is such a horrible and difficult task? Laseema is awesome, sure, but she didn’t married Atin to be tied to kitchen because men apparently are fucking useless in this homestead. Not to mention she worked as waitress and sex-worker dancer, not as cook which is a huge difference between serving food and preparing it.
And yeah, Ny may just assume the Skirata clan is lucky to have Laseema to take care of things because feeding so many people is hard and she is doing so well, but I think it could be much easier if the men actually deign to come to help. Because when it comes to cooking meals, it is Laseema, Besany, Jilka, Ruu Skirata, Ny (on her own choice to help) and even Arla Fett:
In the kitchen, Vau, Uthan, and Gilamar sat at the table watching the holonews, while Besany and Jilka helped Arla serve up the meals. It was the first time Arla had joined them. She looked lost, but then a kitchen was a chaotic, noisy place after years in a padded cell.
Like, SERIOUSLY? I’m so angry I’m willing to quote all the moments when our female characters are mentioned closely tied to kitchen and cooking just to prove this point.
The only two (three) men I’m willing to give some slack are:
ATIN
Who gutted and most likely scraped the fish scales for Laseema:
Ny was surprised by the rebuke, but Jilka didn't snap back. She went on chopping, eyes fixed on the table. Atin came in carrying a plastoid bowl full of gleaming freshly caught fish.
"Kaminoans eat fish, don't they?" he said, as if he was having second thoughts. "I never asked back in Tipoca. We didn't eat with them."
Laseema picked up a fish by its tail. "Did you gut them properly?"
"Of course I did. And it's going to take me ages to get the smell off my hands."
"You're a darling. Now all I need is some gihaal stock to poach them in."
CORR
Corr poked his head around the kitchen door. Ny wondered if Jilka could tell all the clones apart yet.
"Can I hide in here, please, ladies?" He gave them his best cheeky-boy smile and swaggered in. "The atmosphere's a bit intense out there. Aiwha-bait alert."
"Since when does the kitchen have a FEMALES ONLY sign outside?" Jilka asked. "Make yourself useful, soldier."
Corr winked, took the knife from her hand, and began chopping with surprising speed and skill. The more surprising thing was that she let him.
and
"Who's for more eggs?" Corr yelled over the hubbub. He'd volunteered for kitchen detail with Ny this week, probably to impress Jilka, and Ordo decided it was working. She watched Corr when she thought he wasn't looking. "Make the most of these. The nuna can't keep up with you greedy shab'ikase. It'll be boiled mealgrain until they start laying again."
(and yeah, the first mention of Corr’s help was about him trying to hide in kitchen to avoid a tense atmosphere created by Kal meeting a Kaminoan Jedi survivor of Purge and later, he tried to impress Jilka but he at least was in the kitchen helping ladies)
and honorable mention of WALON VAU:
While Besany wrestled with dough, and Scout and Ruu sliced the haunch of shatual that Mird and Vau had hunted, Ny made igatli from scratch, following a recipe on a datapad propped on the kitchen table.
And yes, Fi, Parja and Corr hunted too and generally all members of the clan clan helped with fishing, but the text at least strongly suggests that Scout and Ruu got not so much as a hunted animal to deal with, but skinned (and gutted?) one so the meat is ready to be portioned for a meal or preserved to eat in the future.
That is. The three men who are apparently reliable. And surprise, surprise none of them is Kal or trained from start Kal’s boys. Geez.
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Hey, do you remember this scene?
Some of the items in the bag were priceless antiques. "Beshavo ancestral icon," Ordo said, and held up a time-stained square of gilded parchment. Collectors would happily shoot their mothers for it. They certainly shot each other. "I hope you know a reliable fence in the fine art world, Kal'buir, because we're going to need one."
 "The fine arts," Skirata said, fighting a hysterical urge to giggle, "are my natural territory."
 "You're an uncultured savage," said Vau.
[True Colors]
I absolutely love this little snippet, because it seems that Kal, despite previous animosity between them and generally having an opposite view on almost everything, actually listened and acknowledged Vau’s opinion:
Skirata knew he was everything Vau said - thug, thief, killer, uncultured oaf, and way too emotional.But he knew how to fight - anything, anytime - and he knew how to love.  [Order 66]
The thug, thief and killer is written into mercenary job. That Kal was way too emotional was part of their major disagreement how to train clones. But the uncultured savage/oaf is so hilarious to me, because this has nothing really to do with Mandalorian norms and I strongly suspect not even much in regard to their access to education.
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My RepCom Musing: Vau’s adoptive father
 In True Colors we learned that Walon Vau at some point was officially adopted by unknown [Mandalorian] man:
    Even I had a second father to adopt me ... too late, maybe, but better than never...
This makes me wonder, did Kal know the unnamed man or that Vau was adopted at all? And if yes, was the man also brutal/abusive? Because at the end of Order 66, Skirata thought that 
"I know he did Walon," Skirata said. Vau had never had a father worthy of the name; all things considered he'd done his best to be one himself. "I know he does. He's missing. Missing men often get found. Our missing men will be found."
This statement (and knowledge about Vau’s proper adoption into mandalorian family) could also put in different light the scene from Triple Zero, in which both men talked about their families:
[Etain] turned to Vau. "Do you see your men as your sons?"
"Of course I do. I have no others. It's why I made them into survivors. Don't think I don't love them just because I don't spoil them like kids."
    "Here we go," Skirata said, all contempt. "He's going to tell you that his father beat the osik out of him and it made a man of him. Never did him any harm, no sir."
Since the whole talk revolved around the subject of the biological family, logically Kal’s statement should be about the Vau Senior. Yet the next books provided insight into Walon’s mind and he openly hates biological family, something Skirata seemed to be aware of? And Walon never said anything alongside the line that his biological parent, in any way, made him a true man and even acknowledged that his “black heart” is the only true legacy inherited from the man. Which makes me wonder did Kal (unknown to Etain who at that point did not know much about Mandalorian culture) simply started talking about the Vau’s adoptive father without emphasizing the “adoptive” part as for Mandalorians this was totally unimportant detail, too busy arguing with Vau about something they argued for years probably?
Additionally, Vau most likely joined Mandalorians at pretty young age, if we take into account his statements about Mird (the strill was with him since “boyhood” [TC] and since he “joined the Mandalorians” [TZ]), so it seems logical to assume he was part of someone’s Mandalorian family/clan, no matter if  the proper adoption happened years later. So the quote “his father beat the osik out of him and it made a man of him” could also refer to the Mandalorian who for whatever reason decided to take young Vau (a survivor of domestic abuse coming from aristocratic messed up family) and “straighten” him up to make the boy/teenager(?) a proper man (Mandalorian) in my honest opinion.
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