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spuffy doodle bc i was bored and i love this couple sm
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Rewatching currently and guys he's SO me like we're literally the same person. Sidenote but being blond on purpose by choice is absolutely a mental illness and man is he sick. Anyways he's SO ME
#me too bestie
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#spuffy#buffy summers#spike btvs#are they flirting or fighting? yes your honor#spuffy text post#spuffy meme#BtVS#spuffy is endgame
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Honestly I've never seen a good argument for Buffy not loving Spike.
#“she said it just to make him feel better” she doesnt really say things she doesnt mean ESPECIALLY about love.#“she loves him as a friend” lmao could you imagine this scene playing out with xander? no? shocking.#“she thinks she does but she doesnt” what.#“she said it just to mess with/be mean to him” what kind of person do you think she is? do you hate her?#“she cant love him bc she still loves angel and always will” debatable. also you can love 2 ppl at once I promise.#i believe that she does bc 1) she shows it throughout s7 2) she literally says she does and 3) no one can give a good reason why she doesnt#yeah this is a hater bitch post. and what of it.#btvs#buffy summers#spike btvs#spuffy
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love how buffy basically treats spike like her own reddit (giles is her wikipedia). everytime she doesn`t get the legit answer from the source that has centuries of data, she is like okay i guess it`s time to hit the streets for the real information! spike, how did you kill two previous slayers so that i know how not to die? spike, do you know anything about that monster? spike, what about this one? spike, i came to thee to gather the so much needed knowledge on that thing cause who else i would go to when you are the only useful one. hey, spike, do you-
#she really likes to pump him#for information obviously duh#actually it`s her excuse to legally hang out with him and talk#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer#buffy summers#spuffy#spike#spike btvs
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S6 was where Spike was demanding and fitting into his skewed assumption of what Buffy was demanding. Ultimately I think that is one part of why Soulless Spike wouldn't be the right fit for Buffy.
He needed a soul to understand and to be accountable for his Soulless actions. So in s7 we see him (struggling with insanity) and listening to Buffy being there for her. Spike over the course of s7 learns to not demand anything but offer his admiration for Buffy.
“I think she didn’t know why she was there, except she wanted to be with someone… who wasn’t demanding anything of her… and wasn’t expecting anything. And someone who could understand.” - Jane Espenson
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Spike as text posts
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propaganda I will not be falling for (btvs edition)
Spuffy was "too toxic" and "would never work" (it was the least toxic relationship either of them was in the entire time and the only reason he did that one thing was bc the show runners didn't like the fandom loving them more than angel x buffy)
faith is straight
Xander and Willow should've been endgame
The "girlfriend with a tongue piercing" joke wasn't the funniest fucking thing in the whole show
Spike never had a crush on Angel
#btvs#buffy#spuffy#THEY BELONG TOGETHER YOUR HONOR#THEY LOVED EACH OTHER MORE THAN ANYONE ON THAT SHOW HE FUCKING D I E D FOR HER#“no you don't” bitch WHAT you're stupid#she loved him back.
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Been busy prepping for hellmouth con so here’s a happy pride doodle .
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spike waiting for buffy to notice his effort and praise him for not drinking blood of the innocent bystander who is bleeding out:
#the sacrifice!#man will do his best and she still won`t even pet his head#and who is the coldhearted one here huh??#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer#buffy summers#spuffy#spike#spike btvs
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Absolutely sick and twisted that all he wants is to show off his love and yet accepts that she doesn't and just reassures her that he's okay with it
Buffy the Vampire Slayer 6.13 | "Dead Things"
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I am ashamed to admit I do ship spike x buffy even thought blonde people fucking each other is a form of mental illness
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a question for the group. do we think spike and dru got back together after 3x08. because drusilla's disillusionment, while primarily about how she doesn't think he's demon enough anymore, in the 5x07 flashback it's obvious that she's breaking up with him because she thinks he's in love with buffy, and that his obsession for the slayer (the concept not just buffy) is all she can see on him, and it is preventing them from moving forward because drusilla knows that he isn't done with her or the slayer yet. she leaves in 5x14 because she thinks he can't be saved from the goodness that the slayer is leaving on him (and while he is too evil for buffy atp, he is too not-evil for dru).
so post 3x08, pre 4x03. we know harmony and spike don't happen until post 3x22, and harmony tells buffy dru left him for a fungus demon. i kinda call bullshit on that. don't get me wrong it's entirely possible, but i don't think they got back together. (and yes the writing is inconsistent over the years so the scene in 5x07 in prague could be something different but honestly this scene blew me away when i first saw it. it essentially confirmed that 3x08 had unreliable narrator disease which is so interesting. spike completely misread their breakup, he had to have, because otherwise his revelation about buffyfeelings would have come much sooner especially with 4x09).
thoughts?
#btvs#spuffy#spike btvs#do we think we made that up but the thing is spike is not a good liar#fan theory#it's just vague#drusilla btvs#drusilla i love her
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i could listen to james talk forever, that man is so passionate about everything he talks about. istg he could do lectures and i would attend every single one of them. acting, theatre, buffy, Shakespeare idc- he talks about it, i will listen.
#including the bullshit they talk ab on their podcast#i love them#james marsters#buffyverse#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer#spuffy#spike btvs#spike
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THANK YOU. Spike x Buffy always & forever 💕
the long-term impact of buffy’s relationship with angel on her perception of love and her self-worth deserved to be explored more. the show touches on it a few times, but it didn't get nearly enough focus, considering how formative this first romantic experience was.
from the beginning, their relationship is doomed by the narrative : the soul curse, the slayer vs. vampire dynamic, angel's constant disappearing acts, etc. when angel loses his soul, he immediately expresses hatred for buffy. angelus doesn't feel an ounce of love for the girl. whatever angel felt never transferred to his uninhibited counterpart, angelus.
ANGELUS : She made me feel like a human being. That's not the kind of thing you just forgive. (Innocence, 2x14).
from the age of sixteen, buffy starts associating intimacy (emotional and physical) with punishment and hurt. her love is poison. it's the root of evil (angel losing his soul after their first time) and it hurts the people she loves (giles losing jenny). love becomes laced with guilt.
BUFFY (to Giles) : I'm sorry I couldn't kill him for you... for [Jenny]... when I had the chance. (Passion, 2x17)
angel taints buffy's sense of self. he makes her doubt herself. he never stops bringing up her age and immaturity (shocker, high school girl isn't an adult!!!!). it's a recurring theme in their relationship, one the show gives up on for some reason, but it was very much present in the beginning.
ANGEL : You're sixteen years old. I'm two hundred and forty-one. BUFFY: I've done the math. ANGEL : You don't know what you're doing, you don't know what you want... (Reptile Boy, 2x05)
this imbalance is a constant, but both shows gloss it over or try to reverse it. there’s a scene in angel’s spin-off where buffy finds faith with him and asks that she face legal consequences (a reasonable demand for someone who just stole her body). but buffy is painted as the irrational party by the writing. worse, when angel grabs buffy’s arm to stop her from going after a fleeing faith and she fights back, he justifies hitting her, completely disregarding her trauma and focusing on her physicality to distract the viewer from his emotional manipulation.
BUFFY : You hit me. ANGEL : Not to go all schoolyard on you, but you hit me first. In case you've forgotten, you're a little bit stronger than I am. (Sanctuary, 1x19)
the show insists on buffy’s strength, but ignores the emotional and situational imbalance. angel is older, more experienced, and constantly undermines her feelings. the narrative minimizes his mind-games by deflecting. angel twists buffy's need for justice into revenge. he takes her justified pain and shapes it into something vile, gaslighting buffy and invalidating her feelings.
ANGEL : Buffy, this wasn't about you! This was about saving somebody's soul. (...) ANGEL : You came because of Faith. You were looking for vengeance. (Sanctuary, 1x19)
angel plays tricks on buffy's mind during her most formative years. every time he dismisses her pain and struggles, it confirms her insecurities and feeds the voice in her head telling her she's the problem.
there are moments where buffy actively tries to change herself, be someone she's not just to please angel. she tries to lose herself in a performance for the older guy. one notable instance is her halloween costume choice : a woman from angel’s era, prettier from buffy's point of view, a woman that he would have been attracted to back then. ironically, buffy actually does lose herself because the costume is cursed.
BUFFY (to Angel) : I just wanted to be a real girl for once. The kind of fancy girl you liked when you were my age. (Halloween, 2x06)
not only does her love for angel cause tragedy and evil, it also makes her feel small, not worthy, not enough. it touches her self-esteem. this is apparent when angel mocks buffy after their first time, tapping right into her teenage insecurities :
ANGELUS : You got a lot to learn about men, kiddo. Although I guess you proved that last night. BUFFY : What are you saying? ANGELUS : Let's not make an issue out of it, okay? In fact, let's not talk about it at all. It happened. BUFFY : I don't understand. Was it me? Was I not good? (Innocence, 2x14)
he is later painted as the older guy who changed after sex. the show veers off-course in season 3 and completely disregards this aspect of their relationship in order to paint them as a tragic romance instead of sticking with the original subtext : teenage buffy, the "kiddo", being groomed and blaming herself.
BUFFY : Do you remember that guy Angel? JOYCE : Angel, the, um... the college boy who was tutoring you in history? BUFFY : (...) We're sort of dating, were dating. Going through a serious off-again phase right now. JOYCE : Don't tell me. He's changed. He's not the same guy you fell for? (Passion, 2x17)
you can see the impact later with parker. buffy thinks something is wrong with her. her instinct when parker decides that she was just a one-night stand is to put the blame on herself and question her worth, reminiscent of her conversation with angel after their first time :
BUFFY : Parker did I do something wrong? PARKER : Something wrong? No, of course not. It was fun. (...) PARKER : I'm sorry if you missed something. I thought things were pretty clear. BUFFY : I'm sorry if I miss. I'm sorry. PARKER : Look, I really have to go now. BUFFY : Parker wait. I did this all wrong.
angel was the first love that turned evil because of her touch. he was the first love that didn’t stay. so in buffy’s mind, it rings “this is all my fault” alarm bells. she’s not worth staying for. people leaving is her responsibility. it's always the slayer's responsibility.
then she settles for riley despite the lack of love or passion, to regain the normalcy that was shattered by angel. her relationship with riley only happens because of the damage angel caused.
BUFFY : I think [Riley] cares about me but I just feel like something's missing. WILLOW : He's not making you miserable? BUFFY : Exactly. Riley seems so solid. Like he wouldn't cause me heartache. (...) WILLOW : The pain is not a friend. BUFFY : (...) Part of me believes that real love and passion have to go hand in hand with pain and fighting. I wonder where I get that from. (Something Blue, 4x09)
she stays with him even though she’s clearly not fulfilled (running away to slay vampires in the middle of the night instead of staying with him). but even then, riley leaves. being in a relationship with the slayer hurt him in some way (well, his ego). buffy was caught in yet another relationship where she had to change herself, this time because she was too intimidating for regular human riley.
all the men in buffy’s romantic and sexual life made her feel like she tainted them in some way. they were worse off with her. angel loses his soul. she wasn’t good enough for parker. she was too slayer-y for riley. she voices this insecurity to angel in the series finale :
BUFFY : I always feared there was something wrong with me, you know, because I couldn’t make it work. (Chosen, 7x22)
this all starts with angel and bleeds into every single one of her relationships because he shaped her worldview at such a young age. angel being completely unable to love her without a soul also made it impossible for her to accept spike's love, at first. because if spike could love her, then why couldn't angel?
BUFFY : And the joke is... [Spike] loved me. I mean, in his own sick, soulless way, he really did care for me. But I didn't want to be loved. (Conversations With Dead People, 7x07)
accepting spike's unconditional love for her, with or without a soul, would mean confronting the reality of her relationship with angel. it was a superficial love that never transcended soul, conscience or morality. it wasn't deeply ingrained in the deepest parts of him (angel and angelus). strip angel of his inhibitions and he only has loathing for her. strip spike of his soul, and the love stays. twisted, perverted, selfish, but there. real and strong enough to make him want to be better on his own, no curse needed.
for spike, the humanity he gained from loving buffy was a gift he was grateful for, because he's always longed for humanity and never fully severed the link with it.
SPIKE : I know that I’m a monster, but you treat me like a man. (The Gift, 5x22)
he tries to be better for her, as much as his lack of conscience allows. from the start, buffy planted the seeds of his soul quest. it wasn't a spur of the moment thing. it was a process. when willow's spell backfires in Tabula Rasa (6x08), spike, stripped of his memories, already thinks he has a soul. even then, he instinctively gravitates towards buffy and tries to do good. his bond with buffy doesn't depend on souls or memories.
buffy being better and stronger than him—because of her soul, her true goodness, her slayer power—never scared him or drove him away. it intrigued him. it pushed him to stay. spike keeps coming back to buffy. it's all about buffy.
DRUSILLA : You're all covered with her. I look at you, all I see is the Slayer. (Fool For Love, 5x07)
at first, spike tries to drag buffy down with him, to keep her in the darkness, where he belongs. he isolates her further from her friends after her resurrection. by then, corrupting her is the only way for him to have her.
SPIKE : That's not your world. You belong in the shadows... with me. (Dead Things, 6x13)
but spike ends up having an epiphany thanks to love. the only way is to rise to her level. he's beneath her and he accepts it.
SPIKE : We were never together. Not really. She'd never lower herself that far. (Seeing Red, 6x19)
this is the culmination of years and years of performing goodness to please her, failing, trying again, that lead to one conclusion : he needs the missing piece. it's love that leads him to this. he got his soul back to be her equal. buffy is intricately tied to spike's growing identity. she's part of him. buffy changed him on a fundamental level, in a way that was never seen before. she made him go against his vampire nature.
SPIKE : You know, everything used to be so clear. Slayer. Vampire. Vampire kills Slayer, sucks her dry, picks his teeth with her bones. It's always been that way. I've tasted the life of two Slayers. But with Buffy... It isn't supposed to be this way! (Seeing Red, 6x19)
love has become transformative.
and even after his ensoulment, he still kneels in front of buffy. he voluntarily puts himself beneath her, to profess his love for her just the way she is. spike loves all of her, the failures, the cracks, the shortcomings. he loves her for trying and failing and being imperfectly good.
SPIKE : I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I’ve seen your kindness and your strength. I’ve seen the best and the worst of you. And I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You’re a hell of a woman. You’re the one, Buffy. (Touched, 7x20).
spike elevates buffy on her journey towards loving herself. he tells her what neither of the men who came before him ever did : she is better, she is enough, she doesn't have to change. he honors her.
caring for spike means loving the darkest parts of her. caring for spike means finally accepting that her love can be a power of good, that her relationship with angel doesn't define how she loves. through spike, buffy frees herself of the self-inflicted guilt in her failed relationships.
the last scene is extremely symbolic. spike gives buffy her fire back.

their clasped hands burn. fire symbolizes purification. when spike burns, it's the ultimate step of his redemption. purification of the soul. when buffy's hand burns with his, it signifies the change in how she views love. it's cleansed. it's pure. it's life-changing. it heals. she takes spike's burning hand because she's not scared of love anymore. because she accepts it, fully, in all its beauty and complexity.
angel was the problem. parker was the problem. riley was the problem. there is nothing wrong with her.
spike loved. spike stayed. spike changed. spike burned for her. spike became light because of her.
her love is light.
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