#fan theory

[emmajh97-mumaji]

So I was reading the P5R Art Book I got (with the help of Google Translate akjdsf), when I got to the section showing off the Faith and The Councilor cards. And...

Creator's Comment-- "...The Advisor looks like the Sun, but is actually Mars..."

...holy shit. That gave me pause.

Because, as someone who is an avid student of The Tarot and understands the symbolic significance of Mars, I finally realized...

IT'S THE HECKING TOWER. MARUKI IS THE TOWER DISGUISED AS THE SUN.

The Sun is associated with exactly what it says on the tin-- representing the light of the soul, joy, and warmth in both Tarot and in Astrology. Conversely The Tower card is associated with astrological Mars-- the planet of War and Destruction. More importantly, The Tower represents the hand of fate violently destroying foundations once thought to be stable. Dismantling any constructed sense of control a person has, humbling them and forcing them to start over with a clean slate.

Look at the people falling from the top of The Councilor card just like how they do in The Tower card. Seeing those sad people fall may look like a hint to Maruki being not all that he seems but, when you tie that to the symbolic meaning of The Tower, it goes from a wink and a nod to a straight up spoiler for his entire character arc!

Maruki has constructed this happy facade that needs to be brought crumbling down, not just for the sake of the world being held mercy by his delusions, but for his own healing journey to actually begin.

And even if you just look at it literally-- Maruki's final boss fight is punctuated by his giant tower-like Palace shattering and him nearly falling to his death if not for Joker catching him in time!

IT'S HECKING BRILLIANT. WAAGH!!!

To go even further-- I also love how the Faith card (both versions) are obviously a fusion of imagery from The Hierophant and The Devil cards.

I don't have as coherent an argument to make here, but there are definitely implications.

The fact that The Hierophant card is also known as 'The Teacher', and that The Councilor card even takes the place of The Hierophant in one deck, makes me think that this is hinting at Maruki's influence over 'Kasumi'... and how she overcomes it.

It could also represent Sumire's relationship with the real Kasumi. (Note how the devils in the reversed Faith card are smiling as they parade around a corpse; meanwhile in the true Faith card, where the High Priest is alive and well, the servants look disheartened/depressed by the reality of their situation.)

Tying it back to Maruki again-- it is said that the titular tower on The Tower card is one built by The Devil. It is the beautiful lie that we build to hide an ugly truth. Maruki destroys 'Kasumi's beautiful lie when he forces her to remember that she's actually Sumire. Then in turn, Sumire destroys Maruki's beautiful lie when she shows him that overcoming her ugly truth wasn't only possible- but is how she became her best self.

"So you truly don't want it, huh? ...Looks like I'm totally finished."

[mysticenemysweets999]

What if Vox ruined Alastor?

I've seen it countless times that people said Alastor just 'used' Vox and even rejected Vox proposing, or even trying to date him, but what if we switch it?

Alastor truly thought that his friendship with Vox was genuine. He spent time with him all the time. Vox was one of his first friends in hell. (Mimzy doesn't count as they knew each other before they died) Alastor even shared everything with Vox, secrets, personal things, insecurities, everything. Unfortunately, Vox was only 'using' Alastor to be friends for a little bit, so they'd jump right into a sexual relationship.

One night, Vox, thinking they were finally in the 'romance zone' tricked Alastor into coming to The V Tower, to his room to spend time together, but in reality, he only wanted sex.

That's when Alastor finally realized, all this time, Vox never really wanted to be friends, he only viewed him as a sex toy.

This was also the same time Vox and Valentino were friends, and Val could've been involved in this a little as well.

The very next day, after Alastor found out how Vox really viewed him, he could've asked Alastor to join their team. Of course, Alastor denies it, and that's how their fight truly took place.

This whole time, Vox never cared for Alastor, in a friendship way. Their whole friendship, gone. Alastor swore to NEVER get manipulated into a relationship like this ever again.

[saveholder-papyrus-theory]

Sans and papyrus have powers related to text/Google document functions

Allow me to explain them:

Cursor: looks like bone

Names: sans and papyrus font

Blue bone attack: text color change

Blue magic: highlight text

Flying: drag and drop text

"Shortcuts" (teleportation): cut and paste (ctrl+x - ctrl+v)

I feel like this explains mostly everything about their powers

( Technically, save and load is a Google/ Microsoft function as well, but I'm just gonna ignore that for now...)

[k1wi-astar]

TBHX EP 8 Discussion

It's interesting. We have ourselves A LOT of timeskips in this one.

Doing the math here, I can lay out this timeline

Year 23 AC: Cyan survived a plane crash at 3 yrs old

Year 28 AC (5 yrs later): Cyan has become the "Shrine Maiden" forming a cult or religion around her luck and meets Luo at 8 yrs old

Year 34 (6 yrs later): Cyan and Luo are currently friends, and on a rebellion phase, they are now 14 yrs old

Queen has also appeared in this episode. I had thought that she'd appear much later or maybe in the final episode. From what the episode entailed, Cyan and Queen seemed to come from the same orphanage. I did notice in the PV for this episode that the guys that were shown were also the ones in Queen's PV. The reporter looks like he's chill, but the orphanage director seems to have ulterior motives. He seems set on creating powerful heroes that will reach X. But for what purpose?

And we finally meet Luo! Now I wonder, how does he "die"? If you look at Loli's PV, Luo was mentioned as a professor, so I think he's just presumed dead. It's interesting to note that he's known to have bad luck, though. A contrast to Cyan's good luck.

I rlly like Cyan and Luo's bond. It's cute!

[vashvana]

Bachira and Isagi’s Relationship is Doomed (Theory):

With the NEL arc having ended, we’ve seen Isagi “sell his soul”. While to me, what this entails in full is still somewhat unclear, one thing is a abundantly apparent: Isagi is losing the sentimentality he once carried for fútbol. He states it himself- in order to survive as a “talented learner” in a world of geniuses with God-given talents, he needs to become a machine. To claw his way to the top, he can’t just ride along the high of his own abilities anymore. No matter how great he can become, there will always those who with random, natural gifts, like Noel and Loki. No matter how hard he fights, the randomness of fate, luck and genetics will override his efforts simply by existing. Now his only purpose is “absolute victory” at all costs, even if it means sacrificing the fundamentals of what being a egotistical striker once meant to him.

How does this relate to Bachira? To start, his and Isagi’s play styles have always been polar opposites. Isagi uses his analytical skills to make up for his lack of notable physicality, while Bachira relies on his dribbling and off-brand instincts, following the unique, sporadic ideas that spur from his monster. However, the two still inherently understand and complement each other from their shared passion. Despite taking the ruthless journey to become number one, they share a love for the game and each other. They want to see each other improve and feed off of each other’s egos. This is why Isagi fills (filled?…) the void of Bachira’s monster. Their greatest strengths are also their greatest weaknesses, too- Isagi feeling like a second fiddle sheep for his lack of physical gifts, and Bachira’s crazy visions never being understood, isolating him from others- they balance each other out that way.

However, the passion they both once shared has fundamentally changed. Isagi most likely will not view the way he can grow off Bachira’s development in the same light. He won’t view any other players’ talents being steppingstones for his own in the same manner, either. Now, he must take in everything around him like a computer, nothing has personal can be at stake for him anymore, and no relationships can serve him beyond what lies directly in front of him. The sentimentality he and Bachira once he does not serve his new nihilistic mindset. If all the hard work in the world can be outdone simply by lucky genetics, is it even worth it? To outdo fate itself and become the best striker in the world, he has to sacrifice the hope and passion he once shared with Bachira. To make nothing off-limits to win, nothing has to be off-limits to lose, except for total victory itself. Thus, he has to destroy all personal and emotional connections in the game, as they can inherently be a weakness to be exploited; that’s what he’ll be thinking, at least.

We can see this loss of enthusiasm shown in how he refers to himself in the first vs third person at the end of the U-20 vs Japan / NEL arcs respectively. Yoichi Isagi is no longer the scrappy underdog using only his mind to make it up the ranks, he is now the face of the multi-billion dollar soccer corporations, dominating everything that gets in his way. Even to himself, he is just a product, a variable that must be used in whatever way is most optimal to win (16 y/o btw). The bright enthusiasm and determination in his eyes have dulled, being replaced with a cold, distant stare. Instead of the hope he carries for Japan being represented by him in jersey, he is dressed up and is “presentable”, as the only thing on his mind is the business of total victory. The sins of his choices literally surround him, encasing him in darkness, in comparison to the enlightening hope he once carried.

This is not what he bonded over with Bachira. Bachira has assumedly remained true to himself during the NEL, honing in his skills, creativity and ego while still holding a deep love for the sport. We’ll see if this will be enough for him to make it further, as I think it’s unclear if Bachira falls into the category of either “talented learner” or “genius” that Isagi has roped all great players into. Thus, their conflicting ideologies will now inevitably clash, the calculating puppet master vs the free-spirited monster. Before, they were enthusiastic to grow off of each other and take down those who stood in their way, while paying respect to their enemies’ talents. But now, their relationship has no merit in that regards. It is unclear if Isagi will still be equal to Bachira’s monster- was he only able to before because of the untapped potential and passion he held? Will he still be able to predict Bachira’s heart of playfulness with his own cold, detached soul?

Whatever the answer may be, the two cannot maintain their healthy relationship as it once was. In fact, codependency, not just on others, but on one’s own sense of self, is a theme VERY persistent in Blue Lock. Most clearly, we see it in Reo and Nagi. While Reo still held onto his love for Nagi, he was able to flourish as his own player independently. However, Nagi was too afraid and too comfortable to explore his own self worth without Reo and inevitably failed because of that (to Bachira nonetheless, that feels intentional.) Meanwhile, Kaiser and Ness’ development is the opposite of that. Kaiser eventually leaves Ness’ lapdog clinginess for his own similar “absolute” desire for victory against mad geniuses. In his despair, the once subservient Ness makes a play that Kaiser couldn’t catch. The god, once high and mighty in Ness’ eyes, was outsmarted because of his lack of faith and creativity in his former servant. However, Ness still places trust in Kaiser afterwards, now (assumedly) on equal grounds with his former “master”. In the pits of despair, Ness’ once toxic codependency for Kaiser brought both of them to rock bottom, and in that pit, they found the strength to make each other equals.

Reo / Nagi are a pitfall of what Isagi / Bachira could’ve became, and Kaiser / Ness moved up from R/N and became what I/B once was (can you tell I’m getting tired of typing all their names over and over). Now, Isagi and Bachira’s relationship is becoming something different, something worse. Imagine a spectrum of codependency, if you will: Nagi/Reo fall on one side, where their relationship fails because one of them got too comfortable. Kaiser/Ness falls in the middle, because they’ve reached a level of mutual understanding and respect. Isagi/Bachira were once that, but now they’ve crossed over to the other end- their relationship will fail because the basis of what it once was has changed too much.

Where will this leave the two of them by the end? Truly, I don’t know, only time will tell. Something to consider, though, is Snuffy’s words to Barou. Mick Moon killed himself because he made futbol his everything, and had nothing to fall back on when he failed. After hitting rock bottom, Snuffy took the steps to work on his sense of self, which propelled him to his greatest heights, while still being able to be truly happy both in and outside of fútbol; Mick Moon couldn’t find the heart to do that, as he made soccer his entire reason for existing. Isagi is currently following in Mick’s footsteps more than anything. While he may not end up as dire as Mick, if he fails, what will he have? His relationship with Bachira will crumble the same way Snuffy and Mick’s did. If he continues down the path he is on right now, Isagi has two options- to become the next Mick Moon- distraught and agonized by the failure of his own ego- or to become the next Noel Noa- the greatest player alive who (assumedly) sacrificed his sense of personal happiness to become a goal scoring machine.

Extra Tidbit:

This is just my personal theory because he’s my favorite character, but I don’t think Bachira falls strictly into either category of learner or genius. He has the “God-given” gift, not of his dribbling, but of his innate sense of unique and creative plays. Only he and Isagi- for the time being- can understand them (geez audhd allegory much) and it is an edge other players don’t have. But at the same time, the isolation he experienced as a kid, and the fact that his monster often prohibits him from being able to play well with others are all a set back. Thus, he has to adapt and rework his sense of self constantly, compared to the geniuses whose talents give them an automatic edge (I’M LOOKING AT YOU, LOKI). In this way, he is also a talented learner. I’d say Nagi is a little similar to Bachi in this regards, as well. He does have natural talent, but got locked off bc he didn’t focus on honing them in for his own gain. The main obstacle to that was the fact that it’s hard for him to actually care in the first place, which would mean that’s the obstacle that could make him a learner, as well. However, his downfall could also be a commentary on taking your given gifts for granted, so I guess it could go either way. Regardless, I really do think there is substantial evidence to suggest that Bachira might be the exception to Isagi’s current idea of fútbol players. Hell, I might even go as far to say this proves there’s maybe a 10% chance Bachira actually might win and become Blue Lock’s best striker, but that’s just my biases talking. I hope anyone who’s read this far enjoyed this yap session <3

[kitteninatux]

Something I really think people fail to consider for Post-Game Undertale is how the value of gold fluctuates

Since using G (gold) to make transactions is traditional for the economy of the underground. How would the humans react to the sudden influx of such an expensive and precious metal- what would happen to at the very least- the local economy? It’s already a given that Monsters would be able to adapt and improve the work on certain careers (ex: Grillby being a fire elemental monster can give him an advantage with cooking- due to his first hand knowledge of it.)

But what would that all entail for the humans in the area surrounding Mt. Ebott? There would certainly be a struggle on pricing the new value of gold after they all found out there was an entire underground supply of it. In my personal opinion, I think the most canon bet to it (assuming from the end credits) would be that Monsters are all conveniently rich and treated with confidentiality.

Kind of like

“Hey! If you give us all that gold you gathered and used in the underground, then we’ll trade ya some property and housing arrangements!”

Because Toby fox would absolutely pull some fourth wall breaking jokes with that. And Temmie would somehow make us cry over how majestic it was.

With that logic it’s also funny to imagine a scenario where either Genocide Frisk or Asgore slaying Frisk comes up to the surface ridiculously rich.

Just a random eight year old in a striped shirt waltzing down from a certain death distance and proudly displaying all the weirdly dusty pure gold trophies they got

[nanoko857]

At the end of Detective Conan, I imagine Vermouth/Sharon's conclusion with her sacrificing herself to save Shinichi and Ran. S

he pushes them out of the way, taking the bullet. As he tries his best to stop the bleeding, Shinichi asks her why she would do such a thing.

Vermouth gives a rare, gentle smile.

"Is a reason necessary? When someone helps another person out, there's no rational thinking... Those were your words, right?"

She passes away, and Shinichi realizes that Vermouth was the silver-haired man from all those years ago. Ran also realizes why this strange woman called her Angel.

During the confusion, backup arrives. Before they take them away from the scene, the teens lower their heads before her, thanking her for saving their lives.

[lighten-up-no-one-died]

When you think about letter from the refuge it’s pretty sad.

But if you think about it on the (imma air quote this) “deeper” level, imagine how Jack would feel from the original draft. He had a brother, who’s dead, but he thinks it’s his own fault.

The letter was signed as your brother, but in the original draft Crutchie never got the chance to get out of the refuge. How would Jack feel then? The thought of his brother dying because of him is haunting him already, and then he was the one who lead the strike.

So my point is, Crutchie and Jack is really close. The past is haunting him along the way, and then Crutchie sent a letter saying, “your brother-”. And this time he wasn’t able to save that brother and it will haunt him more.

[sketchtastrophee]

old art again!! this time a rough animation of sawyer and yarnaby 😎 (looks better if u click to view 😭)

im working on a short ppt animation rn. im thinking i should post it to my youtube channel, though im not sure if people here would see it. i think i can link videos on here?? idk

okay I'm gonna talk abt more chapter 4 stuff.. this time about prototype's previous identity.. ch4 spoilers and also a theory below..

hiding the solo yarnaby under here LOL

people theorized 1006 was elliot, which was recently disproven in the chapter 4 tape where poppy refers to elliot as her dad and wishes he were there. in the same tape she addresses prototype as a completely different person. also recall that elliot died in the 90s, meanwhile prototype met theo in 1989. so yeah, they aren't the same person

I've also seen people say rich is prototype, which cannot be true either. in a ch4 tape he speaks to one of the employees under his supervision. the kid mentions his coworkers joking about him going missing. before the bbi, it would not make sense for this to be a common rumor at the company, which means this tape had to happen after harley was hired in 1990; at a time when the company would have a reason to silence people

prototype existed in 1989 at the minimum, but considering he says "it's always been about you and me" to poppy, he's likely the prototype of HER. she's elliots daughter, she died in the 60s, meaning prototype was probably created around that time as well.

this means that rich can't be the prototype because he was human long after prototype was made

if you want my take on who prototype truly is, i'd say his identity doesn't necessarily matter. i don't mean to say his origins aren't important, just that his name and specific role in the past probably doesn't mean anything in the long run. i've never believed he was elliot or rich, and maybe in the future i'll be proven wrong but for now i'll tell you the theory i've had since june of last year

elliot's daughter dies in the 60s. he divorced his wife in 1930, so his daughter is probably in her 30s when she dies. she gets sick or injured, maybe she's actively dying or already dead by the time elliot begins his research. he looks for ways to bring her back, but it doesn't work on the rats (as he mentioned a note in the 2nd chapter)

so what does he do? he tries it on something bigger as he said he would: a human. of course he's not going to try this experimental method on his own daughter, even if she's already dead, so he finds someone else to use it on. we know that elliot wasn't evil or anything, so it's unlikely he killed anybody to use for the experiment. considering the orphanage isn't open yet (it opened in the 70s, not the 60s), prototype probably wasn't an orphan child either. if i run with my simple version of the theory, elliot may have dug up a body in a graveyard and used that. maybe a fresh one, who knows. he tried it, it worked, then he revived his daughter with the same method.

this is likely what harley wanted to know about in the chapter 3 tape (the "i learn something new about you every day" one), and also what prototype is asking harley to figure out in the ch4 tape they're both in. in that case, sawyer never actually figured out how to revive people with the poppy substance. sure, he can transfer people into the toys, but he can't bring anybody back to life

more reason to believe prototype and poppy are of the same "batch" is because it seems they are the only two who don't need food. it's outright stated about him in the ch1 trailer, and insinuated with her saying the "toys will starve otherwise" when she's talking about how nasty them eating humans is. she refers to them, not herself. her and prototype are probably the only 2 who were ever brought back from the dead, which circles back around to his monologue and gives meaning to the "it's always been about you and me, poppy. what we are". when i heard him say that i felt like my theory was lowk confirmed 😭😭

no guarantee this is right, but it's been my guess for a long time

[totallyottie99]

This lady’s a victim fr, we know early grey hair and erratic behavior is a side effect of the overuse of the memory gun. since Bud is a member of the society it’s likely he used that gun on her as much as he wanted to. It’s giving Stepford Wives levels of abuse

[personwithatophat]

Gaslight District Code

been working on putting this together since premiere! hopefully someone can use it! -Tophat

[night-owl-249]

[Spoiler] For years People theorising, joking and talking about the 10th class

We all though it was him

But this whole time, This. Whole. Time.

It was him. He was here this whole time.

[ema0rsully]

Ok- listen to me on this one.

I find it surprising how the authorities arresting I.M.P. were from the sloth ring (the candles). Considering the fact that sloth = lazy. I’d expect the authorities to be from the wrath or even envy ring.

What if- and this is just a theory..

What if, Belphegor is always sleepy because she sleeps for the sinners and inhabitants of the sloth ring.

Belphegor is a sheep. When you can’t sleep, what do you do? You try to count sheep to try and get some sleep. Maybe, what Belphegor does is to help her subjects, she helps sleep for them and in return her subjects aren’t ever sleepy and always energised to do their work. All the energy she gains from sleeping, she gives it to her people so they dont require to sleep. But of course, this takes a toll on her because now she’s always sleepy.

I know, not alot of proof to go around this theory. But look at this guy,

He looks like some kind of anger therapist for Satan. He’s definitely from the sloth ring (the candle). And look back in S2 E4,

The guys are also from the sloth ring (the candles). Seems like all medicine/drugs comes from the sloth ring. And for a ring where you’re supposed to be demotivated or lazy, they do ALOT of work. From careers such as a therapist or an officer, these jobs require ALOT of energy. Some even time consuming.

And Belphegor seems to sleep ALOT compare to her own sinners/inhabitants in sloth. Thats why it got me thinking, how can her own people do all these jobs and yet Belphegor herself cant get through a trial without falling in and out of sleep? It makes you ponder.. why would she do that to herself?

Maybe because, her ring is at the lowest in the hierarchy. Its isn’t the most deadliest sin like pride or wrath. I also think she fears her ring might fall behind the other rings because her people will be too lazy to get anything done. So to avoid any mockery from the other Deadly Sins, she decides to give them energy by sleeping for them. It doesn’t matter is she’s oversleeping or not present when a meeting is being held, as long as her ring is prosperous, she’s sleeping peacefully.

I feel like the downside to all this is that, the sloth ring is ALWAYS awake. Nobody sleeps which means sinners and inhabitants are always finding something to do. Which is why her ring ends up being the ring with the best medicine/drugs, hospitals and maybe even security service.

[therealneilperry]

I love how after using shimmer (and Viktor also used the Hexcore), they’re complexion gets insanely pale. Like, they were pale before but they get corpse like, and I think it’s a sort of visual way of showing that they’re unnatural. They used shimmer and the Hexcore to extend their lives when they should be dead, and so they’re forever stuck in this corpse like body as a reminder.

[callistocreations]

I THINK I FIGURED OUT THE NEW ENTITIES SYSTEM IN TMAGP.

I haven't seen any other fan theories like this, but if anyone else thought of this first, please let me know.

Anyways, alchemy obviously plays a big part in the magic system of the protocol universe. And I've seen several people bring up that Celia mentioned the three primes of alchemy. Based on my very non-expert google knowledge, the three primes are salt, mercury, and sulfur. Salt represents the body, mercury represents the mind, and sulfur represents the soul.

In other words, physical horror, psychological horror, and existential horror. There are three fear entities in this universe; Salt, which is fear relating to the body/physical harm, Mercury, which is mental/emotional fears, & Sulfur, which is existential fears. This lines up pretty well with what Colin said:

This time, the way to keep the entities from entering our world is to keep them balanced. And based on what we've seen, the way to keep the balance is probably by sacrificing people to them.

This next part is a bit of a stretch & I don't expect it to be right. Something interesting I noticed, all the Externals we've met so far seem to be Salt-coded. Maybe the OIAR is only in charge of the salt part of the balance? What if the Hilltop Center and the Magnus Institute were in charge of the other two elements? Colin didn't mention what happens when there's too much salt, but we might see that for ourselves soon.