#alex winters

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Alex Winters on Marco, David, and David/Marco

So, there's this post by @silvermaplealder that I've had in my likes for ages, featuring some very nice fanart of Marko from The Lost Boys ‒ but also the quote "Can't forget how Alex Winter said David and Marko were BDSM partners" ‒ apparently based on an interview they no longer had a link to.

So I had to go look for the source for this, and I think I've found it ‒ it's an interview Alex Winters did with Spectrum Culture in 2017.

Here's the money quote in full, because damn, it's a hell of a statement:

To us, David [Sutherland’s character] was kind of like a pimp. What I had in my head about Marko’s relationship with David was he was basically my pimp and sometimes you’re having a sexual relationship with that person and sometimes you’re not. But, there is a very bonded master-slave kind of aspect to it and then there’s a lover aspect to it. Those undercurrents are all there. They weren’t something I was going to try and drive in front of the audience, but they were fun to play with.

So the way Alex Winters actually puts it isn't exactly 'BDSM partners' so much as 'he was basically my pimp', or 'master-slave'. Which does track well with how much David orders Marko around ('Marko, food,' get the bottle, let's go for a ride, etc). But even if the sexual element sounds pretty casual ("sometimes you’re having a sexual relationship with that person and sometimes you’re not") he's very open that he was playing the role with the assumption that Marko and David probably fucked.

Doesn't sound like it was something he and Keifer Sutherland (David) talked about explicitly, but he does hammer home that none of the adults on set were unaware of what a very homoerotic film they were making. I'd already seen some interviews where Alex Winters talks about how those aspects of the film resonated with him, coming from a family of dancers and a background in theatre, and how he'd based Marko on all the queer folks he'd met doing Broadway since his childhood, but this sure is a whole level more information beyond!

But I never can resist the urge to overanalyse my favourite canons, so yet more thoughts below.

Whatever David and Marko might have going, it doesn't seem to pose any obstacle to (eg) whatever David's up to with Star, or might have in mind for Michael. And Marko sure does not seem to mind being David's butt boy (in any sense of the word) ‒ like, he does not come across as obsequious or spineless, he's not hanging on David's every word, but he seems to be 100% into whatever's going on there. It's hard to read him as bothered by the idea he might be about to lose his position to Michael either: anyone David wants is in.

But even more interesting to me is framing David as a pimp, mostly for what that implies the way he treats Star. Because sure, she doesn't get to go run off with Michael on his bike without David rolling up to remind her of her place, but (with apologies to any David/Star shippers) I can't read him as genuinely attracted to or invested in her, or not beyond how useful she is as bait. Her job is to bring home wide-eyed young men, but if she gets any funny ideas about getting attached (maybe convincing one of them to "take her away from all this"?) ‒ well, David's here to remind her who she belongs to.

Tl;dr: where Star's concerned, David reads way more 'pimp' than 'boyfriend' to me. Maybe there was potential for something else, back before it became apparent she wasn't going to make her first kill without a fight ‒ but then, Marko's not in a wildly different place himself. In fact, the biggest difference between Star and Marko might be that he likes his place in the pecking order, and is never happier than when he's covered in blood.

For context, this all comes out of the interviewer asking outright if there was something going on between Marko and David (Is there this strange, almost homosexual relationship between your character and Kiefer Sutherland’s character? […] He always asks your character to do things for him.) The tear that runs down David's face when he's chasing Sam and the Frogs after Marco's death is brought up too, though I'm pretty sure I've read elsewhere that was a lucky accident with more to do with those vampire contact lenses being horrifically uncomfortable (leaving it in the finished film was no accident though). Either way, any reaction David might have had to Marko's death ends at the cave: during the big finale, it's Paul, not David, who goes after the Frog brothers, hollering "You killed Marko!" (David's only got eyes for Michael at that point.)

To what degree David's ever been a pimp/fuckbuddy/master to Paul and/or Dwayne may be up to your own imagination, since there's just not much to go on there. But the more I think about what we see of David and Marko, the more I'm struggling to think of any time David even directly addresses either of the other two. Even in the 'Michael wants to know what's going on' exchange, it's "what's going on, Marko?" that he starts with. Heck, he even seems to be holding up Marko as a major fringe-benefit of joining them ("That's what I love about this place, you ask, you get. You'll like it here, Michael.") Which is probably not worth reading too much into (the gist and the vibes are so much more important than anything specific David's actually saying), but still, jeez, what is the message there? Join the Lost Boys, plenty of Marko to go around? Or, just letting you know how I like it?

In the same article, Winters also talks about his ideas about Marko's background:

As an actor and a director, I subscribe to the theory that you create as much backstory as the character needs in terms of what is going to be on-screen. Otherwise, you’re playing details and subtleties that make no sense to the audience and that just becomes navel gazing. With a character like Marko, who only says a couple of lines in the entire movie and doesn’t really have much need for context, it wasn’t something I was going to spend an enormous amount of time on. He was just a homeless kid who had run away. Typical sort of ‘80s story, right? Someone from a crazy, conservative part of the country who ends up running away to a warmer climate where you can survive on the street. Very similar to how kids get picked up out at the bus station in Times Square.

And yeah, Marko as a young, queer runnaway who hitch-hiked across the country, maybe discovered a real thing for being ordered around while making some cash as a rent boy ‒ that definitely works. You can so easily picture him meeting the Lost Boys, realising they were everything his conservative folks would have hated, and jumping at the chance to join them. It's almost too obvious.

All this over a character who gets like two lines in the whole film, who will be remembered by most simply as 'the cute one' (as distinguished from The Loud One (Paul) and The Quiet One (Dwayne)) and whose biggest scene is arguably the one where he gets staked while unconscious. I do like the point Winters makes that there's no point in creating more backstory for a character than you'll ever get the chance to reflect in what makes it to screen. But this is a film where even 'the cute one' gets to throw himself gleefully into the massacre scene and come out basically glowing, and the amount of subtext they managed to pack into this guy is something wonderful.

I've seen a few different takes on Marco in fic, but I don't think I've ever seen anything that delves into his subbier side, or his apparent master/slave thing with David (or David's whole 'pimp' persona, come to think of it). And I get why that might be: if you're here to ship David with Michael or Star, it's easier to ignore those kind of complications. But when all the evidence and the actor's own intentions are laid out for you like this, damn, there is a lot there I'd love to see people play with.

[dagss]

get to know me meme | favorite movies [5/?] bill and ted's excellent adventure (1989)

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I’m sorry to the 9 other freaked fans for this

[justplainsimon]

MAN MAN DID THE SONGS FOR DESTROY ALL NEIGHBORS?!?!

THE HORROR MOVIE PRODUCED BY ALEX WINTERS WITH A BUNCH OF PRACTICAL EFFECT ZOMBIES?!?!

[the-eldritch-goblin]

Marko from the Lost Boys painting study I’m self taught so I appreciate tips! Colour is in an overlay layer, there has to be a better way to do that right?

[shnowbilicat]

The Greatest Magician

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Ladies and Gentleman!

Children of all ages!

Please put your hands together for the owner of Freddy Fazbear Entertainment and the greatest magician in the world ...

Alexander Winters!

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Alex is a VERY old FNAF OC of mine and sadly one of the 'forgotten ones', because I started to get attached to Vincent and his crew way more.

BUT! After 8 years I can finally give him a proper welcome back! While his current design I created some years back, I actually kinda figured out his power predicament and I'm happy so show off my bootyful Freddy's boss boi in all his awesome glory uwu

Alex Winters is a friendly yet professional guy, especially when it comes to his work at Freddy's. What started out as a silly side project with his best friend Noah and their friends as support, creating the Freddy's Horor Attraction, grew into something so much bigger. Alex however ceased the oppertunity and grew immensily with the challenges and now is the proud owner of a new age of Freddy's; one that ISN'T owned by a psychopathic murderer pff.

While he can be a hot head sometimes, Alex really cares about the well being of his friends and Freddy's. He knows how much is laying on his shoulders and sometimes he overworks himself just to keep things flowing and great for others to enjoy. To top it all off, since Alex is not only one of the highest people in the franchise, next to Noah who is a co-owner, but also deals with really dangerous shit, like giving shelter to Vincent, his friends and the haunted animatronics, Jack on day decided to do something never seen before.

In what could be decribed like a medival fantasy ritual, where Jack and Alex connected and shared a bond, Alex was able to harness immense powers and became ... a magician.

While typical medival magician don't really match with the present day style of murder mystery at a children's entertainment place, STAGE MAGICIANs are a very different ball park! Instead of fireballs or teleportation magic, Alex uses these spells like stage acts; the disappearing act, confetti canons, pulling ANIMATRONIC bunnies out of his hat or even lighting birthday candles with a flick of his finger.

And even though he doesn't seem like much and his stage acts seem silly and to laigh at, do not be fooled, Alex is very capable with his new powers and will not hesitate to stuff your mouth with endles handkerchiefs.

Love my new bby boi Alex SO much qWq

[zangieisababe]

This is Alex Winters, he's a gay lil guy. For pride month I only posted my gay characters on my DeviantArt and I started this lil thing where I posted my gay couples. So the next post will be his boyfriend, Jason Fairchild!

[bookstattoosandtea]

Release Blitz, Excerpt & Giveaway: Sham Rocked by Alex Winters

Release Blitz, Excerpt & Giveaway: Sham Rocked By Alex Winters Hotblooded Holidays, Book 9 A college dropout and a guitar hero get lucky in their very own St. Patrick’s Day love song… Hugo Spencer never thought he’d be running his family toy factory and living above a garage at this stage in his college career. Then again, he never thought he’d walk in on his girlfriend cheating on him with some…

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Treading Water by Alex Winters

NEW RELEASE Book Title: Treading Water Author: Alex Winters Cover Artist: Reece Notley Release Date: October 03, 2023 Genres: Contemporary M/M Sports Romance, Gay Romance, Gay Fiction Tropes: Hollywood A-Lister Versus Small Town Stud, Actor Versus Athlete, Coming Out, Forced Proximity Themes: (Almost) first time gay, summer love, Hollywood scandal, coach falling for his student, student…

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Sam!

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YOOOOOOOOOOOO

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The Lost Boys (1987)

[the-eldritch-goblin]

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Marko from the Lost Boys painting study. I’m self taught so I appreciate tips!

[shnowbilicat]

Pulling a bunny out of a hat!

Alex flexing his supernatural stage magic... though he still needs some practice not to decapitate his subjects X'D

[dizzycycl0ne]

shoutout to whoever saw alex winter in the 80s and was like get that man in a crop top NOW‼️

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Release Blitz & Excerpt: Treading Water by Alex Winters

Release Blitz & Excerpt: Treading Water By Alex Winters Actor Tucker Crawford is having the worst summer ever. Thanks to a viral video of him trying to swim, he’s the laughingstock of Hollywood and his role in a hit TV series is in jeopardy. The only bright spot is Tucker’s sexy new swim coach, Reed Oliver, but even that has its problems—because Tucker is deep in the closet and has never been…