#also ENTJs are quite a specific type of extrovert
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sugutoad · 2 years ago
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╰┈➤ Thank you for doing Matchups at Sugutoad
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╰┈➤ Hange Zoe ‘Do You Know What Exactly We In The Survey Corps Have Spilled Our Blood For?’
✧.* partners in crime; unhinged and calm; first love; finishing each other's sentences; sun and moon; the one who got away; friends to lovers; awaited adventures; morning kisses; changing one another; light academia 
✧.* Intj and Entp: if I recall correctly, you had mentioned that you are an Intj. In terms of compatibility, the three match for Enfp, Entp, and Entj. Opposites such as introverts and extroverts are known to be attracted to one another as they can easily balance one another. And even if that difference is a bother, the purpose of being known as an introvert or extrovert is how a person interacts with other people. Thinking is preferred over feeling in both cases of you and Hange. Problems tend to be solved quite quickly when the two of you work together, as long as the job is done the right way, it’s ok with the both of you. Another thing that helps with solving things as a pair is the way you see the world. Both of you prefer to see the bigger picture, how specific information is connected rather than focusing on small details that can possibly slow you down. Similar to being opposites in introversion and extroversion, you are a judger and they are a perceiver. This may be a small problem as a judger prefers to plan things out and make lists, while a perceiver enjoys the flow of life and what comes at them. Plans and routines bore them out. But I’m 100% sure that problem could be overcome. However, compatibility is not solely determined by personality types, but also by individual differences and personal dynamics. 
✧.* Conversations can last for hours, with both of you being passionate individuals. Whether discussing titans or books, Hange will attentively listen to you for extended periods of time, hanging on to every word you say. Hange is enchanted by you. In the middle of a debate or conversation, Hange will gently peck you and carry on with the discussion. It’s purely comical to see you momentarily flustered and distracted even if it were for a mere second. When you are lying down together, Hange lovingly strokes your cheek, brushing away strands of black hair from your face before planting kisses on your mole and lips.
✧.* Upon finding out that unhygienic things are something you are not fond of, Hange tried to be more clean. After every experiment, especially ones involving touching a Titan, Hange thoroughly washes their hands. They even tried to bathe at least twice a week (without Levi knocking anyone out) but it took them forever to find the perfect shampoo they wanted. But it’s all for you! And once Hange got the perfect brand they liked, let’s say that you were not the only proud one. Despite being known as humanity's strongest soldier,Levi couldn't influence Hange's unhygienic habits, but it didn't take much for you to inspire Hange to change.
✧.*  Hange doesn’t care that you are whiny at times all. Though Levi may find it hard to be around you when you are being whiny, Hange tries to see what might make you feel better. Knowing that nothing impresses you much, they try a lot of things to see what may spark the excitement in you. Constantly pestering you to seek enlightenment in your heart, your blunt nature told them to leave you alone and how frustrating that behaviour was. Hange was a little taken back but smiled, stroking a small joke before doing their own things. It was true that part of Hange was slightly hurt, but they wanted to give you a little space. You both wore your hearts in your sleeves and said things that may hurt others, so Hange understood where you were coming from. Luckily for Hange when they were doing some research, you had come to apologise for your behaviour. After asking permission from Erwin, the whole day was taken off for the both of you engaging in activities outside. 
✧.* Is your relationship boring? Not at all. It may be sad, happy and a burst of other emotions at times but never boring. Something is always happening, making it so exciting. Hange is your number one best friend and supporter and vice versa. Whether it’s killing/experimenting on Titans and Eren, attempting to do each other's portrait or going for a walk, those small little activities are a Minh adventure with Hange.
Runner Ups: Eren Yeager and Reiner Braun
╰┈➤ Rengoku Kyojuro ‘Nothing's impossible if you put your mind to it.’
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✧.* opposites attract; she fell first, he fell harder; fire and ice; head over heels; childhood friends to sweethearts; picnics at the park; idiots in love; ‘just friends’; everyone knows except them
✧.* I didn’t want to pick Rengoku first since the last matchup I had was with him. But you were so perfect for him. The fire hashira has a unique charm to him, one that rivals your own. I don’t have much of an explanation for this but he was so right for you. His flamboyant personality fits perfectly with your personality. 
✧.* He is so chaotic but in a good way. Similar to you, he is extremely passionate and easily gets hyper. Everyone trusts and knows that you can easily calm him down with your level-headed personality. He is one of those people who not only think you're funny but he knows you are. He can bet anything on that. He is always so optimistic and calls you a ‘party pooper’ when you mention anything with logic involved. Let the man have his fun. He losens up yours strings, jusr let yourself be more open around him. He will welcome you with open arms. Everyone knows how much you like him but he is far too blind, wrapped up in his own little world and often knocking at the gates of others. 
✧.* He loves to go on walks with you. It’s a time of peace within him. Hands intertwined and the sunset painting the sky on orange and yellow hues, he doesn’t want to let you go. He wants to do everything with you and inverse himself in your hobbies of drawing, writing etc. just so he can be with you. He knows he may die unexpectedly one day, he is a Hashira after all. He interacts with demons on a daily base and survives, but not all are so lucky. 
✧.* Your a giver and give too much at times, wearing your heart on you sleeve and encouraging others. You may struggle with empathy but he knows you purely want the best for others and he is here in every step you take to support you. 
✧.* He grew up in a strict and traditional household. Though his nature, hidden between that flame is a gentleman. He will take you on dates and buy you stacks of books. Whenever he sees your eyes lingering on something for a split second before looking away, he will reach the inside of his wallet and buy it for you. He doesn’t care how expensive it is, as long as you happy. He loves to feed you too. As much as his heart longs to cook you something, I don’t think he is a good cook. Whenever he goes on a mission, he will buy a book and some snacks from that place to bring back home to you. He also buys you little hair clips to put on your hair, he thinks you look pretty with anything but you seem to like the idea of wearing hairclips and he supports it!
Runner Ups: Tanjiro Kambado and Shinobou
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donnies-low-empathy · 2 years ago
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Unpopular opinion but Donnie’s an extrovert and I will die on this hill
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my-introvert-hideout · 4 years ago
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💗 Edogawa Ranpo: ENTP [BSD] 💗
Ne > Ti > Fe > Si
*Based off Season 1 of the anime [Chapters 1-12] with character-based spoilers from the Wikis. I’ve also read a synopsis of “The Untold Story of the Founding of the Detective Agency,” which gives lots of insight into Fukuzawa and Ranpo in particular, and also I know Yosano’s backstory. The Onsen Drama will also make an appearance occasionally. I feel like I have a good enough grasp on their characters for this and will only add more examples rather than changing types in the future. (At least, I think so.)
I’VE ALSO SEEN HIM TYPED AS: INTP, INTJ, ENTJ
Ranpo’s Ne is overwhelming (in a positive way, of course). In contrast to Ni, Ne prefers exploring already-established external ideas rather than focusing on creating a specific one for themselves. As a result, they have a more open appearance / attitude than an Ni-dom. Ne is well-known for its more childlike charm, which is often why people type Dazai as ENTP. (Ranpo’s fabulous extroverted intuition is what caused him to start that pillow fight at the onsen 🤭) Exxx types are more likely to be bored, as well, since they are in the external world. While introverts also get bored, they find that playing in their minds is pretty natural. Ne also prefers to take time working through different ways do go about things; Ni does this subconsciously and quite quickly, especially if Se is higher in a person’s function stack. When discussing what to do about Atsushi’s abduction, Ranpo suggested going to the police instead of pushing for Fe or Te like Tanizaki or Kunikida. Fe and Te are extroverted decision-making functions and Ne is an extroverted idea-exploring and information-gathering function. (His Ti is also very involved in that debate, but that goes without saying!) Ne’s ability to generate a plethora of ideas at once is probably the starting point of how his Ultra Deduction works. Si’s experience, Ti’s logic, and Fe’s understanding of others then whittles those possibilities down. But he’s also a genius. So take that process and amplify it. I’m also trying out this theory that generally someone’s likes and dislikes correspond to whether or not they’re a sensor or intuitive.
LIKES: Logical thinking, fantastic tales
DISLIKES: Common sense, useless knowledge
Literally 100% intuitive things.
Ti is, again, pretty much the deduction function, and is in the same position as Dazai's. During the Yamagiwa-Sugimoto case, both characters identified the killer correctly using this function but relied on different perceiving axes. Ti is also seen as very witty, fast, sharp, and sometimes subtle while Te is more overtly blunt and surface-level since it doesn’t care as much about Fe. I can’t see Ranpo using Te consciously, especially when considering his surprising use of Fe. I think the xNTJ perception of him comes from later on in the series, where he showcases a more serious and leaderlike persona. An ENTP’s shadow functions are Ni, Te, Fi, and Se -- you could think of it as a mini INTJ being inside of them. And if that INTJ-ness is being paired with his more extroverted nature, it’s understandable to peg him as an ENTJ. But still, I don’t think anyone would compare his usual self to Kunikida!
Like Dazai, Ranpo uses Fe for manipulation. However, this is more controlled, mainly directed towards enemies and suspects (or to get people to buy him snacks lol) while Dazai will even play mind games with ‘friends’ and allies. Remember him making Sugimoto cry when he revealed Yamagiwa’s last words? But honestly, I think Ranpo’s parents, Yosano, and Fukuzawa have really helped develop the greatest detective’s Fi. It’s one of the reasons I prefer Ranpo over Dazai; I don’t really have introverted feeling in my stack, so it’s not that I’m drawn to the same function in him. It’s the fact that Ranpo is more transparent about his intentions. Sure, he is a bit secretive in some ways, but he clearly loves the ADA and will do anything to protect those he cares about. It’s even revealed he fully knows that he doesn’t have an ability, but continues with the act in order to keep the harmony of the ADA. On another note, I’m not sure if he kept quiet at the onsen about not beng able to sleep when it’s completely dark: It could be that he was embarrassed about it or that he didn’t want to be an inconvenience. (I seriously doubt he just forgot to mention it until the lights were already out.) But either way, it makes me go 🥺. He also doesn’t resort to lying as quickly as Dazai does. It’s understandable why, but Dazai just doesn’t operate quite like this -- not yet, at least. And similarly to Sir Suicide™, Ranpo uses Fe to create a bit of a mask. It’s not for the same reasons, but it largely produces the same result. AND. I don’t know why people don’t really talk about this, but he took off his hat in respect when he saw Yamagiwa’s body and called her a lady -- without the teasing tone of voice Dazai might have. Maybe I’m just weird, but that scene really makes me happy, for some reason. Praise is also a very Fe-heavy thing, and I’m sure we all know how Ranpo is about praise LOL.
Frankly, Si is an interesting part of his personality. In the main series, it manifests as a distaste of ‘boring’ things, and he doesn’t seem particularly impressed with this function being Atsushi’s go-to. Inferior Si isn’t particularly good at remembering how to do things. Riding trains, anyone? On the other hand, his backstory actually has quite a bit of this. In The Untold Story of the Founding of the Detective Agency, Ranpo refuses to believe Fukuzawa that he’s incredibly gifted -- because he was clinging so tightly to his parents’ teachings. Right before Fukuzawa tells Ranpo that he has an ability, the latter told Fukuzawa to scold him, as he's dealt with it plenty of times already to know where the conversation is heading. (Excuse me while my heart shatters.) Regardless, after the lie, Ranpo ran off to stop the murder from taking place while deciding that “Since they’re ignorant infants--I’ll have to protect them!” Yes, his trademark cockiness is there, but that Si sense of duty and the Fe wish to protect is clearly present. I’d also like to point out that common sense and ‘useless’ trivia knowledge are literally Si incarnate.
Here’s a short excerpt from Ranpo’s point of view: ‘The reason he gave me those glasses was also for my sake. I’m okay with that, for now at least. Special ability user has a cooler ring to it anyway. (I got praised, so it’s all good.)’ *playing with kitten* “Show me your tummy---!”
Fi Blind Spot: Like Dazai, this is relatively self-explanatory. He values Fi more than the ex-executive, but not to the degree someone with that function in their stack does. I mean, one of his quotes is even about his willingness to turn himself into a demon if it meant the ADA would be fine! That’s a pretty clear use of Fe and a disregard of Fi.
Ne-Fe Loop: ‘An ENTP in an Ne-Fe loop would imagine a bunch of negative future scenarios and lose sight of reality as they fail to apply logic to their unrealistic beliefs. In addition, they become extremely sensitive to others’ opinions of them and are extremely concerned with being accepted by those around them and feeling disliked.’ source Just head on over to  Fukuzawa and Ranpo’s Dynamic.
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yourdesertsunflower · 5 years ago
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Boruto did a disservice to Temari
Sorry, in anticipation I warn you, this will be long. 
Okay, okay. I love Temari. She is my favorite kunoichi, I love each and everyone of her appearances in Naruto and Naruto Shippuden, I watched all filler that she was on, and I even have her on my avatar. So, yes, this by no means is to hate on the character but to actually show how Boruto writers completely misunderstood her. 
I’ll always love her character, but I got to admit I am not okay at all with somethings they are making her do in the Boruto’s anime. And no, it’s not because she moved to Konoha, or decided to take mainly the role a housewife (a bloody difficult job if you ask me) because I frankly couldn’t care less of any of that if she is happy. I really think that Shikamaru and Shikadai make her genuinely happy and that’s all I want for her. She had went from so much shit that I only want to see her feeling value and loved, that’s the least she deserves and her husband and son give her that. 
The problem is that, in most of her characterization in Boruto, I hardly see that Temari we got to know and love in the anime and manga of Naruto. Now when we get to see her in her recurring role in Boruto she is capitalized by her writers as a joke of the “crazy wife and mother that would rather hit you with your fan than having a civilized talk and will be angry twenty-four seven with no apparent reason.” 
And that, my friends, is not Temari. At least not the Temari I grew to love in Naruto.
Through this post I’ll try to explain why I think that that portrayal of the abusive housewife and mother that they give her in most of Nara Family moments in the Boruto manga, and specially the anime, is (in point of view) completely mislead. It had become clear to me, through my time watching the show, that Boruto writers are clearly not even trying to understand Temari’s character and how they are using her as a recurring joke rather than considering her as a real three-dimensional character. And I despise them for that same reason. 
So, without more vacillation, I’ll get started. 
1. Who is Temari?
Before venturing into everything that is wrong about the characterization of Temari in Boruto and trying to pin point when this actually started to happen, I would like to see deeper into Temari’s character. I think it’s only wby understanding her character previously from Boruto that we will actually understand how inconsistent is her writing in the show. 
I decided to base my analysis of Temari’s character in the Naruto series in two key aspects: an overarching analysis of Temari’s character profile using the Myres Briggs Personality Types and the Enneagram and in pin-pointing will pin point some specific moments of characterization in the manga of Naruto that show her character. 
Before starting with the analysis, I want to be clear about why I use the Myers Briggs Personality Types and the Enneagram in my analysis of Temari. I really don’t usually tend to care for the function of neither of those test in real life (if you do I am perfectly fine with it, it’s just something I don’t do myself) but I think they can be great tools for any author to understand better the behavior, desires and motivations behind their characters. I personally do this in my work and I highly recommend it for any other writer out there. 
Remember, this is my own personal analysis and I’ll tell you when my opinion differs from the majority, I’ll justify everything said in my analysis, and I’ll leave links to every info that I give you. 
Well, speaking specifically about Temari. Who is she? What she wants? Why she wants it? What she’ll do to achieve it? What she really needs? Which is her fear?
This between others are questions that any author or actor has to ask themselves when they are writing their characters. It’s a question of giving the character depth, making it seem “like a living breathing human-being.” 
Kishimoto state it in the most bluntly, yet efficient ways, when he presented Team Seven by making Kakashi ask them about their likes, dislikes and dreams. Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke’s response reflect all this questions even though they are not saying it directly. I won’t analyse this respective scene, because if not this will be really long, but I promise to do it sometime in the future. 
Well using the Myers Briggs Personality and Enneagram Test we can get to full-picture of these questions. Myers Briggs Personality test will tell us who the character is in it’s core; how they’ll behave, how they’ll face a situation and their outllook of life. The Enneagram on the other side show us their wants and needs, what they long to archieve and their fears. 
In the case of Temari I would classify her as an ENTJ but,her most common classification is ESTJ and a 8w9 as her Enneagram. If you want me to explain why I think she is an ENTJ an not a ESTJ (thoiugh I’ll construct my case over ESTJ) just ask for it cause I’ll be more than happy to do it. But for now, and in order not to make it way longer than it will already be I’ll focus on Te (Extraverted Thinking) and Fi (Introverted Feelings) both functions that both types share as their primary and inferior function respectively and will be key for my analysis.
Source Temari’s Personal Database
(If you want to understand the differences between ESTJs and ENTJs here is a good tumblr source that explains everything quite complete yet quite simply explained)
Let’s go first with the MBTI (Myers Briggs Type Indicator)
What means to have Te as a primary function and Fi as in inferior function?
Te as a Primary Function (Extroverted Thinking): Think of your primary function as your strongest suit, things you are good at. Dominant Extroverted Thinkers tend to be logical, objective and fair. They are very organized and try to arrange the real world to suit their needs. 
Strives to bring order, control, and rationality to the systems and operations of the outside world.Evidence: Temari is able to rationalize situations and access their pros and cons quite easily. This is showing in the flashback where she doubts of the productivity of the Konoha Crush since she maintained that there alliance with Konoha was much more valuable any they could gain from the attack. 
Insists on objective standards and measurable goals. Evidence: She is prone to be involved in and thinks in things as if they were projects like the preparations of the Chunin Exam, the Allied Shinobi Forces, etc. (see the image of the Fourth Databook)
Tendency to quickly express their judgments and opinion, to literally think (i.e., make judgments, conclusions, and decisions) aloud. Evidence: In her match against Shikamaru she was pretty quick in express her analysis of his movements aloud. 
Speak before they listen which can either make them strong and courageous leaders or seem abrasive, dogmatic, or controlling. Evidence: Temari asserted a leadership position within her village and also within the Allied Shinobi forces (despite not being strictly one) showing us her natural inclination to take charge. 
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Prone to overstating things. Evidence: In her fight against Shikamaru thinking she knew all the extent of his technique. 
They may say things that, in retrospect, they wish they could rescind, or at least soften (specially true for hypersensitive Fi), which can lead them to respond defensively or re-actively. Evidence: Sasuke Retrieval Arc, Temari’s expression as Shikaku reprimanded his son. Konoha Hiden, Temari feels ashamed about what happened the 
Fi as a Inferior Funtion (Introverted Feeling): Inferior Function is that thing that we often push aside the most and find most difficult to fully grasp. However, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t play a key role in our behavior. People with Fi are driven by an internal moral compass, helping them adjust their actions in order that what they are doing helps or affects people in a meaningful way. This gives them a sense of loyalty to those around them, considering the wants and needs of those close to them.    
Loyalty and dutiful nature due to a well constructed inner moral compass. Evidence: Fierce sense of loyalty to her village and her moral and ethical duty towards it.
Not prone to display emotions, may see them as a weakness.Evidence: The famous, “Had you received emotional training?” after the failed mission against Sasuke.
If taken to their worst they can have an all-or-nothing nature, this is neutralized when more “healthy” and less hypersensitive their Fi is. Evidence: Her whole fight against Tenten. She should to be someone strong, determined, disciplined with a strong chracter that will never let anyone mock her.
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Strong sense of inner control reached by vigorously working to control the outside world. The only way they can feel in control of themselves is by taking control of their surroundings. Evidence: How she managed to control the situation when Shikamaru was trying to ask her out on a date, her reasoning during their Chuinin Exams fight. 
Fi might also inspire them to take up causes that have personally affected them, ingrained on a deep fear of being a bad person or having corrupted moral. Evidence: Given her participation in the Konoha Crush Temari is one of the main actors to amend the relationship between Konoha and Suna in the time skip. Also she wants to archive a peace she never had due to her childhood as a Gaara’s sister and Rasa’s daughter, shown in her important participation in the Shinobi Alliance. Her deep care for both of her brothers given their mother’s death and she taking a position of caretaker within the family on an unconscious level. 
Unconscious yet particular empathy and concern for children, often finding great fulfillment in having and caring for children. Evidence: In Part I, after the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, The Sand Siblings stay in Konoha to help at the Academy. Temari reveals to Shikamaru that she had done it because she was fond of it. Children seem to really respect and admire her. 
Source MBTI 
Enneagram: 8w9 (The Diplomat)
Basic Fear
Eights with a nine wing fear being hurt by others. They avoid situations in which they have less control, generally preferring to be in positions of leadership.
Basic Desire
Their basic desire is to guard themselves against threats and control their own destiny. They may express this by asserting independence at a young age.
Hence Diplomats (8w9) defend themselves by building emotional walls and denying vulnerability. They seek to appear strong, subconsciously believing that being too emotional will make them seem weak (Haven’t you received emotional training?). They,
Dislike taking orders from other people
Though they are certainly not the most chill of all types the most calm and laid-back of the eights. 
Struggle to openly share emotions
Fear being controlled by others
Seek autonomy and independence. 
At their best diplomats use their wit and ability to see different perspectives to face different projects. Their naturally energetic and confident persona make of them people that can lead others effectively, through support and guidance. They have a talent to give others what they need, and are empowering and advocating for others. They feel a need to protect the ones they love and enjoy their-selves the most when they are surrounded by these people. 
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At their worst diplomats, given their struggle to control their temper and their tendencies to be stubborn or rigid can enter excessively in conflict or disagreement or directly reject and dismiss others. They struggle to face emotionally vulnerable situations due to their sense of lack of inner control with can make them seems overly confident or emotionally detached. They also can develop a dislike for rules from authority figures. 
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The best way to communicate with a 8w9 is to be direct and straightforward, while encouraging them to share their ideas. If conflict arises it’s better to address conflict directly and logically; discuss and work together toward the best solution.
Source of Enneagram 8w9 
Conclusion
For that we have seen through this analysis some key things about Temari. 
She is quite a direct and logical and rational individual who values to get things done in the outside world. 
She has leadership skills, given their courageous and confident attitude, but can also come up a abrasive or controlling. 
Tend to overstate things and may say or do things that they, later on, wish they could soften. 
Is incredibly loyal to her set of values and those around her and tends to involve personally with the things she works on. 
She tends to want to have a control of the outside world and her worst fear is to loose it, cause is in the only way she can feel in control of herself. 
She wants independence cause that is the way she can feel in control of herself. Therefore she tends to leave emotions on one side, they are less controllable cause they are in her inner world, and focus her energies on the outside (rational) world.  
2.  Shikamaru and Konoha Hiden: The Beginning of Everything.  
I can begin to trace the disservice towards Temari in this point in time, in the anime’s adaptation of her character from the light novels. From here we can begin to see how they are starting to tweak Temari’s character (in a way that’s unfair and clearly not coherent) to fit her into the mold of the angry or crazy girlfriend/wife though with moderation. 
Why? Why, do you have to adapt an moment like this...
Clutching his back, Shikamaru turned his eyes toward the voice.
A woman with a sharp gaze and golden hair tied into two bundles stood there, holding a giant fan in both hands. And that fan had no doubt created the wind that had knocked Shikamaru flying.
Temari...
"So you're just gonna skip out?! You're gonna do whatever he tells you to? That's not like you at all! I expect a lot more from you! Get it together, you idiot! I mean, I know you actually think this guy's boring! His stupid lecture's total  garbage! Am I right? Say something! Shikamaru!"
His ears, now accustomed to Gengo's weighty tone, took in the screeching, loud voice, and his eyes flickered with pain. "Ah!"
The haze blanketing his head vanished cleanly and completely. The thing squeezing his heart was gone; it was as if a hole had popped open in his chest. 
But it felt amazingly good. He inhaled deeply, down to the bottom of his stomach, and slowly let it out. A laugh naturally followed.
A single blow to pull him out of the genjutsu...
"So you show up out of nowhere to badmouth me?" He put a hand on the back of his head, eyes fixed on Temari as he stood up.
"I came to save you. Quit grumbling and thank me." She rammed the end of the folding fan into the ground, rested her right elbow on the pivot, and puffed her chest out. Behind her stood a line of ninja. They all had the mark of Sunagakure carved into their forehead protectors. 
"I can't exactly go letting you die now, can I?" She grinned.
Her smile, glittering like the fire of the desert sun, cleared Shikamaru's heart. Her earlier words came back to life in his head.
Source: Naruto: Shikamaru Hiden - A Cloud Drifting in Silent Darknes (2015) by Masashi Kishimoto, Takashi Yano 
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I know this may be completely unpopular but, hey I am here to say what I think. You can always count that’ll be honest. And I don’t like this. 
This in my opinion this is not female empowerment, this is not funny and this is not Temari reacting naturally to the situation she is involved in. Is just simply her hitting Shikamaru with no reason at all. 
In the novel, as we have seen, Temari lectured him (oh, boy did she lectured him just rightly). She basically made her come into his senses using logic and reason, using words, the same through which Gengo almost defeat him. And that is Temari, she may not be the best at expressing her emotions but when conflict arises she address conflict directly and logically. She explains, in a way that yes may seem imposing for others, but that always uses Te (extroverted thinking) as her main weapon. 
Temari would never make someone come to his senses by a love declaration but she wouldn’t slap him on his face either. 
Temari does this because, although Shikamaru hurt her, Shikamaru is someone dear to her and she knows that he needs of a little bit of tough love in order to function. This is Temari’s way of being empowering and advocating for others.
And you may be asking. But hey, Temari had already slapped Shikamaru before and you didn’t say nothing about that moment? Yes she did, but that moment was intrinsically different to this second one. 
This slap...
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It’s justified in Temari’s character. Maybe it’s not the best thing she could do, nor what I pictured her to do, but is not that detached with the situation. 
Let’s see another extract of the Light Novel to understand better the context:
"Oil" A voice called to Shikamaru from behind.
He clicked his tongue imperceptibly. The voice belonged to the person he least wanted to speak with at that moment. Ignoring it, he kept moving forward.
"Shikamaru, hold up!" The voice beat at his back, threatening to send him flying.
"What?" He turned just his head to look at the woman over his shoulder.
Temari from Sunagakure. Her hair was shorter now than it had been two years ago, and she had pulled it back into two bundles on either side of her head. Her eyes were gentler now than they had been, set in a fairly adult looking face. But given that she was older than Shikamaru, her face didn't just look grown-up; she was actually already a very fine adult.
"What's going on with you?" She stared at Shikamaru with eyes that drooped somewhat more than they used to. 
"What do you mean?"
"You've been weird lately." Temari's slender hand reached out to Shikamaru's shoulder and pulled him around to face her.
What a drag... The words made it all the way to his throat before he managed to desperately swallow them back down.
"I mean your attitude at the meeting there. You just sit there with your mouth shut. Everyone gets nervous; the whole place tenses up, you know."
"It does?"
"You didn't notice it?" Temari's eyes grew wide. "What happened?"
"Nothing."
"It's something you can't talk to me about?" Temari's hard gaze hurt.
In the two years since the Great War ended, Temari had been a good and understanding partner in their work on the alliance. She shared his desire to keep the shinobi from fracturing into factions once more after they had finally come together in the face of a powerful enemy. She had rallied the Allied Forces with him. The strong bond between Naruto, seen as a candidate for the next Hokage of Konoha, and Gaara, the Kazekage of Sunagakure, also played a part; the relationship between the two villages was extremely good, even among the five great nations. With these kinds of outside factors also at work, Shikamaru and Temari each recognized the other as their greatest ally in the alliance.
"Something's happening in Konoha." She had fairly good insight.
However, her shot was a little off. Nothing was happening in Konoha, although it was true that they were trying to take care of the situation with only the shinobi of Konoha. So Temari was half-right, half-wrong.
The basic policy of the alliance was that matters relating to the life or death of shinobi themselves exceeded the framework of the villages and should be shared with the entire group. What Shikamaru and Kakashi were attempting to do was in very clear violation of this policy. Even so, he couldn't say anything. Getting the alliance involved now and stirring up trouble with the Land of Silence was not a good plan.
I'll handle it... His resolve hardened.
"Is there anything I can do?"
"There's not."
Temari dropped her eyes at Shikamaru's curt reply. "Okay," she muttered, lifelessly. In the next instant, the brief look of sadness on her face changed to anger.
It was all he could do to take a breath. He had no room to dodge; before he knew it, Shikamaru was flying. He tumbled down the hall a few times before ending up on his backside in a seated position. The right side of his face swelled up, bright red. Stroking his hot cheek, Shikamaru looked up at an indignant Temari glaring down at him.
"I never actually thought I could've misjudged you so badly!" Her angry yell turned into a powerful wind, pushing up against his face.
"I-I'm sorry..." The words were unconscious. He unthinkingly took on the persona of his father stumbling home in the morning, only to get yelled at by his mother in the entryway.
Taking long strides, Temari passed by Shikamaru and disappeared, her eyes slightly damp.
Source: Naruto: Shikamaru Hiden - A Cloud Drifting in Silent Darknes (2015) by Masashi Kishimoto, Takashi Yano
We see a Temari that is continuously trying to reach someone who she had become closed to and with whom she had worked side by side since the war ended two years ago. Someone who she thought trusted her. The slap is given her sadness with ended up being represented in anger (inferior Fi). She had a real reason to be sad: Temari isn’t someone who lightly trust or cares about someone and Shikamaru was just closing the door to her. Saying that he didn’t need her. And there’s nothing that Temari wants more than feeling need, something that is evidence in her Tsukuyomi Dream, which may not be canon, but yet captured Temari’s character. 
Not only that but, as we said, Temari’s basic fear was to be hurt by others. That’s why she usually has that overly confident and seemingly emotionally detached attitude. And once she left her guard down she was hurt by non other than a person she hold dear, which we have seen ain’t an easy point to reach with someone with Temari’s personality. Given her “all or nothing” outlook this might be a really bad wound for her, like if he was back-stabbing her. 
That’s why "I never actually thought I could've misjudged you so badly!" and Temari’s cry really is so important. It shows she’s truly hurt. It justifies her punch, no. But it explains it. (I won’t lie, I also wanted give Shikamaru a good punch when I read this)
Also this moment wasn’t exactly the best adapted sequence but it’s much better than the previous one and with the right context it all comes quite justified. 
You could also say that there was also that one time were Temari hits Shikamaru with her fan after she realizes in the Konoha Hiden that Shikamaru and her were actually searching for a wedding gift for Naruto and Hinata, 
“Hmm, so that’s what it all was....” She said, smiling peacefully.
“No, hold on ...Ah!!” Shikamaru inadvertently let out an exclamation.
It was possible that Temari’s misunderstanding had been- “Hey, oi ...You couldn’t have thought that, right.”
When he said that, for some reason, Temari silently took her tessen off her back, holding it in her hand.
“H-hey...what is it?” He asked. “Why’re you suddenly taking that out...? Wh- what’s up with your chakra...?!”
Temari grinned affectionately at him.
Shikamaru was captivated by the sight, and found a smile forming on his face, too.
Smiling at each other like that, they looked like the very picture of an intimate pair of lovers.
That night in Konoha...
One sudden, out-of-season gale swept over Konoha’s hot springs, and lasted the entirety of the night. The residents and tourists spent the whole night awake, too frightened to sleep...
Source: Konoha Hiden: The Perfect Day for a Wedding (2015) by Masashi Kishimoto and Shō Hinata
And I agree I am not saying this is fine either (though there isn’t that much of an explicit but an implicit hit), but is also something Temari shows to be sorry and ashamed about later in the story. Even though she is prideful and won’t be able to admit it she finally does. Because at the end of the day Temari is a lover and fighter but, even though she won’t admit it, will love rather than fight. 
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Besides the context in here is different. They had already went on a date and could almost be consider a couple. I had already posted a quote were Ino and Sakura talked about Shikamaru and Temari’s relationship. It was obvious there was something going on for months (If you want to get to know better you can see the time line). It wasn’t that far-fetched to understand the situation as Temari, someone who’s pretty direct, was interpreting them. 
It’s something through which they both learn and grew together. Shikamaru will never be as frontal as she might want to but he is willing to give it a try for her and she is willing to try to understand what is going in his mind. 
Also I think that this novels suffered of having different writers so it sometimes feels as the story unnecessarily regresses. Kishimoto only illustrates the stories and this becomes pretty showing. However and despite I don’t enjoy Temari hitting Shikamaru, the novels itself aren’t that detached from Temari’s character. The soul of her character is still there.
But are these slight changes in the anime showed us the way that they were trying to head Temari’s character in Boruto, changes that as we had seen during her analysis don’t seem to fit rightly her character. Specially in Perriots adaptation of the manga we see a deep misunderstanding of Temari, from her behaviour to her wants and feelings. Unluckily, the worst was yet to come. 
3. Boruto: Why did they did this? 
Well, here is what triggered this whole post. Temari’s portrayal in Boruto. And I got to say one thing before starting with this analysis. I really like some scenes of Temari in Boruto. 
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To see her in action, training with the new generation of the Ino-Shika-Cho and protecting her son were fairly enjoyable but, more importantly, are congruent with her character. It’s her more domestic scenes which I tend to dislike a lot.
I consider than in this scenes they depict Temari as an angry housewife and an aggressive mother which, in my opinion, are the greatest disservice to Temari’s character. Maybe I am the only one that thinks this, but (as I said previously) I don’t find them funny nor that they depict Temari correctly, serve a motif in the narrative or serve any agenda. They are simply treated as comic relief. 
This is truly hurting for someone that is not only a Temari fan but a ShikaTema shipper since they transformed a relationship that was based on mutual trust, respect and communication above anything else into this dynamic we see in Boruto. 
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And I have to hypothesize why they made Temari do this I would have two main factors: 
Lazy Writing and Appeal to Nostalgia: All Nara men marry to troublesome woman so they found in this moments a cheep way to remind the audience constantly that Temari is troublesome and therefore be able to make easy correlations to Shikaku’s relationship with Yoshino. 
The Tsundere Trend: Maybe this is me overthinking a little bit too much (but when I don’t)  but the Tsundere one of the most capitalized dere types in anime. People seem to love them in a way I don’t fully understand. Having a woman inflict danger to his partner is the most easy way to scream “tsundere” maybe not the best but an easy one. Mind that when we speak about a tsundere I mean: 
A stock love interest who is usually stern, cold or hostile to the person they like, while occasionally letting slip the warm and loving feelings hidden inside due to being shy, nervous, insecure or simply unable to help acting badly in front of the person they like.
The Japanese term tsundere refers to an outwardly violent character who "runs hot and cold", alternating between two distinct moods: tsuntsun (aloof or irritable) and deredere (lovestruck).
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Funny enough I never saw Temari as a Tsundere. I would never say, from the manga, that Temari ‘runs hot and cold.’ Yes, you don’t want to mess up with her when she is angry but it’s not like this happen often in the manga. 
The only time I consider we have seen Temari go angry pretty quickly (in Naruto) was in her match with Shikamaru when he said that he wouldn’t be defeated by a woman. But I think we can’t apply one situation to larger and broader spectrum. That was in the middle of a fight and, as I explained in a previous post of mine,  there were much more other things involved in the context of the manga/anime at that point in time. 
I have always consider Temari someone who was deep in control of herself and her emotions, capable of displaying what she wants to show when she wants. This is because of her own basic fear of being hurt, hence she only shows this emotions when she is either, truly hurt, angry or when she trust enough the other person. 
That’s why is so important that the only times we have seen Temari fully displaying this emotions were around Shikamaru or her brothers. 
I don’t like that much dere types but, if I had to chose one, her sarcastic humor and realistic outlook of life, always seemed more alike to the profile of a hinedere
The hinedere is a sarcastic, cynical person who always looks to the darker, more realistic side of things and is very quick to reveal that to other characters. They tend to be arrogant and cold-hearted however, the hinedere will have a soft spot for their love interest and will reluctantly but reliably do anything for them.
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This dere type may not be as popular but, I think, fits much more her personality all through Naruto. However, that’s a personal opinion and no falling into a dere type should, if it’s understood correctly, disrupt the core character. 
Okay so, they wanted to make Temari fall into this direction but... Why isn’t this her? Well that’s the following point. 
4. Why this isn’t Temari?
Temari at the beginning of Naruto is someone that thinks that life is like in the dessert: everything is though and hard and only the fittest are meant to survive. Anything or anyone that shows her weakness is naturally inferior or undesirable. That is her outlook of life: you have to be pragmatic, logic and strong if you want to continue fighting another day. The weak are naturally destined to loose, and hence she doesn’t care to be the one to destroy them since it’s only when you impose fear that you’ll be actually able to survive. 
That ideology, she had learn all through her childhood, translates in her battle against Tenten and began to be challenged in her battle against Shikamaru. At the end we see a Temari that, despite being born to fight, develops as a character chooses to dedicate her life to the search of peace in order to protect those weaker ones that she once loathed. That’s why she is an incredible ambassador for Suna and good adviser of Gaara: she yet has that pragmatic, logical and sometimes cynical point of view but that contrast with the idealism of her brother and helps them to balance each other out. She is highly loyal and I am sure she’ll do anything for her family and to protect that peace she found in it. 
Hence, I always find it pretty hard to believe that Temari would rather take her fan and hit someone before having a reasonable, direct and straightforward conversation. 
Even, before her evolution, we see that Temari is much less willing to enter a unreasonable and violent dispute than her brothers and that is what, in the first instances sets her apart from them. 
When Temari first hits the scene just before the start of the Chunin Exams, by mere virtue of the fact that the group that she’s with is intimidating, she becomes a bit scary herself, but she shows to be different than both of them. 
Kankuro comes off as the tough, scary guy who you don’t want to mess with only to be swiftly upstaged by the seriously blood-chilling Gaara.
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(Sorry for the image in spanish but basically Temari is telling Kankuro to leave Konohamaru alone and to not involve her in his actions) 
Temari, on the other hand, stands by coolly, occasionally offering her brothers warnings or plays referee. Her sit-back-and-bide-her-time attitude makes her look like the most stable of the three in comparison; Kankuro picks a pointless fight with a kid and Gaara ends up looking psychopathic. 
Temari’s rational and cool behavior also pays testament to what readers later see are some of her major strengths which keeps repeating itself through the manga, in the Forest of Death during The Chunin Exams and in The Five Kages’s Summit it was Temari who during tense times was able to cool them up. 
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(Temari asking Gaara to calm down during the second stage of the Chunin Exams)
However, I got to admit that Temari isn’t a saint. She has a sharp tongue and she is straight foward and direct what, as we said before may lead to her to say things that, in retrospect, they wish they could rescind, or at least soften, which can lead them to respond defensively or re-actively. 
Things like this we see them while she looks at Shikamaru after the failure of Sasuke’s Rescue Mission. Even when she had lectured Shikamaru she then looked at him as if she questioned if she had been to harsh on him. It was clear that she had misjudge him as she realized how much she cared for his friends. Or in the Konoha Hiden as, after having that little incident with Shikamaru she is nervous to see him again. 
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That’s why I can’t imagine Temari simply hitting someone just for kicks. Is not like she can’t but that she doesn’t want or sees the appeal to do it. 
The is in a lot of senses the perfect kunoichi, disciplined, determined, strong and intelligent and will never let anyone mock her (that’s for sure). She is ruthless towards her opponents cause that is her way of approaching a rival but she will never be violent for violence’s sake. 
It’s not like we just attacked the Leaf Village for kicks, you know? We were following orders. That’s all, just like we’re doing on this mission.
Temari to Shikamaru during the Sasuke’s Retrieval Arc
But even less than this I imagine being violent towards people she appreciates and cares as Shikamaru and Shikadai. Yes, I think she would most likely express herself through some tough love, being strict with Shikadai and not letting Shikamaru just slack and complain about everything. But, never, ever, I imagined her being physically or verbally violent towards them without feeling any remorse. Cause she never was in Naruto. 
She was direct and honest, maybe a bit to much for people, but after her the Chunin Exams her character never showed to be like that to anyone. Even less towards Shikamaru.
You have the “crybaby” thing going on but I would rather think that of a positive rather than a negative aspect because of the way in which she says it. It shows their connection as individuals which is full of bickering and this back and forth of clever commentaries but that is build on common ground. You may not be the people that like these but that doesn’t mean that Shikamaru feel the same as you. 
If not he would never have this expression on this face...
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Temari is the one that trusted fully in him during war even to the point of considering him capable of being Hokage because “he has the power to reach/.sway away people’s hearts” and she wants to create a world of peace with him. Their relationship was about bringing out the best of each other not the worst, which doesn’t mean they don’t function like fully capable individuals without the other (cause they do) but that through their interactions they developed into better people. We are after all, social creatures and we need of others and the Sand Siblings are exemplary that that doesn’t make you weak but stronger. That you can change your preconceived notions of the world and learn from others, change for the better and use that strength protect instead to attack or seclude yourself. 
So why, if Temari was capable to reach a point where she was at her best, letting her fear to be hurt to fall, and use her naturally energetic and confident persona to lead others effectively, through support and guidance, Boruto writers tend to write her in her moments with Shikamaru at what would be her worst, struggling to control her temper and with her stubbornness and rigidness making her excessively enter in conflict or disagreement or directly reject and dismiss others?
This is a complete character regression for Temari. And I don’t mean that characters can’t have their moments, nor that Temari should be perfect, when they are at that stage. But that should be addressed in that manner and not as comic relief. 
In my opinion Temari had always a  talent to give Shikamaru what he needed, giving him some tough love when he needed but at the same time being empowering. 
"So you're just gonna skip out?! You're gonna do whatever he tells you to? That's not like you at all! I expect a lot more from you! Get it together, you idiot! I mean, I know you actually think this guy's boring! His stupid lecture's total  garbage! Am I right? Say something! Shikamaru!"
Source: Naruto: Shikamaru Hiden - A Cloud Drifting in Silent Darkness (2015) by Masashi Kishimoto, Takashi Yano
That’s why, with the clear feel and need to protect and be appreciated by the ones they love and enjoying herself the most when they are surrounded by them, I can’t really see Temari acting like this. 
5. PS: I still love you
This turned out to be really long so I won’t pull it any further. Just let me say this last words. 
I really like Temari, I really do, and in part a lot of my dislike of her portrayal in Boruto comes from that same factor. I truly think she is an amazing kunoichi and someone girls could look up to when watching Naruto, cause yes she had flaws, but this were addressed as such and were never used as comic relief. Besides, her good qualities and strengths quickly unnumbered her flaws: she was intelligent, strong, honest, disciplined, determined, dutiful, loyal and caring. Yes she might be prideful, overly confident, way to upfront and may not like to show that much her emotions but I don’t consider that this flaws could beat her logical and rational mindset that first matched her with characters like Shikamaru. 
Truly I think these scenes are a disservice towards my favorite female character of this whole manga and anime to the extent that if there was one thing I could change about the whole series would be this.
Temari wasn’t that much in the manga or in the anime but she was capable of leaving a palpable impression in me (to the extent that I wrote a +6.6k word essay about her, counting quotes and all) as well as in lots of other people. And that should tell you a lot about her as a character, a character that yes; could have been even better in terms of story and narrative than she was in the Naruto but that also certainly is much better than how they portray her in Boruto. 
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azenta · 4 years ago
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ExTx 3w4 Sx
Months ago I got shit fucking loads of asks about differentiating very specific type, namely ESTP vs ISTP vs ENTJ in a 3w4 core Sx dom.
Let me answer your question real quick now: Their vultology, aka their dynamic non verbal signals. This is how to be sure about it.
You don't do that or don't believe in that? OK, fine. Psychologically, there are cues, but you won't be able to have any certainty because there are too many factors that can induce a wrong reasoning.
Since the last months, I've constated that you can develop into consciousness (integration) lower functions of your cognitive stacks, all while keeping your upper one unconscious, which results in creating very confusing behavioral characters.
Despite one being a Perceiver dominant, the other a Judger dominant, another valuing Ti/Fe, the other Te/Fi, and one being called a Reviser (xxxP in mbti or jcf) and the other a Conductor (xxxJ in mbti or jcf) ; a newly integrated function affect the psychology greatly. Therefore, it gets near impossible to differentiate accurately from psychology alone.
An ESTP with Fe developed (shown as l-l- dev) will look quite alike as an ENTJ with developed Se (l-l- as well) on surface. Both will be hyper, extroverted af, get shit done mood, FAST, playful, and just very proactive. If the ESTP is directive and the ENTJ unseelie (emotional attitude : both attitude are essentially emotionally reserved, closed off and more prone to direct and show their anger), both will look even more the same. If one or both are adaptive/Seelie, in mbti they won't even be identified as an ESTP or ENTJ ironically.
I could go on with how many development could induce confusion in each psychological portrayal, and how in the end, despite telling the differences between P vs J dom, Te/Fi vs Ti/Fe, reviser vs conductor, some development could blur badly those differences to the point of being almost impossible to know through psychology alone.
Your best bet would be to look at the lead functioning, so the main motivation behind all their actions. ESTPs prefer openess and exploring their options while ENTJs will prefer to delineate information and do something "useful" with it. But as I mentioned above with the l-l- dev ; an ESTP with Fe will also incorporate the importance of doing something with their information and an ENTJ with Se will care about consulting all their options and playing with it a bit, therefore it gets hard to know for sure which is leading, especially if they got an ego fixation on the newly conscious function.
Looking for their motivation when you were or they were younger could be your best bet, even then, some develop quite early certain function.
And I didn't even mention about how a pair of function working together can mimick badly a function of the other axis... (ex. Te/Fi faking Fe).
In the end, I cant help much anymore with that kind of question. I could speak of each energetics and functions apart, but when it gets to typing there aren't many ways to be sure of someone's cognitive type.
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1*Hey Em my functions are Te Se Fi and Ni and although I am absolutely certain that these are the ones I use, I’m a bit stumped regarding the order. The Te-Fi axis is very much apparent and my enneagram is definitely 3. When I was younger I had no question about being an ENTJ but recently since then I have looked back at experiences where it seems my Fi and Se have developed substantially. ESFP/ISFP/ESTJ are possible types which I feel like I could be now due to this change (after coming back
2*to MBTI and looking at everything with a fresh set of eyes). As a person I have always been sure of my ability to be able to do something and while others may find this annoying, I am very happy to admit when I’m wrong and go with someone else’s idea as long as it’s better. I love improving things and taking something that’s sub par and making it dazzling/amazing/the best it could be. In group projects I tend to take the lead because I assess the group individually and if I feel they may not          
           3* be able to achieve my vision of what our product should be, I automatically assume leadership. Thanks to being a 3 I’m able to be honest about my achievements - I’m currently a comp sci undergrad with consistently decent grades (always As with the odd B but it never drops below that) but most people don’t see me as a straight A student - lecturers and everyone else see me as a real slacker and someone who looks like they don’t do anything . Not showing up to lectures but             4*somehow still staying at the top of the class. They aren’t aware of all the work I do behind the scenes and I sort of love people being that oblivious to me. I was horrible in school so I see college as a chance at redemption which also brought out my heavily competitive streak, now that I’ve found something I love I want to be the best (when this was not possible at school due to not being able to pick what you want to study).I never miss a deadline although I always start super late and I am     
5*definitely a procrastinator (not because I’m a perfectionist, I’m just lazy and only do tasks when I feel like it). I’ve literally started assignments two days before a deadline and managed to get the best grade in the class - regarding functions, seeing as I’m so convinced at being a Te dom, why do I do this? I always feel like I’m not a true Te user if I’m constantly slaking off and procrastinating but somehow still getting great results? like I should be efficient but I plan stuff in my                
6*head and follow it only when the moment strikes. I love being organised but can never maintain a routine, like, ever - and I should know better for slacking off and should be guilty for not doing work but I just don’t? I always find a way to come back and complete it before it’s too late but I just can’t help but think a real Te dom would be more efficient than me and not have this problem. Also when looking for work experience I only look for companies I have a ‘good feeling’ about,             
7*and recently turned down a great job with a decent salary all because the interview/office space/people just didn’t ‘feel right’ (I’m guessing due to developed Fi but I feel like a Te dom would have no problem with this and would just accept the job, stick it out then leave later on). I also feel like I can see the big picture, I have a 5 year plan ready to go at all times and love talking about this in interviews, I can see how all my current actions fit in together and have referred back            
8*to and adapted my plan to fit in with these choices all the time. If something bad happens or something that I need to work around, I will step back and look at how it affects the plan, then figure out steps that will get me back to where I need to go from where I am now. I always look at things I’m doing and if it doesn’t further my personal development or career in any way, I will not do it (although I think this may be the 3 poking out) 
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Hi anon, I am quite confident you are not a high Te user and I’m not entirely sure your axes are Te-Fi and Se-Ni, though that’s possible (ESFP could fit what you describe here). I am quite confident you’re not an enneagram 3.
It is not clear if the behavior you describe has always been your behavior (procrastinating/improvising, not having a routine, etc) or if this is a recent development. If it’s always been your behavior but you’ve just now come to the realization that you’re probably not a Te-dom, then I agree; if it’s a recent drastic change then I would necessarily need to know that and any precipitating factors.
Assuming that’s the case this all fits the perceiving types far better than the judging types, and based on both what you say about taking the lead in groups and about turning down a job because it didn’t feel right, I think high Fi with lower Te makes sense. There’s nothing that points particularly to the Ti-Fe axis in here.
As for your perceiving axis, it could be either Se or Ne here. There’s nothing really about being more or less conceptual or concrete, and most of the things you describe are I think either more a function of your judging axis, or a function of your situation. It is my personal opinion that having a 5 year plan means one of two things: either you’re young enough to not realize how drastically such plans can change; or you’re in a job or career path where there is a fairly obvious path forward (eg: a medical student sort of knows how things have to go) and your plan is fairly open to change in which cased I’d argue it’s less a five-year plan and more a five-year potential idea (in our medical school example, what happens if they don’t get the planned residency?). Either way, I don’t think it’s really tied to a specific function.
Because you leaned towards ENTJ, and because your Te does seem apparent, my guess is you’re an extrovert so I’d look into both the ExFPs.
Now, enneagram: I’m not sure what it is, but one thing you said immediately stood out to me as the absolute opposite of 3: “They aren’t aware of all the work I do behind the scenes and I sort of love people being that oblivious to me.”
Enneagram 3 isn’t just wanting to be the best. Enneagram 3 is about wanting to be seen as the best. All the heart triad are very tied up in other people’s opinions of you; an enneagram 3 wants credit for their work and wants to be seen being valuable.
Based on my MBTI typing I would look into 7 just because it’s very common in those types; otherwise I think you are just a competitive person, which many people can be without being a 3.
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funkymbtifiction · 7 years ago
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Frasier: Daphne Moon [ENFP]
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OFFICIAL TYPING BY: mysterylover123
Extroverted Intuition (Ne)/Introverted Sensing (Si): Daphne’s mind is abuzz with ideas and connections. She always finds connections between things, and easily mistakes her quick wit and skill at connecting concepts for psychic powers. She’s often running on about various events in her past and how they could vaguely connect to the present situation. She’s open to all possibilities presented to her, from her environment to the people around her. She’s quite extroverted and chatty, and enjoys sharing her ideas with others. She often gets too attached to certain ideas/concepts (like her little puppet show for Frasier) and fails to notice that they might not be applicable in a certain situation. She enjoys playacting and fantasy, imagination and possibilities. She’s also wary of getting too bogged down in routine and isn’t afraid to switch things up. Daphne sometimes struggles with precise details and specifics of a situation, and is not exactly great at seeing things for what they are. Her spacey nature prevents her from noticing Niles’ crush on her for years, until it’s flat-out pointed out to her. She’s quite good at keeping the household in line, however, and almost subconsciously puts things in order whenever she shows up. Her domestic skills are excellent.  
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Introverted Feeling (Fi)/Extroverted Thinking (Te): Daphne is a sweet and emotional lady, but dislikes showing her feelings in public. She’s embarrassed to break down crying about her breakup, and highly appreciative of people who support her. She likes to deal with her feelings on her own, even though they’re usually quite obvious to anyone paying attention. She tends to make decisions with her heart, sticking with the Crane household instead of getting her own place (for instance) because she likes being part of a family. Daphne is very straightforward and direct with getting what she wants. She doesn’t hesitate to speak blunt truths even if they might cause offense.
(Retyped from ENTJ. Daphne’s Te is strong enough that I mistook it for dominant before.)
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atarahderek · 8 years ago
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MBTI Cognitive Function Self-Assessment Test – Refined
Instructions: Answer each of the applicable statements as honestly as possible using the number code. At the end of the test, compare your score to the age chart provided, then find your corresponding four-letter type.
Section 1
What is your age?
5-12
13-18
19-35
36+
Sections 2 and 3: Answer each statement as follows:
1 – Has applied strongly to me since childhood
2 – Applied strongly to me as a teenager/young adult (may still apply strongly now)
3 – Applies strongly to me now, but not as a child/adolescent
4 – Has not yet or has rarely applied to me
Section 2: Perceiving functions
The Perceiving functions are iNtuition and Sensing. They help you take in information from the world around you via pattern recognition, your physical senses, your instinct, and even your own imagination. You use both iNtuition and Sensing, but how they're oriented (introverted or extroverted) determines exactly how you use them and what they can do for you. They are abbreviated Ni, Ne, Si, Se. The Perceiving functions differ from Judging functions in that they are time locked; iNtuition is a future-locked function, and Sensing is either past or present-locked depending on its orientation.
Ni
You are good at setting goals for yourself and attaining them. _____
You prefer to look to the future more than the past or present. _____
You generally do not have a hard time staying focused. _____
You find yourself able to rely on your gut instinct quite a bit. _____
You cannot always explain how you “just know” something. _____
You sometimes come across as a bit egotistical, even if that's not your intention. _____
Ne
You have a very active imagination. _____
You love to explore different possibilities and what-ifs. _____
You envision a bright future for yourself and everyone around you. _____
You get inspiration from both the world around you and your own internal world. _____
You almost always take your time to deliberate over your options. _____
You find you are pretty easily distracted. _____
Si
You would consider yourself a traditionalist. _____
When you make a decision, you stick to it. _____
You prefer to follow an established pattern when doing something, especially if it's new to you. _____
You agree strongly with the statement, “Those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it.” _____
You can be very stubborn about changing your methods or routines. _____
When overwhelmed with unfamiliar options, you've been known to freeze up or shut down. _____
Se
You prefer to take life one day at a time. _____
You love to engage as many physical senses in a new experience as possible. _____
Your motto is carpe diem or YOLO. _____
You are often the first to jump right into a new experience. _____
You don't like to hold onto the past, especially if it hurts. _____
You are known to be impulsive; you don't often consider the consequences of your actions. _____
Section 3: Judging functions
The Judging functions are Thinking and Feeling. These functions help you process and apply the information you absorb throughout your day. As with the Perceiving functions, you use both of them, but the specific work they do is determined by their orientation. Though they act behind a Perceiving function, they are the first functions to be fully developed in introverted Perceivers and extroverted Judgers. They are abbreviated Ti, Te, Fi, Fe.
Ti
You are considered witty or sarcastic. _____
You love picking apart and analyzing things, figuratively or literally. _____
You would consider yourself something of a nerd. _____
You greatly value logic and practicality, especially on an introspective level. _____
You often play the devil's advocate. _____
You struggle to be tactful. _____
Te
You are considered a good leader. _____
You value efficiency and logic, especially in a social setting. _____
You hate waiting around for “someone else” to get something done that needs to be done. _____
You value a strong team and will work to make even the weakest member an asset. _____
If anyone messes with a member of your team, they face your wrath. _____
You tend to hide your emotions or your “soft side” and may expect others to do the same, for fear of appearing weak or incompetent. _____
Fi
You have a very strong sense of self-identity. _____
You have a strong personal moral foundation from which you will not deviate. _____
You sympathize easily even with situations you don't fully understand. _____
You believe everything happens for a reason. _____
You are extremely idealistic and altruistic. _____
You take things very personally, and may fail to think logically if one of your values is attacked. _____
Fe
You have a very strong sense of fair play. _____
You have a strong sense of community and inclusiveness. _____
You are highly empathetic; you can read the emotional atmosphere and will respond accordingly. _____
You prefer to maintain emotional stability so you can be a strong shoulder for others to cry on. _____
You want what's best for everyone; you are very nurturing and protective. _____
You may not know when to back off and let someone who is struggling attain a goal on their own. _____
Section 4: Scoring
Tally your score from each function and compare it to the following age chart.
Ages 5-12
Mostly 1's - Dominant function; stop here
Ages 13-18
 Mostly 1's and 2's - Dominant and auxiliary functions
Ages 19-35
Mostly 1's - Dominant function
Mostly 2's - Auxiliary function
Mostly 3′s - Possible tertiary
Mostly 4′s - Possible inferior
 Age 36+
Mostly 1's - Dominant function 
Mostly 2's - Auxiliary function 
Mostly 3's - Possible inferior
Mostly 4's - Not applicable
Your top functions (list up to four that apply to you): ____-____-____-____
Section 5: Typing yourself
A healthy personality type develops functions in complementary pairs; dominant/inferior and auxiliary/tertiary. For example, a person whose dominant function is Te will have an inferior function of Fi. If their auxiliary function is Si, their tertiary will be Ne (the function stack Te-Si-Ne-Fi gives a type of ESTJ). Since each function is developed at a different stage in your life, you will notice that a function that applied strongly to you in childhood or adolescence may not apply as strongly to you as another function does now. The season of your life—stress, difficulties, big life changes—can also affect which function shows most strongly, and could lead to an unhealthy personality in the form of dom/tert loops or inferior grips. Please keep this in mind when organizing your functions into a stack that matches one of the 16 types. You will only have four functions to work with; the remainder are your shadow functions, which you will not live long enough to develop. If you are using one of these rather strongly in conjunction with an established function stack, you may be at risk for an unhealthy personality.
Use the following chart to type yourself. If your personality is healthy, you should only need the first two functions to figure out your type. If a function seems out of place in your stack, compare it to the loops and grips possible for each type (each loop includes the diminished auxiliary function in parentheses). If the out-of-place function is still not listed, assume that it is a shadow function and move on to the next function in your stack. However, keep the misplaced function in mind, as it may be a clue as to which function belongs in that spot.
If you are 13-18 and cannot figure out your type from your top two functions, go back and take the test again from the perspective of a 19-35-year-old, as you may be in the midst of developing your tertiary function a bit early. If you still cannot figure out your type, it is entirely likely that your auxiliary function has not been developed enough for you to type yourself at this time. Be patient, and take this test again in a year or so.
Type Function stack (Loop) Grip
INTJ Ni-Te-Fi-Se Ni/Fi (Te) Se
INFJ Ni-Fe-Ti-Se Ni/Ti (Fe) Se
ENTP Ne-Ti-Fe-Si Ne/Fe (Ti) Si
ENFP Ne-Fi-Te-Si Ne/Te (Fi) Si
ISTJ Si-Te-Fi-Ne Si/Fi (Te) Ne
ISFJ Si-Fe-Ti-Ne Si/Ti (Fe) Ne
ESTP Se-Ti-Fe-Ni Se/Fe (Ti) Ni
ESFP Se-Fi-Te-Ni Se/Te (Fi) Ni
INTP Ti-Ne-Si-Fe Ti/Si (Ne) Fe
ISTP Ti-Se-Ni-Fe Ti/Ni (Se) Fe
ENTJ Te-Ni-Se-Fi Te/Se (Ni) Fi
ESTJ Te-Si-Ne-Fi Te/Ne (Si) Fi
INFP Fi-Ne-Si-Te Fi/Si (Ne) Te
ISFP Fi-Se-Ni-Te Fi/Ni (Se) Te
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Peach Blossom Clearwater -- Character Sheet
i was supposed to do great things / i knew the rules though / but i wasn’t raised to shoot for fame / i had the safety on / i cut my ties, i sold my rings / i wanted none of this / if you start from scratch, you have to sing / just for the fun of it
Archetype — The Creator Birthday — March 25, 2001 Zodiac Sign — Aries MBTI — ENTJ Enneagram — Type 7: The Enthusiast Temperament — Sanguine Hogwarts House — Ravenclaw Moral Alignment — Chaotic Good Primary Vice — Gluttony Primary Virtue — Diligence Element — Water
Overview:
Mother — Foster Mother: Angelica Martin; Birth Mother: Peony Cabrera-Rodriguez Father — Foster Father: Thomas Martin; Birth Father: Jesus Rodriguez Mother’s Occupation — homemaker/heiress Father’s Occupation — owned surf shop Family Finances — wealthy Birth Order — she was smack dab in the middle of her foster siblings Brothers —  Mark (17), Devon (16--birthday in December) Sisters — Rachel (13), Veronica (10) Other Close Family — None. Best Friend — Marta Tinney Other Friends — Patrick, Melanie, James, Malik Enemies — Georgia Pets — None. 5 foster children were enough. Home Life During Childhood — For an orphan, Peach was pretty lucky. She was never abused. Her first foster family kept her until she was eleven, even with her powers. The other kids teased her and she was a bit quiet and shy, but it wasn’t so bad. When she moved in with the Martins, she blossomed. They were a loving family and she thought that they might actually adopt her... Town or City Name(s) — Sydney, Australia! Born and raised--well, as far as she knows. (She was actually born in Rio de Janeiro and she likes to think she was born in Avalor.) What Did His or Her Bedroom Look Like — She shared with foster siblings. There weren’t a lot of things that were just hers, and she didn’t really get to decorate in her first home. In her second home, everything was pink, pink, pink! Any Sports or Clubs — Cheerleading, dance team, football, softball, she’s actually surprisingly sporty. She also loves to surf. Favorite Toy or Game — Clue was her favorite board game. She was wicked good at it. She also likes playing piano, her foster brother Mark taught her. Schooling — Public schooling, nothing special. Favorite Subject — Literature, definitely. Popular or Loner — Popular after she was in middle school, average amount of friends before that. Important Experiences or Events — being abandoned, changing foster homes, when she spied on her neighbor and found out they were doing very bad things!!, when her foster parents just gave her up without a second thought. Nationality — Australian Culture — ...Australian? (Barbies and the outback!!) Religion and beliefs — Kind of believes in “fate” and “destiny” more than anything else.
Physical Appearance:
Face Claim —  Camila Mendes Complexion — Tan skin, very smooth and pretty. Hair Colour — Black Eye Colour — Brown Height — 5’2 Build — Sporty, she’s got thick thighs and broad shoulders and strong arms because she does all sorts of dance and sports. Tattoos — None! Piercings — Ear piercings Common Hairstyle — Down, kind of wavy. But she’ll put it in a ponytail or pig tails or a little braid. Clothing Style — Very modern but vintage inspired so lots of knee socks and plaid skirts. That kind of thing. She wears headbands and pearls. Frilly blouses. But, she’ll also just rock t-shirts and high waisted shorts. It really just depends on the day, but she definitely keeps abreast of fashion trends (adding her own little twist to them.) Mannerisms — Quirks her mouth a lot when she’s thinking. Talks with her hands a lot, specifically claps them together or shoos people in her excitement. Loves to give high fives. Usual Expression —
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Health:
Overall (do they get sick easily)? — Average. She gets colds a few times a year, but overall pretty healthy. Physical Ailments — None, she’s quite fit. Neurological Conditions — Uhh, none, really. She’s pretty fuckin’ sane, that’s weird. Allergies —  None! Grooming Habits — Takes very good care of her skin and hair. Shaves every day almost. Never leaves the house without make-up on. Sleeping Habits — She lowkey has a lot of trouble falling asleep, so she has a whole routine. And she says nighttime is when she does her best writing. Eating Habits — Eats pretty well, for the most part. But she also love, love, loves sweets. Eats a lot of candy and chocolate, for sure. Loves to bake. Exercise Habits —  Goes running, does pilates and yoga. Loves to play sports. Will try to get on the cheerleading team. Emotional Stability — Ummm. Honestly? Pretty good. She’s got some lowkey PTSD from the stuff she saw. And she’s got abandonment issues. Oh, also, she’s kind of a compulsive liar. Don’t believe anything she says really. Body Temperature — Average. Sociability — Very social. She doesn’t have the greatest social instincts though. She’s very good at reading people, but not at reading a situation, if that makes sense? Like she doesn’t always say the right thing, but she’s usually right about what she does say. Addictions — None. Uhh unless you count lying? Drug Use — Hasn’t done drugs!! (Yet) Alcohol Use — Got drunk once with her foster brothers. Devon tried to kiss her. It was really awkward.
Your Character’s Character:
Bad Habits — Lying. Creating a version of herself she thinks that people will like in order to gain status. Picking at her cuticles. Blurting out things that probably shouldn’t be said in mixed company. Good Habits — She’s really a great friend, very supportive. She’s super smart and analytical. Best Characteristic — Great friend, really. Worst Characteristic — Compulsive lying. Worst Memory — Her foster parents turning her away. Best Memory — “You know, it’s so much harder to think of bad memories than good memories, I wonder why that is?” - Something Peach has definitely written in her journal. Proud of — Her lying skills. Her writing. Her photography. Her dancing. Basically anything she creates. Embarrassed by — Her need to lie. Driving Style — She’d be a pretty good driver, too bad no one will teach her how to drive. Thomas was going to start in the spring, cry. Strong Points — Intelligent, analytical, clever, insightful, caring, curious. Temperament — Happy go lucky! Peach is one of those people who you will never see sad or angry if she can help it. Weakness — Getting tangled up in her own lies; wanting validation. Fears — People thinking she’s stupid or unworthy. Phobias — Minor arachnophobia. Not much else, she’s pretty fearless. Secrets — Who she is, basically everything about her, lol. Regrets — Having gotten caught spying on her neighbor and the whole mess she’s got herself in. Feels Vulnerable When — Someone catches her having an emotion that is not happy. Pet Peeves — uhm she tries not to have them, because that doesn’t go with her zen lifestyle. Conflicts — The fact she knows everyone would hate her if they knew she was lying to them. Motivation — To be admired. Short Term Goals and Hopes — Be admired, do well in school, make friends, explore. Long Term Goals and Hopes — Be a famous writer. Sexuality — Bisexual, probably? Mostly undecided. She probably thinks she’s straight but also knows sexuality exists on a spectrum. Day or Night Person — Day, or well, she wants to be day, but has insomnia that keeps her up late. Introvert or Extrovert — Extrovert. Literally got 100% extroverted on her Myers-Briggs. Optimist or Pessimist — Optimist. Aggressively an optimist.
Likes and Styles:
Music — Pop is her favorite genre. Yup, she’s definitely that girl, though she went through her #scene phase. But her faves are people like Katy Perry and Carly Rae Jepsen (it pains me to put those two next to each other, but to Peach, they’re one in the same.) She loooooves to dance, so anything that gets her moving is going to be what she likes to listen to. Though, she also loves to belt it out with Adele, etc. Books — Gosh, the better question is what books doesn’t Peach like? And the answer would be none! Because there is something to be gained from any book you read! She’s an avid reader, though she kind of keeps it on the down low. But you can’t be a good writer without reading! Magazines — Got to keep up with all the latest gossip! Peach loves all magazines, but she knows to take them with a grain of salt. At least, tabloids. She doesn’t really read things like the Times. Foods — Like I said above–Peach is a huge fan of candy. But, she also likes fruits a lot. Really anything sweet. Though she likes savory and spicy too. Basically, she isn’t particularly picky. She likes lollipops a lot and definitely can be seen eating them quite frequently. Drinks — She doesn’t really have a preference to what she drinks. She likes water. She likes lemonade, juices, soda pop. She’s tried vodka before and was not a fan, but she won’t admit that to anyone and definitely would try alcohol again. Animals — Peach loves anything cute! She’s not a fan of creepy-crawlies or snakes or anything like that or “ugly” does like hairless ones or ones that drool too much. She’s a little afraid of any like–super big animals too (like horses, GASP). One of the first things she’s going to do is buy a cat, even though that is really not advised… Sports — Peach loves sports! Playing them, anyways. She’s not really into watching them on TV, but she’ll definitely go to like--rugby games or football games. And she loves cheerleading, so she’ll probably be at all the games. Social Issues — Her social awareness is still developing but she does consider herself a feminist. Favorite Saying — “There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed.” - Ernest Hemingway Color — Pink! Peach loves pink, always has. Yes, it’s “stereotypical” and “girlie” but she loves it. It makes her happy–the brighter the better, and she often can be seen wearing it. Whenever she’s in a bad mood, she puts on some pink and instantly feels a little better. She’s easy to please like that. Jewelry — Her pearl necklace. Her foster mother bought it for her when she turned sixteen. Websites — Tumblr. Instagram. Twitter. Facebook. She’s big into all the social media stuff. TV Shows — Game of Thrones. Once Upon a Time (yes she knows it is problematic, let her live.) Shows like Gossip Girl and The OC. Lost. Star Trek lowkey. Anything with good writing and/or an interesting concept. She’s a big binge watcher. Movies — Oh gosh. She likes a good mystery, that’s for sure. Also stories within stories (frame stories!!) like Moulin Rouge, Princess Bride, the Fall, and Singin’ in the Rain. But, she really does like anything with a good story. She’s also not one of those snooty “book is better than film” because she can understand the merits of both. Some of her favorite book adaptations are V for Vendetta, Water for Elephants, and the 2005 Pride and Prejudice. Greatest Want — To be appreciated. Greatest Need — To be loved.
Where and How Does Your Character Live Now:
Home — Castle Suites 42W Household furnishings — Modern and sparse, she didn’t want to spend too much money on them, but her apartment is decorated very cute. A few paintings on the walls and lots of throw pillows. Favorite Possession — Her pearl necklace. Most Cherished Possession — Her journals and notebooks. Neighborhood — Gated community. Town or City Name — Sydney, Australia Details of Town or City — It was Sydney, Australia. Married Before — None. Significant Other Before — None. Children — None. Relationship with Family — Nonexistent now. Car — None. Career — None, but she’ll probably have to get a job. Dream Career — A famous writer. Dream Life — A famous writer, that’s it, that’s all she cares about. Love Life — Nonexistent, but she’s hoping that’ll change. Talents or Skills — Good writer, dancer, singer, photographer; she is not too shabby at painting either. Not bad at surfing and a few other sports. Intelligence Level — Too smart for her own good. Finances — Her foster family was wealthy and they did spoil her.
Your Character’s Life Before Your Story:
Past Careers — None. She helped out at the surf shop sometimes. Past Lovers — None, her foster brother Devon was her first kiss. Biggest Mistakes — Spying on her neighbor. (Though, does she really regret it? No.) Biggest Achievements — She probably won writing contests in school and ones she sent out.
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hii! so i was typed an infj, both by cognitive functions tests, personality tests, and the 16 personalities thingy. my enneagram is 6. so because the whole stigma around the mistypings of infj so i get really unsure of my type a lot. no other type resonates with me more but im not the calm, collected version infj’s are made out to be. as my best self i am chaotic, and excited, making no sense at all and being free. i am also not as morally righteous as infjs seem to be, however i used to be more
           chaotic infj back again. i do see myself being easily manipulated by people with npd and such and can also see myself using my NiFe to manipulate others sometimes without even noticing. i also see myself adjusting to those around me to make them the most comfortable, if they need someone shy or outgoing etc. however, because of the N preference in the community i feel i might be mistyped there, when i am in fact an s. i love ideas and big abstract themes such as morality, the nova effect 2/infj            
3/infj politics, mbti, etc but while still in highschool i see myself just wanting facts and facts and no abstract ideas and anytime there is not a definite answer i get anxious. this could be due to the competitive nature of my school and my perfectionism or when i get into an NiTi loop but i also wanted your opinion. i am very self aware and self reflective, hence why i can’t seem to stop doubting who i am, and i know thats a trait of infjs. i also resonate a lot with andrew garfield who is            
4/infj who is an infamous infp and i know im not as idealist as i used to be with politics but i still don’t think im as free flowing as an infp because i don’t revel in being different i hate it. thanks for listening and doing what you do and if you have any thoughts i would really like to hear them            
5/infj, also im sorry about using Ni and Fe and Ti and all those i forgot they were in ur faq and thats normally how i talk about mbti and i also know i used very average descriptions like morally righteous and stuff which is also in ur faq eek, im sorry i tried my best its hard to describe yourself             
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Hi anon,
Just to get it out of the way, I don’t have a typing for this and my advice is going to be what it is for many high schoolers who have difficulty describing themselves, which is wait until you’ve developed more as a person. It’s always hard to describe yourself, but it’s much harder when many of your choices are made for you and you’re still very much in the midst of figuring out who you are.
A few things to consider when retyping yourself in the future: first, tests are garbage. They type essentially everyone who shows mild curiosity about the world as an intuitive, anyone who isn’t extremely extroverted as an introvert, and reduce the valid differences between judgers and perceivers to neat/messy. I do find they’re often kind of okay on feeling vs. thinking (in the dichotomy sense - they can’t tell apart Fi from Fe), but that’s also something that in many cases I find relatively easy to tell. Anyway, the only thing I’d consider taking away from this is that you’re probably a feeler, and the information you provided seems to back that up.
Second, I’m not sure what your sources are for INFJ behavior. The fact is because this type is so commonly over typed, you can hear arguments for basically everything since people of all types think they’re INFJs and even the same descriptions often contradict, and not in a Walt Whitman kind of way but in a “wow you did not think this through” kind of way. I mean, what kind of moral person prides themselves on the door slam, an immature and stupid thing to do*? So I would just ignore all of those and try to type yourself, as a person, based on the functions.
For manipulations; first, how many people do you know with NPD? Like, actually diagnosed? I’m not saying it’s impossible you’ve run into them but I don’t think I’ve ever run into someone personally with an actual APD or NPD diagnosis that I knew of. Second, what specifically do you mean by manipulation? I find it’s an area that gets weirdly defined on Tumblr and sometimes people use it to refer to like, normally asking people to do things for you which is just being a person. Manipulation has an implication of underhanded tactics.
For liking philosophical ideas: I find most intelligent people do. Intuition vs. Sensing isn’t a matter of liking philosophical ideas in an academic/leisure setting; it’s more specifically about how you interact with them in your actual daily life when you’re not in school or spending your free time. I’m a physicist, like, as my job, and I love physics, and I was drawn to physics by a lot of cool theoretical ideas which I still find interesting - but I have absolutely no desire to be a theoretical physicist professionally. So I have a question, and a caveat here: first, would you be happy spending your life pondering philosophical or theoretical questions as a primary thing that you do? And for the caveat: in high school I absolutely would have said yes, and as a junior in college I realized the answer was actually a strong No, which is yet another reason why I think waiting to type yourself until you’re older is often a very good idea. (Note: this is not a perfect sensing/intuition question by any means anyway - I suspect a lot of ENTJs would answer No here because of their dominant Te. But it’s a valuable question to have in mind when typing yourself.)
I think being a little older will also shed whether you want guidance because you’re a sensor or guidance because of the general nature of high school and academic pressures, and whether you want to fit in because you have Fe or because of the general nature of high school. It’s worth noting that if you’re confident in a 6 core enneagram, that might be a factor whether you use high Fe or high Fi.
I don’t place a lot of value on who you relate to; not only do I not personally know Andrew Garfield’s type I think part of the nature of celebrity (and/or fictional characters) is projecting a persona that can appeal to a lot of people, and the reasons we relate to people often are about shared experience or a shared opinion about something important to us. We can relate to people of different types quite easily - which is good - but it means it’s not really a typing tool.
And finally I guess to clarify - the reason I ask people not to use MBTI terms in asking questions isn’t because I dislike it for its own sake - it’s because it makes it pretty much impossible for me to draw my own conclusions. Typing over the internet is always a challenge because I’m relying on someone’s own unintentionally cherry-picked understanding of their personality, rather than my observation, but when they use functions to describe what they do it, I don’t even know what they’re trying to say because there’s an additional layer of uncertainty based on whether their understanding of Fe (for example) is the same as mine and so I have nothing to go on and won’t be able to answer. Believe me, if the FAQ was about things I dislike rather than things I need to type well I would just be deleting every question in which someone ended a sentence with ‘lol’.
So: no idea on type other than feeler, but I hope the above gives you an idea of what to look for in the future, with the understanding that you might not be able to type yourself accurately for a while, and that’s fine.
*as always I make an exception if you’re cutting off ties with an abuser but a lot of the door slam descriptions aren’t “I stopped talking to my abuser and didn’t tell them why because it would put me in danger,” but rather “this person BETRAYED MY CONFIDENCES and I cannot ever forgive them, they have pushed me too far this time and I have given all of myself, but I shan’t be hurt again, I cannot bear it” and it’s all extremely amateur-production-of-a-Bronte-novel and melodramatic and very silly.
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Enneagram and MBTI
I’m going to talk a bit about correlations between Enneagram and MBTI types and how descriptions borrow from each other, sometimes when they shouldn’t.
For all enneatypes: I’m talking about the core.
Type 1: almost exclusively judgers. More common in TJs than FJs; more common in SJs than NJs; and more common in introverts than extroverts (such that the type most likely to be type 1 is ISTJ with not quite a quarter of ISTJs being type 1). This enneatype doesn’t therefore correlate strongly with any one function and tends not to get confused with a certain type.
Type 2: Strong correlation with Fe, particularly dominant Fe. However, not identical to Fe. The enneatype most concerned with morality is type 1, and it doesn’t particularly discriminate between approaches to morality. 2, along with all of the heart types, is about other people’s responses to them, and while this is often used in MBTI to distinguish between the feeling functions, MBTI feeling is about morality approaches first and foremost. Interestingly, ENFPs are more likely to be type 2 than INFJs (though ISFJs are more likely than either, and ESFPs are less likely than either). Perhaps there is a slight correlation with the Ne-Si axis as well, although ISFPs are very slightly more likely than INFPs. This also might be an issue of either intuition being correlated with type 4 or identification with intuition being correlated with identification with type 4 (see Type 4 below). In summary: Type 2 is about a fear of being unloved or unwanted. It is far more common in feelers. It correlates most strongly with dominant Fe (over half of all ExFJs are type 2) but is not exclusive to Fe users, and a high Fi user who is type 2 will not appear to have Fe to the knowledgeable person as this does not influence one’s approach to morality and individualism. Indeed a type 2 high Fi user will probably excel at tailored individual approaches so as to win the love of each individual.
Type 3: Worth noting that the ESTJ data in the sample I’m working from is insufficient. Type 3 is still relatively common, with ENTJs as the most likely type. Type 3 is noticeably more common in extroverts and the Se-Ni axis (ESTPs and ESFPs both have more type 3s than their Ne-dominant counterparts; a significant number of ENFJs are 3s but very few ESFJs). Therefore we can say it correlates with either Se-Ni or dom Te (as ESFPs are actually less likely than ESTPs to be a type 3) and extroversion. It also tends not to get confused with a certain type though it may mess with (inaccurate) stereotypes of perceivers as scattered and disorganized.
Type 4: Very strongly correlated with Fi-doms, but more so for INFPs. Significant numbers of Fi-auxes as well. Also not uncommon among NFJs.
Type 4 like type 2 is often falsely treated as identical to a feeling function (Fi) rather than sharing in similar goals. In fact, ESFPs are more likely to be 2s than 4s and INFJs are almost twice as likely to be 4s than 2s. The reason for this is likely that 4 is not about individual approaches to morality for all people but individuality specifically in the self (and is not about morality at all). Type 4, moreover, is concerned very much with other people’s reactions and judgment unlike Fi, which may or may not be depending on the individual and their values and health.
Type 5: Very strongly correlated with Ti-dominance but actually absent for ESTPs in the sample, though present with ENTPs. Also strongly correlated with Te-auxes. Present in INFxs though less so than their thinker counterparts. As such, introversion and thinking are the primary deciders here, with a preference for intuitives. This is likely due to the 5′s emphasis on objective mastery (thinking),as well as withdrawal (introversion and to a lesser extent intuition). 5 should not be conflated with Ti, as a result, given that it is per this study also the most common type for both IxTJ types accounting for 2/3 of all INTJs and about 28% of ISTJs.
Type 6: Correlated with high Si. Along with 9, this is one of the only enneatypes that has all MBTI types represented. Also correlated with introversion more than extroversion and sensing more than intuition, though introverted intuitives include many 6s. It’s very slightly more common in feelers than thinkers but this may not be significant. The Si correlation is likely due to the tendency of Si users to prefer clear expectations and be prepared for contingencies, and 6′s security focus.
Type 7: Correlated with both dom Ne and Se at about equal levels (representing about 40% of all extroverted perceiving dominants). No occurrence in dominant Ni or Si users; fairly low incidence in Ne-aux types, slightly higher incidence in Se-aux types. This tracks well with the 7′s desire for external stimulation and new experiences which require engagement with the world and therefore extroversion.
Type 8: strongly correlated with extroversion, especially thinkers (Te-doms and Ti-auxes). Very low incidence in high Fe users. This may be due to the 8′s desire to be protective and dominant, which can be at odds with introverted desires though not exclusive with them, as well as the willingness to be confrontational. There is no marked preference for one function, however, so type 8 should not be assumed to be synonymous with Te as it sometimes erroneously is.
Type 9: Clearly more common with introverts and more so with the sensing introverts (particularly ISFPs; almost 40% are type 9); no similar preference for intuitives among the extroverts, however, though this may be a simple issue of sample size. The Se-auxes are most likely to be 9s, though again all types were represented for this enneatype. There is a slight preference for perceivers; this may be due to the 9′s desire to nonconfrontationally engage with its environment rather than control it (as extroverted judging would). The preference for sensors other than Se users however is unclear.
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