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You know how some kids say stuff that freak out their parents like “the man in the corner doesn’t like that” and there’s no one there
or how most kids just stand in the doorway of a room at night for no reason besides waiting for their parents to wake up so they can ask a question but it can be really creepy and freak the parents out
That kind of thing but mostly the second one because I think that’s more common in kids
(previous ask for context)
Alright i totally understand now. That'd be Moja, no doubt!
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STORY TIME - THE FANDOM STAIN
My response to THIS post from stainsofpascal/thesweetestdecline earlier today
@thesweetestdecline
I am going to number these since you’re going to get tired.
1.      FAKE IG ACCOUNT
You said I made a fake account in your name on IG? No. That fake stainsofpascal account isn't me. I'm in Ireland. We don't have Threads in Europe. And a VPN can't get around that. Please check your receipts before wasting all of our time with this bullshit narrative you're trying to deflect with.
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2.   LONG POSTS
You complained that my posts are long. That's because your bullshit is prolific. I don’t mess around. I like to give detailed accounts of what’s happening with receipts to back it up so ppl can clearly see what's going on in the fandom they're now ashamed to be part of. It's also to prevent ppl like you from deflecting by saying your accusers are "crazy" or "obsessed" with you. The receipts don't lie even though you’d like ppl to believe they do.
3.   “BOT ATTACK” ON IG
You accused me of attacking you on IG? No. I haven’t done shit on IG. I haven’t attacked your stainsofpascal or thesweetestdecline accounts. You realise I’m just the loudest of many, many ppl who wonder why you're in the fandom?! Getting you suspended would only feed your need to be seen as an underdog. I’d rather watch all this play out as ppl wake up to your clout chasing. It's not me or my friends who will be your downfall. You'll manage that just fine by continuing your bullshit.
4.  FOLLOWER COUNT ANOMALIES
You’re gas. Always playing the victim to deflect from your own misdeeds. Are you ever going to explain any of the unusual increases in follows or would you like us all to ignore the fact you can get 400 in a matter of hours and drop 500 the next day? Should we believe your version of accounts because you're...... an upstanding member of this community? Stop trying to compare your jumps in followers on your stainsofpascal IG account with other ppls. Your account numbers go up and down faster than a whores knickers on Paddy’s Day in Times Square. No one else has this but you and your dodgy minions who hid their dodgy numbers in a recent attempt to hide their ratios.
5.      COME CLEAN
What have I done in this fandom? I'll admit it (again). I bought Pedro’s white pages and socials info via a website. That was stupid. I regret doing it. What was really stupid was that I shared some of it thinking it was for a laugh and your mate, (let's call her Ms Peacock) used it to trade with ppl across the fandom to gain clout and to gain more information about Pedro. I've tried to make amends but it's far too late as it snowballed into much bigger information getting traded. So to attempt to make amends, I decided to get closer to the psychos and report back. Shitty, I know, but at least the right ppl know about the stalking bullshit and Pedro can protect himself better.
6.  MS PEACOCK AND STALKER REDDIT
After sharing his old info with you and Ms Peacock, I realised neither of you were looking into Pedro's old info just out of curiosity. You were tracking him and his friends around like they’re characters in a story. It’s my bad for not noticing the crazy when it was staring me in the face.  I shared info which was traded from person to person in exchange for info that has been used to help Ms Peacock not just stalk Pedro online but get physically closer to him. First, driving past his old house and now, three years later, she’s living "#twoblocksaway" from his gym according to a recent post. Zero shame.
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I shouldn't be surprised since she used to frequent his actual neighbourhood even though it was a three hour round trip from her town. Before all that, she told us she used his personal email for a project where a group of us had raised money to adopt an elephant for his birthday. I never did get the info on the elephant since she dipped on the group chat after getting what she wanted. Ms Peacock traded info some of us had given her with others in turn for more info and clout. Just like a fandom Gollum. We didn’t realise that stuff we shared was being traded so it could be added to in order to feed her need to feel near him and grow her influence here. You’ve been part of supporting that behaviour too. When Ms Peacock asked you to find out where Pedro was one day, you went straight to the airline staff and lied about possibly being on the flight in an attempt to get the flight details. You ran right back and gave her what you had. I hope you realise we’ve all been played. Some of us learned our lesson and tried to be better but you stayed with her and you guys took it to another level. When you ran out of info, you created a stalker reddit where you share info you gather through lies and deceit with some real psychos in the fandom. I hadn't realised what I fed into until I saw the levels you guys cranked it up to. Now I see what a bit of info in the wrong hands can snowball into. I have a lot of regret about that. (I also have receipts)
Do you regret being part of that? Have you even stopped tracking him?
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7.   CHASING CLOUT
Some of us did some of the stuff you continue to do but we woke up and realised this shit isn't a game. YOU and your shitty friends levelled up and are fucking with ppls lives. You treat him like shit for clout and not because you want him to be a successful human being. You need to grow up and admit that to yourself. Impossible though right?! Coz then you might lose clout. That is why you're here right?!
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If it's not, then why?
TO CREATE COMMUNITY?
I've seen screenshots of your IG posts and what type of community you're cultivating in your comments. Ppl who shit on Pedro's career, his sexuality, his physical appearance, and you've collected a fine assortment of fandom psychos all sharing your posts. You feed them with likes even when their comments are hate filled. Ppl have noticed.
TO STALK PEDROS FRIENDS?
You've posted about contacting Pedro's friends through social media. Going so far as to add trackers to your Tumblr and watch their online status on Instagram. (I’ve got receipts)
TO INTERFERE PEDROS FRIENDS?
You’ve admitted reaching out to Pedro’s old friends. They’re said they’ve unknowingly given information to stalkers they've had to add extra layers of security to their social media. They aren’t there to be used as “sources” during playtime. (I’ve got receipts)
TO STALK PEDRO?
You guys contact his friends, hotel and airline staff for more info on his whereabouts. (I’ve got receipts) If that's not stalking then what do you call it?
TO SUPPORT PEDRO?
Pedro is the punchline of your account. You encourage ppl to drag him by liking their hate filled comments. What’s that about? It would be cute if you weren’t also stalking him but publicly negging the fuck out of you’re victim is a bit tasteless, no?
8.      OBSESSED
You say I'm "obsessed" with you and you've "done nothing to my friends"? No, try, a lot of other ppl in the fandom and I are sick of your holier than thou act when we’ve seen you abuse and attack ppl competing accounts who did nothing to you. You can't fuck up ppls lives and expect to skip off into the sunset. You do shitty things, refuse to acknowledge them and continue to be the best example of what's wrong with this fandom and why it has the reputation it does.
9. WHY DO I "COME FOR YOU"?
I challenge you because you came at others first and like magic, shit hit the fan for them.
Early on you were copying Aude’s style of posting. It's undeniable that your posts were very similar. No one really cared but ppl talked about it in forums and someone sent an anon to @pedrohub who decided to post it for some reason🤔. You decided to attack her in a reblog and accuse her "friends" of sending poorly spelled hate. Then you gaslight her all because she had....stopped liking your posts as much as before. Like wtf?
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Then you blamed Arte for hateful anons you were getting. You said it was her because she had blocked you. You said it was definitely she because she's from Ohio (btw Arte doesn’t talk about being from Ohio so how did you know that?), ignoring the fact another fan is from Ohio and is well known in the fandom to send vicious hateful anons (let's call her Wendys License-Plates Girl). You didn't like Artes reason for disliking you and your account. She blocked you so she just didn’t have to see you. She had never said anything bad about you at that point. You produced screenshots of conversations which were had after you accused her but you ran with them as your "evidence" that she had it out for you in dms and was directing a campaign of hate against you. When nothing came of that, you then blamed her for getting you blocked by Sebastiano Mauri because you.....liked her dog pic? Again wtf. There's a trend brewing here.
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You created these monsters in your head and you took your anger out on unsuspecting fan accounts. Meanwhile, you were posting shit ppl just weren't feeling and stalking SM in dms. You were tracking him and baiting him to speak to you so you could see his activity tracker in IG. I was the one who got you blocked for your fucking stalker bullshit coz you bragged about it.
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You blamed Arte and Aude for bullshit you made up in your paranoid mind. You were told they were innocent by the person you suspectdd of ratting you out but you chose to doggedly go after both of THEM AND NOT ME. Talking shit in dms with whoever would listen. Spinning your usual holier than thou victim routine.
Now, let’s see….
Who has magically lost their account – pascalisfrenchpunk
Who has magically received a death threat – artedepascal (also runs mh_creatives on IG)
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Who was bore witness to your bullshit, Known to be friends with Aude and Arte, Known to have connections to get info to Pedro?
Me.
Why didn’t you ever target me since you had vague posted about me being a rat? You knew I got kicked out of the stalker reddit once the Fleetwoods-rumours blog got published for the guys to read.
But...
I don't use IG so I guess you didn't see me as a threat to your clout chasing on there. You only went for ppl with competing IG accounts because all you want is to be noticed by Pedro and to be the Queen Clout Chaser of the fandom.
NO ONE WAS RUNNING A CAMPAIGN OF HATE BUT I SURE WAS COLLECTING A COLLAGE OF YOUR BULLSHIT TO HELP YOUR VICTIMS.
If you have missed who the fans are that are giving this fandom a reputation for being psychos, please see the Story Time series (so far) below✌️
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10+ Habits of Toxic Parents and How They Ruin Children Without Realizing It
When you have a child, your entire life changes. Suddenly, everything is for the baby. Every parent wants to be able to do right by their kids.
But there are many things that stand between you and being not a good parent, but the kind of parent your child needs.
That's the right way to look at it, in my opinion. Good and bad are relative. But all kids need approximately the same thing in order to grow into happy, healthy, successful human beings.
Parents neglect to give their kids what they need for a lot of reasons. I've seen parents read so many parenting books that they end up not knowing which way is the right way.
I've also seen parents who just don't care, letting their kids do whatever they feel like, or even worse, neglecting and abusing them.
One thing is for sure, there are a number of truly toxic behaviors that imprint on our kids and deeply, profoundly impact their life growing up.
These are habits and actions that you should be avoiding at all costs. Some are physical, some psychological, and some are social.
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1. Not Respecting Boundaries
It's important for parents to think about the boundaries they've set for their children.
When I was young, my parents established some very important boundaries.
Stay out of the parents bedroom. Stay out of mom's office. Stay out of dad's man cave.
There were good reasons for those rules! You're adults, you own things like porno mags and marital aids. You don't want kids getting into that!
But kids also have things they don't want you to get into too. You can't expect kids to feel like respected individuals if you also don't honor their personal space and their boundaries too.
When your kids get older into their teen years, you should not be snooping.
They don't go through your underwear drawer, you shouldn't go through theirs either.
They're old enough that simply talking to them about worries you might have are good enough. Use your words. Don't be intrusive.
2. Failing To Provide Affirmation and Security
A lot of parents, stereotypical macho dad types especially, think that punishment is king.
It takes tough love to shape and sculpt especially young boys into strong, capable young men.
But tough love isn't how you make sure your kids can take care of themselves. Teaching them to take care of themselves is how you teach them to take care of themselves.
Simple, right? By punishing your children over every little thing, you cripple their ability to be strong in the face of life's challenges, because any sign of failure will be met with swift...something.
Not punishment, but...something. Disappointment. Frustration. Anger. Withholding.
We should be teaching our kids about the world as an adult.
When you're an adult and you fail at something, you don't have some authority figure that takes away your gameboy until you do better.
You try harder to do better, and that comes from within.
3. Being Overly Critical
We all have dreams and goals that we don't achieve.
Maybe you wanted to be a football star but you tore your ACL in high school and all that went out the window.
Maybe you were almost the math league champ but didn't quite make it. One thing is for sure: you should not be projecting your failures onto your children.
You can't force your kids to be something that you wish you were. When you do that, you crush their self esteem.
When you project what you want for your kids onto them without letting them choose, and when you level unrealistic expectations, you don't make them better or stronger.
You make them weaker and less likely to be empowered with the tools to take on the challenges of their adult lives.
4. Not Following Through
Parents want to be their kids' best friends. But that's not what kids want.
You don't want to unintentionally raise a terrible adult, and one of the ways you avoid that is by setting rules and actually following through with them.
If you're a new parent, it's good to experiment a little; to see what works and what doesn't.
But at some point you have to see what guidelines and rules work and actually follow through on them. I get it. No parent wants to punish their kids.
No parent wants to tell their kids what's what and see those tears well up. But you need to be able to not manipulate but adjust the mindset of your kids through these guidelines.
You don't want to crush bad habits but develop and incentivize good habits.
5. Not Offering Space
As your kids get older, they need more space from you. This is an important part of growing up.
At some point, you have to stop telling them what to do and you have to stop doing important things for them.
You can't do their homework. You can't write their college entrance essay.
At some point, you need to look at your kids and say, "figure it out. I'll help if you need me too." But even then, make sure that you're not doing anything of the figuring out for them.
Be ready to let your "baby" go when they know they need to figure things out on their own.
Parents who deeply love their kids find it hard to let go the part of their life where mommy and daddy are crucial for every little thing.
But to impose yourself long after that kind of parenting is needed is wrong.
6. Serving Your Kids
You should have a strong sense by now that the right form of parenting is somewhere in the middle of both extremes.
You don't want to throw your kids to the wolves but you also don't want to serve them. When your kids are old enough to learn to cook, teach them to cook.
When your kids are old enough to do laundry, have them do laundry. When your kids are old enough to drive, for God's sake, teach them to drive.
It is important that you don't pamper and serve your kids forever. They need to learn vital skills to maintain themselves as adults.
One of the things I find myself bemoaning the most is how much skill has been lost between my grandparents and me.
There are a lot of skills they had that I just didn't have instilled in me. It's important to give your kids the knowledge that you were given, and pampering them won't teach them anything good.
7. Threatening and Intimidating Your Kids
It's frustrating dealing with the little things with your kids.
They often become afraid and unsure at things that are simple and second nature for you.
They don't always succeed at self control which can be endlessly difficult for a parent simple trying to parent the right way. But what you absolutely can't do is level threats.
"If you don't _____ then _____." "If you ever ____, this is what's going to happen to you."
Under this kind of authority, you've completely destroyed your child's confidence in you.
They won't feel like they can come to you for help because a threat has been leveled.
How can you really talk to a person candidly and honestly about something you're going through if you feel like the result is going to be a punishment of some kind?
8. Helicoptering
The millennial generation will tell horror stories of helicopter parenting.
Check out any reddit thread about helicopter parents and you'll see the carnage they leave behind in the form of adults who don't know up from down and left from right.
When you have a baby, you have to do everything for it. You have to do everything in your power to care for it and make sure it survives.
But you have to let some of that go as time goes by.
You have to honor their mistakes and appreciate their successes and let them grow into independent people.
If you don't, you've raised an adult who doesn't have the skills necessary to succeed on their own.
9. Not Listening
I'll let you in on a secret: kids aren't stupid.
They can read sarcasm and tell when you're condescending and not listening to them because you think they're just some dumb kid.
Parents: you need to listen to your kids. It's hard to find value in the babble they sometimes send off into the world through their faces but it doesn't matter.
When you listen to your kids, and I mean really listen, it tells them that they're unique individuals who have something to offer this world that we're living in.
True, a 4 year old probably won't ever have something particularly compelling to say to you, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't show them that what they say is important, because it actually is.
Stuff that seems mundane to you might be absolutely mind blowing to them.
If a child tells you that she saw a brown dog that day, hear what they're saying. That may be a first for them.
They want to talk about the incredible experiences they have the same way you do. Listen to your kids.
10. Being A Lazy Parent
For some parents, kids come into the picture and it's so overwhelming that they just kind of hit cruise control and zone out.
Lots of frozen TV dinners and movies in the car.
It's easy to park a kid in front of the TV for 6 hours and then just sit around and be lazy, but being a parent takes work.
It's the hardest job you can possible have. But you have to actually teach your children things. You have to spend time with them, cook with them, and instill all these healthy habits.
It's hard to get your kid to eat well, but you have to. It's hard to get your kid to brush their teeth and floss, but you have to.
It's hard to teach your kid to manage their own homework, to drive a car, to get a job, but all of these things are so fundamentally important that skipping just one can cripple your child for life.
Don't be a lazy parent.
11. Being Friends With Your Child
Not long ago, I was reading about how many kids entering college, when asked about their relationship with their parents, they said their parents were their "best friends."
This is not the kind of relationship that any child should have with their parents until much, much later in life.
A 17-19 year old fledgling of the house should not see their parents as friends but as parents.
You are your child's world to give them guidance, structure, and rules. When our kids, in their volatile teen years, lash out at you for your rigidity, it is not a sign to let up.
It's also not a sign to clamp down. It is a sign you're doing the right thing. You're teaching them, and sometimes these lessons are hard to learn. Your kids should not view you as a friend, but as a parent.
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The Best Films of 2018, Part I
I’ll associate my moviegoing this year with two things: subscription models and superhero films. Realizing that I was the target audience, I signed up for Moviepass in March, then canceled just before they started extorting people in July. (I’ll remember you all semi-fondly, conniving alarmists in the Moviepass Reddit thread.) Thanks to Moviepass, I took full advantage of my free time over the summer, and I found some nice surprises that I wouldn’t have checked out otherwise. From there I joined AMC A-List, which is the rare corporate service that I cannot complain about in any way. Moviepass always felt like some kind of drug deal, whereas A-List is as easy and inviting an experience as possible. I get to seek out Dolby, IMAX, or 3-D showings instead of getting locked out of them, and the electronic ticketing helps with my last-minute availability. (I’ve mastered the art of lovingly putting my daughter to bed, only to desert her and my wife five minutes later. “You know, there’s an 8:10 showing of The Predator, which means 8:30 after previews...”) My overall viewing was up 11% this year, which I have to attribute to these subscriptions. Perhaps I saw too much though. After a self-righteous five-year ban on superhero movies, I caught up in 2019 like the madman completist that I am. On the plus side, I enjoyed Wonder Woman and Guardians of the Galaxy, and I vaguely feel more connected with the culture-at-large. But I could have been more selective. The diligence required to watch X-Men: Apocalypse late on a Thursday night took away from, say, my Orson Welles project or...reading books. To get some of the business out of the way, I haven’t seen Burning, Shoplifters, Destroyer, Cold War, The Sisters Brothers, Tomb Raider, The Wife, or The House That Jack Built. Not all of us get screeners or care about seeing The Wife.  Mostly for argument purposes, I list everything I saw and divide the movies into the categories of Garbage, Admirable Failures, Endearing Curiosities with Big Flaws, Pretty Good Movies, Good Movies, Great Movies, and Instant Classics. Hey, speaking of superheroes:  GARBAGE
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123. Venom (Ruben Fleischer)- Venom was first announced as an R-rated film until it was neutered into PG-13 at some point in the development road. That was the right choice because this is a movie, in all of its broad, careless storytelling, for children. "So he's going to get married to her but then he looks at her email and then he interviews the guy and he gets fired so then she leaves him and he drinks now?" This is a dummy's version of what a journalist is or what a scientist is, and it never shades into more subtlety than exactly what is on the expected surface. I guess that Tom Hardy gets to jump into a lobster tank if that floats your boat, but the story is stuck on fast-forward for the whole movie, never relenting to develop character or do anything other than communicate information that we don't really need.
Venom is almost--almost--interesting as a new branch in the superhero economy. Why shouldn't Tom Hardy and National Treasure Michelle Williams trade the equity they've built for caring about their work into this trash? I don't begrudge them that for a second. I hope they make more money for the sloppy sequels. 122. The Equalizer 2 (Antoine Fuqua)- The first Equalizer was flat and pointlessly long with pedantic dialogue too, but at least it had the Home Depot sequence. This one makes very basic stuff incoherent and dawdles all the way to the end. Your boy is now an expert hacker too? I guess it's too late for Fuqua to start caring about scripts.
121. Mandy (Panos Cosmatos)- I need somebody to explain to me why, dramatically, this is good without something like, "It's so metal! What a midnight movie! Chainsaw fight lol!" If you want to talk about the visuals that are stylized within an inch of reality, then I'll listen. But there's nothing to hold onto dramatically. I think I've developed an overall irritation with revenge films, but this filthy dirge of a movie felt empty and endless by any standard. 120. Fifty Shades Freed (James Foley)- Its intentions are too guileless to upset me, but Fifty Shades Freed uses up the goodwill I sort of had for the first two by tugging the viewer relentlessly through conflict that always seems temporary. Part of the fun has always been how bizarre basic human interactions seem in this universe. (Has anyone ever returned from a vacation to be surprise-promoted?) But this entry expects way too much from its viewer's loyalty. 119. On Chesil Beach (Dominic Cooke)- There's supposed to be a disconnect to the behavior of the couple in On Chesil Beach, a movie that asks us to harken back to a time when newlyweds were so sexually innocent that they had trouble figuring out how to consummate a marriage. Their fumbling seems foreign to us, which is the point. But what's the excuse for none of the behavior in the movie ringing true to any human experience?
I'm talking about Florence refusing to tell her string quartet that she's engaged because she thinks they'll assume that her marriage will break up the group even though she's sure that it won't. I'm talking about her father, who feels the need to humiliate his son-in-law in tennis because that would prove that he's dominant over the boy in some way that being his employer does not already prove. I'm talking about a plot that literally would not exist if the characters had just engaged in one conversation that it seems like they would have had in the flashbacks, which frame them as a kind of open, reasonably affectionate, easy-going couple. But by all means, McEwan, change that whenever it suits you. 118. Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (J.A. Bayona)- I reject the whole premise of this deliberate lowering of stakes that never rises above obligation. To paraphrase a Griffin Newman joke, it makes Jurassic Park 4 look like Jurassic Park 1.
While we're here though: Can I have a movie about the guy who compiled the guest list for the dino auction? I want to see a guy looking at a spreadsheet--or is it an Access file?--and getting to, like, Mark Cuban and weighing the options: "He probably has the $27 million to spare on weaponized recombinant DNA. He would definitely appreciate the wow factor of having his own Indoraptor. But is he more of a neutral evil or a chaotic evil? I guess I'll reserve a seat for him and send the invitation. If he says no, then he says no. Okay, we're still in the C's..."
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117. Tag (Jeff Tomsic)- Tag is going to show up on a lot of "worst movies to ever win an Oscar" lists when Jeremy Renner wins an Oscar for it. 116. A-X-L (Oliver Daly)- This is a melodramatic movie about a weaponized robotic dog and the dirtbike kid who befriends it. Nothing wrong with that; a ten-year-old boy might like it, and there aren't enough movies specifically for that audience. But what's weird is how nonchalant the main character is about the whole thing. He immediately starts training this one-of-a-kind "war dog" android and imprints it with his DNA like this is a regular Tuesday. It's one of many things that is just kind of off in this picture.
This being a cheap genre film, you do get treated to those L.A. locations that have been around the block. I think the nondescript complex that houses Craine Industries is also the one from Sneakers and The Lawnmower Man. You know, Craine Industries, the company that is working on a $70 million prototype for the military but, because this is a cheap genre film, seems to have two employees.
I do think there's an interesting movie to be made about motocross. The movie kind of works when it's just about an underdog father and son fixing bikes, before it gets into all of the robot stuff. ADMIRABLE FAILURES
115. The Little Stranger (Lenny Abrahamson)- Dr. Faraday: "Wanna marry me?" Caroline: "Maybe. Do you actually love me?" Dr. Faraday: "Probably not." Caroline: "Hmm, I think I would marry you only as an excuse to go to London to get away from my dying mother and this crumbling house that probably has a ghost." Dr. Faraday: "Oh. Well, glad we're discussing it now because I want to marry you specifically to give me a reason to stay in this crumbling house that probably has a ghost. I'm drawn to it for some reason." Caroline: "Is it because you grew up poor?" Dr. Faraday: "Yes. All dry, cold British stuff ultimately comes down to that.
114. Damsel (David Zellner and Nathan Zellner)- Had I done my research, I wouldn't have watched this Zellner Brothers follow-up to Kumiko the Treasure Hunter, one of my least favorite films of that year. Like that movie, Damsel is a story of two halves, punctuated by a shocking moment that happens halfway through. Unfortunately nothing interesting happens before, and nothing interesting happens after. 113. Suspiria (Luca Guadignino)- This is a movie about duality that gets extended. English, German, and just a sprinkle of French. Six parts and an epilogue. A dual role (and a bit part). Personalities that clash until one pulls ahead. There are ideas here. But, especially considering I don't like the original Suspiria, I didn't find much to hold onto as a visceral experience. It's a long, foreboding sit. Guadagnino knows how to end his movies, but he still doesn't have much to say for the long middle parts. Shout-out to Amazon; I hope that, in some circuitous way, betting on maximalist Italians helps them to sell paper towels or whatever.
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112. Early Man (Nick Park)- I still love the Aardman aesthetic, but this material was thin. It's too juvenile for adults and too adult for juveniles. 111. Beirut (Brad Anderson)- The screenplay takes an hour to set up what should have taken twenty minutes. Some of that time is dedicated to developing Hamm's burnt-out alcoholic wheeler-dealer, but he's a character we've seen a hundred times before anyway. Some shorthand would have done some good. Once the plot gets going, it's serviceable, but I was bored by that point. Pike and Hamm need to fire their managers. 110. Upgrade (Leigh Whannell)- I'll admit that I owed the film more attention than I gave it since I was nodding off the whole time, but nothing in the gloomy programmer interested me enough to want to go back.
109. Red Sparrow (Francis Lawrence)- Good as a steamy blank check provocation from the director and star--not much else. I'm sure people will take down the easy target of Jen Larry's Russian accent, but they're ignoring just how much she tries in something like this. She is a gargantuan Movie Star who commands the screen, and a lot of that presence comes from the commitment of, say, learning how to ballet dance for what must have been months. She hasn't slept through a performance yet.
I didn't think this endless movie made much sense, especially near its conclusion. Perhaps it's my personal distaste for the way that spy movies introduce major plot points without so much as a music sting to guide you. As soon as anyone says the term "double agent," my brain turns off.
108. Hot Summer Nights (Elijah Bynum)- If you want to direct a music video, just direct a music video. I like all of the actors in this, but the filmmaker has nothing to say. 107. The First Purge (Gerard McMurray)- Even James DeMonaco seems to be admitting that the bloom is off the rose a bit, since he only wrote this entry in the franchise--and his direction is missed in the action scenes. Just enough of the political subtext remains, (The New Founding Fathers get funding from the NRA, and a character uses "pussy-grabbing" as an insult. Thankfully, a Black church getting shot up by men with Iron Cross flags happens off-screen.)
But there are more characters I didn't care about than characters I did care about. Since its prequel setting doesn't reveal much about the world that we didn't already know, the film needed to do a bit more with the survive-the-night scenario that we already saw in the second film.
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106. Vox Lux (Brady Corbet)- A movie that, up to and including the last minute, keeps promising something better than it actually is. Everyone here is making...choices… 105. Madeline’s Madeline (Josephine Decker)- I'm glad David Ehrlich liked this as much as he did. There are some intriguing ideas, most notably the suggestion that a mentally unstable person would be better suited for acting than a healthy person. What a debut for Helena Howard as well. But for it to add up to something by the end, I think I needed it to have more dramatic structure--the sort of fall of the Molly Parker character feels invented and insincere--or go all the way into experiment. 104. Shirkers (Sandi Tan)- One of those "you won't believe what happens next" documentaries that positions itself as an example of truth being stranger than fiction. But removed from a festival context, does it ever rise above its logline? Is it really even that odd?
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twenty: better
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Just in case you’re definitely new here and this just happened to show up on your timeline, welcome! This is my annual birthday tradition to recline, reminisce, reflect on what happened the past year for me. If you’re reading this, I just wanted to send off a really huge “thank you” for making it with me this year. We’ve been through quite hell and back, but we still triumph and yield on.
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Anyway, according to my birth certificate, I turn 20 on the 38th-minute of the ninth hour in the morning. It just feels so crazy to have come this far ‘cause a part feels half of my age while the other feels I’m twice of it. You know, it’s always definitely crazy up ahead and I really don’t know what to feel--I’m excited and very nervous all at the same time.
So to cap off my teenage years, here are 20 things I learned by the time I turn twenty—’cause it’s fun and sharing is caring.
People change.
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As that naïve little kid at thirteen, I often dreamed of the “ultimate best friend” like those things you see in movies, but I was dead wrong. The people you trust and depend on for so much can change in an instant (sometimes even overnight) and that’s what scares me the most. I guess that’s just life. We just need to accept it as it is.
People change people.
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Although people can change in a blink of an eye, I’m really thankful for those who stayed and had my back. These are the people who change you and have you through thick and thin. If you’re reading this, you’re one of those people and I’m really grateful to you. There’s always a difference between lasting relationships and “situation-ships”.
We can always change for the better.
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Change is something really hard to comprehend. As we go through many of these changes in life, always choose to change for the better—and not for the worse! These things may not be easy to grasp at the moment, but I know that if we only have the will to do so, can have cosmic implications and change the world forever.
It’s okay not to be okay.
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One of my favorite songs told me that “a hundred bad days made a hundred good stories” and held that lyric really close to my heart. Sometimes, we could and should feel sad—and it’s perfectly fine. When we’re not okay, we’re allowed to feel all the feels because that’s what makes us human. Bad days make us appreciate the good days we’ve had.
Take a break.
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With all the humdrum buzzing around us, we become constantly strained and drained from everything we’re doing. Sometimes it’s also good to chill for a bit, clear out your mind, and maybe take your time with how things are. Never push yourself to the extent of burning out; sometimes, all we need is a little timeout to get back to what we’re currently doing.
Rejections come with redirections.
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“You can never get everything you want.” That’s something my mom usually repeats to me when I was younger but understanding the real thing would really hurt—in fact, it’s soul-crushing. When rejections and failures come, take the time to cope with it but the thing is: never let it get the best of you. It’s just temporary. 
According to a Reddit thread that I’m reading, “Look at it as not gaining something rather than losing something. You have exactly everything you had before getting rejected, except maybe you learned a lesson. So actually maybe you're a little better off.”
Get disconnected.
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During quarantine, one of the best things I’ve ever done was to get disconnected. I don’t know about you, but I enjoyed having the internet cut off last May. I was able to connect with people I care about and really focus on things I don’t usually do or notice with the Internet around! (Plus, my devices get a timeout too.) I took on two social media breaks this year and I was surprisingly able to do it and if only I had not applied for an org, maybe it could’ve lasted for an entire month, haha! Social media breaks are amazing, take it from me. 
Cut off the drama and toxic people.
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Another thing I’ve learned to “cut off” this year was to cut off people and the drama that comes with it. This comes after realizing that people change...but not for the better. Sometimes people can cross the line, drain the energy out of you, and no matter how you try to keep up with them, the more they cost you everything. We try to, but it’s just better to let them go, don’t you think? Although, if it can’t be avoided, maybe just distance yourself and avoid feeding their negative vibes. It helps too. :)
Block off the noise.
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Another addition to the series of things I’ve been “distancing” with this year is learning how to block off the noise I hear from other people. There’s a fine line between criticism and just being mean. I’m also learning how to not need validation from people I don’t really care about. It reminds me of the time when I was in a church camp where I need to listen to the “right voices” around me and not entertaining them all so much.
Learn to be sensitive.
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One of the things I really loved trying to learn this year is how to read the room. There’s this Korean concept of Nunchi to mean a heightened sense of social awareness. Sometimes, we can learn a lot by testing the waters and observing our surroundings before we go and dive in headfirst. In a sense, privilege checks are important too! Let’s not discredit other people’s plight and let’s learn to recognize how things work differently for other people. It’s basically empathy.
Be accountable.
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Thirteenth lesson. One of my favorite poems tells us that “we are masters of our own fates and captains of our own souls” which sometimes translates to life being a series of choices that we can take. I’ve been trying to learn to not point the fingers when mishaps occur but rather reflect on how we might contribute to such mistakes. Maybe then, instead of sulking on the blame, it’s also our responsibility to turn things around for the better too.
Seasons come.
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Our life comes in seasons according to Ecclesiastes 3. I learned that God—the unchanging God—makes the seasons of our life. Maybe sometimes we need to wait for that season or maybe work very hard for that season to harvest on time. With these seasons, may we grow and become who we are with the help of our ever-faithful God. :) 
Be grateful for your blessings.
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A Harvard study once published that being thankful makes us happier and I’m really thankful for the Lord for giving such a wonderful life. An amazing family and the best set of friends along the way. There’s nothing more than I could ask for so if you’ve made it here, I just really am thankful for you as I consider you one of the blessings in my life.
Speak up.
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With all the injustices happening around us, it’s no debate that we should always speak up. Now is not the time to remain silent. Hold the line and speak up. #MagparehistroKa! Let this quote from Desmond Tutu suffice: “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.”
Trust the process.
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If there’s something that resonated with me this year is to trust the process. People might savor the destination or the end product of everything, but no one really cared so much about the process: the grit, the toil, the work to make that happen. Maybe for the years to come, I’d learn to appreciate the chase—never the capture—in the things that happen around me.
Go for the long-term.
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In one of the classes I’m in last semester, there was one thing that stuck to me: always choose the long-term over the short-term. Whenever it’s a big or small decision, it’s important that we consider its effects not only now but years later. Choosing the long-term implies that you’re not settling for a band-aid solution or something that wouldn’t last for long. There’s so much more for you: never settle for the short-term but always the long-term.
Enjoy your teenage years.
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As I write this, I bid goodbye to my teenage years and welcome a new decade in my life. Although this time it would be an entirely new experience, I’m thankful for the growth and change I’ve gone through these past ten years. I’ve gone through hell and high water (and I’m sure there are more) but we made it alive, still—that’s what matters. Definitely excited and thankful for all these years. :)
Never lose yourself.
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There’s this quote from Taylor Swift I’ve always loved. She said, “I’ll never change, but I’ll never stay the same either.” I’m wishing the same for myself as I turn twenty: that I would love every inch of me and my body, that I would find myself as to where I’m going, that I would enjoy every moment of my life, that I would always continue to grow in the years to come, but not really losing that same old little Gabrielle you used to know. I’m not really selfish or selfless; I just consider myself less. But I hope that this time around, I’d come to choose myself. 
If you’re ever reading this, thanks for making it this far. Every birthday is special to me because it’s a new start, a new set of experiences and adventures, and just a whole new world that’s out there. Even though we’re not exactly at the best time to celebrate, my birthday even became more special: it’s the end of a decade and a start of an age. Now that I’m twenty: I’m thankful for my friends and family, wishing for emotional stability, hoping the twenties will be crazy, and in the way, I hope I don’t lose me. Hope you had a great time as much as I do.
Thank you so much for Taylor Swift for inspiring me to pen this, hehe. Forever muse. [Inspired by this article hehe: Taylor Swift on 30 Things She Learned Before Her 30th Birthday - Taylor Swift Turns 30]
Here’s my birthday playlist:  https://open.spotify.com/playlist/613VLMBUfgyhJz1g7yBNAM?si=4Uccel1rTw-TW9c3pdeWwA
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Here’s to a terrific twenties.   
-Gab
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30 Children of Anti-Vaxxers Tell Their Stories
At this point, it’s common knowledge that vaccines haven’t been linked with autism. Doctors have checked and checked again, but nothing credible has ever come up.
Still, there are people who identify as ‘anti-vaxxers’ and decline to vaccinate their children. Now, in a packed Reddit thread, those peoples’ children have a few things to say about it.
Check out stories from 30 children of anti-vaxxers, who each feel quite different from their parents!
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One redditor always thought they had been vaccinated—until their employer discovered otherwise.
I had an idea they were anti-vaxxers, but it was never confirmed.
They mentioned my younger brother wasn’t [vaccinated] but it was “justified” because we were living in the mountains of Montana and it was too far a drive to the Doctor.
I assumed I had been as I was born in civilization and we didn’t move to the hills until I was 3.
We were homeschooled, my older brother had trouble at college with his immunizations and Mom said all the paperwork was lost when they moved.
I was 30 years old and I was offered a job at a university helping train doctors, started getting paperwork asking for proof of vaccinations, I just said test me and give me whatever I need.
But I know I’ve had Chicken Pox.
Turns out I had nothing, no antibodies and I’d never had Chicken Pox either (Mom said I had). Lit up both arms with a run of shots over the next 3 months.
Never forgot telling my boyfriend and he yelled “You’ve been to Mexico, TWICE, and Europe. Oh my god.”
Called my mom and said “Hey I’m getting a job and they say I’ve never been vaccinated. Was I?”
She got very defensive and said no, she hated making us cry as babies and they’re bad for little kids.
Also, did I really need them? She then tried to talk me out of them.
Since I know how they work I felt very okay letting her know I’d already started the process.
I’m so thankful for all of you protecting me until I found out. –sirenssong
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This redditor, unfortunately, suffered the consequences of a disease for which a vaccine exists.
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Mom got rubella when pregnant with me. As a result, I was born severely deaf so there ya go.
Life’s not the best. –strangeunluckyfetus
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This person’s parent had to see them with measles to understand the importance of vaccination.
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I got measles, as a 22-year-old, in my first week of moving to London.
I’d previously lived up north, and on my first day of working immediately after finishing uni, I began feeling lethargic. By the second day, I felt pretty bad but soldiered on.
Third day, I began taking (fairly effective) painkillers for the remainder of the week. Saturday, attended a local fair, after taking my morning painkiller.
Had a bottle of beer with my dad and felt very strange afterward, almost floaty but in a kinda bad way.
Decided to stop taking the painkillers, woke up with a raging fever and intense coughing on Sunday.
Hobbled out of bed, feeling dizzy and horrible and noticed in the mirror of the bathroom that I looked like an Oompa Loompa (red splotchy rash all over).
My step mum had been feeling similar symptoms that week, she decided to call an ambulance, who checked both of our conditions and turned out I had a raging (41c) fever and low oxygen.
They took me to A&E and I was given fluids via a drip.
Later, my step mum came in and was given the same treatment; the doctor on call said it’d probably be a general viral infection.
At home, took the week off work and recovered. Step mum took off two weeks. She went back to A&E a couple of days after; the doctor on duty immediately spotted that it was measles.
Thing is, in England if you get it, an organization called Public Health England has to be legally informed by your doctor, which informs your workplace about your illness.
Cue an embarrassing email being sent by your new boss to everyone in your company before you’ve even met most of your colleagues.
Took a while to recover. In a week I felt well enough to be out and about. You’re only infectious when you have the rash (and a little before and after).
I still felt out of whack for several weeks. This happened in July, and I didn’t feel quite fully recovered until October or so.
Obviously, neither myself or my step mum had been vaccinated with the MMR. My dad and sisters had had it as children. We immediately got both jabs, after we were told how painful mumps could be.
Strongly recommend everyone gets the MMR vaccine. It’s straightforward and time-honored.
Measles is unpleasant and can cause complications in adults. My intense coughing almost certainly caused some lung damage, and my hair just kind of… fell out in the months following.
Save yourselves!
My graduation ceremony was a couple of weeks after this. My actual mum saw how ill measles had left me and changed her mind on vaccinations.
Shame it had to be that way, though. –AdamJay26
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It’s a good thing medical professionals are often ready to help kids of anti-vaxxers, even later in life than usual.
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My parents chose not to vaccinate my sister and me. They have some… unique ideas about science and medicine.
We were also homeschooled if that clarifies anything.
We both wound up volunteering at hospitals at different points in our lives, so we had to get caught up anyway. For me, it was at age 20, for an internship at a mental health facility.
It was a little awkward explaining to the nurse why I had nothing on my record, but she was understanding overall.
My big concern now is what will happen when I get around to having children of my own in a few years.
I think they’ll see me as a bad mother if I get them vaccinated, so I’m anticipating some fireworks. –Arihagne
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This redditor’s struggle wasn’t for their own vaccination, but their parents’.
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I was vaccinated when I was a baby as part of a mandatory vaccination program in the Soviet Union, but my parents wouldn’t vaccinate/get boosters after we moved to the States.
My family is pathologically distrustful of doctors and medication of any kind and prefers homeopathy and alternative medicines.
I didn’t realize I wasn’t fully vaccinated until I went in for a physical in college.
Up till then, I’d just assumed I’d been fully vaccinated in Russia (Because that’s what my parents told me).
I got all my shots up to date and I just never mentioned it to my parents.
Their anti-medicine stance has softened as they age, but I generally avoid the topic because I can’t handle their bullshit and it never goes anywhere anyway.
That said, I had a baby this past December in the middle of a really bad flu season and I told my parents that they weren’t allowed to see the baby until they could produce proof of a flu shot (this is absolutely something they’d lie about, so yes, I demanded written proof).
They both got one as soon as they realized I was serious. –Kookalka
Next up, another redditor gave their parent the same choice…and the answer wasn’t so peaceful.
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This person’s mother had a different answer to the ‘get vaccinated for my baby’ ultimatum.
I said the same thing, and my mum opted not to see the baby for 3 months. Bizarre life choices.
Ultimately she hasn’t had a lot to do with raising her grandson, which might be for the best.
To her credit, she is honest. –actuallyarobot2
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When in doubt, go with science.
I was not vaccinated as a child because my mother thought vaccines were evil, unchristian, and other ridiculous things.
This was in the early ’80s before all the autism BS, but she had her own unique theories. I got myself vaccinated when I went to university.
My mother was disappointed and wanted to write a letter to the school explaining her religious views on vaccines (as she had done for years to keep me exempt), but I decided to go with science. –squeezymarmite
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Even a medical degree didn’t change this redditor’s anti-vaxxer parents.
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I didn’t receive any vaccinations through childhood due to my parents’ beliefs.
Once I got to college, I did my own research on them, learned the actual science behind them, and got all vaccinations.
I then went to medical school, and yet they still don’t believe me and my medical degree regarding vaccinations.
Holidays can get awkward. –guardian528
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Starting college without your vaccines adds an extra few hurdles.
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When I was 19, I had to get some vaccines in order to start college, and my mom was NOT helpful.
First, she tried to get me exempt from the vaccines, and when that didn’t work, she sent me into the clinic (alone) with completely false/outdated info.
I was super embarrassed when the nurses looked at my notes and told me that none of it was correct.
But luckily they helped me figure out what I needed and didn’t shame me too much for not having a previous vaccination record. A couple years later I went back in to get the rest of the recommended vaccines.
My sister had her first kid (and the first grandbaby) last year, and our mom has been pushing her not to vaccinate. Fortunately, my sister has chosen to vaccinate.
She still is trying to get us to watch a documentary about it to change our minds.
Now all us kids just don’t talk to our mom about vaccines because it always turns into an argument. –itsshamefulreally
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And the process of applying to college is hard enough without parents interfering.
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[My mom] sabotaged me getting into the college I wanted simply because they did not accept religious exemptions and she couldn’t trick any doctors into signing a health exemption.
I wanted to go do it myself, but they were through accepting applications by then, and I was desperate to go to some college, so I found a different one. –eXpialidocious_
On the next page, one child of the anti-vaxxers has a response to an anti-vaccination “documentary” that made the rounds a few years ago.
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There’s an anti-vaccination film called ‘Vaxxed’ (made by an ex-doctor whose license was revoked), and these redditors are NOT about it.
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We had our first child at the very beginning of the year and had to tell my father that since he won’t get vaccinated, he won’t be able to see his grandbaby until the baby gets their shots.
The baby had their first round of shots a few months ago, and my father can now visit. It pained me to do that, and I know it pained him, but I was not putting my child at risk for his choice.
This last weekend we visited my father. At the end of the visit, he handed me Vaxxed.
He knows our feelings on the matter – preventable diseases should be prevented, herd immunity protects those most at risk, autism is not caused by vaccines.
It’s just… disrespectful.
I know he thinks he’s trying to protect his grandson from harm, but it’s coming from the completely wrong direction, and no one can seem to change his opinion on the matter. –humplick
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More often than not, anti-vaxxer parents are trying to protect their kids—until they realize where the real danger is.
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My mum didn’t get the measles vaccination because at the time she thought it caused autism; she was kinda one of the first anti-vaxxers, wrote to papers about it everything.
Anyway, a girl in our social group caught meningitis and died, basically freakishly uncommon.
After that, mum was really scared the same thing could happen to me with any disease and basically begged me to get up to date with my shots.
I guess the main takeaway is that when my mum was younger and inexperienced, she thought everything was a danger; she honestly thought she was doing best by me, I guess. –bellend_bellend
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This redditor’s mother eventually turned it around herself!
My parents didn’t give us the whooping cough vaccine under the advisement of our pediatrician.
I actually didn’t know this until last year, so I went and got vaccinated on my mom’s recommendation. She wrote my siblings and me the following email to bring it up:
As a parent, you are bound to make many mistakes.
For me, not having the advantage of younger siblings, the internet, or (initially) many friends with babies, I think I learned to parent on the fly.
At the time, there seemed to be a compelling reason not to include the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine along with whatever else was the recommended protocol for infants under the age of one year.
I think we had read that it was one vaccine too many to be included in the series, and our first pediatrician felt strongly that it might have harmful side effects.
Gramps had told me that he remembered having whooping cough as a child, and although it was harrowing, he survived.
Draw your own conclusions here!
However, I would now hope that you all might consider following up with your doctors to see if you should be vaccinated now as adults.
Out of guilt, I’d be willing to sweeten the deal by paying for whatever isn’t covered by your healthcare. (Tetanus shots, flu shots, etc. aren’t a bad idea either, although you’re on your own there!)
Also, I want to apologize to [Sister], [Sister] and [Brother] for the time we went to the geneticist who took punch core samples of your skin for testing.
We had no idea–and there’s no excuse for our ignorance–that it would be a process painfully administered without anesthesia. I feel traumatized to this day, so I can’t imagine how awful it was for you.
I was reminded of those procedures recently when I heard Nobel Prize-winning geneticist, George Church tell his story on The Moth: My Life as a Guinea Pig.
I love you all dearly!
So, I didn’t get them on my own in contradiction to my parents’ decisions, but at their request, after they realized they had made a mistake. –affixqc
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Don’t be afraid to ask your doctor about concerns—they’ve done this many times before.
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When my daughter was born, we were terrified of the mercury. We asked a doctor, who explained everything to us clearly.
The poor doc had that look though— “Oh shit, not this again”… –cat_of_danzig
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In fact, this redditor got an idea of how much doctors have to explain the necessity of vaccinations.
When we had our first kid, we were shopping around for a pediatrician, and I was astounded how many doctors specifically told us they would only be our general doc if the children were vaccinated.
I had no idea how often they must have that conversation.
Apparently, in some places, the percent of anti-vaxxer parents is as high as 10%.
The number of parents who are reluctant to give their kids vaccines can be as high as 25%. –dsf900
Keep reading for a crazy story of how far one parent went to prevent their child from receiving certain types of medical attention.
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Sometimes understanding takes a while, and now this redditor needs all their shots together.
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My parents were very against it.
Never particularly vocal about it, but growing up, my schools would organize mass vaccinations for all the kids (MMR, etc.) and I was always mysteriously off sick those days.
My school never noticed, and I was always pretty happy as I have a terrible phobia of needles and never really understood the health implications.
I’ve never had any health problems, but I’ve had partners weirded out by it. I was dating one guy who didn’t want to go near me once he found out I hadn’t had any vaccinations. That felt odd.
Last year there was a measles outbreak at my university, and I was very nervous about it.
Called my parents for advice and their response? “Go get the vaccine.”
Classic.
I’m guessing their opinions have changed over the years, but they’re too proud to say outright that maybe they were wrong and their children’s health could now be at risk.
About time I got the rest of them done! –1742587
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This redditor’s mother was not only anti-vaccination, but anti-doctor altogether. It resulted in a medical emergency.
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My mother is just plain crazy when it comes to medical topics, and thinks that hospitals and doctors only want your money.
So I was never vaccinated. For a little insight into the craziness, when I was 14, I was a breath away from dying from a burst appendix.
My mother refused to take me to the hospital despite the pain.
It was only when I started urinating blood that my father said he was taking me to the hospital. I was in and out of consciousness while he carried me to the car.
My mom physically fought him as he carried me.
I was medevaced to a larger hospital and had emergency surgery. The doctor told me in recovery that the infection was spreading to other organs, and my body was starting to shut down.
If it had been a couple of hours or more, it would have been too late.
Fast forward four years later when I joined the Army…the gauntlet of shots I received to get all the vaccinations was something else.
I literally walked almost naked down a row with multiple medical staff on each side poking me with needles everywhere as I was told to keep walking forward and not stop.
I am 35 now and feel just as healthy now as I did as a kid.
Never had any other issues except for a hernia from strenuous exercise. Vaccinations do more good than harm. –Kukulcan83
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Lack of vaccination lead to a terrible bout of whooping cough for this redditor—and four siblings!
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My parents used to not vaccinate me or any of my four siblings, but when I was like three years old me, and my siblings all came down with whooping cough.
It scarred my lungs, and I have yellow stains on my teeth because the high fevers cooked my adult teeth inside my head. My parents vaccinated us after that.
I am not and have never been mad or spiteful toward my parents for not vaccinating me.
They were just naive, and doing what they thought was best for my siblings and me. –Volcano_gurl
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Herd immunity is the key to ridding ourselves of dangerous contagious diseases.
What people don’t understand about vaccination is it isn’t just there to protect the vaccinated.
It protects the “herd” (herd immunity); the people who can’t be vaccinated for whatever reason.
This is part of the reason being vaccinated if you’re able to be is so important. You’re not only protecting yourself.
You’re protecting those around you whose immune systems aren’t up to it and could be hugely negatively impacted by their fellow neighbors refusing for their own uneducated reasons. –hihelloneighboroonie
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This child of anti-vaxxers has plenty of reason to discontinue tradition.
My dad was the anti-vaxxer, my mom was mostly ambivalent. Neither my brother or I were vaccinated at birth, and I didn’t get my shots until I turned 19.
My brother had to get a tetanus shot once when he was six, due to an injury. It burned my dad up for a while.
His reasoning was typical: he believed that the mercury in the vaccines would cause us to somehow develop autism.
My parents were also pretty hippy-dippy compared to most baby boomers, so they were concerned about chemicals and all that as well.
Jokes on them, though, because both my brother and I have [Aspergers] regardless of being unvaccinated.
It was always a pain in the ass whenever we had to do school-related paperwork or field trip stuff because my parents would have to produce a letter stating that it was their “religious right” to keep us “untainted” by vaccination (we were never a religious family).
I wasn’t a super sickly child (with a few exceptions), but my younger brother suffered a lot.
He got pneumonia when he was little, like 3-4. They had to keep him in the hospital and I remember my dad taking care of me at home while my mom stayed in the room with my brother.
About a year or two after that he got walking pneumonia and again was hospitalized.
He’s also allergic to damn near everything and has bad asthma now. He has epilepsy, and we both have chronic migraines.
I never had anything seriously life-threatening in terms of illness, but there was a nearly yearlong period where I had strep throat almost every other week.
I should have had my tonsils out (they wanted to intubate me at one point but for whatever reason changed their minds?), but my dad threw a fit about having any surgeries performed.
I also developed shingles when I was 13, which my father initially treated as poison ivy and left mostly untreated until my mother intervened.
I still have little to no feeling on swatches of the left side of my body from the blister scars. That sucked.
I did, however, have to get my vaccinations when I turned 18 and enrolled in college. He was not pleased about that, and actually, we didn’t talk for almost a year because of my decision to get vaccinated.
Eventually, we worked things out, but it took a while. I’ll be vaccinating any children I may have in the future, though.
Tl;dr: wasn’t vaccinated until I chose to do so myself as a legal adult bc parents were afraid of autism.
My brother and I were sick a lot as a kid, with some really preventable and stupid illnesses. I plan on vaccinating any children I have. –Larktoothe
Keep reading to see how one member of Reddit shut down their family’s objections like a boss!
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Here’s how one redditor put it to their anti-vaxxer grandpa:
My grandpa is convinced on the whole vaccines cause autism thing.
When I was pregnant with my first kid, he harped on it so much until I finally said, “it doesn’t cause autism, but even if it did I would still do it. I’d rather have an autistic kid than a dead one.”
Shut him up fairly well. –HCGB
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This child of anti-vaxxers changed their mind about it after seeing the effects first-hand.
My mom is against vaccines, and I grew up in a very anti-vaccine school and was treated by homeopathic and holistic doctors.
I used to believe all that. Then I started med school and changed my mind to “vaccines aren’t bad, but they aren’t necessary.”
Then I did a rotation at a pediatric hospital in the neurological area. That was a huge eye opener!! Meningitis is an awful disease, and anti-vaxxers never talk about it.
The children I saw were the ones that survived and had brain damage afterward.
It was awful to see kids that could have had a perfectly normal life to end up like that. –anesthesiagirl
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This redditor got their MMR vaccine in the nick of time.
My parents were against the MMR vaccination as my older brother was diagnosed with Aspergers shortly after he received it.
I’m the youngest child and so never got the jab, even though mumps actually caused my mum to go half deaf as a teenager.
It always made me uncomfortable knowing I wasn’t protected and I was of a strong mind to do it eventually, but of course it’s hard going against your parents’ beliefs when they felt so strongly at what had happened to them.
To me it felt like a form of denial of the autism in the family, which they see as much worse than it is—my brother is an amazing guy, and they should give him more credit.
Before you go to Uni you have to get a meningitis jab; while I was at the doctor’s, the doctor suggested giving me the MMR.
I told her my parents were against it and she said she’d give it to me now and then in a few months I could tell them and prove that I was absolutely fine. So I did that.
A few months after receiving the full vaccination, my flatmate and close friend got diagnosed with rubella.
It spread all over her body causing glandular and scarlet fever, she spent over a month in the hospital and was in a fatal position.
If I hadn’t done it at that moment, I could’ve been in serious trouble. And rubella isn’t common here at all.
So if in doubt about going behind their backs, do it for yourself and your own safety, and that’s the only excuse you need. –lazyswayz
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When the HPV vaccine came out, there was a bunch of stories on the news about girls having poor reactions to it, getting seizures, comas.
Most of it nonsense, but my mother saw the news stories and chose not to get me vaccinated. But then, right after college I had a brief bout of thyroid cancer and decided I would take every precaution I could to not get more cancer.
So I got the shots. I think at the time I didn’t tell my mom, but afterward, it came up.
She was more huffy than anything else, and defended her thoughts at the time, but accepted my decision and reasoning. –xrf_rcc
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This redditor caught three diseases that could have been prevented with one shot.
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My parents never explicitly said they were anti-vaccine to me, but I was never vaccinated as a child.
I actually caught Measles, Mumps, and Rubella on separate occasions, luckily diagnosed quickly enough to not cause any major health implications long term, but still a pretty miserable experience each time.
So yeah, thanks for that. –otto82
Finally, read up on the next page about one redditor’s reliance on ‘herd immunity’ (and family troubles because of it), plus an Autistic person’s response to anti-vaxxer concerns.
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One redditor can’t even visit the in-laws.
I am immunosuppressed due to transplant, and my husband’s side of the family are anti-vaxxers.
I don’t think they believe I’m serious about not attending family gatherings ever again.
I know I can bump into a nonvaccinated person by just being out in public, but if I can avoid a known risk, I’m going to do it.
Thank you, everyone, who’s had their shots for helping keep me alive and healthy!! –auntiepink
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Tragedy turned this redditor’s mom into an anti-vaxxer.
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My story is a bit complex. My mother is an avid anti-vaxxer, but didn’t become that way until after my late sister died.
She blamed the vaccines she got a few weeks before her death (she was 3 months old) for it, instead of the SIDS tragedy it was.
My next youngest sibling was ‘allergic’ to eggs, and so didn’t get any vaccines until she was 8, after my parents were divorced and we had to move to a new state with new laws.
My two youngest siblings have never been vaccinated against anything. –MomentoMoriBenn
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Even if vaccinations and autism were linked (they aren’t), autistic people are here to tell us it’s not the worst thing that could happen.
As an autistic person here as well it hurts to know that so many parents think it’s the worst possible thing that could happen to their child.
I would think dying of measles ranks a bit higher on that scale. –el1414
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This redditor had a scare after a childhood of anti-vaccination rhetoric.
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My mom had a child who became brain damaged during birth due to a hole in the umbilical cord.
She became convinced that there was some malpractice cover-up and gradually that all of medicine is one big conspiracy.
I stopped getting vaccines around 10 due to a mysterious ailment I had that turned out to be recurrent benign positional paroxysmal vertigo.
For some reason, doctors couldn’t figure it out and thought I had brain cancer.
My mom became convinced it was vaccine-related, and claimed she “traced my vaccine” and it was a “bad batch” that had killed a boy who got it.
I stopped getting vaccines and turned in forms to school every year claiming “personal objection” exemption from all vaccines from that point on.
I ended up deciding to become a biomedical scientist and enrolled in a Ph.D. program.
The Hep B vaccine was recommended for all students, and I received the first course of the vaccine…and then mentioned it to my mom.
She FLIPPED OUT.
She told me she couldn’t believe I would do something so stupid, and that there were so many bad reactions I could have and they didn’t all happen immediately.
I started reading horror stories online about bad Hep B shot reactions. And I panicked.
I really thought I may have done something really stupid.
This was pretty ironic since I was in a science Ph.D. program, but I was still making sense of what part of my childhood brainwashing was true and still coming to my own belief system.
In my hesitation/uncertainty, I failed to get the next dose of the Hep B shot in the required time window. I did intend to get it, but I forgot about it in the craziness of grad school.
Fast forward to my 3rd year; I was studying liver cancer and working with a liver cancer cell line called Hep3B.
I was reading the literature and stumbled on a paper that said that scientists had found that Hep3B cells are infected…with LIVE HEPATITIS B VIRUS.
That was really terrifying because I had been working with them for months and definitely had not taken the precautions you are supposed would take if you are working with active human pathogens.
The fact that I passed up a free HepB shot and could have stupidly contracted HepB really crystallized the importance of vaccines for me that day.
I didn’t ever have obvious symptoms of HepB, but nonetheless, I worried that I might have it up until I got pregnant with my daughter and tested negative during the prenatal tests.
Needless to say, my daughter has gotten 100% of her vaccines and will continue to. I chose for her a pediatrician who refuses to see patients who don’t get all of their vaccines on schedule.
I don’t even want to share a waiting room with unvaxxed kids. –the_real_dairy_queen
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Some parents have selective hearing when it comes to vaccines.
My mum was completely against vaccinations.
I only got the MMR by mistake because they didn’t ask the parents – just lined us up outside the library and we went in one by one.
She was furious when I told her what had happened.
I caught whooping cough at age 34, and it was hell.
My partner hates her for putting me through that. I’ve since had a few vaccinations for travel, as has my younger sister.
Neither of us would ever tell our mother that we have had them though.
There was a slight hint a few years back, and she was already through the roof before my sister corrected herself and lied to cover the mention.
We will never tell her. –realbasilisk
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30 Children of Anti-Vaxxers Tell Their Stories
At this point, it’s common knowledge that vaccines haven’t been linked with autism. Doctors have checked and checked again, but nothing credible has ever come up.
Still, there are people who identify as ‘anti-vaxxers’ and decline to vaccinate their children. Now, in a packed Reddit thread, those peoples’ children have a few things to say about it.
Check out stories from 30 children of anti-vaxxers, who each feel quite different from their parents!
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One redditor always thought they had been vaccinated—until their employer discovered otherwise.
I had an idea they were anti-vaxxers, but it was never confirmed.
They mentioned my younger brother wasn’t [vaccinated] but it was “justified” because we were living in the mountains of Montana and it was too far a drive to the Doctor.
I assumed I had been as I was born in civilization and we didn’t move to the hills until I was 3.
We were homeschooled, my older brother had trouble at college with his immunizations and Mom said all the paperwork was lost when they moved.
I was 30 years old and I was offered a job at a university helping train doctors, started getting paperwork asking for proof of vaccinations, I just said test me and give me whatever I need.
But I know I’ve had Chicken Pox.
Turns out I had nothing, no antibodies and I’d never had Chicken Pox either (Mom said I had). Lit up both arms with a run of shots over the next 3 months.
Never forgot telling my boyfriend and he yelled “You’ve been to Mexico, TWICE, and Europe. Oh my god.”
Called my mom and said “Hey I’m getting a job and they say I’ve never been vaccinated. Was I?”
She got very defensive and said no, she hated making us cry as babies and they’re bad for little kids.
Also, did I really need them? She then tried to talk me out of them.
Since I know how they work I felt very okay letting her know I’d already started the process.
I’m so thankful for all of you protecting me until I found out. –sirenssong
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This redditor, unfortunately, suffered the consequences of a disease for which a vaccine exists.
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Mom got rubella when pregnant with me. As a result, I was born severely deaf so there ya go.
Life’s not the best. –strangeunluckyfetus
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This person’s parent had to see them with measles to understand the importance of vaccination.
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I got measles, as a 22-year-old, in my first week of moving to London.
I’d previously lived up north, and on my first day of working immediately after finishing uni, I began feeling lethargic. By the second day, I felt pretty bad but soldiered on.
Third day, I began taking (fairly effective) painkillers for the remainder of the week. Saturday, attended a local fair, after taking my morning painkiller.
Had a bottle of beer with my dad and felt very strange afterward, almost floaty but in a kinda bad way.
Decided to stop taking the painkillers, woke up with a raging fever and intense coughing on Sunday.
Hobbled out of bed, feeling dizzy and horrible and noticed in the mirror of the bathroom that I looked like an Oompa Loompa (red splotchy rash all over).
My step mum had been feeling similar symptoms that week, she decided to call an ambulance, who checked both of our conditions and turned out I had a raging (41c) fever and low oxygen.
They took me to A&E and I was given fluids via a drip.
Later, my step mum came in and was given the same treatment; the doctor on call said it’d probably be a general viral infection.
At home, took the week off work and recovered. Step mum took off two weeks. She went back to A&E a couple of days after; the doctor on duty immediately spotted that it was measles.
Thing is, in England if you get it, an organization called Public Health England has to be legally informed by your doctor, which informs your workplace about your illness.
Cue an embarrassing email being sent by your new boss to everyone in your company before you’ve even met most of your colleagues.
Took a while to recover. In a week I felt well enough to be out and about. You’re only infectious when you have the rash (and a little before and after).
I still felt out of whack for several weeks. This happened in July, and I didn’t feel quite fully recovered until October or so.
Obviously, neither myself or my step mum had been vaccinated with the MMR. My dad and sisters had had it as children. We immediately got both jabs, after we were told how painful mumps could be.
Strongly recommend everyone gets the MMR vaccine. It’s straightforward and time-honored.
Measles is unpleasant and can cause complications in adults. My intense coughing almost certainly caused some lung damage, and my hair just kind of… fell out in the months following.
Save yourselves!
My graduation ceremony was a couple of weeks after this. My actual mum saw how ill measles had left me and changed her mind on vaccinations.
Shame it had to be that way, though. –AdamJay26
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It’s a good thing medical professionals are often ready to help kids of anti-vaxxers, even later in life than usual.
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My parents chose not to vaccinate my sister and me. They have some… unique ideas about science and medicine.
We were also homeschooled if that clarifies anything.
We both wound up volunteering at hospitals at different points in our lives, so we had to get caught up anyway. For me, it was at age 20, for an internship at a mental health facility.
It was a little awkward explaining to the nurse why I had nothing on my record, but she was understanding overall.
My big concern now is what will happen when I get around to having children of my own in a few years.
I think they’ll see me as a bad mother if I get them vaccinated, so I’m anticipating some fireworks. –Arihagne
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This redditor’s struggle wasn’t for their own vaccination, but their parents’.
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I was vaccinated when I was a baby as part of a mandatory vaccination program in the Soviet Union, but my parents wouldn’t vaccinate/get boosters after we moved to the States.
My family is pathologically distrustful of doctors and medication of any kind and prefers homeopathy and alternative medicines.
I didn’t realize I wasn’t fully vaccinated until I went in for a physical in college.
Up till then, I’d just assumed I’d been fully vaccinated in Russia (Because that’s what my parents told me).
I got all my shots up to date and I just never mentioned it to my parents.
Their anti-medicine stance has softened as they age, but I generally avoid the topic because I can’t handle their bullshit and it never goes anywhere anyway.
That said, I had a baby this past December in the middle of a really bad flu season and I told my parents that they weren’t allowed to see the baby until they could produce proof of a flu shot (this is absolutely something they’d lie about, so yes, I demanded written proof).
They both got one as soon as they realized I was serious. –Kookalka
Next up, another redditor gave their parent the same choice…and the answer wasn’t so peaceful.
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This person’s mother had a different answer to the ‘get vaccinated for my baby’ ultimatum.
I said the same thing, and my mum opted not to see the baby for 3 months. Bizarre life choices.
Ultimately she hasn’t had a lot to do with raising her grandson, which might be for the best.
To her credit, she is honest. –actuallyarobot2
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When in doubt, go with science.
I was not vaccinated as a child because my mother thought vaccines were evil, unchristian, and other ridiculous things.
This was in the early ’80s before all the autism BS, but she had her own unique theories. I got myself vaccinated when I went to university.
My mother was disappointed and wanted to write a letter to the school explaining her religious views on vaccines (as she had done for years to keep me exempt), but I decided to go with science. –squeezymarmite
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Even a medical degree didn’t change this redditor’s anti-vaxxer parents.
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I didn’t receive any vaccinations through childhood due to my parents’ beliefs.
Once I got to college, I did my own research on them, learned the actual science behind them, and got all vaccinations.
I then went to medical school, and yet they still don’t believe me and my medical degree regarding vaccinations.
Holidays can get awkward. –guardian528
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Starting college without your vaccines adds an extra few hurdles.
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When I was 19, I had to get some vaccines in order to start college, and my mom was NOT helpful.
First, she tried to get me exempt from the vaccines, and when that didn’t work, she sent me into the clinic (alone) with completely false/outdated info.
I was super embarrassed when the nurses looked at my notes and told me that none of it was correct.
But luckily they helped me figure out what I needed and didn’t shame me too much for not having a previous vaccination record. A couple years later I went back in to get the rest of the recommended vaccines.
My sister had her first kid (and the first grandbaby) last year, and our mom has been pushing her not to vaccinate. Fortunately, my sister has chosen to vaccinate.
She still is trying to get us to watch a documentary about it to change our minds.
Now all us kids just don’t talk to our mom about vaccines because it always turns into an argument. –itsshamefulreally
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And the process of applying to college is hard enough without parents interfering.
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[My mom] sabotaged me getting into the college I wanted simply because they did not accept religious exemptions and she couldn’t trick any doctors into signing a health exemption.
I wanted to go do it myself, but they were through accepting applications by then, and I was desperate to go to some college, so I found a different one. –eXpialidocious_
On the next page, one child of the anti-vaxxers has a response to an anti-vaccination “documentary” that made the rounds a few years ago.
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There’s an anti-vaccination film called ‘Vaxxed’ (made by an ex-doctor whose license was revoked), and these redditors are NOT about it.
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We had our first child at the very beginning of the year and had to tell my father that since he won’t get vaccinated, he won’t be able to see his grandbaby until the baby gets their shots.
The baby had their first round of shots a few months ago, and my father can now visit. It pained me to do that, and I know it pained him, but I was not putting my child at risk for his choice.
This last weekend we visited my father. At the end of the visit, he handed me Vaxxed.
He knows our feelings on the matter – preventable diseases should be prevented, herd immunity protects those most at risk, autism is not caused by vaccines.
It’s just… disrespectful.
I know he thinks he’s trying to protect his grandson from harm, but it’s coming from the completely wrong direction, and no one can seem to change his opinion on the matter. –humplick
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More often than not, anti-vaxxer parents are trying to protect their kids—until they realize where the real danger is.
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My mum didn’t get the measles vaccination because at the time she thought it caused autism; she was kinda one of the first anti-vaxxers, wrote to papers about it everything.
Anyway, a girl in our social group caught meningitis and died, basically freakishly uncommon.
After that, mum was really scared the same thing could happen to me with any disease and basically begged me to get up to date with my shots.
I guess the main takeaway is that when my mum was younger and inexperienced, she thought everything was a danger; she honestly thought she was doing best by me, I guess. –bellend_bellend
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This redditor’s mother eventually turned it around herself!
My parents didn’t give us the whooping cough vaccine under the advisement of our pediatrician.
I actually didn’t know this until last year, so I went and got vaccinated on my mom’s recommendation. She wrote my siblings and me the following email to bring it up:
As a parent, you are bound to make many mistakes.
For me, not having the advantage of younger siblings, the internet, or (initially) many friends with babies, I think I learned to parent on the fly.
At the time, there seemed to be a compelling reason not to include the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine along with whatever else was the recommended protocol for infants under the age of one year.
I think we had read that it was one vaccine too many to be included in the series, and our first pediatrician felt strongly that it might have harmful side effects.
Gramps had told me that he remembered having whooping cough as a child, and although it was harrowing, he survived.
Draw your own conclusions here!
However, I would now hope that you all might consider following up with your doctors to see if you should be vaccinated now as adults.
Out of guilt, I’d be willing to sweeten the deal by paying for whatever isn’t covered by your healthcare. (Tetanus shots, flu shots, etc. aren’t a bad idea either, although you’re on your own there!)
Also, I want to apologize to [Sister], [Sister] and [Brother] for the time we went to the geneticist who took punch core samples of your skin for testing.
We had no idea–and there’s no excuse for our ignorance–that it would be a process painfully administered without anesthesia. I feel traumatized to this day, so I can’t imagine how awful it was for you.
I was reminded of those procedures recently when I heard Nobel Prize-winning geneticist, George Church tell his story on The Moth: My Life as a Guinea Pig.
I love you all dearly!
So, I didn’t get them on my own in contradiction to my parents’ decisions, but at their request, after they realized they had made a mistake. –affixqc
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Don’t be afraid to ask your doctor about concerns—they’ve done this many times before.
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When my daughter was born, we were terrified of the mercury. We asked a doctor, who explained everything to us clearly.
The poor doc had that look though— “Oh shit, not this again”… –cat_of_danzig
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In fact, this redditor got an idea of how much doctors have to explain the necessity of vaccinations.
When we had our first kid, we were shopping around for a pediatrician, and I was astounded how many doctors specifically told us they would only be our general doc if the children were vaccinated.
I had no idea how often they must have that conversation.
Apparently, in some places, the percent of anti-vaxxer parents is as high as 10%.
The number of parents who are reluctant to give their kids vaccines can be as high as 25%. –dsf900
Keep reading for a crazy story of how far one parent went to prevent their child from receiving certain types of medical attention.
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Sometimes understanding takes a while, and now this redditor needs all their shots together.
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My parents were very against it.
Never particularly vocal about it, but growing up, my schools would organize mass vaccinations for all the kids (MMR, etc.) and I was always mysteriously off sick those days.
My school never noticed, and I was always pretty happy as I have a terrible phobia of needles and never really understood the health implications.
I’ve never had any health problems, but I’ve had partners weirded out by it. I was dating one guy who didn’t want to go near me once he found out I hadn’t had any vaccinations. That felt odd.
Last year there was a measles outbreak at my university, and I was very nervous about it.
Called my parents for advice and their response? “Go get the vaccine.”
Classic.
I’m guessing their opinions have changed over the years, but they’re too proud to say outright that maybe they were wrong and their children’s health could now be at risk.
About time I got the rest of them done! –1742587
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This redditor’s mother was not only anti-vaccination, but anti-doctor altogether. It resulted in a medical emergency.
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My mother is just plain crazy when it comes to medical topics, and thinks that hospitals and doctors only want your money.
So I was never vaccinated. For a little insight into the craziness, when I was 14, I was a breath away from dying from a burst appendix.
My mother refused to take me to the hospital despite the pain.
It was only when I started urinating blood that my father said he was taking me to the hospital. I was in and out of consciousness while he carried me to the car.
My mom physically fought him as he carried me.
I was medevaced to a larger hospital and had emergency surgery. The doctor told me in recovery that the infection was spreading to other organs, and my body was starting to shut down.
If it had been a couple of hours or more, it would have been too late.
Fast forward four years later when I joined the Army…the gauntlet of shots I received to get all the vaccinations was something else.
I literally walked almost naked down a row with multiple medical staff on each side poking me with needles everywhere as I was told to keep walking forward and not stop.
I am 35 now and feel just as healthy now as I did as a kid.
Never had any other issues except for a hernia from strenuous exercise. Vaccinations do more good than harm. –Kukulcan83
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Lack of vaccination lead to a terrible bout of whooping cough for this redditor—and four siblings!
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My parents used to not vaccinate me or any of my four siblings, but when I was like three years old me, and my siblings all came down with whooping cough.
It scarred my lungs, and I have yellow stains on my teeth because the high fevers cooked my adult teeth inside my head. My parents vaccinated us after that.
I am not and have never been mad or spiteful toward my parents for not vaccinating me.
They were just naive, and doing what they thought was best for my siblings and me. –Volcano_gurl
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Herd immunity is the key to ridding ourselves of dangerous contagious diseases.
What people don’t understand about vaccination is it isn’t just there to protect the vaccinated.
It protects the “herd” (herd immunity); the people who can’t be vaccinated for whatever reason.
This is part of the reason being vaccinated if you’re able to be is so important. You’re not only protecting yourself.
You’re protecting those around you whose immune systems aren’t up to it and could be hugely negatively impacted by their fellow neighbors refusing for their own uneducated reasons. –hihelloneighboroonie
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This child of anti-vaxxers has plenty of reason to discontinue tradition.
My dad was the anti-vaxxer, my mom was mostly ambivalent. Neither my brother or I were vaccinated at birth, and I didn’t get my shots until I turned 19.
My brother had to get a tetanus shot once when he was six, due to an injury. It burned my dad up for a while.
His reasoning was typical: he believed that the mercury in the vaccines would cause us to somehow develop autism.
My parents were also pretty hippy-dippy compared to most baby boomers, so they were concerned about chemicals and all that as well.
Jokes on them, though, because both my brother and I have [Aspergers] regardless of being unvaccinated.
It was always a pain in the ass whenever we had to do school-related paperwork or field trip stuff because my parents would have to produce a letter stating that it was their “religious right” to keep us “untainted” by vaccination (we were never a religious family).
I wasn’t a super sickly child (with a few exceptions), but my younger brother suffered a lot.
He got pneumonia when he was little, like 3-4. They had to keep him in the hospital and I remember my dad taking care of me at home while my mom stayed in the room with my brother.
About a year or two after that he got walking pneumonia and again was hospitalized.
He’s also allergic to damn near everything and has bad asthma now. He has epilepsy, and we both have chronic migraines.
I never had anything seriously life-threatening in terms of illness, but there was a nearly yearlong period where I had strep throat almost every other week.
I should have had my tonsils out (they wanted to intubate me at one point but for whatever reason changed their minds?), but my dad threw a fit about having any surgeries performed.
I also developed shingles when I was 13, which my father initially treated as poison ivy and left mostly untreated until my mother intervened.
I still have little to no feeling on swatches of the left side of my body from the blister scars. That sucked.
I did, however, have to get my vaccinations when I turned 18 and enrolled in college. He was not pleased about that, and actually, we didn’t talk for almost a year because of my decision to get vaccinated.
Eventually, we worked things out, but it took a while. I’ll be vaccinating any children I may have in the future, though.
Tl;dr: wasn’t vaccinated until I chose to do so myself as a legal adult bc parents were afraid of autism.
My brother and I were sick a lot as a kid, with some really preventable and stupid illnesses. I plan on vaccinating any children I have. –Larktoothe
Keep reading to see how one member of Reddit shut down their family’s objections like a boss!
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Here’s how one redditor put it to their anti-vaxxer grandpa:
My grandpa is convinced on the whole vaccines cause autism thing.
When I was pregnant with my first kid, he harped on it so much until I finally said, “it doesn’t cause autism, but even if it did I would still do it. I’d rather have an autistic kid than a dead one.”
Shut him up fairly well. –HCGB
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This child of anti-vaxxers changed their mind about it after seeing the effects first-hand.
My mom is against vaccines, and I grew up in a very anti-vaccine school and was treated by homeopathic and holistic doctors.
I used to believe all that. Then I started med school and changed my mind to “vaccines aren’t bad, but they aren’t necessary.”
Then I did a rotation at a pediatric hospital in the neurological area. That was a huge eye opener!! Meningitis is an awful disease, and anti-vaxxers never talk about it.
The children I saw were the ones that survived and had brain damage afterward.
It was awful to see kids that could have had a perfectly normal life to end up like that. –anesthesiagirl
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This redditor got their MMR vaccine in the nick of time.
My parents were against the MMR vaccination as my older brother was diagnosed with Aspergers shortly after he received it.
I’m the youngest child and so never got the jab, even though mumps actually caused my mum to go half deaf as a teenager.
It always made me uncomfortable knowing I wasn’t protected and I was of a strong mind to do it eventually, but of course it’s hard going against your parents’ beliefs when they felt so strongly at what had happened to them.
To me it felt like a form of denial of the autism in the family, which they see as much worse than it is—my brother is an amazing guy, and they should give him more credit.
Before you go to Uni you have to get a meningitis jab; while I was at the doctor’s, the doctor suggested giving me the MMR.
I told her my parents were against it and she said she’d give it to me now and then in a few months I could tell them and prove that I was absolutely fine. So I did that.
A few months after receiving the full vaccination, my flatmate and close friend got diagnosed with rubella.
It spread all over her body causing glandular and scarlet fever, she spent over a month in the hospital and was in a fatal position.
If I hadn’t done it at that moment, I could’ve been in serious trouble. And rubella isn’t common here at all.
So if in doubt about going behind their backs, do it for yourself and your own safety, and that’s the only excuse you need. –lazyswayz
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When the HPV vaccine came out, there was a bunch of stories on the news about girls having poor reactions to it, getting seizures, comas.
Most of it nonsense, but my mother saw the news stories and chose not to get me vaccinated. But then, right after college I had a brief bout of thyroid cancer and decided I would take every precaution I could to not get more cancer.
So I got the shots. I think at the time I didn’t tell my mom, but afterward, it came up.
She was more huffy than anything else, and defended her thoughts at the time, but accepted my decision and reasoning. –xrf_rcc
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This redditor caught three diseases that could have been prevented with one shot.
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My parents never explicitly said they were anti-vaccine to me, but I was never vaccinated as a child.
I actually caught Measles, Mumps, and Rubella on separate occasions, luckily diagnosed quickly enough to not cause any major health implications long term, but still a pretty miserable experience each time.
So yeah, thanks for that. –otto82
Finally, read up on the next page about one redditor’s reliance on ‘herd immunity’ (and family troubles because of it), plus an Autistic person’s response to anti-vaxxer concerns.
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One redditor can’t even visit the in-laws.
I am immunosuppressed due to transplant, and my husband’s side of the family are anti-vaxxers.
I don’t think they believe I’m serious about not attending family gatherings ever again.
I know I can bump into a nonvaccinated person by just being out in public, but if I can avoid a known risk, I’m going to do it.
Thank you, everyone, who’s had their shots for helping keep me alive and healthy!! –auntiepink
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Tragedy turned this redditor’s mom into an anti-vaxxer.
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My story is a bit complex. My mother is an avid anti-vaxxer, but didn’t become that way until after my late sister died.
She blamed the vaccines she got a few weeks before her death (she was 3 months old) for it, instead of the SIDS tragedy it was.
My next youngest sibling was ‘allergic’ to eggs, and so didn’t get any vaccines until she was 8, after my parents were divorced and we had to move to a new state with new laws.
My two youngest siblings have never been vaccinated against anything. –MomentoMoriBenn
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Even if vaccinations and autism were linked (they aren’t), autistic people are here to tell us it’s not the worst thing that could happen.
As an autistic person here as well it hurts to know that so many parents think it’s the worst possible thing that could happen to their child.
I would think dying of measles ranks a bit higher on that scale. –el1414
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This redditor had a scare after a childhood of anti-vaccination rhetoric.
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My mom had a child who became brain damaged during birth due to a hole in the umbilical cord.
She became convinced that there was some malpractice cover-up and gradually that all of medicine is one big conspiracy.
I stopped getting vaccines around 10 due to a mysterious ailment I had that turned out to be recurrent benign positional paroxysmal vertigo.
For some reason, doctors couldn’t figure it out and thought I had brain cancer.
My mom became convinced it was vaccine-related, and claimed she “traced my vaccine” and it was a “bad batch” that had killed a boy who got it.
I stopped getting vaccines and turned in forms to school every year claiming “personal objection” exemption from all vaccines from that point on.
I ended up deciding to become a biomedical scientist and enrolled in a Ph.D. program.
The Hep B vaccine was recommended for all students, and I received the first course of the vaccine…and then mentioned it to my mom.
She FLIPPED OUT.
She told me she couldn’t believe I would do something so stupid, and that there were so many bad reactions I could have and they didn’t all happen immediately.
I started reading horror stories online about bad Hep B shot reactions. And I panicked.
I really thought I may have done something really stupid.
This was pretty ironic since I was in a science Ph.D. program, but I was still making sense of what part of my childhood brainwashing was true and still coming to my own belief system.
In my hesitation/uncertainty, I failed to get the next dose of the Hep B shot in the required time window. I did intend to get it, but I forgot about it in the craziness of grad school.
Fast forward to my 3rd year; I was studying liver cancer and working with a liver cancer cell line called Hep3B.
I was reading the literature and stumbled on a paper that said that scientists had found that Hep3B cells are infected…with LIVE HEPATITIS B VIRUS.
That was really terrifying because I had been working with them for months and definitely had not taken the precautions you are supposed would take if you are working with active human pathogens.
The fact that I passed up a free HepB shot and could have stupidly contracted HepB really crystallized the importance of vaccines for me that day.
I didn’t ever have obvious symptoms of HepB, but nonetheless, I worried that I might have it up until I got pregnant with my daughter and tested negative during the prenatal tests.
Needless to say, my daughter has gotten 100% of her vaccines and will continue to. I chose for her a pediatrician who refuses to see patients who don’t get all of their vaccines on schedule.
I don’t even want to share a waiting room with unvaxxed kids. –the_real_dairy_queen
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Some parents have selective hearing when it comes to vaccines.
My mum was completely against vaccinations.
I only got the MMR by mistake because they didn’t ask the parents – just lined us up outside the library and we went in one by one.
She was furious when I told her what had happened.
I caught whooping cough at age 34, and it was hell.
My partner hates her for putting me through that. I’ve since had a few vaccinations for travel, as has my younger sister.
Neither of us would ever tell our mother that we have had them though.
There was a slight hint a few years back, and she was already through the roof before my sister corrected herself and lied to cover the mention.
We will never tell her. –realbasilisk
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7 helpful posts from /r/personalfinance
One of my favorite things to read is /r/personalfinance.
Here are seven of my favorite posts from the sub — and what YOU can learn from them.
7 valuable Reddit personal finance posts
1. “Paying rent isn’t throwing away money.”
If I ever go bald, know it’s because I tore my hair out every time I heard people say this.
From the /r/personalfinance thread:
While it is true that when you buy a home a portion of your monthly mortgage payment will be going to principal, and therefore you are paying yourself in some ways, however, the cost of home ownership is significant. Some of the lesser known costs include the lack of flexibility, stress, the risk of home price declines, home maintenance, real estate taxes, and HOA fees.
These are also known as phantom costs — the expenses you don’t normally consider when you buy a house.
OP also offers a great mental reframing of rent, saying, “As human beings, there are several things we need to survive, including food and shelter. Paying money for rent is no more a ‘waste’ of money than paying for food is.”
For more, be sure to check out my article on real estate investing myths and my post on how to buy a house.
2. “Your parents took decades to furnish their house.”
It’s easy to look at someone successful and compare yourselves to them. You start feeling like you aren’t doing enough to reach your own goals and might try to rush things to achieve their level of success.
In reality, the most successful people devoted a lot of time and energy into getting to where they are — and you should do the same.
That’s what’s at the heart of this thread about the importance of patience when it comes to your goals:
If you’re just starting out, remember that it took your parents decades to collect all the furniture, decorations, appliances, etc you are used to having around. It’s easy to forget this because you started remembering things a long while after they started out together, so it feels like that’s how a house should always be.
It’s impossible for most people starting out to get to that level of settled in without burying themselves in debt. So relax, take your time, and embrace the emptiness! You’ll enjoy the house much more if you’re not worried about how to pay for everything all the time.
So whether you’re saving for your wedding or trying to get out of debt, know that these things take time and that’s okay. Once you stop worrying about trying to accomplish your goals quickly, you can focus your mental energy on the things you can control to accomplish your goals.
3. “I found out a coworker with the same job is making twice as much as me.”
A fascinating story about a research assistant who finds out she’s being paid MUCH less than a coworker who joined six months after she got the job.
When she raised the issue to management, her boss tried pulling some corporate trickery that’s common with bad companies:
One week later she called me into her office. She absolutely berated me for thinking I could move into the coordinator position for which I was already doing the work, and complained about my work performance. Last month I had an evaluation, and received very high praise for my performance, and there has not ever been complaints about my performance in the past. All in all, I assume she was making excuses not to increase my pay.
Eventually, she was able to find a job at another place that offered her more than she was currently earning — which led to a bidding war between her old boss and her new employer (aka the best position you could possibly be in as a job seeker).
A few lessons for job seekers from this post:
Negotiate mercilessly. OP could have just shrugged her shoulders and kept quiet when she found out she could be earning more — BUT she didn’t. She addressed the issue and now has two different companies vying for her work. That’s why it’s always in your best interest to negotiate your salary even if you think you’re earning enough.
Adopt an abundance mindset. It’s easy to take any job offer that comes your way — especially when money’s tight. OP had two job offers and knew that if one didn’t work out, the other would be there for her. This is also known as an abundance mentality, and it can be a powerful mental shift for the way you approach finances.
Know your worth. The first step to any salary negotiation is knowing how much you’re worth. While websites like Glassdoor or PayScale can help you get a good sense of this, talking to people in your field about their earnings can give you a sense of what you should be making (like OP did). So don’t be afraid to ask. Top Performers do all they can to know what they’re worth.
Be sure to check out my article on how to negotiate your salary and the Briefcase Technique for more.
4. What to do when a loved one dies.
When tragedy strikes, you find yourself asking questions you’ve never even considered before. This /r/personalfinance thread tries to answer one of those questions: How do I handle my finances when someone I love dies?
While the post deals with money accounts and estate issues beautifully, it also goes into the more lesser known parts of dealing with death, like where to get an urn:
The funeral home won’t tell you this, but you don’t have to buy things like urns and whatnot from them. I chose to, because the prospect of receiving a plastic baggie with my husband’s ashes that I would have to deal with was horrifying. A friend bought an urn for his father’s ashes on Amazon. There are options that are cheaper than the funeral home, but I chose to pay the obscene markup so that I wouldn’t have to deal with the logistics.
Overall, it’s a great read for anyone — even if you haven’t suffered any personal tragedies. It’s an excellent perspective on life, death, and where our finances fit in between it all.
5. “We decided not to buy a bearded dragon.”
For some, a Rich Life means a new car, ordering appetizers at restaurants, or paying off their debt. For others, it’s a desert lizard chilling out in a reptile aquarium in their living room.
Or at least that’s what one Reddit user thought when he got ready to buy a bearded dragon for his son’s birthday. When he ran the numbers though, he realized that the investment he’d be making into the pet would be much more than he bargained for.
[We] learned it needs expensive UV bulbs that last about 6 months and are about $40 each. Also the electricity cost the run this heat 24 hours can be a drain on the electric bill.
Also the beardie needs to go to the vet every 6 months for a checkup. And finally, food. They have a very diverse diet and can eat up to $15 per week in foods. So I did a total cost analysis for a beardie that lives 12 years and it turned out to be a whopping $10,000.
This is a great example of figuring out what fits into your Rich Life. I’m a big believer in spending on the things you truly love and ignoring the rest. So if you believe that a bearded dragon will help you live your Rich Life, by all means buy that lizard!
However, if you find that the benefits of caring for a reptile native to sweltering deserts for a decade aren’t worth the money and energy, don’t worry about it. Your Rich Life is what YOU make of it.
Also LOL at this robotically cold statement from a commenter: “It’s about ROI on the pet. Dogs are more fulfilling companions than a lizard. At least that’s the case with OP.”
6. What to do when you lose everything in a fire.
Sometimes we do all we can to prevent disaster — but it ends up happening anyway. Case in point: Losing everything you own in a fire like this OP.
One former insurance worker offered their incredibly insightful advice on how the insurance company is going to approach the situation and what OP should do to get the most out of his claims.
The biggest takeaway: Use the truth to your advantage. The commenter then used an example of how one guy used his situation to net him a five-figure insurance claim.
I remember one specific customer … he had some old, piece of shit projector (from mid-late 90s) that could stream an equally piece of shit consumer camcorder. Worth like $5 at a scrap yard. It had some oddball fucking resolution it could record at, though — and the guy strongly insisted that we replace with “Like Kind and Quality” (trigger words). Ended up being a $65k replacement, because the only camera on the market happened to be a high-end professional video camera (as in, for shooting actual movies). $65-goddam-thousand-dollars because he knew that loophole, and researched his shit.
This goes to illustrate a big point when it comes to anything insurance related: Do your research. Once you know the rules of the game you’re playing (whether it be taxes, insurance, or salary negotiations), the better positioned you are to win.
7. Explain it like I’m 18/22/30/40.
These threads are the perfect place to start if you’re completely new to the world of personal finance (aside from IWT of course).  
These guides break down important themes for your personal finance journey at different stages of your life. They are:
ELI18. For when you’re out of the house for the first time and wouldn’t recognize a 401k if it walked up to you and slapped the fidget spinner out of your hand. Great advice on topics like opening bank accounts, applying for a credit card, and even finding a roommate.
ELI22. So you’ve graduated college and are out in the “real world.” Scary right? This post makes it a little less scary by providing a solid introduction to taxes, contributing to retirement, and paying off your student loans.
ELI30. When you’re 30, a whole new crop of financial questions start coming up. How do I handle money when I get married? How do I buy a house? I have a dog … that’s like taking care of a baby right? This comprehensive post helps answer a few of those questions.
ELI40. The name of the game at 40 and beyond is retirement — rather, it’s making sure your investments are best positioned for when you retire. This post is a great primer on planning for the future and beyond.
Why I LOVE /r/PersonalFinance
You probably wouldn’t say anything if a friend or coworker tells you about a money decision you don’t agree with (racking up credit card debt, buying a house with little income, etc.). But if you saw the same issues on Reddit personal finance, you’d let the world know exactly how you feel about their issues and what you’d do instead.
It’s this level of honesty that helps us see how people really use money — and how to use it yourself.
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Know Your Inheritance (GDC 2018)
I gave a short talk at GDC this year on the importance of understanding what your game has inherited from the past. They have already posted the video here (my part starts at 28:50): https://www.gdcvault.com/browse/gdc-18/play/1024996/Rules-of-the-Game-Five
Since my talk was short and scripted, I am also posting the slides and words for your reading pleasure!
This phrase is so common, it’s basically an idiom. Indeed, while some of our non-American friends here might be baffled by baseball in general, they probably still know this rule. However…
…it’s not actually true. The batter is not out after the third strike. It’s only when the catcher catches the ball that the batter is out.
If the catcher drops or misses the pitch, then the batter is not out and has a chance to advance to first. This almost always results in an out as the catcher simply picks up the ball and makes the easy throw, but occasionally, this little-known rule can become a big deal, as it did in last year’s final game in the playoff series between the Chicago Cubs and the Washington Nationals. Max Scherzer threw a third strike past a swinging Javier Baez, but watch what happens…
http://www.designer-notes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/third-strike.mp4
…the Nationals catcher Matt Wieters missed the ball between his legs, allowing Baez to make it safely to first base. This would have been the third out of the inning. Instead, the Cubs scored two more runs and later won the game by only one run and advanced to the next round.
Thus, an obscure rule knocked the Nationals out of the playoffs. Where exactly did this rule come from?
It actually reaches back to the very first time the rules of baseball were put down in print, by the German Johann Christoph Friedrich Gutsmuths.
He outlined something called “English Base-ball”, which was a game of innings with a batter, fielders, safe bases, and scoring at home plate. However, there were no strikes or balls yet. The pitcher stood close to the batter and more or less “delivered” the ball as a soft lob to be hit. The pitcher wasn’t trying to challenge the batter; the game was about fielding the ball AFTER it was hit.
However, what happens when there is a terrible batter who can’t hit anything? In Gutsmuths’ game, he had a special rule for this situation – the batter gets only three swings. On the third swing, the ball is automatically in play whether it is hit or not. So, the batter will run to first either after hitting the ball or missing for the third time. Indeed, there is no catcher to receive the ball; so the pitcher would need to run to home plate to pick it up and throw to first.
In 1845, the American Knickerbocker Base Ball Club wrote down their rules for the game, and some things had changed.
The pitcher was now much farther from the batter and threw the ball horizontally, which required the new position of catcher. However, they preserved the logic of the old Gutsmuths rule – that the ball was in play after the third missed swing – like old legacy code lying around.
The “strikeout” was actually emergent gameplay because after the third miss, the ball was now technically in play, and the catcher turned it into an out by catching the pitch. Thus, there was no actual difference between the catcher making an out from catching a popup and the catcher making an out from catching the pitch after a third missed swing. In each case, the ball was now “live” and the catcher made an out by catching the ball before it hit the ground.
However, they had to patch the game later because of an unintended consequence of not taking the time to make the strikeout an official rule. Because the ball would be considered “live” after a third strike, the possibility for a cheesy double- or triple-play existed.
For example, if the bases were loaded, then the catcher could intentionally drop the ball, pick up it up again, step on home plate for an easy out, and then throw to third and on to second for two more. Therefore, in 1887, they added a new rule so that the batter would automatically be out if a runner was on first base AND there were less than two outs.
Thus, Three Strikes and You’re Out – the way everyone assumes baseball is played – is true… but only under a very specific set of circumstances. They opted for an ugly patch instead of just rewriting the rules to match how the game was actually being played!
Indeed, think about the situation with Javier Baez. There WAS a runner on first base… so, even though the catcher dropped the ball, it should have been a strikeout… except, there were two outs, so we’re now back to the original dropped third-strike rule again.
They could have just rewritten the rules so that Three Strikes and You’re Out applies at ALL times. Wouldn’t that be simpler? More intuitive? Why go to the trouble of fixing the one glaring issue with catchers intentionally dropping the ball and not just get rid of the old, vestigial rule.
The reason is that we inherit our game design from everything that comes before us.
Sometimes, this inheritance is obvious – Civ 6 inherited from Civ 5 which inherited from Civ 4, and so on.
Sometimes, a designer inherits from the games he or she played as a kid (Mario -> Braid, Myst -> The Witness)
Sometimes, games inherit from themselves. This is a timeline of the development of our economic RTS Offworld Trading Company.
You might make certain development shortcuts or hacks early on just so that you can get your prototype playable, but then these assumptions are now baked into your design whether you want them there or not. You have to REMEMBER that it was an accidental or arbitrary choice.
The most common thing to inherit, however, is game mechanics, usually from games in the same genre.
For example, although Offworld Trading Company is an RTS, it’s notable for being one without units. However, we didn’t start there as we inherited from all the other RTSs before us – StarCraft, Age of Empires, etc. Thus, we had scouts, builders, transports, pirates ships, police ships, and so on.
Over time, we discovered that this inheritance was weighing the game down, forcing the player to spend time wrangling units that would have been better spent playing the market. Slowly, we took these units out one by one, first the transports, then the combat units, then the builders, and finally the scouts. The game looks like a radical break with the past, but it took us a long time to get there.
The problem is that iterative design can be a trap – that you can no longer see those parts of your game that are holding you back from a much better design. It’s easier to make small changes that fix glaring issues rather than to re-evaluate your entire design
Sometimes, the problem with a game’s inheritance can be at the conceptual level. Consider Spore…
…which was conceived of as a “Power of 10” game that went from cellular-scale all the way up to galactic-scale. That was the hook, the point of making the game.
This part of the game was widely seen as a disappointment – that the five disparate levels felt like five different games duct-taped together. However, something interesting happened with the failure of Spore…
…which is that it wasn’t actually a failure after all. This is how many people are playing Spore right now – not bad for a 10-year-old game.
Indeed, check out this chart, which compares Spore to the two most successful PC games released the same year – 2008. Spore currently crushes them, and keep in mind that Spore didn’t even launch on Steam.
What happened was that the most interesting part of the game did not come from the Powers of Ten concept, but from the editors inside the game – especially the creature creator, which dynamically animated the players’ creations.
However, these editors were developed midway through the project; Maxis started making a game about one thing and accidentally ended up making a game about something else. One of the big unanswered questions about Spore is what could we have done if we had been able to ditch the Powers of Ten concept and refocus the game on the editors?
Here’s a classic case study in inheriting bad design. Creep denial is a mechanic in the original DOTA where you kill you OWN units to keep your opponents from getting gold and experience from them.
Indeed, creep denial is one of the focal point of high-level play in DOTA, to maximize your experience point gain relative to your opponents to outlevel them. However, it’s an open question whether this is actually GOOD design.
At the very least, creep denial is ACCIDENTAL design because DOTA inherited it from Warcraft 3 – this was simply how that game handled killing your own units. Indeed the fact that Warcraft 3 even ALLOWED killing your own units was likely an afterthought by the designers.
DOTA inherited this rule because the game was literally built inside of Warcraft 3 as a mod. Thus, MOBAs inherited a ton of design and mechanics from Warcraft 3. The original DOTA designers may have wanted many things to work differently, but they really didn’t have a choice given the limitations and assumptions of the Warcraft 3 editor.
DOTA 2 and League of Legends, of course, inherit their design from the original DOTA mod, but they made different choices about their inheritance of creep denial. Basically, League dropped it while DOTA 2 kept it.
This is from a Reddit thread on why creep denial is not in League. Don’t worry about reading this; I just want to point out how “RandomGuyDota” is trying to explain why creep denial is bad for the design using the game mechanics themselves. This is pretty typical reasoning for something that has become part of a game’s design inheritance – the burden of proof is always on why it should be removed from the game, not on how it got added in the first place.
However, I have a simpler explanation for why creep denial is bad design…
I mean, come on, you want your players to be spending their time killing their own units? Is that really a core part of what makes MOBAs work? The game would fall apart if you couldn’t kill your own guys?
aahdin perhaps sums it up better than I ever could.
At some point, you have to step back as a designer and re-evaluate your inheritance. Does the core gameplay survive without the feature? Is the feature unintuitive, making the game harder to understand or to pick up? Is there a better way for the players to be spending their time than on this feature?
In the case of creep denial, the answer to all those questions suggests that the game would be better off without it. There is only one magical core feature to MOBAs, the one feature which cannot be dropped – and that is taking the scope and complexity of an RTS but focusing the player’s control onto just one unit, which makes the game accessible to a larger audience by an order of magnitude. Everything else, EVERYTHING ELSE, is just accidental inheritance resulting from the genre’s origin as a Warcraft 3 mod.
In fact, although League doesn’t have creep denial now… they actually started with it.
These are League of Legend’s very first patch notes, published in July 2009. They inherited creep denial but killed it very early. So, although they got it from the original mod, they were willing to critically examine their game’s past.
In contrast, here is the history of creep denial from DOTA 1 to DOTA 2. You can see an awareness that creep denial might not be the best thing for the game.
Look at 6.82 – “Denied creeps now give less experience” – a clear sign that they want to weaken this feature by rewarding players less for focusing on creep denial. However, instead of ripping it out, they are making small changes around the edges.
Basically, they are doing what baseball did when they patched the dropped third-strike rule by making it not apply in certain circumstances instead of just getting rid of the dumb rule itself.
Remember my questions on the value of creep denial? Does the core gameplay survive without the feature? Is the feature unintuitive, making the game harder to understand or to pick up? Is there a better way for the players to be spending their time than on this feature? Running this exercise with the dropped third-strike rule gets us to the same place – that it’s bad, accidental design that is ultimately hurting baseball.
Now, here’s a comparison of the two games, and some other MOBAs. There are many reasons why League outpaces DOTA 2 by an order of magnitude – an almost three year head start is a pretty big one – but I also believe that Riot’s philosophy of re-examining their inheritance from the original DOTA mod, which extends well beyond just removing creep denial, is a very important piece.
Now, I also have thoughts about last hitting, but fortunately, I don’t have time for that. I say fortunately because, Heroes of the Storm, which is the only one of these three to drop last hitting, is less successful than DOTA 2, let alone League. Thus, I can’t really make an argument that the market has proven that last hitting is bad design. Further, I don’t think it would be reasonable to expect Riot to experiment with dropping last hitting at this point; it’s just too late. League is one of the world’s most popular games. Indeed, they are lucky that they dropped creep denial so early in their development before doing so might have split community opinion.
We don’t always have the luxury of looking at the market to prove out our decisions, which is why re-examining a game’s inheritance is such a difficult and important issue.
Choosing to erase your inheritance takes real bravery. Sometimes, you have to trust your own rational design process if you see a problem. Sometimes, you have to go with your gut. Ultimately, you must be willing to see your history, know how it led you to where you are today, and then have the courage to drop the past.
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Know Your Inheritance (GDC 2018)
I gave a short talk at GDC this year on the importance of understanding what your game has inherited from the past. They have already posted the video here (my part starts at 28:50): https://www.gdcvault.com/browse/gdc-18/play/1024996/Rules-of-the-Game-Five
Since my talk was short and scripted, I am also posting the slides and words for your reading pleasure!
This phrase is so common, it’s basically an idiom. Indeed, while some of our non-American friends here might be baffled by baseball in general, they probably still know this rule. However…
…it’s not actually true. The batter is not out after the third strike. It’s only when the catcher catches the ball that the batter is out.
If the catcher drops or misses the pitch, then the batter is not out and has a chance to advance to first. This almost always results in an out as the catcher simply picks up the ball and makes the easy throw, but occasionally, this little-known rule can become a big deal, as it did in last year’s final game in the playoff series between the Chicago Cubs and the Washington Nationals. Max Scherzer threw a third strike past a swinging Javier Baez, but watch what happens…
http://www.designer-notes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/third-strike.mp4
…the Nationals catcher Matt Wieters missed the ball between his legs, allowing Baez to make it safely to first base. This would have been the third out of the inning. Instead, the Cubs scored two more runs and later won the game by only one run and advanced to the next round.
Thus, an obscure rule knocked the Nationals out of the playoffs. Where exactly did this rule come from?
It actually reaches back to the very first time the rules of baseball were put down in print, by the German Johann Christoph Friedrich Gutsmuths.
He outlined something called “English Base-ball”, which was a game of innings with a batter, fielders, safe bases, and scoring at home plate. However, there were no strikes or balls yet. The pitcher stood close to the batter and more or less “delivered” the ball as a soft lob to be hit. The pitcher wasn’t trying to challenge the batter; the game was about fielding the ball AFTER it was hit.
However, what happens when there is a terrible batter who can’t hit anything? In Gutsmuths’ game, he had a special rule for this situation – the batter gets only three swings. On the third swing, the ball is automatically in play whether it is hit or not. So, the batter will run to first either after hitting the ball or missing for the third time. Indeed, there is no catcher to receive the ball; so the pitcher would need to run to home plate to pick it up and throw to first.
In 1845, the American Knickerbocker Base Ball Club wrote down their rules for the game, and some things had changed.
The pitcher was now much farther from the batter and threw the ball horizontally, which required the new position of catcher. However, they preserved the logic of the old Gutsmuths rule – that the ball was in play after the third missed swing – like old legacy code lying around.
The “strikeout” was actually emergent gameplay because after the third miss, the ball was now technically in play, and the catcher turned it into an out by catching the pitch. Thus, there was no actual difference between the catcher making an out from catching a popup and the catcher making an out from catching the pitch after a third missed swing. In each case, the ball was now “live” and the catcher made an out by catching the ball before it hit the ground.
However, they had to patch the game later because of an unintended consequence of not taking the time to make the strikeout an official rule. Because the ball would be considered “live” after a third strike, the possibility for a cheesy double- or triple-play existed.
For example, if the bases were loaded, then the catcher could intentionally drop the ball, pick up it up again, step on home plate for an easy out, and then throw to third and on to second for two more. Therefore, in 1887, they added a new rule so that the batter would automatically be out if a runner was on first base AND there were less than two outs.
Thus, Three Strikes and You’re Out – the way everyone assumes baseball is played – is true… but only under a very specific set of circumstances. They opted for an ugly patch instead of just rewriting the rules to match how the game was actually being played!
Indeed, think about the situation with Javier Baez. There WAS a runner on first base… so, even though the catcher dropped the ball, it should have been a strikeout… except, there were two outs, so we’re now back to the original dropped third-strike rule again.
They could have just rewritten the rules so that Three Strikes and You’re Out applies at ALL times. Wouldn’t that be simpler? More intuitive? Why go to the trouble of fixing the one glaring issue with catchers intentionally dropping the ball and not just get rid of the old, vestigial rule.
The reason is that we inherit our game design from everything that comes before us.
Sometimes, this inheritance is obvious – Civ 6 inherited from Civ 5 which inherited from Civ 4, and so on.
Sometimes, a designer inherits from the games he or she played as a kid (Mario -> Braid, Myst -> The Witness)
Sometimes, games inherit from themselves. This is a timeline of the development of our economic RTS Offworld Trading Company.
You might make certain development shortcuts or hacks early on just so that you can get your prototype playable, but then these assumptions are now baked into your design whether you want them there or not. You have to REMEMBER that it was an accidental or arbitrary choice.
The most common thing to inherit, however, is game mechanics, usually from games in the same genre.
For example, although Offworld Trading Company is an RTS, it’s notable for being one without units. However, we didn’t start there as we inherited from all the other RTSs before us – StarCraft, Age of Empires, etc. Thus, we had scouts, builders, transports, pirates ships, police ships, and so on.
Over time, we discovered that this inheritance was weighing the game down, forcing the player to spend time wrangling units that would have been better spent playing the market. Slowly, we took these units out one by one, first the transports, then the combat units, then the builders, and finally the scouts. The game looks like a radical break with the past, but it took us a long time to get there.
The problem is that iterative design can be a trap – that you can no longer see those parts of your game that are holding you back from a much better design. It’s easier to make small changes that fix glaring issues rather than to re-evaluate your entire design
Sometimes, the problem with a game’s inheritance can be at the conceptual level. Consider Spore…
…which was conceived of as a “Power of 10” game that went from cellular-scale all the way up to galactic-scale. That was the hook, the point of making the game.
This part of the game was widely seen as a disappointment – that the five disparate levels felt like five different games duct-taped together. However, something interesting happened with the failure of Spore…
…which is that it wasn’t actually a failure after all. This is how many people are playing Spore right now – not bad for a 10-year-old game.
Indeed, check out this chart, which compares Spore to the two most successful PC games released the same year – 2008. Spore currently crushes them, and keep in mind that Spore didn’t even launch on Steam.
What happened was that the most interesting part of the game did not come from the Powers of Ten concept, but from the editors inside the game – especially the creature creator, which dynamically animated the players’ creations.
However, these editors were developed midway through the project; Maxis started making a game about one thing and accidentally ended up making a game about something else. One of the big unanswered questions about Spore is what could we have done if we had been able to ditch the Powers of Ten concept and refocus the game on the editors?
Here’s a classic case study in inheriting bad design. Creep denial is a mechanic in the original DOTA where you kill you OWN units to keep your opponents from getting gold and experience from them.
Indeed, creep denial is one of the focal point of high-level play in DOTA, to maximize your experience point gain relative to your opponents to outlevel them. However, it’s an open question whether this is actually GOOD design.
At the very least, creep denial is ACCIDENTAL design because DOTA inherited it from Warcraft 3 – this was simply how that game handled killing your own units. Indeed the fact that Warcraft 3 even ALLOWED killing your own units was likely an afterthought by the designers.
DOTA inherited this rule because the game was literally built inside of Warcraft 3 as a mod. Thus, MOBAs inherited a ton of design and mechanics from Warcraft 3. The original DOTA designers may have wanted many things to work differently, but they really didn’t have a choice given the limitations and assumptions of the Warcraft 3 editor.
DOTA 2 and League of Legends, of course, inherit their design from the original DOTA mod, but they made different choices about their inheritance of creep denial. Basically, League dropped it while DOTA 2 kept it.
This is from a Reddit thread on why creep denial is not in League. Don’t worry about reading this, I just want to point out how “RandomGuyDota” is trying to explain why creep denial is bad for the design using the game mechanics themselves. This is pretty typical reasoning for something that has become part of a game’s design inheritance – the burden of proof is always on why it should be removed from the game, not on how it got added in the first place.
However, I have a simpler explanation for why creep denial is bad design…
I mean, come on, you want your players to be spending their time killing their own units? Is that really a core part of what makes MOBAs work? The game would fall apart if you couldn’t kill your own guys?
aahdin perhaps sums it up better than I ever could.
At some point, you have to step back as a designer and re-evaluate your inheritance. Does the core gameplay survive without the feature? Is the feature unintuitive, making the game harder to understand or to pick up? Is there a better way for the players to be spending their time than on this feature?
In the case of creep denial, the answer to all those questions suggests that the game would be better off without it. There is only one magical core feature to MOBAs, the one feature which cannot be dropped – and that is taking the scope and complexity of an RTS but focusing the player’s control onto just one unit, which makes the game accessible to a larger audience by an order of magnitude. Everything else, EVERYTHING ELSE, is just accidental inheritance resulting from the genre’s origin as a Warcraft 3 mod.
In fact, although League doesn’t have creep denial now… they actually started with it.
These are League of Legend’s very first patch notes, published in July 2009. They inherited creep denial but killed it very early.
So, although they got it from the original mod, they were willing to critically examine their game’s past.
In contrast, here is the history of creep denial from DOTA 1 to DOTA 2. You can see an awareness that creep denial might not be the best thing for the game.
Look at 6.82 – “Denied creeps now give less experience” – a clear sign that they want to weaken this feature by rewarding players less for focusing on creep denial. However, instead of ripping it out, they are making small changes around the edges.
Basically, they are doing what baseball did when they patched the dropped third-strike rule by making it not apply in certain circumstances instead of just getting rid of the dumb rule itself.
Remember my questions on the value of creep denial? Does the core gameplay survive without the feature? Is the feature unintuitive, making the game harder to understand or to pick up? Is there a better way for the players to be spending their time than on this feature? Running this exercise with the dropped third-strike rule gets us to the same place – that it’s bad, accidental design that is ultimately hurting baseball.
Now, here’s a comparison of the two games, and some other MOBAs. There are many reasons why League outpaces DOTA 2 by an order of magnitude – an almost three year head start is a pretty big one – but I also believe that Riot’s philosophy of re-examining their inheritance from the original DOTA mod, which extends well beyond just removing creep denial, is a very important piece.
Now, I also have thoughts about last hitting, but fortunately, I don’t have time for that. I say fortunately because, Heroes of the Storm, which is the only one of these three to drop last hitting, is less successful than DOTA 2, let alone League. Thus, I can’t really make an argument that the market has proven that last hitting is bad design. Further, I don’t think it would be reasonable to expect Riot to experiment with dropping last hitting at this point; it’s just too late; League is one of the world’s most popular games. Indeed, they are lucky that they dropped creep denial so early in their development before doing so might have split community opinion.
We don’t always have the luxury of looking at the market to prove out our decisions, which is why re-examining a game’s inheritance is such a difficult and important issue.
Choosing to erase your inheritance takes real bravery. Sometimes, you have to trust your own rational design process if you see a problem. Sometimes, you have to go with your gut. Ultimately, you must be willing to see your history, know how it led you to where you are today, and then have the courage to drop the past.
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