#andor meta

[takemetodragonstone]

I didn’t like the baby reveal ending at first but I started thinking about kleya and suddenly it hits a lot harder and I get it now. it seems a bit cheap on its own maybe, but if you think about the baby as a mirror to kleya it’s really more impactful I feel. we only just found out that luthen and kleya had a father-daughter relationship—that was a baby reveal in its own way—right at the moment of luthen’s death. he really did sacrifice everything (except kleya!) for this rebellion, and he will never see the sunrise, but she will. she’ll know it was all worth it. and she’ll be free. the bix/cassian baby reveal works the same way. right at the moment he’s heading off on the path to his final mission, one that will be instrumental in bringing about that sunrise, one we know he’ll never come back from, we see bix, and their baby, who will not only live to see that sunrise, but will probably not even have any memories of a time before it came. that’s what it’s all for. that’s why all these sacrifices matter. everyone vel and cassian toasted to, and the ones who survived too, like kleya and bix, vel and mon etc. that’s why they’re heroes. so no one else has to be. so others can just live

[major-comet]

thinking about how a recurring theme for cassian throughout the whole show is how he doesn’t feel in control of his life. that he feels he lacks the autonomy needed to truly make important decisions for himself. and how, at the end of his life his two closest companions are people who only have their own senses of free choice and autonomy because cassian helped give it to them.

kay was liberated from the empire’s control all because cassian decided on a whim to take the k-x that tried to kill him on ghorman back to yavin with him, and melshi was liberated from prison just a month after cass got there after being there for so long it had completely crushed his spirit.

if it hadn’t been for cassian, kay would have never known what it feels like to Feel things, to know what it’s like to say No. melshi very likely would have never seen the sun again, never been reborn in the waters of narkina 5 and on the shores of niamos into the man who would be a sergeant within a year of joining the alliance.

they never would have known what it’s like to play 863 games of rianza in the jungle yurt they’ve lived in for a year, with the man who freed them and someone else he freed along the way.

and i’m not sure cass ever truly recognized the effect he had on those around him, but they sure did.

[toastytrusty]

i think it finally clicked what about cassian and luthen's relationship i find so compelling. when cassian officially joined the rebellion at the end of season one, he effectively surrendered all of his autonomy to luthen. "kill me or take me in." he literally put his life in luthen's hands. he clearly had very little will to live, and beyond giving luthen the choice to kill him, he gave luthen the choice to give him purpose again. and not Just purpose, either, but full control over the rest of his life, as well. he became part of the cause because he felt he had nothing else left, and was either going to effectively kill himself, or let someone else dictate every single thing he does until he dies anyway, now with a reason behind it, now able to plausibly deny it being wanted. it's simultaneously an admittance of defeat, where he is telling luthen that he won, and an act of defiance, where he is challenging luthen to discard him rather than use him. and obviously luthen would rather use him.

but then there is the bix aspect. cassian's hopelessness at the end of s1 implies that he did not, at that point, see bix as an adequate reason to keep going. not as a reason to stay alive, not as a reason to stay present in anyone else's life. it was not worth remaining an individual, for her sake or his own. and obviously a lot of that is from the insane depressive grief that the whole Ordeal of s1 + losing maarva was. but still. he was very closed off, and singlemindedly thinking about his own ability to give himself to the rebellion. which makes his protectiveness over her in s2 all the more compelling. he is repeatedly getting worked up over her well-being, and acting out in ways that are possibly jeopardizing to the rebellion. it's such a fascinating transition, and regardless of how they got there again, i think in season 2, cassian sees bix as his last place to be human. the one person in the galaxy he can be an individual with, rather than a tool. which is why, in my current, ever-evolving understanding of these characters, i think he gets so contradictory and confused about what he wants from her. he wants her to be strong and a soldier so they can go to war together, because the war is so terribly important to him, but he also wants her to prioritize her own safety over anything else and never put herself at risk, because if he loses her he loses himself. this is necessarily the conflict between them.

which comes to the incredible exchange between cassian and luthen about bix in episode 6 of s2, where we can see how much this conflcit is affecting cassian. he can't stand that luthen is potentially putting bix in danger, and can't stand that luthen is treating them like droids, rather than people. but then. then luthen Reminds cassian. he reminds cassian that he already surrendered his autonomy. he already surrendered his individuality. "we're not who we were when we started." cassian chose this; chose to change for this, chose to give up being a person for this. he doesn't get to now choose to put bix, his one haven, over it. she needs to be able to handle herself, because cassian asserting himself by worrying about her compromises their entire system. "you will have to decide when it becomes too large a problem." but cassian's response is the most important part: "no. that's gonna be up to you." he's essentially turning it back on luthen. if luthen expects him to remain compliant in the way his role calls for, then luthen needs to be fullfilling his side of it, and making sure cassian has an environment that he Can remain compliant in, without compromising anything. "you want my blood? you help me solve this." he is finally standing his ground on something to luthen, asserting himself in a way that is basically begging luthen to let him submit again. he wants to be part of the cause; he still wants to be able to lose himself in it, but he also needs bix, and will not give up the life he knows is possible to share with her.

[velvet4510]

Syril Karn and Dedra Meero are one of the most interesting fictional couples ever because they both are such awful people, they’re literally FASCISTS, Syril is so emotionally immature, Dedra has more than one psychopathic cell in her body, they’re messed-up problematic lunatics incapable of a truly healthy relationship, unable to understand love the way we understand it, they’re not likable, they’re not sympathetic, they’re VILLAINS, yet they each are as close as the other will ever get to a positive human connection, only she could drive him to do something even slightly kind (saving her on Ferrix), only she could help him set much-needed boundaries with his mom, only he could make her enjoy seeing another person happy, only the loss of him could crack her usually-steel composure and bring her to tears, and with years and years of inability to do anything but reflect on her past in a prison cell ahead of her, she’s not going to be forgetting him anytime soon, perhaps she never will.

[colleybri]

Luthen and Love - thoughts re eps 1-3 of Andor season 2

Luthen Rael described here by Tony Gilroy in a clip from Rolling Stone magazine (25 April ‘25)

So here’s a crucial difference between Luthen and Cassian. Luthen has sacrificed love; Cassian opens himself up to love.

Despite being torn from his home and his roots Cassian grew up loved by Maarva and Clem, found a sibling-like closeness with Brasso and Bix and eventually (after years of on-again, off-again) romantic love with Bix too. Despite his “fear of being loved”, which stems from his fear of letting people down/leaving them behind as he did with his sister, he has “so much love to give” (Diego Luna, WGA interview)

Luthen believes in causing pain if he deems it necessary to bring about long-term change… this is the accelerationist mindset. To keep his vision pure and utilitarian, he deems it necessary to give up love and this clip shows he probably hates his operatives having romantic involvement that might be distracting or cloud their judgement. I wonder if this is anything to do with why Vel and Cinta appear to have separated in eps 1-3 of S2. Did Luthen deliberately drive them apart?

Cassian’s rekindled (in the gap between the seasons) relationship with Bix is probably something Luthen has tolerated up to now as it hasn’t noticeably interfered with his training and missions or his commitment to the rebellion. But as of Ep 3 Cassian has gone seriously off-piste, ignoring all protocol and the need for secrecy by flying a stolen TIE home to Mina Rau and causing highly visible mayhem in an attempt to save his loved ones.

We’re now going to jump a year, but I would dearly love to see a clash between these two and their very different philosophies on the Rebellion.

For Luthen, it’s about giving up love because love is dangerous for clear thinking in a revolution. For Cassian, it’s about experiencing love, committing to the revolution in the way that he is now able to commit in love. This is why I think Cassian will never become like Luthen… and that’s crucial for the two most important choices he makes in Rogue One: sparing Galen Erso and committing his trust to Jyn, dedicating himself to the cause through her for one final time for the sake of “someone else’s future”.

I think there’s trouble - danger, even - ahead for both of them. Luthen, for not taking more care of the people he should be caring about. Cassian, for his habit of going back for people even when it’s very unwise. And for worrying about those close to him all the time…

… even though that’s just love and there’s nothing you can do about that.

[david-lanndlord]

god these first 3 episodes of andor really hit me over the head all over again with how young and tragic leida is. when mon goes to comfort her and she calls stekan a child because he won't hold her hand, and yes that is pretty awful since they're about to get married, but also, that's what's on her mind. she just wants to hold his hand. because she's a child too. fuck

[animazi]

luke hull, the production designer of andor, says it is a very visually light show, and he’s not wrong, but it is deeply interesting to me how the brightest and lightest part of andor is the empire.  in most other star warses, the empire is depicted as, well, dark; it’s vader’s looming shadow, the grimly lit death star. the empire is a creature of malice and hatred, a Bad force led by the shadowy darkness of palpatine - the empire reflects its morals and character. this is an effective way of queuing in to an audience primed by a lifetime of light versus dark good versus bad metaphors the situation at hand; in anh the tantive is visually very white, vader brings a darkness (literally) in with him. the light in star wars is the rebellion - leia’s pure white dress, mon’s r1 and rotj garb, luke’s white outfit. they are the hope, and so they are the lightest points of the movie. the rebel hq is white, blindingly so - look, you get my point.  in andor, however, this is flipped. luthen’s fondor is often shadowy and greyish, mon gives her speech disavowing the empire a primarily grey colourscape, the radio tower to luthen on ferrix is dark, the backroom of the gallery is dark, but the empire is a blindingly sterile white again and again and again. narkina-5, the isb building, dedra’s flat. it’s a very deliberate brightness, one that contrasts with the more naturalistic lighting at play in rebel-led scenes and places; the imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. the empire has to continually signal its presence, has to continually signal what it claims to offer; Light, Order, Reason. it’s an inescapable brightness, a pervasive presence. you can retreat into the shadows but not the light.  and at the same time, that pretence is so deeply hollow! there’s a clinical aspect to the light of the empire, a constant oppressive artifice to it; it smothers mon in the embassy, isb uniforms and stormtrooper armour has to be perfectly smooth and pressed, in contrast to the aforementioned rebels. dedra’s torture of bix strips the bright and clinical facade away, revealing the empire not as a medical organisation, treating the illnesses of the galaxy, but as a cruel creature, fed by and greedy for the desire for power and control and harm that those that make it up embody. dedra and the false light of the empire are symbionts; in the light she must be composed (as the empire demands of its subjects), it is only in the dark that she can be vulnerable. the light is more intuitive than the dark, but that is the exact framing that andor’s empire relies upon. it is easier to comply than to resist, but that light is false and cold and will burn you in time.

[mswyrr]

"Kill me or take me in" is how Luthen met both Kleya and Cassian.

[padawan-snack-packer]

[TW: Andor season 2 spoilers, mild jedi critique (but nothing "too anti-jedi"), I swear lol. Also this is a long post]

I’m going through the Andor tags and just wanted to throw in my two cents—

I’m seeing a lot of people saying things like “This is why the galaxy needs the Jedi!!” especially in response to what almost happened to Bix, and look, I get it. I understand the feeling. You see someone you love, a character who’s already been through hell, nearly suffer something unspeakable, and you want to believe there’s a big shining hero somewhere who could have stopped it. I get wanting that.

Desperately.

But honestly — and I say this with so much love — I think that’s missing the point of Andor.

Bix doesn’t need a Jedi.

She needs the Empire to fall.

Just like so many people in the galaxy.

The existence of Jedi wouldn’t have saved her. They never saved "everyone". That’s part of the tragedy of the galaxy long before the Empire ever rose. The Jedi were never a cure for systemic evil — they were a bandage, stretched thin and fraying, over a wound that was already hemorrhaging underneath.

They couldn’t be everywhere. They couldn’t protect everyone. They were never meant to be an army, or the galaxy’s emergency hotline, like some kind of cosmic 911 with lightsabers. They were an order of monks trying to hold back the tide with their bare hands.

And, yeah — I know. They did do good. They saved people. They fought for peace, they fought for justice, and they believed in something bigger than themselves. I'm not denying that. The galaxy would have been a lot worse off without the Jedi trying to shield it for as long as they could.

But, we also have to be honest: sometimes their actions made things worse. The Jedi got pulled into the Clone Wars — and in doing so, they unintentionally dragged neutral systems and innocent worlds into conflict. They became generals in a war they were never supposed to fight. They stood next to the Senate while it crumbled into corruption. And sometimes, trying to help, they made choices that played right into the hands of the people trying to tear everything down.

And that’s the heartbreak of it.

They were good — but they were never enough.

Because no single order, no group of "heroes," could be enough to fix a galaxy that was rotting from the inside.

Expecting the Jedi to fix everything is kind of like saying "the Avengers could fix anything."

Like—sure, you can punch a big threat in the face. You can stop an alien invasion or a rogue AI or a mad titan. But you can't punch poverty. You can't swing a lightsaber at systemic oppression. You can't duel your way out of generational inequality, or the slow grinding violence of a society built to serve a few at the expense of everyone else. You can't stop politicians selling people out for profit with a Force push. You can't heal a galaxy bleeding out under decades of neglect and cruelty just by being "brave" or "good".

The roots of the problem go too deep. They're built into the very foundations.

And the tragedy of the Jedi is that for all their power, for all their wisdom and discipline and sacrifice, they were still operating inside a system that was already collapsing. They were caretakers in a house with a rotting foundation. And sometimes, in trying to hold the walls up, they made the cracks worse.

And that's what Andor is showing us with brutal clarity:

No Jedi sweeping in with a lightsaber is going to save Bix.

No wise Master is going to show up to make the pain go away.

No ancient code can fix an empire built on exploitation and cruelty.

The people suffering under the Empire don’t need a mythical savior.

They need the Empire to fall.

They need justice that doesn’t rely on someone being "special enough" to wield a lightsaber.

They need change built by ordinary hands, stubborn hearts, and impossible choices.

Andor doesn't say "We needed heroes with powers." It says "We needed the people who were already bleeding to choose to stand up. And die. And fight. And win."

It says no outside savior is coming. No prophecy is going to unfold neatly in your favor. No chosen one is going to sweep in and fix the brokenness for you.

It's going to be you. And it's going to cost you everything you have. And you might not even live to see it change. But you fight anyway.

Because the galaxy won’t be saved by miracles.

It’ll be saved by people who refuse to stop hoping, even when hope looks like madness.

Andor isn't a story about how "we need the Jedi back". It's a story about how we need each other — even when it costs everything.

This isn’t me being anti-Jedi, or pro-Sith, or anything like that.

This is coming from someone who adores Jedi. Someone who loves The Clone Wars with their whole heart. Someone who has cried over Ahsoka’s heartbreak, over Anakin’s fall, over Obi-Wan carrying a war he never asked for on his back.

But Andor shows us a different part of the galaxy. It shows us a galaxy where people don’t have magic powers. Where people don’t have lightsabers to cut a clean path through corruption and cruelty. Where they don’t have ancient prophecies telling them they're destined to save the world. Where they don’t have Chosen Ones. Where they don’t have plot armor.

They have only themselves.

Only their grief.

Only their anger.

Only their aching, stubborn love for the people around them.

Only their desperate choice to stand up, to survive, to resist — even when it costs them everything.

And that’s what makes it hurt so much more. Because these aren’t superheroes or legendary warriors. These are ordinary people — bakers, mechanics, fishers, smugglers, orphans, parents, farmers, pilots, factory workers — staring down a machine so massive it barely notices they exist. And somehow, despite how small they are, despite how doomed it feels, they choose to fight anyway.

They choose to matter. That’s the heartbreak.

And that’s the point.

Saying “Well, a Jedi could have saved her” is — lovingly — missing what the show is trying to carve into us with every agonizing scene.

There is no cavalry coming here.

There is no one coming with a lightsaber to cut down your oppressors.

There is only you, and the people you trust, and the terrifying, beautiful decision to say no more even when the galaxy wants to crush you into dust.

Bix isn’t waiting for a Jedi.

Cassian isn’t waiting for a Jedi.

Brasso isn’t waiting for a Jedi.

Mon Mothma isn’t waiting for a Jedi.

None of them are waiting for a Jedi.

They are surviving in spite of their absence.

They are building rebellion from broken pieces, bloody hands, and stolen breaths.

And that’s what makes it powerful.

That’s what makes Andor hit so hard it feels like it rips you open.

It says: no one is coming to save you. So you save yourselves. And you save each other.

And maybe that’s how you light the fire.

[psychomusic]

what i love about this scene is that. when davo says "that's the first untrue thing you said" he's wrong. she already lied about the charity foundation. and the fact that the two things she lied for are the rebellion and her daughter makes the scene even more tragic, since she'll have to pick one, even if she's shown to care so deeply about both that she'd lie for them

[takemetodragonstone]

I think some of you have forgotten that the main theme of andor is those who die for the rebellion. It’s about the ones who sacrifice everything, the people who “burn their lives to make a sunrise they know they’ll never see”. Just because a queer character dies too doesn’t suddenly make it a “bury your gays” situation. Why are we complaining about which characters “deserved happy endings”. Read the room

[rotzaprachim]

so the thing is that I’ve already vented a few of my thoughts on wheatfield force baby and how much I hate everything about it, but it really did draw my attention to some of the serious emotional potential around the issues of the children who already exist in the narrative, about parenthood and the emotional and physical responsibilities you have to your children, the “I’ll be worried all the time/that’s just love.” And it drew my eye in particular to the issue of “lost” girls, to the actually somewhat parallel shapes that Kerri and Leida cut in season 1, to something Lila says in the close out of the recently finished my brilliant friend tv series - io sto così perché ho perso mi figlia. Forse è viva, forse è morta, pero non riesco a sopportare nessuna delle due possibilitá. (Roughly: I am like this because I lost my daughter. Maybe she’s dead, maybe she’s alive, but I cannot survive either possibility.)

because that’s at the heart of the narrrative of both Kerri and Leida, in different ways - cassian who lost the younger sister who was implicitly forced on him to take care of, who was made his responsibility, for no fault of his own, and Mon who knowingly gives her daughter who in so many tiny ways has already been lost to the mere possibility of a rebellion, Mon who takes her daughter to her own living grave. The dual weight of cassian and mon’s very real Missing Daughter complexes could have been, if handled subtly, an absolutely fascinating and constantly quietly brutal through line to season 2 as they (cough the protagonists of this show cough not luthen cough) step into their roles as leaders of the rebel alliance and into not just killing but emotionally manipulating people and then being forced to live with the consequences of what they’ll do for the rebellion. How to handle the weight of his grief and his guilt Cassian has emotionally deluded himself into believing his sister is still alive or at least still findable and to handle the weight of hers Mon has deluded herself into believing her daughter is, on some level, already dead, or at least gone all along. But it can’t be survived, either option, like nothing else on this show can be survived. They never say this out loud, of course, either of them, but you could get the manipulative back and forth of cassian who believes for unstated Reasons that a man with a daughter is a great mark to manipulate because obviously he’d do anything to see her again, and Mon who thinks that’s a bad gamble to make because a lot of parents just don’t actually like their children that much. (There was also a lot to dig into the fact that Dedra meero is a girl who had been lost and had very much been found by the empire. She’s in this too. She’ll destroy them all.)

and then it made me realize how this is, actually, at the heart of the story, because in a very very real way mon mothma and cassian andor gamble the entire fate on the rebel alliance and the entire fate of the galaxy on the possibility that both saw gerrera and Galen erso would do absolutely anything to see their daughter again. Cassian may be all about hope but his hope is pragmatic - he, on some level, truly believes that both the leaders of a rival rebel cell his own isn’t on friendly terms with an an actual imperial officer will gamble their entire fates on the vague chance they might learn whether or not their adult daughter is alive. Both Galen and saw think she’s likely dead. But what if there’s a possibility they can survive that she isn’t? What if? What if?

and that’s what it’s all about, in the end. It’s about how no matter how much time has passed and how scarred and broken either of you is, you’ll do anything, anything at all, to see your daughter again. That’s what it’s about, tony gilroy, that’s the hope. If rogue one is about the woman that the girl who was lost became - and it is - then Andor is about two of the people who lost the girl. That’s the goddamn circle.

“i’m looking for a girl from kenari.”

“When was the last time you were in contact with your father?”

And the thing is. They gamble right.

[toastytrusty]

to elaborate on my last post abt leftist/non leftist takes in andor. the entire show has complex political storytelling None of it can be discussed solely through story archetypes of "good" and "evil." for example syril's character. he did not have a "redemption arc." you are not supposed to "forgive him." he is killed (by one of the people he oppressed!) because his actions are unforgivable and that is the narrative justice he deserves. the audience being encouraged to sympathize with him does not equate to him displaying "the good within evil."

the point of his character arc is that humanity does not survive under fascism. he is an antagonist, yes, but he is just as much a victim of the *real* enemy of the narrative (fascism!) as every other character in the show is. everyone suffers under fascism, even those who serve it. his individuality is stripped from him; he is conditioned to obey, to further the goals of his superiors, to place career ambitions over everything, all without questioning why. which leads him to participating in things he does not agree with. when he learns what's really happening on ghorman, his worldview is shattered. he was raised to believe the empire is infallible, and discouraged from developing his own opinions. but he does. he does, because he's human, and the people he meets there are human, and when he is faced with it, he cannot fathom the violence he has helped inflict upon them. that is his own tragedy, and a tragedy shared among the little people who serve at the behest of an imperial machine. when they realize how much damage they have done it's too late. it's not redemption, it's recognition. in an ultimate form, it would be acceptance. (think the imperial lieutenant double agent from the aldhani arc in s1. "you'll hang for this" "7 years serving you? i deserve worse than that") there is no good and evil dichotomy to be found here, no matter how nuanced you try and make it. andor is a show about victims, not heroes. you can't place the actions of characters in vacuums without reconizing that they are REactions, and everything they do is just as important as what is being done to them

[velvet4510]

Why The Andor Finale Does NOT Erase or Invalidate RebelCaptain

The Force, the universe, fate, destiny, whatever you wanna call it, split Cassian and Bix apart and brought Cassian and Jyn together. The baby (if you accept that the baby actually WAS Cassian’s) does not change that.

People split up and move on while co-parenting all the time. If Cassian had lived, of course he would’ve wanted to be part of his child’s life, but the ENTIRE story of Rogue One is him falling in love with Jyn and committing himself to her.

Plus who says Bix didn’t move on too? We only see one brief moment of her holding the baby. We didn’t see her home. We don’t know if she and the baby live alone, or if she’s found someone else. Or if in the future she WILL find someone else, perhaps another kind and noble farmer who will be there for her and the baby 24/7, like Cassian could never be, with whom she will find true love.

The tragedy of the finale is that Cassian never got to be a parent (again, IF that’s his baby), not that he was separated from Bix forever. The Force healer’s premonition is literally what made Bix realize she and Cassian could NOT be together - that their destinies were different. She was NOT “the place he needed to be.” Cassian’s entire destiny was completely tied to Jyn’s. Not Bix’s.

[colleybri]

The most terrible thing you can do on behalf of the Rebellion?

In Rogue One, Cassian has a monologue about how the volunteers for the mission to Scarif have all done terrible things for the cause, things that they could never forgive themselves for if they gave up now. I’ve always taken that line to mean the obvious kinds of wartime atrocities against the enemy. Cassian himself is clearly a very experienced assassin, even in the context of the film alone, and he is for much of the film actively deceiving the daughter of the man he is meant to be killing. Grim but necessary work.

But I think the series is now showing us that there are even worse things you can do, even if you are not on the front lines. ‘Everyone has their own rebellion’ as Vel said, and three of the most important women in the series are seen to do terrible things of a much more personal kind. Within their own families and to their own loved ones.

Mon throws Perrin under a bus with the gambling debt accusation to explain a gap in her financial record. She goes on to effectively betray her daughter too by conceding to the marriage deal. It’s complicated by Leida liking the idea but it’s still a terrible thing to do on behalf of the rebellion.

Maarva chooses the rebellion over running away from Ferrix with Cassian knowing that her choice will hurt him but hoping he will understand; he doesn’t. She wants him to get to a stage where he will understand but he needs the experience of Narkina 5 to get there, and then further experiences as an active rebel that he will carry forward towards his final destination, Messenger as he is, to be ‘an unstoppable force for good’. But Maarva will never see him again. I think she knows it. Her first encounter with Cassian is cruel to him in a different way. When he was a terrified boy on the crashed Kenari ship, she forcibly drugged him so that he wouldn’t resist being taken away from his home whatever and whoever he might have there. She was saving him, though. Rescuing him. But for what? She probably didn’t know back then or maybe ever but she was saving him for the galaxy. Still, it is a terrible thing being done, ultimately, for the rebellion.

A few years later, Bix also drugs Cassian (it’s deceptive rather than forced, she’s made him a special drink). This time it’s so that he will sleep through her departure and the recording of her message. She knows that if he is awake he will be able to change her mind. It’s so incredibly cruel and she’s clearly heartbroken, but it’s necessary to get him on track for where he needs to be. She too is doing a terrible thing for the rebellion.

I think I find Bix’s choice the most devastating of all, because it’s a sacrifice that took a personal betrayal of the man she has loved, in various ways, since they were children. She even acknowledges her cowardice in not telling him to his face. Giving up the love of her life is a sacrifice that required her to be ruthless and the choice to leave a message in this particularly cruel way shows how profoundly it hurt her too.

So I no longer take the line in Rogue One to only refer to things like killing people, though that’s obviously a huge part of it.

It’s also about being manipulative, deceptive, treacherous and cruel to those you love.

For the greater good.

[david-lanndlord]

immediate unfiltered andorposting following the drop of s2 ep1-3, i literally finished watching ep 3 five minutes ago

1st thought: AAAAAAAAAAA

2nd thought: this son of a bitch did it again. there was leftist jungle infighting and toxic displays of unimaginable wealth and illegal refugee farm workers in space saskatchewan and the most stressful spaceship malfunctions known to man and the most vomit-inducing mutually supportive (evil femdom?) fascist power couple and horrifically tragic yet utterly banal major character death and matrilineal dysfunction the likes of which the world has never before seen at the underage child wedding and I WILL NEVER RECOVER. tony gilroy when i GET you

3rd thought: I'm gonna need to let this percolate over the course of days and weeks and I will be vibrating until the next set of episodes drops but... just, The Patriarchy of it all. The fact that I knew as soon as that horrible officer approached Bix what he was going to try to do. Mon's helplessness and complicity in what's happening to her daughter, speaking up too late and then being completely undone by her coldness reflected back at her. jesus christ.

anyway I will be freaking out into the wee hours now. god bless