#but theres a difference between that and acting like cis people who dont experience sga are somehow lgbt

[llycaons]

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[lunarjustice]

so many people have moved from “cishet aces online have been acting homophobic” to “if youre ace youre not lgbtq” likeeee you. you. simply cannot generalize that much. you cant. there are many lgbtq ace/aro spectrum people & like...... Not Being SGA does not immediately mean theyre not a sexual minority........? of course if someone is not sga/trans they cant use the word queer & they cant discuss homophobia/transphobia or consider themselves on the same level but you cant. you cant just kick every ace person out on the curb like that. like? this is a more complex issue than just Us vs Them. obviously a lack of attraction is not the same thing as “different” attractions but lgbtqia+ has always been for minority gender & sexual identities

it doesnt make sense to me to exclude people on a minority identity spectrum, who often intersect with lgbtq, any more than it makes sense to create separate communities for mono & poly sexualities. being gay & being trans are very different concepts but were still in the same community because issues of sex & gender are so conflated. in the same way, the way you experience attraction or dont like.. is pretty connected to other sexual identities actually

i get that they arent all sga & they cant all call themselves queer but to just cut it down the middle like that leaves many people hanging between the two? you cant just hear “ace” & assume theyre also cishet. you guys have got to understand that human identity is more complex than that. i know more “true” lgbtq ace or aro people than cishet ace people, personally.  sga ace/aro people exist, & so do trans ace/aro people

im demisexual which is like.. Both sga & ‘technically’ ace. putting aside my gender identity, if you were to say that because demi is considered part of the ace spectrum im no longer lgbtq that would be straight up wrong. like im literally in a gay relationship. theres no way you can sit there & tell me because my sexuality falls on the ace spectrum that excludes me from being queer automatically. the two terms are not mutually exclusive, yet this whole argument is taking place upon the assumption that they are & cannot exist together

(i refuse to use the word allosexual because of how homophobic ace people have practically been using it as a slur but) people who arent on the ace spectrum seem to all be assuming “oh well lack of attraction is completely normal so they arent lgbtq.” like... no? thats the whole point, most people dont lack attraction. thats why.. its a minority identity. of course its not on the same level of homophobia, & people who cry “aphobia” are often homophobic as well as stupid, but they still are very much a sexual orientation minority. which is the globally accepted meaning of the lgbtqia+ community

giving cishet aces a place in the community or not is a point of contention which i understand both arguments for, & i am not trying to take a stand on cishet ace identity right now. i actually dont care all that much. i care because non-ace people have been taking the argument about 10 steps too far & saying that anyone who identifies as ace/aro cannot be in the community or be lgbtq+

none of this is an excuse for blatant homophobia & transphobia coming from cishet aces. that is unacceptable, & adds to the hatred & violence that sga & trans people face in their lives, both online & irl. but in the same way that transphobia from cis gay men does not define every gay person, it would be reckless to base your ace spectrum exclusion arguments on cishet aces alone. there are many more of us than just them, & many of us are also rightfully part of the lgbtq+ community. so the next time anyone goes to say that ace people arent lgbtq, i would ask that you take a moment to consider exactly who would be included under that label