#chunchan

[palaceoftears]

I can't help but enjoy the Wei Yanwan-Jin Zhong-Chunchan absurdly evil team, the writting pushed all the limits to create the most hateful characters ever and guess what? They didn't achieve it

[mihotose]

ah, miyutan! ^-^

[zykamiliah]

#PIDW!Mobing is more proof that Mobei-Jun is a bottom#not bc he's Binghe's underling but bc PIDW!Binghe is unquestionably a top#he wouldn't trust anyone enough to top him tell me im wrong

@fireandgrimstone i'm stealing your tags to initiate top/bottom discourse irt: bingge

while bingge has unquestionably topped hundreds of people (and defeat in battle hundreds more, which could be seen as metaphorical topping) what if............................. the boy wants to be topped? cherished? taken care of by someone?

like the reason he tried to do sqq was because he'd read Regret of Chunchan and we know what's that like. But imagine the book had been something different, bingge being topped by sqq for example?

not that that would be easy for mobing, mbj being....... like that, but i do wonder, if as you say, bingge hasn't allowed himself to be vulnerable with anyone, what if he did...

[guzhuangheaven]

I'm the same anon from the Yongyan question in the novel.

In the novel is Wei Yanwan taken down by her own servants as in the drama or it's different?

Thank you (•‿•)

I forget the details but in the novel, after Ruyi dies, Hailan and Meiruo secretly investigated Yanwan's deeds but I don't think it's specifically stated how so Yanwan's servants are not really involved in the whole deal.

(Ah never mind, after he was told of Yanwan’s deeds, Qianlong questioned Chunchan who confirmed it all. By the time, everyone else who helped Yanwan had died and Chunchan just went, oh fuck I’m next so I might as well just tell the emperor the truth.)

[zykamiliah]

Saw the Bingge vs Bingmei post and was starkly reminded of why I do not like Bingge, nor do I want him to get a SY of his own. Because his response to finding a kind SQQ who tended to his wounds and brushed his hair and cared for him, was to attempt to RAPE him. First by deception (because he damn well knew that SQQ was mistaking him for Bingmei), and when that was found out, by force. If Bingmei hadn’t returned there and then, he would’ve succeeded.

heeeeeey I've been meaning to answer this but I've been really busy lately

So! *takes the binghe brainrot out of her head, sets it on a box; puts the box in the freezer* Setting aside the fact that Bingge has indeed raped and dubcon-ed other people, as per Airplane's design, and that this has been so normalized it barely escapes Sqq's criticism until he's literally and confronted with Bingge's violence on a personal level... I think we should try to see the situation from his pov.

(Of course I'm not absolving him from his faults! But since we often offer SJ the courtesy of understanding where he comes from I think Bingge deserves the same)

Bingge is thrown into a parallel universe where the women he thinks of as his wives treat him with friendly but distant formality, where people that died in his timeline are alive, and the Shizun that tormented him, abused him and allowed others to bully him is caring in a way he's never known, and most of all a way that he'd never ever expect the original Shen Qingqiu to act. The same Shizun he took his revenge on already.

Later he reads Resentment of Chunchan, which iirc depicts Bingqiu in very kinky and dub-con situations. LMY's porn is hardcore guys. (not blaming her!) And I don't suppose he thought Binghqiu's relationship was exactly as depicted in RoC but it was a piece of the puzzle this strange Shizun posed. Ah, of course this version of his Shizun is nice to him, he's his lover. So he proceeds to act on this new knowledge.

I thinks this is because 1) this is the only way he knows about how to interact with people: they are either enemies, subordinates or those he can seduce into his harem(and by seduce I also mean rape, in the reasoning that he "making them "have a good time" will seduce them/make them "fall in love" with him, using whatever means he has at his disposal, which include deception and blood parasites); 2) this is his hateful shizun, or at least an alternate version of the same man and 3) [but not less important] Bingge has no moral code or compass to guide him in life during his formative years. All he knew was that the strong can bully the weak, that you can push down someone and have your way with them, because if you give them pleasure they'll eventually submit to you (thank you for that, Qin Wanyue) and that power is everything. His mother's teachings sadly were left behind, a consequence of all the abuse and violence he went through.

And even at the peak of his power, with riches and a harem and entire ream at his feet, he still is not happy. He's a cruel man with a cruel way of thinking and perceiving the world because it's the only thing he's known.

Bingmei would be the same as him if Shen Yuan hadn't transmigrated and educated him, if he hadn't give him a moral standard and values to follow (those of his caring shizun). He turns the Old Palace Master into a human stick and if you ask him he'll describe in vivid detail how he'd torture anyone who dared to touch a hair of his dear Shizun's head.

And since Bingge is no longer just a book protagonist and MXTX loves dishing karma to her characters, Bingge gets this: see all you've accomplished? It's worth nothing, because you have no one to love you and care for you the way those two (bingqiu) do for each other.

In an AU, i don't think he'd be able to get Shen Yuan to fall in love with him by coercing or manipulating him into a relationship. I love the ones where he's forced into introspection, forced to change at least some of his ways.

I don't have my mind made up about this topic 100%; sometimes I think Bingge is unforgivable, others he still deserves a chance to find love and happiness. Part of me thinks he doesn't want a Shen Yuan, but was struck with need at the idea of having a kind Shizun, something he was deprived off as a child and teen. If that's the case, what would attract him about Shen Yuan but the possibility of him being that Shizun? And another question: would Shen Yuan fall in love with Bingge once he gets to know him for real? Would he feel the same disconnect Sqq felt by the end of the novel?

what do you guys think? I'd love to read your thoughts :D

almost forgot! *takes the binghe brainrot out of the freezer* thank you anon! feel free to send a reply to my asks, I'd love to read your thoughts too ❤️

[zykamiliah]

Those beautiful Daoist nun triplets were pestering a person with sweet and gentle words. In fact, it was a person who wore a veil, looked cool and elegant, and radiated an atmosphere of integrity: Liu Mingyan.

(...) He sent two more side glances at them and only heard those three sisters say coquettishly, “Good Sister, Good Master, Good Senior, please give us an autograph.”

“We went through so much difficulty to meet the author. Please leave us a momento.”

“Is it truly to be discontinued, with no further reprints?”

EXCUSE ME SVSSS TUMBLR, why is NO ONE talking about this??

"coquettishly" fangirling all over Liu Mingyan,

COQUETTISHLY

Friendly reminder that this 3 will then go to write a bingqiu book LONGER than resentment of chunchan. It amuses me to think that they went "well if the author will not write more then we have to take over" good for them GOOD FOR THEM

I wish they had names orz

[guzhuangheaven]

Was Chunchan actually tortured by Rongpei and Yexin?

No they kidnapped her for two reasons: 1) to threaten her about what Yanwan might do to her once she outlived her usefulness and 2) to get Yanwan suspicious enough to try and kill Chunchan. 

So the idea was they got Chunchan realising that she (Chunchan) knew too much about Yanwan’s crimes, and if there was ever a time when Yanwan feels like she needs to kill people to keep her secret, Chunchan would be first in line. 

But also because they detained Chunchan for so long, Yanwan also got paranoid that Chunchan had started to blab, and that triggered Yanwan into giving Chunchan the poisoned lipstick before sending Chunchan out so she wouldn’t die of poisoning in the palace. Then of course when she collapses, Jiang Yubin “just happened” to be walking by. 

So it was a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy play.

[guzhuangheaven]

Legend of Ruyi 如懿传 ft a peacock from Xian Fu Gong, Hui Guifei, Gao Xiyue’s residence.

Top: Lancui, Zhang Chan, Chunchan - Ling Fei Wei Yanwan’s servants

Bottom: Moxin, Shuangxi, Jingxuan - Hui Guifei’s servants