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Aaaaaand I have contam. I was looking through the tray of spawn jars, trying to figure out if the BPOs were gonna take off when I noticed these darks spots. When I brought them into the light, they started looking green. I don't usually have contam issues with my spawn jars, but every now and then I run into them. It's no big deal. I have six other BPO jars going with no issues currently. That'll be enough for two subs. If they perform well, I'll clone the culture and start the whole process over again.
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mushroomadventures1087 · 10 months
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I've been pretty busy this morning. Yesterday, I sterilized my agars and poured them into plates and test tubes. I also prepped my spawn jars for sterilization.
This morning, I sterilized the jars and inoculated the plates and tubes with cultures.
Here are the spawn jars after pulling them from the PC:
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Here are the plates I inoculated:
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And here are the tubes I inoculated:
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A few notes about the agar, tubes, and where the cultures came from...the agar recipes that I used for this test were PDA, MECA, and DFA. I filled six tubes and six plates with each recipe.
The tubes are filled >75% full of agar and a bamboo skewer cut to the length of the tube was inserted in each tube.
I inoculated the tubes and plates with five different cultures (so obviously there would be two species that were inoculated twice). One of the cultures (blue oyster) came from one of the spawn jars from X01, and the other cultures came from spawn that I placed into cold storage months ago. These were oysters as well. They were pathfinder, pink, golden, and pearl.
The blue oyster from the new spawn was very clean, fluffy, and full, a very pleasing sight with no distinguishable scent.. The same was true for the pearl, golden, and pathfinder oysters from cold storage. The interesting culture was the pink oyster from cold storage. When I opened it up, I was happy to find the mycelium very clean and pearly white. However, I was greeted with a very peculiar smell. The pink oyster spawn gave off a very sweet alcoholic smell. Very odd. It makes me wonder if maybe the grain fermented over time, but I can't be entirely sure. I'll keep a note of this oddity just in case something happens to the culture as it grows out in each stage.
Also, apologies for the picture quality. I'm not much of a picture guy, so...
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Well, it seems my COTW has stalled. This was a HWFP/grass mix spawn jar, so I'm thinking the moisture content is off because of the grass. I have a few pearl oyster jars with the same mix that have also stalled. I might use them in their own separate subs, just in case there's any contamination brewing in them. As for this COTW, I might need to go for a 100% WBS spawn, since I'm able to dial in the moisture content pretty well on those. I don't know if this particular jar will do anything else. It may go into a HWFP sub, just for shits and giggles. If something happens, awesome! If not, oh well. It's all a part of the process. I love being able to experiment.
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mushroomadventures1087 · 10 months
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Sorry for the long delay. I've been busy...but I wanted to post a picture of one of the recycled spawn jars:
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That's fully colonized. It took two weeks for these jars to colonize. Pretty impressive! I guess as along as the old grain hasn't contaminated yet, you can resoak, sterilize, and use as spawn again! I am curious about how they would work if they were contaminated...maybe I'll try that out in the future.
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Here are the plates I poured and inoculated on 04/07. BPO on the left, COTW on the right.
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The top-right plate in the COTW picture shows some orange growth all over the plate. The same contam is growing in the bottom-right plate in the BPO picture. When I opened the lid of the container that I had the COTW plates stored in, I was hit by a very foul, rancid smell. It was that orange contam. Funnt enough, the BPO has one plate with that contam on it, but it didn't smell nearly as bad.
As you can see, the COTW is producing some very fluffy white myc. There's a couple other places with some contam, but they're slow growing. I'm gonna leave them there for maybe another week and see what happens.
The BPO plates are the main issue. Nothing on any of those plates resemble myc in any way, shape, or form. Everything looks like some kind of pale contam. I'm not well versed on identifying contam on plates, but I know none of it is myc.
So it would appear that my BPO LC is dead. I have a couple more BPO LCs that I'll eventually test. The only other source I have for this culture is the test tubes I have in cold storage. I'm gonna leave those alone for now. I'll eventually plate those as well, but I think I'll do so on an "as needed" basis instead of plating and making LCs out of every culture all at once. It might be a bit of a hassle, but it'll force me to practice my sterile technique in front of the LFH.
I had to order more plates this past weekend. I got a box of 100 coming this week, so this weekend I may be making up a bunch of BPO plates. I'm also probably gonna test my golden oyster LCs because of the color of the liquid in the syringes. It might be nothing, but I wanna check that I'm not gonna have the same issue with them that I have with the BPO.
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I inoculated all these jars a couple days ago. Half are blue oyster and the other half are king oyster. These might be a little slow in taking off, since it's getting warmer by the week down here. Blue oysters like cooler temps, and I've had more failures than successes with king oysters. I can't nail down what I'm doing wrong with them, but I suspect it might be temp related. We'll see.
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Here are the plates I inoculated on 04/07. COTW is on the left, BPO on the right. The COTW seems to love that DFA, but the BPO doesn't seem to be colonizing very well. I'm gonna be keeping an eye on them though. FIngers crossed I start to see myc before any contam starts to establish itself.
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Big post...
I worked on some agar plates today. The LFH worked beautifully. Fourteen black pearl oyster plates and five COTW plates.
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I went with the DFA recipe, since it was successful with the cultures last time: 10g powdered dog food, 10g agar powder, 0.65g honey, and 500mL of water. I also threw in about a gram of finely powdered carbon instead of using food coloring. I figured the white mycelium growing against a black background would contrast much better than the standard blue I always went with. The pic above shows the BPO plates on top of the COTW plates.
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The dog food I used was some old, stale kibble that I had left over from months ago. I ground it up a bit and tossed it in the oven to make it bone dry. A little side note for anyone looking to do this: find some way to dry the dog food outside. You don't want that smell in your house. Ask me how I know...
While I was waiting for the agar to cool after PCing, I went through my culture fridge and found a few plates I had forgotten about, as well as the test tube cultures I made last summer.
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I'm surprised that the plates look so good. You can see a couple of the actually started pinning in the back of the fridge. The pearl oyster plate has some weird looking growth on it as well. Very interesting. I'll have to get some more petri dishes and clone these plates to see if they're still viable.
The test tube cultures are another story. Opening those boxes was like opening a pack of Skittles. There's every color of the rainbow growing in those things. Funny enough, the golden oyster tubes were the only ones that showed 100% mycelial growth (see the picture on the left below). I didn't see a lick of contam in any of them. I can't say the same for the other cultures, as you can see from the pic on the right:
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Also, more bad news about the BPO spawn jars. Out of eight jars, I have only two left. The rest were contam.
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As you can see in that pic, even the myc wasn't strong enough to compete against the contam. This is why I wanted to run some plates of the BPO LC syringe I used. The LC looks clear with bits of myc floating around in it, but there's gotta be something else going on with it. We'll see once those plates start growing out.
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Finished my laminar flow hood. It was a lot of work. She ain't much to look at, but damn, can she put out some air. This will help when I work with agar. Instead of dealing with the cramped space of the still-air box, this will allow me to work in a larger space without my hands being constricted by a box. I'll still use the SAB to store my plates when I've finished inoculating them under the LFH, but I won't be doing any more culture work in it. I'll probably work on some cultures tomorrow.
Now I need a beer...
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Here's a chart I made up from the data I collected from my fruiting chamber meter. This is from around noon on 03 April to noon on 04 April. Ignore the jumbled up title. I forgot to erase all that. I just opened everything up as layers in GIMP and merged them together.
Anyways, you can see how often the exhaust fan and humidifier turns on by the humidity line. From each peak, the fan turns on and sucks out the moisture. Once it reaches the first "shelf" on the downturn, I believe that's when the humidity probe from the Inkbird controller detects the RH% dropping below 83%, which is the minimum threshold I have it set at. Of course there's a difference in the RH% levels between the Inkbird controller and the humidity meter that I pulled all this data from.
Back to the "shelf"...the fan runs for two minutes before shutting off. As the air is settling from the turbulence, the humidity is also settling. The graph shows the humidity continuing to drop, even after the fan has stopped. The humidifier continues to run until the controller detects an RH% of 95%.
Funny to see no significant drops in CO2 while the fan is running. It's also interesting to see how it drops during the evening and night. Of course, I work at night, so I'm sure having only one breathing organism around the meter at night helps keep the concentration down. I do believe that my meter is to blame for all this broken data. I don't think it's a sensitive-enough CO2 meter. I will be looking into a more high-grade and dedicated meter for this. I will do the same for the RH% meter. It'll be a little more to keep up with, but as long as the data becomes more accurate, I'm more than willing to do it.
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The picture above shows a WBS spawn jar inoculated with black pearl oyster LC. It's just a day bhind the COTW jars that I inoculated on the same day (03/30). From the reading I've done on the BPO, they can tolerate temps a bit higher than most other oysters (aside from the pink oysters), which is great for me since the temps in my growing room have been a bit higher than normal this time of year. The forecast shows the temps dipping a bit this week, starting tomorrow. Maybe that'll speed up the spawn.
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The pictures above are the three subs I inoculated with the last of my pearl oyster spawn. They were inoculated on 03/27, so I'm pretty pleased with their progress, in spite of the temps. I suppose pearls can tolerate higher temps as the myc colonizes its sub. The pics on the left and middle are 100% HWFP, both 4534g in weight. The pic on the right is a 50:50 grass:HWFP sub, also 4534g in weight. The volume is different only because of the grass. There's much larger air pockets in the 50:50 sub.
I've been posting updates on all the spawn jars and sub buckets a lot lately. Now if I can just get the damn things to fruit! The one sub I have in the fruiting chamber still shows only myc growth, but no pins yet. Ugh...
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A pint WBS spawn jar that I inoculated with COTW two days ago. I also inoculated the other jars with black pearl oyster LC two days ago, but none of them show any signs of growth just yet. I thought this was interesting just how quickly this species started to colonize. It's been a little warmer than usual in my growing room, so I wonder if that played a large role in this growth...
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I got the WBS packed and PCd today. Nothing spectacular. I was cutting it close to the time I needed to leave for work, but I was able to get them all PCd. I'll be inoculating them tomorrow. I have around ten jars done, so I think eight of those will be for the black pearl oysters, and the other two will be for COTW.
Another update on the fruiting chamber. Where do I even begin...I've come home after work to find that the humidifier has been running all night and hasn't been keeping the chamber at the appropriate RH%. I had to make a few minor adjustments to get back in business, so I'm gonna have to figure out how to prevent that from happening again. I like tweaking everything, but I hate being away when things go haywire.
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The pictures shown above show the side and top-down view of one of the last 50:50 grass:WBS spawn jars. This is a pearl oyster spawn jar. As you can see, the myc is very thick. It was hard breaking it up to add to the sub. The yellow liquid seen in the top-down picture is metabolites and waste products produced by the myc as it breaks down the material in the jar. It's harmless and pretty common.
I finished using all of the pearl oyster jars, creating three subs. One of them is a 50:50 mix of grass and HWFP, and the other two are 100% HWFP. I didn't have anymore grass chopped up small enough to use. Plus, I'd have to do an MC test on the grass, which I didn't have the time to do. I'll be chopping up a large batch of grass this weekend and storing it away until I get ready to use it.
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The picture above shows how I start my WBS spawn jars. The material above is just the cheap, off-brand 20lb bag of WBS from Walmart. $20 for 20lb isn't bad, being that it can go a long ways. Here's some pictures of it, in case anyone reading this may be interested:
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I'll let the mix sit in the water for 24hrs, drain, pack into jars, and PC. Once they cool down enough, I'll inoculate with LC. Since I have four pearl oyster subs, I'll give the black pearl oyster mushrooms a shot.
Since I'm info-dumping here, might as well give an update about the fruiting chamber. Since I redesigned it and made it more airtight, I've been having FAE issues. The humidity would stay pretty level at around 93%, but the CO2 concentration would get as high as 1800ppm. I bought a draft blocker used for clothes dryers and placed it on the opposite end of the fan. I also drilled some holes in the shelves to give the entire chamber better airflow from the top down. Now, that's helped a TON with the CO2. I installed that draft blocker on Sunday, and the data shows that the CO2 dropped to an average of 1000ppm. Still a little higher than I'd like it to be, but definitely a huge improvement.
But there's a balancing of the scales going on here. While the CO2 improved, each time the fan turns on, the humidity drops. During the 3min period that the fan runs, the humidity drops around 15%. The Inkbird humidity controller is set to keep the chamber within a threshold of 80% to 95%. So every time the fan turns on, the humidifier has to turn on as well.
I added a tray of perlite on the shelf to see if that would provide any kind of sustained humidity even after the fan turns on. I also changed the fan timer. It was initially set to run for 3min every 20min. I changed it to 1min every 14min. Hopefully that will help keep the humidity high while not allowing the CO2 to build up too much. If that doesn't work, I may have to drill some more holes in the shelves. Either that or I may remove the draft blocker and install a second fan that imports air from outside the chamber to the inside. If that works well enough to force more oxygen into the chamber and drop the CO2 levels even more, I may change the timer to run for 1min every 20 or 30min. I dunno yet. I'm thinking too far ahead.
For now, I'll let the chamber run for a couple days without any kind of interference from me. I have an Inkbird air quality meter running in there which can collect and send data to my phone, which I can the export in .csv format. I'll see about posting it here.
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Update on the sub. Like I said in the last post, when I drilled these holes, the myc had not yet colonized that far down. I placed it in the fruiting chamber anyways.
After checking on it this morning, as you can see in the pictures above, the myc has reached the bottom, though I don't know if it's colonized the center. Regardless, I assume it should start fruiting in the next week or so.
In the meantime, I've been mixing up more subs with the same ratio (60:20:20 water:grass:HWFP). I'll be mixing in more pearl oyster spawn, though not at such a high rate as the sub above. The spawn that I'll be using for these new subs are fully colonized WBS jars.
I've also finished making my steaming pasteurizer. I'll be running some tests on it with a run of sub bags. This will make the mixing of the sub materials and water a lot easier without having to worry about pasteurizing it all at the same time. I'll be able to mix the sub together, divide into bags, pasteurize, spawn, seal, and store. The more "streamlined" I can get the entire process, the better.
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I don't remember how many days it's been since I started this sub. I wrote the date down on a post it note, but now I can't find it. Ugh...anyways, as you can see, the mycelium is happy and thriving. It's very white and thick. The yellow liquid puddles are enzymes that the myc is producing to help break down the sub material. And just like last time, no matter how gross it looks, the scent is wonderful. Very sweet, floral, almost like a light perfume.
I placed it in the fruiting chamber and drilled two holes down at the bottom. However, it didn't look like the myc had fully colonized it yet. I'll still keep it in the fruiting chamber. That way once it's fully colonized, it can go straight to fruiting.
I'm gonna start experimenting a bit with different ratios of grass and HWFP to see what each oyster strain prefers. Of course, the substrate recipe calculator I made is gonna be very useful when I start crunching the numbers.
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Here's the link to the substrate recipe calculator:
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