#dream discourse

[quacksunny]

Tubbo has been one of the few people to show Dream any grace in this situation, so for Dream to continuously prove that he only sees Tubbo as an extension of Tommy is actually insane. Tubbo should be allowed to cuss him out.

[itsmendak]

dream claiming that tommy had a literal editor sweatshop making less than minimum wage tommy’s editors in question coming to his defence, sharing the unedited messages dream altered in the video and providing evidence tommy cares about paying editors well:

(please reblog with tags, thanks!)

[th3-c0ll3ct3r]

I love the HermitCraft community

[deepcoraldragon]

List of ccs publicly supporting Tommy & Tubbo

(or who just spoke out against Dream in general. or both.) as of jan 13

I haven’t seen a list on here yet so here goes (I def forgot some people, and I’m missing a few screenshots but this took foreverrr)

Content creators explicitly siding with clingyduo

Jack

AverageHarry

Ranboo

Phil

Sneegsnag

MaxGGs (could not pick a favorite tweet)

Aimsey

Kwite

SophieTexas

ConnorEatsPants

Krinios

a6d

Bitzel (not that we’re surprised)

Ludwig apparently

RosannaPansino

KyleEff

Dean Withers, coming out of left field

Molly (melinks)

Its_blarg

Mysticat

ItsZoil I think

Michael McChill

Content creators who didn’t say anything explicitly but we can read between the lines

HannahRose

Quackity (idgaf undefeated champion)

Shelby Shubble (see Phil)

Vikkstar

People who aren’t ccs but still get an honorable mention

Sarah Simons (Tommy’s mom)

Rue (Tommy’s old roommate)

Ady Manifold

Andi (Punz's ex) (I had to cut the post, sorry)

And that's everyone I can think of rn! Please add on if I forgot someone, if new people speak out, or if you have more screenshots to share!

Edit: here's the updated version from jan 20th, and the summary list

[calliopeslyre]

[mag-101]

Goodmorning I am back in the fucking building again

[mangobubbletea7]

Can I also say that often, the women of the DSMP would often get way more criticism than the male creators would get.

We had Hannah getting attacked for saying “sus” in her stream title because she was doing “cultural appropriation” when it had been an internet wide meme for months and many of the men on the server made the same exact jokes. Then when she got upset because she had just been trying to mess around on the server for a fun stream, people accused her of “using white women’s tears” … She got criticized for winning the elytra wings for I don’t even remember what reasoning.

We had Niki cut out of the main plot for months when Wilbur basically just forgot about her character and when she finally carved out her own niche in the story, her character got visceral hate for months because she was playing a role against Tommy and trying to help create conflict for the story. ALSO PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY STILL MISSPELLING HER NAME TO THIS DAY. HER NAME IS 4 LETTERS LONG AND WE ARE THE FANDOM THAT LEARNED HOW TO SPELL L’MANBURG

We had Puffy blowing up Tommy’s house because he took down L’Targay, and then people Freaked Out about it because a few lines had been said about her being his therapist and because his character was still in conflict with Dream, Puffy was being evil to him and apparently no one else was allowed to do any kind of conflict with Tommy because of it. Another time Tommy was stirring up some conflict and stole Puffy’s axe and of course because she didn’t just let him have the axe (which wouldn’t have been good content) she got criticized. Because she was a therapist, if she ever treated Tommy with anything but perfect kid gloves, she got actual hate. We’re not even talking about how her character was SO often just reduced to “caring motherly therapist” when if you watched her for any amount of time you knew that she was chaotic as all hell and nothing like that.

[jjkyaoi]

it’s very levelheaded and honestly so respectable of tommy’s response to be so calm. and for him to end it with encouraging dream to get help and telling him that he doesn’t always have to keep doing things like this/being like this, when everything dream was throwing out there at him and accusing him of i wouldn’t have blamed him for responding 10x more aggressively to. dream was painting him as this legitimate villain that had orchestrated every single bad thing in his life, and holding vague blackmail over his friends heads, and he just departed with nice advice. if that doesn’t tell you everything abt what’s going on here idk what will

[apol]

This is so funny yall

There's people out there getting into the dream smp bc of this mess

10/10

[salemoleander]

(original comic)

[shitposting-fox]

[ibeforeebutnotafterc]

"Ludwig's a credible source I don't know if his friend is, she might not be" remember how he wanted examples of his sexism? yeah right there. Ludwig's credible but his female friend? Nah can't possibly be

[itsmendak]

RETURN OF BUFFBO CHAT

[galatoma]

I appreciate Tubbo on stream right now talking about the Dream r slur tweet and emphasizing the difference between using the slur as reclamation vs. using a slur against others as an insult. He used the example of if he called himself fag vs if he called someone he didnt know a fag, and how it's especially not reclaimable when being used to insult an entire community, let alone even one person. i think it's a very important distinction to make and explain to your audience, especially in light of how flippantly dream used it. He's live right now talking more extensively about it, and his relation to such discussions as a person with dyslexia if you want to hear more about it.

[krisgoatpher]

[quacksunny]

i think quackity and tommy should keep using the situation to promote their projects actually, in fact i think they should milk it until they cant anymore