#dsmp lore analysis

[10piecechickenmcnugget]

Okay i NEEEED to rant about Pogtopia because I know it was a ravine and shit but I need people to consider: lava caves

(all photos taken by me cause I explored one the other day and that’s where I got this idea)

Lava caves or lava tubes are HUGE super long caves that were carved out by literal lava flows and now just sit there and they’re cool as fuck

they’re cold as shit and the roof can vary from being dozens of feet above your head to being so low you have to crouch

there’s piles of rocks and ice formations and sand gardens and they are PITCH BLACK if you don’t have any lights and they paths can be crazy wide or super narrow and the ground is full of drop offs

ones that are made for people to explore have railings and stairs in certain places too and some even have built in lights or like the one I explored let you rent a flashlight

also a fun sidenote the ground is super hard packed sand full of holes from water dripping and it’s so hard packed that you don’t leave footprints (this would not help with Wilbur’s derealization)

anyways I think this would all work SUPER well for pogtopia cause cold/dark/shifting atmosphere/adding railings and pathways is already a thing in pogtopia

some more images that I yanked from google:

anyways PLEASEEEE consider spreading my vision Pogtopia lava cave/tubes for the win I’ve never been more right about anything in my life

[hopalongfairywren]

The egg as a concept was super neat, especially for a narrative so character motive driven. Like what do you want more than anything else, so desperately that you would forfeit your autonomy, your morals, your life for an uncertain offer by an eldritch plant/fungus/god/velvet. What even makes you you after such a long time being puppeted by such a malevolent deity. Did you loose your humanity? If you were willing to sacrifice your morals for a bargain- an untrustworthy one at that, did you have much to begin with? Should people who commit crimes under the influence of something much larger than themselves be held accountable for any atrocities they commit? If so to what extent? How much is it your responsibility? How much is it the responsibility of those around you who failed to prevent the harm you inflicted in any serious measure? Is it simply human nature to blame someone else for your misfortunes? Is ending the whole world and killing like nine people worth it so you can keep your codependent gay situationship afloat? It's such a shame the dsmp fandom will just look these themes dead in the fucking eye and proceed to explore them in literally every arc and character BESIDES Egg lore, and anyone involved in it.

[fernflowerss]

Can we PLEASE talk about the parallel between

Wilbur's "Then let's be the bad guys" and

Tommy's "I don't want to be the bad guy"

[cobble-cas]

Thoughts on the Finale

Honestly as someone who watched Tubbo’s POV of the finale first it was sad and tragic, but not too unfairly so. C!Jack appearing and their interactions together were fire. Tubbo having to talk himself into flicking the lever? Banger. The nuke effects? Cool as fuck. cc!Tubbo went so fucking hard that stream as he has in the others, pouring his heart into every moment. When I had watched this stream I was sad but largely alright with the ending. Would I have loved L’Moonberg clingyduo happy ending more? Of course. But this was fine.

Then I watched Tommy’s perspective. I thought he was just talking whatever to keep c!Dream and c!Punz occupied. But then the death happened. And the execution of the ‘c!Tommy gains insight into c!Dream’s motivations’ was just too sloppy, too close to an abuse victim forgiving their abuser. Just a smidge more care to ensure c!Tommy understanding c!Dream’s motivations but not condoning his methods would have been 100 times better. Just one sentence. And then the section in the ‘new world’. Just.. why.

Anyway I have been through this before, more than once. I know how to deal. How to take the best parts and cherish them. How to read fanfictions that explore unexplored parts and fix broken elements. Where to look for joy and heartache and laughter.

If you are in this boat, I believe you can do it as well. This community is strong, creative, and passionate. Meta writers, artists, fanfiction creators, all of you who create the content that brings people in. If you wish to continue I’ll be honoured to see what you make <3

[winniethepoohbear04]

Ya know I’m thinking back on the finale streams and I think there was an interesting way they could’ve taken it and one I thought they would take while watching for foreshadowing. The End. CDream mentioned it. He obviously has knowledge about it, and I seriously thought that was going to come into play. It was such a reveal especially since it’s been a rule in the server for soo long, and obviously the characters have no clue about it. I specifically took note of when cdream was talking about it because I had the split thought in my mind that ctubbo and ctommy would take advantage of this new knowledge to defeat Dream and Punz. Once the stream was over I was thinking about how cclingyduo could definitely form a plan to find out more about the end, how to activate the portal, and instead of the traveling too it, they would figure out how to get CDream and cpunz to get into the portal, and then trap them there. Sure they could definitely get out, but the characters don’t know that, cdrunz could have enough knowledge to kill the dragon, but we don’t know for sure if they would. Also with this kind of ending it brings around the conclusion with the end, while also having no self-sacrificing message and no one dying in the end. It would’ve been satisfactory in the details/convos, would include all the action, and make a pretty engaging battle. No characters would be killed, there’s enough of a loose ending to continue fan headcanons and stories, but also ensures our beloved characters are safe and happy if fans wanted to stop there. Final pro is that there would be some sick ass fanart of it too.The only thing that would’ve stopped the cc from doing it is that it doesn’t add to volume 2, there would be no part of the finale that leads viewers to watching volume 2. But yea that’s what I think could’ve been if we wanted to ignore the entire ‘kill everyone and have amnesia’ ending.

[starlit-bawka]

One of the many reasons I love dsmp is for all the worldbuilding potential it has

We’re given so many places and countries and CHURCHES like there’s religions in this server!! And future generations!

There’s so many different ways you could interpret everything there, so many different cultures you can explore and create and I think that that’s really special

[bleue-flora]

Ok, so can we talk about Punz for a second? Because like when I rewatched that stream the other day, not only did I notice that it was Punz who avenged Dream by killing Tommy and returning all of his stuff, after Sapnap and Tommy had ambushed Dream and refused to return it [details] (making him truly the mvp, who really doesn’t get enough credit). But I also noticed some other fun things.

Specially this.

And this.

Tommy punches Dream -> immediately killed by Punz [clip].

Like okay maybe we could make the point that Dream pays him to kill Tommy and reclaim all of his stuff [clip], but pretty sure Dream isn’t paying him to be so protective.

[arctasy]

i will never get over the way c!wilbur's character explored themes revolving around perceiving yourself through a narrative and projecting conventions of storytelling and media onto your own life out of a need to become part of something greater and more “beautiful” than yourself. the complicated relationship between life and art: which imitates which? the attempt to aestheticize your own suffering in the hope of creating a “masterpiece” that makes it all somehow worth it. convincing yourself that you are a character on a stage and must play your part so you don’t have to admit to yourself that you’re tired and hurting and it’s easier than putting in the work to heal. just. god. c!wilbur’s story means so much to me

[cloffmoff]

did anyone else get full body chills when tuning into tommy's last dsmp stream and he was playing 'It's All Over But the Crying'? it was a crazy good song to play in that moment because it's so accurate to c!tommy's character and his relationship with dream and the rest of the server

'Friends all over know I'm trying, to forget about how much I care for you' this could be applied to wilbur and how tommy spiraled after he left, it could be about how he was willing to sacrifice himself for tubbo, and (my favorite) it could be about how everyone on the server knows tommy is trying to get away from dream, but it's like a train wreck watching him fall back to this 'I need to kill dream' mentality that ultimately ends the server's storyline, because what else could but this guy's insane passion? Really?

'It's all over, but the dreaming...poor little dream, that keeps trying to come true' I LOVED this line of the song because it makes you realize that the life you wanted for tommy and his friends is probably never going to be actualized except for in your mind (also the tsmp lol we stay winning), which is why it's a dream- but I also love the phrase 'poor little dream' because if you're thinking about the song from c!tommy's perspective talking about c!dream, he often refers to c!dream as a 'sad, insecure little man' even though tommy is terrified of him, the way he's a 'poor little dream' that will never 'have' tommy again. This line felt like a little 'fuck you' to c!dream and we take those when we can get them 😔

And finally, the line 'it's all over but the Crying, and nobody's crying, but me' is such a profound look into c!tommy and how the fans that love his character act about the story. The entire DSMP only works because people assign intense value to otherwise meaningless things (a british nation on a minecraft server, music disks, a traumatized fictional minecraft block boy) and c!tommy's drive to his character is partially because he wants, needs, to have things that only he has assigned value to, and we as the audience want these things with him. Essentially, the dsmp is over, 'It's All over', but we the fans are the only people crying because we have assigned such weighty value to this server and I think that's SUPER cool. /srs

TLDR, cc!tommy is an evil genius for picking this song featured in fallout to represent the last ever content of his character, listen to It's All Over But the Crying by The Ink Spots, the dsmp is one of the most unique fanbases out there.

[qpenpals]

i’m having thoughts about c!tubbo in 2024 and we love that for me

tubbo has been so many things he was a soldier, a revolutionary, a spy, a president, a husband, a father, a friend and something came of that, tubbo had power, something so many people on the server yearned and fought for and tubbo had it because of those people,

he learned and it came from the his under schlatt, the abuse he had to endure, it came from the wars he fought against dream over and over, it came from listening to the obsessive ramblings of wilbur, from the final disc fight, and from the green festival mimicking his own execution,

tubbo learned from his experiences and that is what made him powerful because while he held on to the past he also moved forward, he allowed the lessons taught from the past to guide him, and while they might have guided him in questionable ways at times he had power because his experience caused him to know how to hurt others as and/or even more than he had

anyways take a c!tubbo doodle

[10piecechickenmcnugget]

Still writing out my thoughts about Dogwarts, but I'm returning the favor anyways.

I wanna here all your thoughts about Purpled and Wilbur. Or whoever you're most interested in.

You're letting me talk about characters I like, I'm letting you do the same :D

FUCK YEAH

(@dewberries-sillyblog cause you wanted to learn more about my blorbos)

under the cut cause this is gonna be L O N G

(split into sections so I can “organize” my thoughts) Purpled: my stupid ass traumatized alien son he’s a bastard and I hate him (/j)

Early SMP: alien boy. he doesn’t know what he’s doing he is simply fucking around and finding out adopting a dog and gathering resources. just living life having a funky fresh time

he and tommyinnit fucking HATE each other they chased each other around and murdered each other for like over and hour fundy broke into his house and stole his shit he bargained with Tommy for his own stuff for like 10 minutes and went to court but just snuck out the back (??? idk he’s wild)

fundy built the socializing club to resolve their arguments and purpled booby trapped it and stole everyone’s shit cause he’s just like that

L’Manberg War(s): he dabbled in lmanberg shit my guy had no idea what the fuck was going on all the god damn time he was so confused bro was literally just standing there one time he say ccrimeboys (who were exiled from lmanberg and were absolutely not supposed to be there) and he (a member of lmanberg) decided to just ignore them cause he can’t be bothered to give a shit he literally allowed Technoblade to causally boat home after he massacred everyone at the festival and murdered Tubbo he has zero fucks to give

✨intermission✨: he disappeared for several months and no one knew what was up with that

the following is not in chronological order cause I forgor

but Bad hired him to kidnap/kill Puffy and he was basically like “yeah sure fuck it” and I think he did the thing?? I don’t remember anyways he was kinda working for the Eggpire for a bit and then Quackity was like hey wanna work for me instead to betray them (he attracted his attention by threatening to blow up his UFO talk about foreshadowing) and purpled once again went yeah sure fuck it and betrayed the Eggpire for the money and Quackity did his whole “wait don’t go in yet let the shark guy die” and then they saved everyone and yadda yadda yadda “you’re a hero purpled” “I try my best”

Aftermath: we all know this part purpled is like okay bitch boy pay up and Quackity makes small talk gives him his money and then destroys his entire life right in front of him good times they yell at each other for a bit and Purpled storms off in silence to go be sad

He goes back to his stupid little cottage and is even sadder for a while and then Mr Charlie Slimecicle gaslights him for 30 minutes and he decides to join las nevadas (he’s lying about wanting to be there)

he hangs around lying to people for a bit and then sets up his overdramatic lava trap and yells at Quackity some more and then kills his bf for revenge cause that’s what they do on this server I fucking guess

he kidnaps slimes dead body and holds it captive in a cave purely just to kill him again and then Punz shows up and manipulates him a bit and Dream is there also

they show up gaslight slime bulky Quackity blow shit up purpled and Quackity yell at each other some more and then slime reveals HE was gaslighting everyone the whole time and fucking kills purpled (L + ratio)

then there’s the whole “you’re not a good person” but idc about that sorry quackcicle enjoyers

and then that’s kinda it man idk the whole ass smp ended

Random ramblings: purpled is a petty bastard and I hate him that bitch is full of improperly processed trauma (thank you icarus appollosboyfriend for that quote) and he hates everyone and he only kills people for the money cause he just wants money and power (and friends he just wants to go home) but he only accepts jobs from people he trusts and he’s a stupid bitch and he’s mean and absolutely will insult your mother but your honor he’s just a silly little guy simply a funky little lad and he just lies to people constantly he’s so funny and every time I think about him I go insane

now.

Wilbur. Motherfucking. Soot:

I am mentally ill about him I legitimately get sad often over him he has brought me close to tears unironically multiple times this is a common occurrence I have so much autism about him I’m such a basic bitch 😔

there’s no organization to this part I’m just going to go insane for several paragraphs:

HES SO SAD my boy is struggling constantly 24/7 he has had shit brain chemicals his whole life and he pretends he’s fine cause he has to be fine but he’s literally been putting up a persona the entire smp I just ajrhjabdbwjsj

he’s just a little guy ur honor who wanted to start a little nation for his friends and he tried SO HARD to keep the peace and let everyone live but people continuously fucked him over until he thought he HAD to resort to violence

he has so much trauma and he ignores all of it he’s so stressed all the time and he got beat to death with an axe after his friend betrayed him and and and

and fucking SCHLATT took his country his fucking country from him and kicked him out and his stupid ass lived in a ravine for god knows how long and he developed more mental illnesses then he already had

he legitimately thought everyone hated him and was only staying for the power and wholeheartedly believed that they would leave him if someone else offered something better and he was so scared all the time he was NOT living la vida loca and he just fucking lied about it all the time cause he’s an idiot

and he finally snapped and he was going to press the damn button and his fucking dad showed up and he had made up his mind he was going to die and he was taking lmanberg down with him so he did just that (assisted suicide babyyyyyy)

and don’t even get me started on ghostbur (that’ll come later)

then he fucking died and LIMBO oh my lordy lord he was alone in literal sensory deprivation torture for THIRTEEN AND A HALF YEARS holy motherfuck he lost his fucking mind in there he was not doing well that’s for fucking sure

then his bitch ass got revived and dear god did a lot happen while he was gone and he put on another goddamn persona because he’s fine guys!! he had time to think over everything while he was dead he’s perfectly fine he’s processed all his trauma he’s so much better now he definitely isn’t doing worse he’s fine guys !!! :D (he’s lying)

and one time he tried to explode dream with his mind so that was a thing and also threatened to kill himself despite being apparently happy to be alive again and absolutely fucking terrified of going back to limbo so anyways he still hates himself so that’s a thing

he and Quackity had a homoerotic rivalry and then he went to fucking. Utah so that happened

I’m fucking insane about cwilbur I cannot articulate this to you correctly but I cannot stress enough how feral he makes me

NOW ghostbur I’m insane about him too he’s an amnesiac and he’s so sad all the time and he still hates himself cause ‘alivebur’ hates himself and he considers PERMADYING a happy memory and he can only remember good things and H A T E S talking about his mental health or anything remotely sad and he’s just a little lad with his sheep and he just wants to make people happy and oughhhhhhhhh. anyways how are you guys doing :)

[hopalongfairywren]

Also I've said this a bunch of times but I'm just... c!puffy's reaction to her friends betraying her and slaughtering her son in front of her is immediately labeled as a villain arc by the fandom. Coupled with one of her next streams being titled 'from mother to monster' even though... she never really ends up doing anything worse than being a dick to c!Ponk a couple times later. I honestly think now that it was never meant to be a 'villain arc' or at least I hope not, but instead how Puffy percieved herself after the banquet, and after her hero complex got wounded. Her post banquet ranting is more of an angry, traumatized and grieving parent venting than some epic plotting revenge girlboss moment. Even if the fansong made about that was so fucking cool.

Seriously though... c!Puffy my girl. You have so many unfinished plotlines and shunted narrative potential and I love you please take a nap ma'am.

[audodd2]

FUCK. Remember when Tommy was hiding with Techno right after exile and Techno had him drink invis to hide from Dream. He is returning to that, back to the security of hiding in plain sight because he's endlessly curious and absolutely terrified of the world around him. He avoided Wilbur/didn't see him for a while and the second he did mans ups and leaves. He's terrified it's going to happen again so he's been watching the people he cares about and the people he hates just so he knows they're still there. Just so he can have some semblance of control. Tommy's limbo was darkness, complete isolation. Does this play into claustrophobia? Absolutely. But it more so plays into the fear of the unknown, of being completely ignorant of your surroundings and defenseless against them. Tommy doesn't wear armor (he hasn't since exile but that's a whole other rant). He's used to being defenseless physically, but if he doesn't know his surroundings he can't react to them, can't mold to them how he needs to in order to survive. He's fine without armor, but without information he is weak, he is nothing. Invisibility makes so much sense. And it makes the fact that his character needs to be seen, needs to be valued, needs to be needed so much more painful. Also, I count this as bedrock bros crumbs and you cannot stop me.

[cobble-cas]

Ok I need to shout into the void on this

C!Tubbo is so Eliza Hamilton coded

HEAR ME OUT

It’s Quiet Uptown is literally cTubbo after both cTommy and cRanboo’s deaths LIKEEE

“You hold your child as tight as you can”

“It feels easier to just swim down”

“We push away what we don’t understand”

Like????

Also Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story,

Eliza living for another 50 years after her husband’s death, Tubbo living on and on after his.

cTubbo always the survivor, always the one left to mourn and remember, one of the youngest members of the server but oh so old

“And when my time is up, have I done enough?”

Anyways c!Tubbo supremacy

[winniethepoohbear04]

thought it would be nice to go on tiktok in order to get some lines in the back of my mind but all is see is villianinnit and people comparing ctommy to Pogtopia cwilbur. Guys I will cry can we stop leaping to conclusions thinking history is repeating itself when it CLEARLY isn’t in ccrime’s case. PLEASE.

[fallen-elytrian]

Okay, okay, I’m going to start this by saying I haven’t actually watched the lore yet, I’ve only seen people screaming about it

But, but. Apparently. Sam and Phil knew each other. Really knew each other. Before the Dream SMP. But had a falling out because of Sam’s clones

I feel like that adds a LOT of layers to the interaction Sam and Phil have in that one Tommy stream. The one right after dream escapes prison (link timestamp- 41:51)

They have this interaction:

Sam: Oh, Philza

Phil: Sam

Sam: it’s good to see you!

Phil: I wish I could say the same

And I know, I know it’s mainly because the prison break literally just happened but. I can’t help but feel. There’s a lot being unsaid there. That it goes deeper than that

“I wish I could say the same” I wish I didn’t know this was a clone. I wish you were who you were before all this. I wish you listen to me when I told you to stop. I wish I was looking at the original you