#going through predebut fancams!

[songmingisthighs]

Hellooo! I'm a new atiny and I was wondering if you could help me get to know the boys a bit, if you could describe them in a few words, what you think about them, who's ypur favorite and why. I'm also curious who are the trouble makers and who are the mom and dad of the group who keep them in check.

oooo hellaurrrrr welcome to the mess <3

in a nutshell, ateez is... pretty... self explanatory ??

you only need to know that within ateez is a group of fuckboi wannabe dorks called 99z (구구즈/gu-gu-jeu) which literally translates to the 99 liners and a duo called matz (맏즈) which consist of the two oldest members (both 98 liners) and yeah they left the youngest who's the only 00 liner but frankly ion think he gives a fuck because he's always either with mom and dad (matz) or pulling some shit with 99z.

- matz

seonghwa > the oldest is the mom. he's a boomer trying to become a genz, you'll see him constantly wanting to join in on weird ass 99z antics or with wooyoung circling around him like a chicken doped up in coccaine. soft cute babie off stage like literally lactates whenever he sees kids but on stage looks like he's possessed. I dare you to watch his guerrilla fancam.

hongjoong > captain (not leader), 2nd oldest and the "dad". bc fr he's a workaholic, 9 times out of 10 you'll find him camping in his studio. Dedicated and talented as fuck, produce every ateez songs despite being worse than tone deaf when he first got into kq. the embodiment of the word "tired. and he's possessive as fuck so don't even mention other singer or celebrities near him. he'll pop a vein or smth. stage possession pt. 2

- 99z

yunho > tallest boy. golden retriever who thinks he's a daschund or smth idk. easily excited, so fucking cute, handsome, can kill you with love and kindness. literally don't join his private message on universe, you'll get delulu. soft and lovable yet people wanna fuck with him because they're petty jealous bitches haha pendejo ANYWHAM the way he moves on stage is just... holy fucking shit ???? mesmerising. watch ateez's guerrilla on killpo on 1thek (yt) and you'll get what i mean

yeosang > looks like he can murder you simply by flicking the air near your forehead because HAVE YOU SEEN HIS ARMS ??? kq srsly need to shut down the gym. if you see him during predebut/early debut era and compare to his present look, you'd think he was swapped or smth bc where the fuck is the innocent naive nerd that woo said won't survive this world without him ???

san > DON'T GET TOO CLOSE, YOUR EYES WILL BURN. off stage he's san :D but on stage he's san >;). cheeky lil shit who used to sing in a church choir despite being not religious because he has the voice of an angel. and the body and moves of satan. istg don't watch his cyberpunk fancam in public, you're gonna wanna take a shower after that. master of performance like fr possessed on stage pt. 3

mingi > THE OTHER TALL BOY and the love of my life. looks like he could stomp you and will stomp you. by accident. tol boi makes many many clumsy steps. sexy on stage but off stage makes you wanna swaddle him and feed him cookies. obsessed with abura soba and he's your go-to guy for comfort in terms of like feeling better about yourself or when you feel like a loser. recommends songs A LOT on his pm

wooyoung > sly little bastard. he looks mischievous. AND HE IS MISCHIEVOUS. L O U D A S F U C K, i suggest you don't watch his videos in public because i deadass watched ateez whilst in the bus and Wooyoung's voice penetrate through my earphones. at 0% volume you can still hear him. but he's iconic, memorable, gay as fuck (in the best way) but ion wanna assume his sexuality because he calls his fans his wife. men women nonbinary trigender, EVERYONE'S woo's wife (영부인/young-bu-in). calls his dude friends honey (jagiya) like yeonjun (txt), changbin (skz) and many more methinks. man's a social butterfly like i believe he can befriend putin or smth

- babie <3

jongho > BEAR <3 literally the stylists are doing him justice this comeback bc he looks SO FUCKING GOOD istg he's turning my brain into mush. idk what's above angel voice because that's the fuck he has. so fucking talented and so damn fucking done with his hyungs's antics. but everyone loves him <3 <3 he's still everyone's baby <3 <3 but fr don't mess with him because he splits apples in half without having to try so i do believe he has the power to break spines, limbs, and mental

this is all i can think of so far pls let me know if you have more things you wanna know <3

[happyksm]

[alwaysvivid]

# ꕥ 𓂃 𑄻 ᜔ ۪۫ ࣪   ♡  ✧˚ · … 𝐝 𝐢 𝐬 𝐜 !

( 2018 - 2020 ) 2021

# 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟖 !

˗ˏˋ DEBUT SINGLE ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐏𝐇𝐀𝐒𝐄 𝟏 : 𝐋𝐀𝐋𝐀𝐋𝐀 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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on the 3rd of february 2018 CUBE ENT debuted their much anticipated new girl group VIVID ! the 5 made their mark in the industry with RUMPUMPUMPUM their debut track written and produced by members DAYNA and SORA under SODA the name of their production duo. it was the title track off of their debut single album ‘ PHASE 1 : LALALA ’ that contained DRIP their predebut track and BLOW YOUR MIND a b-side they promoted alongside RUMPUMPUMPUM for 4 weeks. the group and song garnered the girls a lot of attention as they had already had buzz around their name due to members already being known in the industry. their debut was a huge success with the girls getting their first win 3 weeks after debut.

˗ˏˋ  1st MINI ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐏𝐇𝐀𝐒𝐄 𝟐 : 𝐅𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐇 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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after just over 4 months the girls came back with the 2018 song of the summer LAST LOVE on the 25th of june 2018. with their already established CHIC GIRL CRUSH sound, LAST LOVE solidified them as the next big thing with them bagging 4 music show wins for the track. LAST LOVE was the title track off of their mini album PHASE 2 : FRESH which contained TIPPY TOES. TIPPY TOES was entirely choreographed by SISI and LEO which was a first. the track went viral because of how insane the choreography with SISI and LEO getting a lot of praise.

˗ˏˋ  MINI ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐏𝐇𝐀𝐒𝐄 𝟑: 𝐆𝐀𝐋𝐀𝐗𝐘 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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LOVE DIVE was released on the 16th of november 2018 and was their first title track entirely choreographed by SISI and LEO. the pair would go on to choreograph all of their title tracks going forward. LOVE DIVE is dreamy and ethereal track that ended off their first year beautifully. their mini album PHASE 3: GALAXY was praised for its variety in sounds with b-sides like CANDY BOY and BUTTERFLIES which both got special stages.

# 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟗 !

˗ˏˋ  SINGLE ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐏𝐇𝐀𝐒𝐄 𝟒 : 𝐄𝐗𝐈𝐓𝐔𝐒 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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on the 11th of march VIVID started off 2019 with a bang with their breakout track MY RHYTHM. the track samples BACH’s ‘Air On G String’, an iconic classical piece. but SODA once again highlights their production skills by manage to put their own unique spin on it whilst still allowing for the classical elements to shine through. MY RHYTHM was another smash hit for the group and peaked at #1 on the GAON chart which was a first for the group. with the track the girls got their first all kill managing to get a win on all music shows with a total of 7 wins !

the girls promoted their bside BLUE FLAME as a special stage on music shows. the track garnered the girls even more attention with SISI’s fancam going viral not only locally but also internationally. her split that she did during the choreography showed off her years of ballet training and her fancam has millions of views.

trying to keep up the momentum of their success VIVID went on to have mini promotional period for another bside off of PHASE 4 : EXITUS titled CRAZY that only lasted 10 days but was still incredibly successful garnering 2 music show wins . the track had its own music video and dance practice along with music show performances. the girls caught even more of the publics attention when a fancam of SORA went viral , her charisma and aura captivating new audiences. this would be her 3rd fancam to go viral after her debut fancam and her iconic LOVE DIVE fancam from MAMA 2018 which had all of twitter asking about “ the girl with blue hair”

because of the success of MY RHYTHM their single album PHASE 4 : EXITUS - the final installment of the phases series - sold over 1 million copies. to this day it is regarded as an iconic VIVID comeback as every aspect from makeup to styling to production by SODA to choreography by SISI and LEO all the way to the albums concept as a whole was absolutely amazing.

˗ˏˋ  1st FULL ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐔 𝐑 𝐌𝐘 𝐏𝐀𝐑𝐀𝐃𝐈𝐒𝐄 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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OH MY! is another crucial VIVID comeback but for different reasons. the girls were originally meant to return on the 1st of july but member YURI was suddenly put on hiatus for health reasons and their comeback was pushed back to the 22nd . the girls released the first installment of their ‘ U R MY ’ series with their first full album U R MY PARADISE. with the popularity garnered from their previous comeback as well as the announcement of their 1st full album U R MY PARADISE had 800k presales making it their highest yet. OH MY ! was a fun and bubbly summer title track that the girls promoted as 4 with their b-side PANDORA. despite the cheerful energy of the track the girls were notably unlike themselves and barely participated in any promotional activities with their appearance on WEEKLY IDOL even being cancelled.

˗ˏˋ  REPACKAGE ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐔 𝐑 𝐌𝐘 𝐂𝐇𝐄𝐑𝐈 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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their repackage U R MY CHÉRI was released 3 months later on the 1st of october with their title track FEARLESS. it was a fan favourite catching a lot of international attention with its bouncy bass and eye catching choreography. the girls once again promoted as 4 without YURI who also did not feature in the music video. their FEARLESS promotions were jarringly shorter than their previous ones with the girls only promoting for 2 weeks. for the first time the girls got no wins for their title track.

# 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟎 !

˗ˏˋ  MINI ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐔 𝐑 𝐌𝐘 𝐇𝐄𝐀𝐕𝐄𝐍 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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fans were shocked when it was announced that VIVID would be making another 4 member comeback despite YURI become apart of recording the tracks on their newest mini album U R MY HEAVEN. the album contained a VIVID icon PSYCHO along with their b side SHOTGUN which they promoted on special stages alongside their title track. this era was more chic, dark and mature showing the beginnings of a shift in VIVID’s concept and sound. the music video was praised for its elegance and eery feeling as compared to the brighter aesthetics they had taken on prior. tracks like ESCAPE ROOM , KINGDOM COME , HOUSE OF CARDS and NO MANNERS highlight this shift with their more sensual feel. as a whole it is considered one of VIVID’s best albums to date.

˗ˏˋ  FULL ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐔 𝐑 𝐌𝐈𝐍𝐄 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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on the 29th of june , after almost a yearong hiatus YURI finally returned and the girls returned as 5 for their biggest comeback to date HIP ! it is a swaggering track that has a brassy take-down of response to the hate that the girls have gotten throughout their careers so far. HIP ! was the title track on the girls 2nd full album U R MINE the album is another one that is considered one of SODA’s best works with tracks like ILLUSION , DAHLIA , IT HURTS , E I E I O and NO ONE a fully thai track written by DAYNA. SODA also released their first official subunit track HAPPY NOW which they performed once as a special storage. throughout the era the girls promoted their track LUV U as a special stage alongside HIP ! and their intro track 24 HRS. the comeback was highly anticipated because of YURI’s return and once again the girls surpassed 1 MILLION presales and debuted at #1 on all korean streaming platforms. the girls also entered the BILLBOARD TOP 100 for the first time peaking at 51. the girls got 11 music show wins and were nominated for BEST FEMALE GROUP, BEST FEMALE PERFORMANCE , SONG OF THE YEAR and ALBUM OF THE YEAR at MAMA 2020.

˗ˏˋ  REPACKAGE ALBUM !  ‘ 𝐔 𝐖𝐄𝐑𝐄 𝐌𝐈𝐍𝐄 ’ ♡ ˚◞

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on the 7th of september 2020 VIVID released their repackage album U WERE MINE which contained another dark title track CRY 4 ME. the track is dark yet lively with its dark lyricism mixing with a stately chorale of synths and the girls melodies to drive the story along.the album aesthetics as well as the music video for CRY 4 ME had a slight horror element. the music video contained scenes of blood , implied violence and overall suspense which required CUBE to release 2 version of the music video a censored and uncensored version. the music video caught a lot of attention for its beautifully dark themes. the girls furthered their horror concept by making ‘ haunted ver. ’ of tracks IT HURTS and PSYCHO as well as a rock version of MY RHYTHM.

VIVID promoted CRY 4 ME for 3 weeks and got 4 music show wins with the track debuting at #1 on korean streaming platforms and repeatedly returning to the top 5 throughout promotions. as a whole the era is a fan favourite and opened doors for more horror and dark concepts in mainstream kpop groups.

WHICH ERA WAS YOUR FAV ? LET ME KNOW !

[kidnamedfinger]

Opinion on wayv?

fuck it i finished this weeks homework so here are all the wayv opinions i can think of right now

overall: i like wayv they are my second fav after 127 but i respect them more than 127. i think when they get their hands on certain concepts they slay absolute penis (regular, moonwalk, bad alive, turn back time, nectar, love talk, etc). kick back was a flop though and they generally are passed over sooo often its so sad. at least the situation isnt as drastic as exo-m but wayv languishing in the sm basement shows us that sm still hasnt learned how to manage a china bg promotion

ten: i love ten so much i hope he can go solo but again his station songs/thing with yangyang have flopped and its very sad. i think the reason behind the floppage is a mixture of being given shit material and also i think ten is still growing as an artist even with so much overflowing raw talent and creativity. but i will be very excited for a tolo if it is PROPER and INSPIRED. im sorry to compare him to taemin but the material is very very similar and i do hope he can follow in taemins footsteps. OR LAY if he can get a solo career like lay i think he will be okay. i just really want the best for him he looked so bored before he got his most recent gig and its objectively such a shame to leave a talent like him just waiting around for his next moment. ten is really bad at variety with the other members which i find charming but he seems like a very sweet person again i cant emphasize this enough i am rooting for his success in anything he puts his mind to. as long as, again, the material he puts out is actually interesting and novel bc i think hes capable of it and i think anything less than that is a waste

kun: fucking flop for buying nfts, really crappy really stupid of him. before that news came out i thought he was okay, i liked how he was kind of cast as the the bang chan leader/producer/carer type for wayv. i respect that he self produces obviously but i think some of his self produced stuff kind of sounds like when jyp makes behind the scenes videos sorry. i think his predebut song that is a meme is a bop though and i liked the socially aware lyrics so good for him. i dont know what else to say im gonna move on

winwin: i have a limited opinion on winwin because he is just kind of boring to me. something i noticed is he often seems to have a moment when hes delivering his lines in 127/wayv where he limps his wrist a little. idk how to explain it but i think its in bad alive + chain + limitless. i love that one fancam where he forgets hes performing bad alive. apart from that i dont rate him that much as an idol hes not bad he just doesnt really catch my eye. i think he is an excellent model though and i dont blame him if hes trying the idol to model pipeline

lucas: i think lucas has the funniest celebrity scandal ive ever heard of in kpop or otherwise. imagine if he was still promoting and secretly talking shit about his members, asking random chinese fans to buy him burberry (which literally everyone in sm is already sponsored by, he cant ask his coworkers?), making fun of nct for always adding random people etc. i do know some people accused him of actually serious things so i do think he deserves to be kicked out, and even if that stuff wasnt true i dont know why sm is dragging their feet bc its hurting wayv too to keep everyone not knowing. before the scandal broke i thought lucas was a weird idol anyway cause hes not particularly talented at anything specific, he can dance fine and his voice is fun and he has an interesting look but thats it. he always seemed really desperate to make an impact through variety

xiaojun: i love xiaojun i know hes pretty boring but i love him. i think he is talented in multiple ways and seems to work really hard and he is a leo so i support him. sorry i should have more to say i dont really follow him that much but i like him a lot

yangyang: will never not be such a meme to me bc of GINGER I MISS YOU GINGER. also mei. everyone memes yangyang its funny ill never not laugh. hes clearly an idol bc of connections and bc he actually wants to be an idol and not necessarily because he is innately talented or creative. but good for you yangyang nothing wrong with that

hendery: i dont get him at all . hes literally hendery. sorry to henderynators hes also not particularly talented either. and he wore like rasta stereotypical dreads that one time didnt he

[angrydeobi42069]

The hate Blackpink gets is driven by internalized misogyny and here’s why

Blackpink. Basically the biggest girl group on the planet and one of the biggest groups in general, dominating the charts worldwide. Blackpink’s comeback, “How You Like That” broke world records for most viewed video in 24 hours and debuted no.2 on the Billboard charts. I’m sure “Lovesick Girls” charted as well or the same. The first kpop group to perform at Coachella, Blackpink have collabed with too many western artists for me to name (actually, I could probably name them but I could care less about some of these western artists so I’m not going to). I mean, not really a surprise, Blackpink has been breaking records since their debut in 2016. There’s not even really a point in introducing them to you since there’s literally no way you don’t know who they are. 

Now like many celebrities, the more famous you become the more hate you get. I hope everyone knows that this is just bound to happen regardless if your favorite celebrity has never done anything problematic and consistently produces bop after bop. However, BP get some of the worst hate I have seen towards a kpop group and most of it coming from kpop fans and blinks themselves. I’ve heard it from my close friends, from randos on stan twitter, and from locals. So, I have a bone to pick with y’all haters because I truly don't understand. 

Let me start with saying that I’m not a blink. I’m kinda far from it. I like bp and I will definitely click on their stuff when it comes out but I am in no way shape or form an actual stan. I wouldn’t buy their stuff or cry over their achievements, though it does make me somewhat proud. But even though I’m not a blink, I find myself defending these girls whenever someone tries to start shit. 

Ok, so from what I could gather from scouring the internet, harassing my friends, and looking through twitter, people hate bp for mainly these reasons: they hate Jennie, they think bp are overrated and overhyped, they “are not serving what they could serve” (yes, I quoted this from my friend), they’re basically models not idols, their fans suck, and BIG 3 privilege. There’s actually a lot more reasons that I found by looking at a “why do you hate blackpink?” quora thread but these are the easiest to tackle. I’m here to tell you that most of this hate if not all of it comes from misogyny. To be more specific, internalized misogyny because most of this hate comes from female kpop fans. 

Disclaimer: I did not research which demographic hates on bp the most but from personal experience, it has always been women who share their distaste for bp. Ok, moving on. 

I’m going to tackle the reasons I laid out one by one, hopefully well enough that you look back and see if the reason why you hate bp is out of just simple dislike for their music or because you hate women. There’s a big difference if you didn’t notice. If you get offended by this piece then that’s on you not me, just saying.  

Ok, first reason. You hate Jennie? Is that so? May I ask why you hate her so much? What exactly has she done to you that you have such a strong hatred for her? Is it because she’s lazy? Because she’s not doing what she’s capable of? I need reasons. I really do need some reasons before I label you off as someone struggling with internalized misogyny. Jokes aside, I don’t see how you can hate someone you’ve never met. I think most of the time we forget that you literally don’t know these people. I don’t know my favorite kpop boys and you definitely don’t know my good sis Jennie. I could make a whole other piece on the fake images and personalities these idols have and how we eat them up but whatever. 

Back to Jennie, you literally don’t know her. This whole Jennie is lazy argument is bs, pure shit if you ask me. You have no way of knowing what’s going on in her life. I’m pretty sure you’ve had bad days, bad weeks, maybe even bad months. You forget her job is draining, mentally and physically. She’s got dances to memorize, songs to memorize, fans to deal with and communicate with. She has a social media presence, she still has to practice and train (idols don’t just stop practicing once they debut). I know my body would not be able to withstand that no matter how long I trained; I’d drop dead immediately. The matter of fact is there are a ton of reasons why she wasn’t performing up to YOUR standards, which is a whole other can of worms since you’re probably on your bed doing nothing. It’s almost like y’all forgot sickness and fatigue is a thing. 

(this is just one of many videos where you can see jennie being “lazy”, let my girl live smh) 

And even if the reason wasn’t a medical reason, you can’t let my good sis be lazy for once??? The thing is everyone acts like they’ve never been lazy in their entire life. You’re telling me you’ve never not wanted to do nothing for no good reason? Lies, you’re fucking lying. Ok so what if she doesn’t feel like doing the move with that much energy. Let her live?? All I’m saying is you’d probably survive 5 days in the kpop industry with your lazy ass. And don’t try to hit me with the “but that’s her job she has to perform at 100% all the time” because I’m pretty sure you’re not supposed to be failing your classes or pretending to be sick to get out of class. It’s the hypocrisy of it all. All if you had to perform the same song for a year, I’m sure you’d get sick of it too (fuck you YG). 

The reason why you hold Jennie to ridiculous standards is because of your ~ misogyny ~. Yes, it’s showing. Especially if you don’t hold male idols to the same level as Jennie. Female idols on the daily are held to ridiculous standards when it comes to their performances. One hair out of place and all of a sudden the knetz come holding their pitchforks. Gfriend slipping on the stage, something caused by literal rain, is still laughed at to this day and mocked. Jang Gyuri on Produce 48 had a voice crack that was edited and replayed to death on the show, ending in her elimination because she couldn’t recover from it. Meanwhile male idols make a mistake on stage and it’s like “Omg, a babie! Omg, that’s so funny!”. I don’t think I can think of any moment where male idols got shit because of a stage mistake. If anything he’s just babied and posted on twitter. My point is female idols are always shat on no matter what they do. Jennie is no exception. 

(tell me why the fancam of gfriend falling has 15M views... for what? FOR WHAT)

Now the second point, bp is overrated and overhyped. Umm, so this point is a little harder to flat out say you’re wrong, mostly because it depends on your own personal taste. If bp’s music is not for you then it might be easy to say that they’re overrated since they’re literally the biggest girl group in the world. The nuances come with the reasons behind this statement. I’m not going to address if you just dislike their music, I can’t really change your opinion on that. I will however, address if the reason behind you saying they’re overrated is because their music sounds “generic” and you don’t think they’re talented, or if you don’t think they deserve their fame because of their small discography and short promotion periods. 

The statement that all four of the bp members are untalented is just false. Wrong. W-R-O-N-G. Don’t mind me just spelling it out for you. Listen, to be able to debut you have to have some sort of talent. No one really debuts without any talent at all (for record yes I’m including visual as being a talent, sue me and leave hate idc). The only reason why someone with no talent would debut is if they had a HUGE fan base before debut and the company was trying to capitalize on it. I can name a few examples but I’m not trying to start shit. These fan bases could show up from predebut commercials, acting gigs, or reality shows. Blackpink had none of that, sure a few of them had appearances in other mv’s but I wouldn’t consider that abnormal in companies’ promotion tactics. Bp went through the typical trainee process. They passed the auditions, trained for a couple of years, and debuted. Now if you knew anything about the trainee process you would know that trainees have monthly evaluations. These monthly evaluations determine whether or not you can make it to debut. If you don’t show progress, then you’re getting the boot. So the fact that bp made it up to the final levels of evaluation and actually debuted indicates that these girls have talent, I’m sorry to say. Objectively, these girls can dance, sing, and rap. Maybe they’re not the best in the industry, I never said that but they are capable of doing all 3 things. Also they come from YG and as much as I hate YG, they’ve got trainees for dayssssss. YG’s status and income did not rely on these girls debuting, they could’ve picked anyone out of their 100 trainees they’ve got in the dungeon. If anything it’s way more competitive to debut in any of the Big 3 companies. It’s like picking the best of the best. If you’re saying these girls are not talented then maybe check yourself a little bit to see why you’re exactly saying that. I’m assuming you won’t be able to do anything better than them. 

The other three points were that their music is generic, their discography is small and their promotions are short. Well, in that case say fuck YG? You’re really acting like these girls produce their own music, make their own choreos and schedule their own promotions. Like wtf? That’s what their companies are for? The way that everyone chooses to ignore YG and their staff and immediately put blame on the girls like they get to choose what they do is ridiculous. Now I know not everyone does this, but the amount of people I’ve seen say bp is overrated because of their discography is a lot. But y’all really out here acting like they make their own discography smh. Yell at Teddy? Yell at YG? I’ve been yelling at those mfers because they’re not giving bp what they deserve. There’s no surprise when I say what they’ve been giving bp is subpar in terms of choreo and vocal ability in songs. I know those girls can do so much more. I don’t even wanna talk about the pretty savage choreo. I don’t. But this is no reason to hate on them? It’s like if I hated a starbucks barista for starbucks having a pumpkin spice latte. Like ???? 

( i drew this myself :) )

Even the hate that they receive because they get sponsorships and ads makes no sense. You don’t want them to make coin? A huge part of what comes with being famous is brand sponsoring. Brands pay you to promote their stuff because hello, you’re famous. So the fact that you don’t want them to do this is first of all wack but also again you’re acting like these girls choose the sponsorships and choose when to go on these trips. YG. MFING YG. I don’t think y’all understand how much control these companies have over their idols. Company says drink water, you drink water. Company says stop breathing and you stop breathing. You do whatever your company says you have to do. That’s your boss. 

So why don’t y’all start hating the producers, choreographers, and management instead. Why focus your hate on these four girls? I won’t spell it out for you again but I hope you get the jist. Most of the time it’s way more easy to attack the woman when she has nothing to do with anything. Society tells you to direct your complaints to the girl involved. You see a male celebrity start dating and who gets attacked? The girl. A girl gets cheated on in a movie by her boyfriend and who does she attack? The girl he cheated with. It’s internalized misogyny luv, yes I ended up spelling it out for you. For real, the girls just breathe and y’all scream at them. 

Final point about the big 3 privilege and fanbase. You have every right to not stan a group because of their fanbase. What you don’t have a right to do is hate on them and leave nasty comments on their posts. First, that’s fan behavior. Second, if you’re gonna do this keep the same energy for people who want to do this with your group. I’m talking about every group because every idol group got some wack ass fans. You shouldn’t hate a group because their fanbase is annoying, they don’t get to pick and choose their fans. So, don’t be a hypocrite ok :) Now big 3 privilege. Ah big 3 privilege. Yes, it exists. There’s no denying it. Big 3 privilege doesn’t really die out in my opinion. For as long as they’re still active, bp will have big 3 privilege. But just with any other sort of privilege, if you have it might as well use it. Listen, if I was white you know I’d be eating up my white privilege I’m not gonna lie. Jokes aside, bp has worked extremely hard. Yes, they have the big 3 privilege but they still have to perform these concerts, shows, and go to these interviews and train. As much as you’d like to disagree with me, I think that it’s a very objective to say that they have worked hard. 

I think it’s important to acknowledge how hard it is to get into these companies in the first place. You’re not born into it like a lot of social privileges people have. You have to audition. There are so many idols that have tried to get into these big companies but have failed. Now I’m not saying that these idols are not as talented as the ones that get into these big companies. Most of the time, these idols aren’t ready at the time of their audition and work harder on their own before trying out other companies. The big 3 get their trainees at very young age, which means these kids have to be either geniuses or show an incredible amount of promise. They’re the big 3 for a reason, they’ve been around the longest and have the most experience. They can see a future idol in the making relatively quickly. So yeah bp have big 3 privilege but they’ve worked hard, sacrificed their childhood, and get shat on just as much as your kpop idols. They’ve just got a fancy name behind them that doesn’t even make good choices promoting them anyways. It’s not a valid reason to hate them because of this, just saying.

Most of the hate bp gets is brought upon by the idea that our patriarchal society has ingrained in us. Women = bad, yell at them vs. men = good, don’t yell at them. We hate seeing women succeed. It’s as simple as that. Seeing powerful women dominate the industry they’re in scares us to our core. We don’t like it. I’m just here to bring light to it.

[triptychexe]

TROMME - PART TWO: DEBUT MINI ALBUM [2015]

PART TWO was released on October 6th, 2015 by TROMME, the second subunit to come from Triptych. TROMME releases an EDM influenced mini album with dance-friendly beats and hype vibes. Despite the upbeat tones, their lyrical ability shines through, tackling subjects like criticism of societal norms in title track “SIMON SAYS”, “REAL MEN” and “SAY IT”, then switching to sentimental feelings in songs “LIPS” and “POLAROID”, never straying from their signature dance and EDM beats.

△ TRACK BY TRACK.

1] SIMON SAYS

Since their trainee days, the boys had a specific message that they wanted to get across from the moment they debuted. They really wanted to challenge society and the concept of masculinity, so they figured their debut song would be about how everyone is controlled, hoping that it would wake people up.

Written by all three boys.

Line distribution can be found here.

2] REAL MEN

The boys really went through a phase of questioning what masculinity really meant. They realized that as they were growing up, they were surrounded by hyper-masculine ideals and standards

SO they decided to use their voice to express what being a real man meant to them in this song. Mocks a lot of gender stereotypes through lyrics. They were criticized pretty heavily for this one.

Written by all three members.

3] LIPS

This song is really just about staring at your crushes lips and wanting to kiss them. There’s really no deep meaning here. Gender neutral so anyone can relate tho!! And alludes to the power of ~consent~

The first two songs were very heavy and opinionated and the boys are still young. They wanted to just have ONE thirst song okay??? LET THEM LIVE.

Written by Teo and Asa

4] RUN IT

Another song that’s just for fun. About working hard to get where you wanna be in the world. If you wanna be something, work for it. Know that TROMME is in your corner and they believe in you AND your dreams!

Honestly they just wanna be supportive. Like they know what it’s like to have your dreams be criticized by others. They want Artychs to feel like they have the power to take charge of their life.

Written by Teo and Eli.

5] POLAROID

Reflecting on their trainee days and predebut moments, TROMME gets a little sentimental on this chill RnB track. They just wanna remember their roots and where they came from with this song.

The music video featured S.O.T and other old videos from their trainee days. Good times and good memories, you know?

Written by all three members

6] SAY IT

All about learning how to speak your mind. They really want people to start standing up against injustices that they see in everyday life. 

Discuss a lot of things like bullying and harassment, sexism and racism, and about how being silent on something means that you are taking the side of the oppressor. All bottled up in a dance-able track! 

Written by all three members.

△ THIS ERA.

We got center Eli this era, which will lowkey be the last time he’s truly center because he realized that it’s too much being both a leader and a center position.

Despite Eli being center... Teo had a viral fancam which was like... the first time a Triptych member got a ton of attention from a fandom that wasn’t artych.

The fanbase was super prepared for TROMME’s debut, so they were able to pull 8.5 million views in the first 24 hours! Which is! Crazy! Do these fans even sleep??

Because of the dedicated streaming and voting, TROMME won 3 music show awards over the course of their promotional period. 

PART TWO peaked at #5 on Melon, which was huge.

The Triptych TV episode where S.O.T and TROMME were reunited after being debuted idols? Everyone teared up a little.

They got a music video for their B-Side song “POLAROID” which they got to film and direct all on their own in 100 hours (it was on an episode of Triptych TV). 

“POLAROID” became a fan favorite, especially because the boys added footage in from their trainee days and S.O.T was in the video as well. 

This was the era where Eli was outed as a BTS fanboy and the fandom lowkey thought it was so funny because it explained why Eli was bowing at like a 95 degree angle when he interacted with BTS at music shows and stuff.

A ton of memes were birthed from this era because TROMME are reaction KINGS. They all don’t have a poker face, so their facial reactions are relatable and raw. 

Which means it was really obvious to fans that Asa and Teo weren’t getting along. Better known as The InHiko Fight of 2k15.

Basically, they were caught giving each other the stink eye as they walked towards their managers car after a schedule. Asa rushed ahead so he could get into the car before Teo. No one knows why they were fighting... but TROMME does.

Basically, Asa was a little shit this era. He really had no faith in Eli or his leadership skills. Teo defended Eli and Asa was like “damn this bitches are conspiring against me!!” so there was a lot of unnecessary tension. It all got cleared up, just like how S.O.T’s tension cleared up, but towards the end of their promotions, things were a little awkward.

△ ERA FASHION.

Back at it with the color-coded fits!!

Yes, primary colors were still mandatory for stage outfits.

And does HBH have a sponsorship deal with Doc Martens? Because that’s all Triptych seems to wear. 

Their debut outfits were... ugly. They wore them a couple of times and people were like “jesus christ, can they PLEASE stop wearing that!” 

But also they’re iconic in the way that NCT’s Cherry Bomb outfits are iconic. You’ll never get the image of TROMME dancing around like Crayola factory workers out of your brain. 

The boys wore women’s blouses to award shows all the time. They legit don’t care. “Clothing is clothing.” - Eli, 2015.

Hair:

Eli had curly light brown hair.

Teo had a black undercut sjkdsg this is why bitches be feral.

Asa had black hair that was pretty long, like not to his shoulders but like,,, below his jaw im bad at describing hair  

△ FANDOM BEHAVIORS.

Maybe it’s because a good chunk of the fanbase is made up of straight women, but Artychs started going absolutely feral or maybe it’s because Asa and Zim’s combined feral energy started rubbing off on them

Artychs literally forgot how to act this era. They started being so thirsty it was like “woah, what happened to the sweet artychs that treated S.O.T like queens?” 

They lowkey sexualized TROMME so much it was gross. Like the boys are out here trying to stop toxic masculinity and you’re making thirst trap vine edits of them? 

TROMME stans started beefing with S.O.T stans. The fandom was too busy fighting each other to really have any other outside beef. 

On the bright side, artychs became a very dedicated fanbase during this era and showed other fandoms that they know how to vote.

[celesjial]

han jisung growing up because for some reason we all seem to ignore this :)

our story begins with this child 👇👇

this is the braces boy who attended def academy and tbh, he still looks 48030480 times better than i ever will so lets just stop to appreciate fetus jisung’s one piercing, braces, and his accentuated cheekbones bc they’re beautiful. let’s also appreciate his melanin and his awkward lil interview he did, which you can watch here if you’d like :). 

~ moving on! let’s start in 2017, with the survival show :) (also where i fell head over heels for this boy and still going strong today ✊✊) here he is in all his glory of the survival show :) 

um. the cutest? honestly i’m not surprised this is the person i chose to stan? like hfakhdflkklahdf this was the day of the jyp vs. yg thing and lemme just say i was NOT okay after that episode. those tears were all induced by this lil sweetheart above :)

and while we’re on the topic of the survival show, let’s talk about the busking. here is han jisung during their first ever meeting with the fans “live show” busking, absolutely k i l l i n g it. :) 

lets just? okay moving on SIGH lets enter the months of 2018. lets enjoy this gorgeousness at his best at a fansign in 2018. here’s a pic from one of the very first fansigns stray kids ever did in the beginning of january :) jisung in pink? a big yes. big big big big yes. 

im not gonna mention the ears because you know what? no. i’m not putting myself through that. time skip tho, let’s head to february to this live fan meeting they did :) (jisung’s hellevator fancam on this date? is a must watch) click here to watch it full :) 

i don’t get how a 17 year old could be this effortlessly ethereal? and this outfit? like uh huh? get it 17-year-old still predebut jisung GET IT :)  

ugh im going crazy i miss predebut days already buuuut let’s move on to their debut stage. gosh--i remember watching this and thanking the lord minho and felix were back-but that’s a story for another day. let’s all say hello to jisung’s red? purple? copper? copper with red and purple highlights? hair and his -- sigh-- infamous mullet days. ngl i kinda miss it, even though i really hated it when i saw it the first time. nonetheless, on to debut stage han jisung! (he wanted everyone to call him han, but i gave up on that because personally i think jisung is a very pretty name and im gonna use it :))

you know what? dumbass mullet or not i still love him (all the mullet enthusiasts boutta attack me) 

moooooooving on from the debut stage, let’s talk about fansigns and jisung in the i am: not era. let’s just--i think this mightve been his realization that he’s just a softy boy and so he decided to take the cutest teeny lil pics possible, because here he is enjoying life at a fansign in april 2018 :)

B U N N Y. MY BUNNY. FIGHT ME HES THE CUTEST EVER AND I LOVE HIM SO MUCH SO MUCH SO MUCH SO MUCH SO CMUCH. :) 

however, the colored hair didn’t stay for very long because we were back to dark pretty soon :) something we’ll later come to miss, you’ll see :) anyways, moving on to june and this legendary stage!

this was jisung’s day and no one else’s. he murdered me, let me be buried, dug me up, and murdered me again and i was not o frickng kay. it was hot the day they performed and he was sweating like crazy and smiling and just wilding on stage and i had no words, lemme tell ya. y’all seeing him grow up yet? no? that’s okay, we’re getting there ;) let’s move on to a soft pic since i don’t think staring at this one for very long is good for your health kdhaljkfhdajhdf. 

so onto july 2018! here’s an airport pic of the day he got his drink stolen and started pouting like a lil baby. he’s gorgeous and adorable and his big blue shirt and hat and stuff ughhhh aljdhflka i dkkk. 

but here :)

yes. just--yes. jisung in baby blue? yes. jisung anywhere anytime? yes. yes. yes. just---yes. :) 

let’s go ahead and move on to august, aka the month jisung decided it would be a great amazing time of the year to start murdering us all. let’s start off a lil bit smooth--here’s the day they were on stage and jisung decided it’d be a great idea to be crazy hot. 

maybe i just got a thing for jisung in baseball caps, ya know? but maybe you’ll notice his hair starting growing longer here--and here we begin the era of the hottest person ever--long haired jisung. it is a phenomenon that no one can beat, not even get-cool era jisung because--well, you’ll see. 

prepare yourself. the next pic is not a fun one to go through, trust me. 

i’ll let you have a moment. take your time, breathe, it’s okay :) i go through the same thing every time i see this photo, don’t worry. but hey, do you see the growing up now? if not, before we get into the real stuff, i suggest you scroll back up and compare that very first pic you saw to this one. see it now? yeah, i thought so. and we’re not done yet. 

say hello to blonde jisung! the jisung we’re gonna be seeing for a while--till the end of 2018, to be exact aljhadlkjfhadkjfhalkjdhf. this is just the beginning, kids. buckle up. 

let’s move on to the i am: who unveil--prepare yourself. none of the following pics are fun. none of blonde jisung is fun. i hate blonde jisung. 

here we go!

yup. i am who jisung said move out of his way, because he is the king and no one can stop him. go ahead and admire him for a bit longer. we’re nowhere near finished yet. (PS DO YOU SEE THE GROWTH CHANGE YET BC I SEE IT BICH) 

anyways!!!! let’s move on to kcon thailand 2018 jisung! as in king prince jisung who can never be beat so shut up!

yup. mhm. i have no caption for this one except warning: may cause heart attacks bc i know the day the fansite pics of this came out i nearly cried and died and cried again yall know. new stans, here’s what you missed of han jisung but dont worry! i’ll always be here to introduce you to him :). 

anywho! let’s do another pic from 2018 before we get on to december jisung. and january jisung of 2019. warning now--if you want to scroll past this post you probably should now, because you may actually collapse after that. but let’s have a little fun first! here’s jisung from that day yall already know--yup. this day. here we go. 

yup. last blonde jisung you’ll be getting, because we are moving into 2018 jisung. 

hold up. actually, i lied. you’ll get one more blonde jisung--but beware. we’re moving into award show era. ready? no? oh well, here you go anyways. let’s have king jisung from this award show--the one i cannot remember the name of but whatever :)

ah, right! the asia artist awards. ahaha the good old asas. oh well, i’m sure you don’t care about that--i mean, are you LOOKING AT THIS pIC? this day will always be remembered as the day jisung told changbin to move bitch and let him walk the center of the red carpet. anywho, yeap! this is the last blonde jisung, i swear. we’re moving into--shudder--mama era jisung. nothing else to say, here we go. 

uh huh. i’ll give you a minute, don’t worry. blue haired jisung was the reign of all jisungs and fight me. FI G H T ME. what tf happened to the cute child from january? this ain’t him. this is a lil demon right here. i will never, ever get over december 2018 mama jisung. never. 

but we’re not done here, tho! because the awards shows went on into january! and february! but don’t worry, i won’t kill you with all the pics. just one. let’s move on to faded silver haired-jisung, or the radiance of all the awards show of 2019. 

here you go! have fun with this one! this jisung was out to kill us all--i still don’t think i’m over it, ya know? but like, whatever. i’m just out here tryna bias this satan of a person, you know. that’s how it be.

aannddd finally, let’s move on to current han jisung. han jisung right now. han jisung on march 25, 2019, as in exactly one year after he debuted. let’s take a look at what han jisung looks like these days. :) 

here we have a nice old han jisung from just a couple of days ago! isn’t that great? we love this man. 

i hate him get the demon away from me lord help me--

but let’s just appreciate his growth. ngl, i didn’t think he could change much when i was watching the survival show because of how gorgeous he was already, but god damnit he did and he killed me several times along the way. a

and that was the story of han jisung since debut! still don’t see the growth, scroll back up, don’t read my inserts, and look at the last pic again. i’m sure you see it by now. let’s appreciate han jisung growing up everybody! i’m totally not crying, and you aren’t either. but yeah!

i love him a lot and you should love him too, even when he had braces because he was a cute lil mtf back then and i miss him a lot. 

but yeah! that’s it i have no closure for this post so goodbye :) 

[airgf]

How much do you weigh

ok this is gonna be a long response lol

anon i’m so glad u asked omg… it was hard to narrow it downto 5 but i think we got there!! ten really is an outstanding dancer and i still don’t think he has enough recognition for it (even among nctzens!!) so lets go:

1. we’re starting off predebut this was the FIRST EVER video i saw of ten and i was like…. entranced . impressive bearing in mind i had no interest in dance previously. his hair and outfit is phenomenal like we NEED more ten in shorts again i miss it he used to wear shorts all the time. and he looks so happy!! also when he messed up in the 2nd verse with that huge smile.. cutie

2. hit the stage!!!! a lot of people talk about his devil’s stage which is understandable because ten acting possessed is hot as fuck but personally i prefer this one. he did win this round! obviously his dance is top notch but what really shines through here is ten’s acting and his facial expressions… he plays the character so brilliantly and that’s what puts it on the next level. also the moment where the music stops and he points to the ceiling. powerful. possibly my favourite ten performance:

3. dream in a dreeeeeaaaammm omg ok. what makes this performance special was that we had to wait for ages to get a performance due to the fact it’s a station song and ten’s knee injury (but we forgive his knee it protected him from military enlistment). now diad is my fave song but that’s a whole other post so we’re leaving that. the choreo for this song is so so so so beautiful so opulent so elegant so exquisite so artistic. just look at the way it ebbs and flows and blooms. its so relaxing but so emotional at the same time. and ten floors it

4. ok finally we have NEW HEROES much more energetic and also like… extremely difficult idk how he didn’t break something doing this. there are so many movements throughout that he does so cleanly and sharply!! and he blends them so effortlessly with smoother movements luv it is beautiful x . also this is the dance practice bc the fancams i found are too zoomed in and u really do need to see his whole body for this one. idk how he can do this many things at once

5. last but not least we have lovely!! if you haven’t seen rainbow v, ten and sicheng actually choreographed this themselves and man did they deliver. ok there are several points to make about this one, firstly i love the style of dance they used here not only because it suits the song very well, but it’s also sicheng’s main(? or best?) style of dance and you can see him shine here much more than the other choreos he’s been a part of. also the way they portrayed a story through the dance came across so well and it’s so so dynamic and compelling. i hate sm ent with every fiber of my being but i’m glad they let wayv showcase their artistic freedom within this project

and that is the top 5!! some honourable mentions are:

CUT YOUR TEETH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zFzJ_GQPcw

BASSBOT UNIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hSQGm-YMWc (ten is the one with the black hat, kind of tucked in white shirt and black sweats, center at the start)

BABY DON’T STOP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoJq3DND95c (tbh idk why this isn’t in the main list)

also please check out the dance covers ten has done on the nct dance channel!! (i decided to exclude them from this list bc i would never be able to get it down to 5 lol)… TALENT luv it rally talent x

[whstletomyheart]

Why YG TREASURE BOX is a complete mess and YG is playing with us. (A rant?)

First, its important to understand what or YGTB is and how it was promoted for this we should understand the events that happened before.

NOTE: YG will be referred to as a they since there are other people besides YHS Making the Decisions.

All of YG’s boy groups were made through survival shows.

BIGBANG=BIGBANG DOC

WINNER=WIN

IKON=WIN/M&M

So it was pretty obvious that they would reuse this concept for their new bg.

Now its safe to assume that the group was set to be made around Bang Yedam, he’s popular in Korea plus that he was the moat famous trainee .

Now this is the general assumption that the original silver boys lineup ot11 were the lineup set up to debut. This is the reason why they were promoted through Mixnine (GonSukKyu) and Stray Kidz (YG vs JYP). But we all know Mixnine failed and that some trainees left making YG To rethink their concept and lineup.

Now we must remember that prior to the show starting YG teased that Yedam, Hyunsuk and Raesung were basically confirmed members.

Raesung, due to personal reasons decided to not participate in the show (the best decisions honestly).

Currently YG as a company is at a point were every fandom in it has problems with the company. This is all due to the amount of mismanagement towards the majority if not all the groups and artists. YG despite being the house of great and unique artists doesn’t know how to mange them which leads to long hiatus, less music and cbs,etc.

Now lets analyze the problems with the shows format. Moat idol survival shows have the same format. Which is simply individual competition. This means that the contestants will be evaluated and the voting will be individual or 1 pick (produce 101).

YGTB showed the beginning to be more a team survival show in other words a group compete with other groups (Win). But around the second and third episode its revealed that the show will be individual, shifting the format. This is first seen strange since a consistent theme in YGs previous groups is their teamwork but this is because since predebut the trainees are grouped into groups.

In the show we are never truly explained about how the show works and if it is its vague and very contrictdactory. Plus a lot of unfair and frankly weird things are shown ( compared to other survival shows)

Examples of this are:

• Number of final lineup is always changing: from 7 to 9 to 7 to 6 to 5 to 7 it would change depending the mood od the ceo.

• YHS changes rules at whim: YHS changes or adds rules

• Missions: the missions to compete against the treasure team were barely explained. Winpink came to the show mostly just for name Dropping cause they didn’t show why they chose who they chose. The ep were winner 2seung was going to examine their performances was cut to almost nothing more than click Bait.

• The rounds or missions made little sense , at the beginning it 1:1 , then 2:2 (duo), then team genre(?)/concept (in my opinion they weren’t that different in my opinion to be a concept eval but oh well)and putting a position battle at the end ……makes little sense

In Produce and other shows its usually a cover, position, concept and then original song evaluation. Showing the growth.

• Lack of original ygtb songs most survival shows make their own songs fir the concept and final evaluations (example Mixnine). YG is company that prides on self production but not once was this used despite various trainee being able to ( Yedam, Hyunsuk, Byounggon, Asahi, Yoshinori, etc.) . Even if the boys couldn’t yg producers could’ve made songs just like in Mixnine.

• Lack of fan events besides liking a trainees video and channel there weren’t chances for the fans to feel really close to them. With the individual channels they could’ve done random lives but no. Or fanmeetings.

Despite this the show did release a series of interesting content that honestly saved the show.

• Not letting all the trainees participate in the treasure swap and cutting and not airing the performances certain trainees made. Leaving the fans to have to watch fancams.

Now to explain the real mess, throughout the whole show fans were confused on how they could help their faves in terms of voting. YG opens voting till the last 2 episodes and makes it a group voting meaning you have to vote for a group of trainees. According to fans this means that the lineup with most votes will have an advantage to debut. On the last ep its revealed that Isn’t case at all. The trainees only got extra points depending on how many ranks or lineups they were in. In other words again it was individual voting. They didn’t explain this till ep 10 when the voting’s was done. Along with this they added the final nail to the coffin. These online votes were only worth 20% of the final score. With onsite votes at a 30%. But YHS gets 50% of the score, so basically YHS gets to choose at the end od the day so fan votes mean close to nothing. If a trainee did well on votes but isn’t YGs fave they wont pass and vice versa.

On top of all of this YG makes sure fans aren’t in the recording of the ranking to obviously avoid discord and only announces half the lineup for what we can only assume is for drama. Only YG and some staff know the lineup. Instead of releasing it all its adding more anxiety and desperation . Which can be seen in the fighting, the rumors and spamming.

Now that we’ve established that YGTB is a mess of a show that makes Mixnine look good, lets talk about favoritism and screentime. And why I don’t understand YGs intentions and the lineup.

Ok let get this out of the way YG/YHS always plays favorites, this isn’t new at all. We can see in the show that there are trainees YHS likes way more compared to others. In other words he tends to be very biased. On top that he likes to brag. The first ep is basically look at all the visuals I got.

All it takes is to watch the show to know who Yg/YHS like more baaed on screentime and arcs made. Lets Look at the confirmed members most got solid screentime. Yedam is pushed from the get go to being a super star trainee that is basically god where other trainees don’t want to be against him. Junkyu is cute and talented a good future asset, we see how he gets screentime from the start with his confidence arc. Plus its important to note that in Mixnine YHS’s fave was Junkyu . Haruto from the start was the Japanese trainee YG was interested in and he Gets the most screentime from the Japanese trainees. Jeongwoo was promoted through his vocal and how yg likes him, he gets attention. Junghwan On the other hand gets way less screentime then the other member but still way more than other less known trainees.

That being said a lot of the team b, team c and team j trainees get very little to no screentime. Jongseob who won Kpop Star didn’t get much screentime and performance was cut. Mashiho’s screentime is mostly reactions or being a friend.

Silver boys got the most screentime overall they focused a lot on their teamwork and bond giving fans the hope that they would debut. Which is were im frankly confused and would love to understand the why.

Why make silver boys participate in this show and emphasize so much on them for basically nothing?

Why bring Jihoon back?

Why bring Seunghun back?

After hours and hours of thinking and reading opinions. I came to a few theories:

A) YG wants to debut a fresh, young and visual new bg. For whatever reason, so choosing the younger trainees makes sense. Probably modeled around Yedam for a more pop sound in comparison to WinKon Some accounts state that a lot of kfans were pushing yg for a younger and visual group. Basically discarding the older trainees. Also this lineup has YGs faves who were the younger ones. If this is true YG will debut Yoonbin and Masiho or Yoonbin and Jaehyuk (his screentime in the last episodes makes me think so). Basically in this theory YG had an idea from the get go and they only used the silver boys for clout. This is the theory that makes me the saddest tbh. But still it doesn’t explain why yg would care so much about silver boys. Like bringing them back and emphasizing so mucho on how they’re a team. Plus it discards the power Hyunsuk has with one of the most stable fandoms.

B) The theory before the lineup was dropped was that yg Is testing the silver boys for the last time which made sense till the last episode. But SB stans have been very loud and spammed his Instagram, trended a hashtag and are contacting companies. This means they have a strong fandom so this might help.

C) YG will add more members to the lineup I think 9 is more realistic than 11. Based on screentime maybe Hyunsuk + Seunghun.

D) YG will debut all of ot13, doubt this since YG hasn’t have that big of a group and I don’t think YG can handle it. If it was SM yeah but not this. (I like this one tho )

E) YG will debut ot13 but in 2 teams a pop team and hip-hop team. Pop=treasure7 Hip-hop=silver boys +a member (I love this)

F) YG will debut SB but under the black label.

G) YG wont do anything except debuting the og treasure7 . And the sbs will leave the company and split up.

These are all the theories I have.

Tldr: YGTB has a lot of flaws as a survival show being extremely unfair and the situation with the lineup is the most chaotic thing ever. Whatever yg does will make people mad.

The worst part is that it worked as always YG doing the minimal manages to pull us in just to disappoint us. Just that he managed to drag more people this time.

At this point I’m done with the guessing and the rumors, I just really want to know what’s going on and the security that my faves are ok even if they’re in or not in the group. Cause not debuting in the group isn’t the end they can debut with another group or go solo. My point is that it isnt the end for their careers.

[dreamchoerry]

WHAT I LOVE ABOUT EACH LOONA MEMBER

HEEJIN

ah our beautiful centre

i admire this girl so much for everything she does

she is so so so talented

basically a full package - beautiful singer, dancer and personality

since she debuted first out of loona i’m sure that it must have been extremely hard for her to promote as loona literally came out of nowhere

always lovingly supporting her members

VISUALLLSSSSS

vivid was an absolute bop

OH MY GOSH YES

SAY OH MY GOODNESs

went through some hard times in mixnine but still pushed through which i am extremely proud of

the center that loona deserves and needs

HYUNJIN

ah the bread lover

our beloved second member

first of all - what she did for heejin in mixnine was extremely brave and amazing and despite all the unnecessary hate she got for it; she did IT FOR HEEJIN’S GOOD

VISUAL GODDESS #2

also MAIN DANCER pop off!!!!!!!

her voice is absolutely beautiful

like around you was such a beautiful song?!!!!!???

like woowwwwww

this bih is also so EXTRA

like same

her personality is also relatable and funny and she always cracks me up

give this girl a lot more love orbits because she truly truly truly deserves it 

i honestly can’t wait to see more of her talent in future comebacks, hyunjin is truly talented!!???

HASEUL

ah the mother and leader of loona

first of all VOCAL QUEENNNNN!!!!!!

have you heard this woman sing opera?!????!!

she honestly hits those high notes with such ease

i honestly cried when i heard her angelic voice

also let me in was such a beautiful mv and song 

VIsuAL goddess #3

i always love how she’s takes care of the members especially yeojin and vivi

also she is so kind and beautiful and talented

yg can shut up

also have you seen this girl in loona’s appearances on variety shows so far?

like i can’t believe she wants to be in a cf for a bank

we stan an ambitious queen

YEOJIN

ah the loud maknae

this child is honestly such a crackhead

but i love her so much

i honestly got biaswrecked by her so much in the favOrite mv

she’s loud asf but she is honestly so kind and caring and cute

like i just want to squish her cheeks and keep her in my pocket

this girl is deadass only 16 but so so so so talented

also ehm ViSUALLL GODDESS #4

kiss later is such a bop as well

i loved everyhting about it

the only i would mention is that there weren’t enough frogs 

please give our maknae heaps and heaps of love and support

debuting at such a young age has it’s hardships and obstacles so orbits shower our talented frog with the love that she deserves

VIVI

our robot queen

um Visual GOddess #5 obviously

such a precious cinnamon roll i swear

the fact that she came to South Korea to become a trainee when she wasn’t good at Korean

also she my poor baby had such a hard time during her trainee days she got through it!!!!

everyday i love you was the cutest song and i was deadass squealing the whole time

and have you seen this woman’s predebut model photos

we stan a world class model

extremely underrated tbh 

so orbits give her all your support!!!

the cutest and most beautiful human being in the world

she is so talented and hardworking and i love her to death

KIM LIP

it’s kim lippington!!!!!

she made me her bitch during eclipse

like everything about that song and mv was perfection

one of my fave loona songs for sure

main dancer can get it

also her vocals are so gorgeous???!!!!!

she can pull off any look tbh 

VISUal GOddess #6

she’s so talented and beautiful, basically a full package

the amount of love that she receives from orbits makes me so happy

from loonatv it is so obvious to see how hardworking she is

and how much she cares about her members even when she’s not the oldest

basically i love this girl so much and i know she will absolutely slay the next comeback

JINSOUL

our beautiful blue beta fish

singing in the rain was the biggest bop and such a beautiful mv

we stan a mermaid guys

VISUALLLL GODDESSSS #7

i think she basically ruined everyone when she debuted

i don’t blame anyone though

i died and was resurrected ten times while watching that video

humble queen

also she says her charm is being dumb but was really smart at school???!?!?!?!

doesn’t give herself enough credit

super talented: can play the piano, dance, sing like an angel and dance with an eyepatch on

overall this girl is such a sweetheart and she deserves all the love from orbits all over the world

CHOERRY

finally the time has come for my biassss

CHOI YERIM is literally the most amazing, beautiful girl ever

VIsual GOddesss #8

like i just literally fell in love with her since love cherry motion

WHICh is SUch A bOp

that PURPLE DRESS

and the beat drop!!!!!

she is so positive and kind and beautiful and adorable

you can tell from a mile away how much she loves every single one of members 

it has come to my attention that choerry’s vocals are so so so so gorgeous and it just shocks that she doesn’t get more lines

bbc please

once again a full package: dancing, visuals, vocals

also have you seen her purple hair in the xx teaserrrr!!!!!!!

YVES

MAIN DANCER SWAN!!!!!!

dude this girl

dude

first of all VISUAL GODDESSS!!!!

new was such an amazing and unique song and i loved every second of it

she’s is such an amazing dancer and so graceful just like her representative animal lol

i’m so glad she’s getting alot of appreciation for her dancing, visuals and vocals

also her vocals!!!!! have you heard the high notes she has done!!!!

CHUU

and now it comes to literally the cutest girl alive

you’re lying if you say that she hasn’t bias wrecked you yet

VISUAL GODDESS #10

CHUURIAH CAREY !!!!!

her vocals are just amazing. she has such wonderful voice colour and thos high notes she sometimes hits are absolutely amazing

has such a cute face and personality

but when a badass song comes on she literally changes 

like have you seen fancams of her performing favOrite 

like woowwww

i love like choerry how chuu would be one of the people to cheer up her members especially when things get hard

GOWON

yesss the crunchy queen

first of all the biggest crackhead and dork in loona

don’t fight me on that 

she is such a kid hahahah

VISUAL GODDESS #11

but literally her vocals and her rapping voice is so unique

they’re both crunchy

dude even her normal speaking voice is crunchy

but seriously she is such a talented member and i’m so so so glad she debuted with loona

also i’m so excited to see her in this next comeback 

like whoooo let’s go orbits

OLIVIA HYE

we have arrived at the last member

aka as our baby wolf

aka as my biaswrecker

first of all VISUAL GODDESS #12 (let’s be real everyone in loona is a visual)

egoist has to be my favorite loona solo song

like the aesthetics and the mv were sooo goodddd

she may only be the 2nd youngest but this girl can pop off

like her part in hi high and favorite and love4eva

we STANNNN

also another dork 

we stan a gamer girl

deadass olivia’s voice is so unique and i love her and her voice so much!!!!

[fyjjong]

in the last three years (and three months) that i have had this blog open it has helped me ... a lot. it has been a source for not only distraction but a good use of my free time. it's also helped me when i've felt anxious and i've been able to meet a handful of friends that i hold very near and dear to me through it. beyond this, through the 32,900(+) followers that i have gained, i have been able to have countless interesting and heartwarming conversations that i would never take back or take for granted. each and every one of you has been nothing short of kind and gracious toward me which, in my opinion, is a lot more than i deserve as a simple blog admin. despite this, i want to gave back to you all somehow and the best way that i was able to think of doing so can be found below: at the linked below you can find a very ... deeply organized maze of folders. this is the entirety of my archival folder that i have on my personal computer. these images and videos took me years to collect, whether it be simply through saving or downloading or taking my own personal screencaptures. the content spans the entirety of jonghyun and shinee's career. i have made everything completely public so you may do whatever you please with the content as long as it is properly credited to the watermarked, etc. you can download it all, you can download some or you can just bookmark it to come back and look at when you feel like doing so. due to the high gigabite count across the board for the files (and my not really having the spare money to buy up extra google drive space at the moment) i had to split everything between two accounts. an early note that this is not a definitive collection of all of the photos of jonghyun out there. that’d be impossible to have, but it’s everything that i do have that i haven’t uploaded onto fyjjong already. you can easily find anything that isn’t included by going through either the archive or looking through the pages located under the dates page on the main blog. with the date and event folders all are organized by year, event and fansite.  link #1 (click here): fantaken and newstaken photos from 2014 - 2017. album scans, blue night radio (older official photos), endorsements, hello baby, inkigayo bts, older official board photos, photoshoots (both official pictures and scans - mostly pre-2015), predebut photos, screencaptures (from bts videos, fancams and variety), selfies (older), starcall videos (with english subtitles), naver starcast photos, ufo photos and videos (various bts, cfs, undated fancams, photoshoot bts / interviews, some yunhanam bts, misc stuff). total files: 3,491 link #2 (click here): fantaken and newstaken photos from 2008 - 2013. total files: 17,370 other than wanting to give back to you all my primary reason for doing this is pretty simple: i have a queue set up on fyjjong to post one photo a day until the start of april. this is, in my opinion, the best way that i can take care of myself as i do not feel that i am emotionally ready to update archival content of jonghyun into my queue that is simply that: archival. i will get to that in due time but, until then, i didn't want everything to just ... sit around collecting dust on my computer so this is my gift to you - for being so great and supportive, especially over the last week.

[starry-kfics]

Hello!! So, I've recently taken an interest in ASTRO? And I was wondering if y'all knew of any performances/comeback stages/ whatever that would be good to watch to get a good feel of the group? You know? Lol, anyway, thank you for your time!!

i legitimately got so excited when i saw this ask bc one of my favorite things abt astro is their live stages and i have an entire playlist of my favorite live stages (from all my groups) so i’m hype to rec some for you!! literally any astro performance is good, they have such an incredible energy on stage and unique stage presence that they blow me away in every single one. i’ll go from debut up through crazy sexy cool [under the cut]

sorry if this is like way too much for you; if it is, feel free to watch just one from each era or something!!

cat’s eye

- quick breakdown of this song, it was like their predebut debut; it was the featured song in their predebut webdrama ‘to be continued’, and so the mv was released before they debuted

- mv - show champion live stage (cat’s eye + their other Fantastic Song polaris) (polaris is the origin of eunwoo’s iconic ‘gachi gallae?’)

hide & seek

- okay so now we’re officially at debut; their concept for their first four mini albums was to make one for every season, and hide & seek is the title track of the first one, spring up; also has the Most Iconic astro dance move imo (the lil pyramid thing they do @ the beginning w bin on top)

- performance m/v - showchampion live stage (i’m partial to the green outfits whoops) - dance practice (always watch to the very end of astro dance practices)

breathless

- first comeback!! this mini album is titled summer vibes and features literally one of the most catchy astro songs ever i get it stuck in my head once a week; another Iconic astro dance move is born with eunwoo holding mj and moving him like a lil airplane

- dance practice - inkigayo live stage (the orange outfits were the cutest fight me) - special stage (they’re wearing cute animal hats what more could u want; also, skip to 2:15 for the actual performance)

growl

- this isn’t astro’s song nor is it even all of astro lmao; it’s a rookie special stage of knk, snuper, and astro covering exo’s growl. the astro members that participated are rocky, moonbin, and sanha!!

- link

can’t help myself

- this also isn’t the entirety of astro, just jinjin; it’s actually an eric nam live stage where jinjin was featured for the rap part!! he absolutely kills it, and he’s like bffs w eric now (fun fact: vernon from svt was featured in another performance of this song and did the rap)

- link

fireworks

- this is another song from summer vibes that they were able to do a live stage of and it’s super cute!!!

- link

confession

- boy oh boy autumn story was The Era for so many reasons but mainly bc confession is just such a damn good song (R-O-C-K-Y) and they promoted it really well too!!

- performance @ the 26th seoul music awards (not typical stage outfits for this era: RED AND BLACK SUITS) - mnet presents performance (filmed during baby era!!) - music core stage (red outfits were superior dont even @ me) - relay dance

replay

- astro did special stage cover of shinee’s replay where rocky and jinjin sing (aka the birth of vocalist rocky, the best thing to grace the earth in 2016)

- link

winter dream

- i didn’t put a specific song, i just did the mini album title bc they didn’t really promote normally during this era with a bunch of live stages on music shows of a title track, they have some stages where they sing should’ve held on (also called again), and they also did some stuff with you&me, which is their song to aroha (their fans) saying thank you for everything and its real cute

should’ve held on/again

- dance practice - kcon la performance - kcon mexico performance - kcon japan performance (intro + again) - kstar live power music (again + baby)

you&me

- special ddoca (this isnt a performance its just them being dorky and cute;; basically a self mv of m&y) - astroad to dc (fancam)

don’t look back

- this is their first time on immortal songs 2 (i cant tell you much abt the premise of the show but from what i can tell they have to prepare a medley or cover or special performance of stuff and astro kills it every time)

- link

baby

- the truly ‘refreshing idol’ era with dream part 01 and it’s also the one that made me fall in love with astro; their stage outfits are literally the best thing ever the aesthetically pleasing ergonomic lines and colorblocking makes literally every baby stage my favorite whoops

- performance mv - dance practice - mcountdown stage - 2x faster vers (from when they went on weekly idol) - relay dance

la bamba

- they were in mexico for kcon mexico and these kings of language did a wonderful cover of la bamba 12/10 would recommed

- link

with you

- their second time on immortal songs 2 and they killed it yet again

- link

because it’s you

- they had a couple short stages of it and its one of my favorite songs so

- link (short) - another link (short) - one more link (full; mwave meet&greet)

crazy sexy cool

- their most recent comeback song in dream part 02 (as of march 2018 when i’m writing this) and they finally have completely dropped the super cutesy stuff; this one was a much more mature comeback but they maintained their refreshing imagine somehow being ‘refreshing sexy’ idk what that entails but they did it

- simply kpop (leather jackets lord have mercy) - dance practice - special dance practice (they goof off and they’re six entire dorks that i love so much) - relay dance - music bank (red!!suits!!) - mbc music (arohas are in the background making shapes and words with little white papers or smth its so cute!!)

run

- they also did full and short stages of this upbeat ballad (is that even a thing) from dream part 02 and its real cute; vocalist rocky has returned to murder us all and jinjin gets to sing again (he’s rlly improved since the last time im proud of my sweet rap boy)

- show champion (short) - simply kpop (full) - mwave meet&greet (full)

beautiful lady

- their third time on immortal songs 2 and this is by far my favorite its funny and well done and just some hq astro content

- link

to you

- they went on a show called sugarman 2 (again, idk much abt the premise of the show but they were on the same ep w red velvet which was cute) and im p sure this is a song cover but anyway i love it a lot (and there’s a pro recording of it available on apple music)

- link

christmas songs

- they had a couple christmas special stages this season that were absolutely adorable

- carol medley - must have love

so that was my list of astro live stages that i hope will help you!! i’m sorry if its too much, i kinda went overboard bc i love pretty much each and every performance they do

i went back to look @ the original ask and i realized that u wanted just a few to get a feel of the group but instead i spent 1.5 hrs making an exhaustive list of quality astro live stages my bad my true trashy aroha self is showing again

if there’s other arohas who have some more good live stages to add, feel free to reblog with those links!!

- mel

[chiwoopsie]

Dude...

I watched the twice stage and was mainly like OH MY GOD, thEIR OUTFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAMA was fire!! I cant believe u tried (tried) to stay up to watch it lmao im STILL making my way through the performances slowly. I keep rewatching taemins performance (KING) and agreed boa is amaaazing, such effortless charisma and movement. Looking forward to kingdom - do u kno when that’s airing? I see some atinys a bit apprehensive about the show but hope itll go well!!

As a san stan i totally just went WOAHHH when answer came on and he just dramatically raised the glass while stARING into the camera. I feel like hes been constantly improving on his stage presence 😩💞 and omg fave ateez stages?? Aaaaaa i love everything they did as dance performances as kq fellas, wish they would do something like that again, theyre such good dancers that i would love to see them on a stage with plain black hoodies and hats again even tho i know its not very Idol(tm).

Fave fancam: https://youtu.be/aEiZhQttQ4E

Fave stage: https://youtu.be/gcO-3KO38QA (bc san and seonghwa WENT OFF)

Fave fun video to rewatch: https://youtu.be/5nmhTfeQM7Y

Wbu??? Rec me some stages/fave atz videos of urs

- 🎄

yaasss i very much agree! I heard kingdom was going to start filming in january if all goes well in terms of covid..but i’m excited too^^ ofc survival shows are always prone to evil editing and manipulation but i think ateez will thrive on kingdom, they have a lot to offer especially when it comes to performance 🔥🔥

I hafta admit I haven’t checked out their predebut dance vids that much 😅 but OMG that hala hala literally my fave stage tooooooo, those red outfits are legendary! And I love that kcon drop the dance vid!! They really popped off doing all those dances, even though they could barely hear the music hahah 

Hmm excluding the ones you mentioned and their mama performances heh...

Promise MV (one of my first atz mvs! and pretty european setting)

Inception 200812 (for the camera tilt at 3:10)

Ateez on React lol (this one got my hongjoong tunnel vision bc he was really listening to the peeps lol and it looks like they took down the other one?!?! but that was fun)

Their entire Hello82 series but esp this one bc it was too short ;;;

i could continue with the random variety videos bc theyre so funny but i’ll stop there :’)

[pashpops]

B.A.D.D.

Kpop’s bad boys, B.A.D.D.! Tryhard toughboys whose fans are obsessed with their hiphop trap soundcloud rapper “authentic real rap” sound. They’re always fighting between themselves, but it’s just healthy competition, right?

Minseok (leader), Namgyun, Jiheun (maknae), Calvin, Kyuchul

Fandom name: BADDies

Stage Name: Minseok Birth Name: Lee Min Seok Position: Leader, Low Tone Rap Birthday: 1995 Zodiac: Scorpio Height: 184cm Weight: 65kg Blood Type: A Favourite Colour: Dark blue Favourite Food: Beef hotpot Least Favourite Food: Custard tarts Hobbies: Watching action and horror movies

Minseok Facts: - His eyebrow is not styled that way, there is a real scar through it. - Used to make mixtapes with his original raps in middle school. Doesn’t have them any more, but is planning on making more! - Known for his sharp tongue and tough bad boy image, but he’s a good leader who isn’t too strict. - Doesn’t have an ideal type.

BEHIND THE SCENES DATA: - of course his nose is fake, come on bro. So is his height, he wears heel lifts. He’s not that short, he just can’t stand being shorter than Jiheun. - VERY ill-tempered and prone to rude and angry outbursts. Gets away with it because of his “real rapper” image but he’s gotten in a bit of trouble with the company for his snappish personality. - previously dated Sunghoon of Passion Pop while they were both in the same company in their teens, both were kicked out for constant verbal and physical fighting. - bisexual and kind of in denial about it despite him being the one who fell for and pursued Sunghoon and him not even being close to the one and only dude he’s been attracted to - the toxic masculinity is REAL

Stage Name: Namgyun Birth Name: Kim Nam Gyun Position: High tone rap Birthday: 1996 Zodiac: Taurus Height: 180cm Weight: 68kg Blood Type: O Favourite Colour: Dark red, light green Favourite Food: Pizza Least Favourite Food: Mushrooms Hobbies: Working out

Namgyun Facts: - Wants people who are doing poorly at school to look at him and be inspired, because he was one of the worst students in his high school and barely graduated, but look at him now! - Thinks his charms are his pecs, his smile, then his freckles. - Usually cheerful and bright, but can be really petty, especially when people pit him against Kyuchul, who he has somewhat of a push-and-pull relationship with. - His ideal type is someone slim but athletic with short hair who is good at leading, because he wants someone to join him at the gym, but he’s also a little indecisive and needs someone to take care of him.

BEHIND THE SCENES DATA: - dumb as hell - realised he was bisexual just before debut and hasn’t really had a chance to sort through his feelings. - huge crush on Minseok but is aware of the fact that he used to date Sunghoon and doesn’t want to step on his toes now he has to deal with seeing him all the time again now. - his relationship with Kyuchul is mostly for the fans, but they’ve hooked up a few times to relieve stress.

Stage Name: Jiheun Birth Name: Lim Ji Heun Position: Main Dancer, Maknae Birthday: 2000 Zodiac: Aries Height: 183cm Weight: 70kg Blood Type: A Favourite Colour: Dark green Favourite Food: Sashimi, samgyeopsal Least Favourite Food: Vegetables Hobbies: Video games

Jiheun Facts: - Youngest child of a wealthy family. - Learned to drive in a Porsche. - Maknae on top. - Though B.A.D.D. doesn’t have an official visual member, everyone in the group except for Kyuchul ranks him as the most attractive member. - Thinks his charms are his very pale skin and his height. - Fave character is the Joker and has a Joker phone case. - Ideal type is a petite, modest and loyal girl with long straight black hair.

BEHIND THE SCENES DATA: - very heterosexual and a total playboy who was very popular in high school, the company is constantly covering up his dating scandals and general womanising - has zero respect for his hyungs, especially not Minseok, who he easily manipulates to get his way. - friends since predebut with Wooshik of Passion Pop, but they try to keep it on the down-low because they don’t want their real life friendship to become a TV thing. - knows his fandom is insane and isn’t above weaponising them by acting cute or sad on camera.

Stage Name: Calvin Birth Name: Calvin Cho Position: Main Vocal Birthday: 1996 Zodiac: Sagittarius Height: 177cm Weight: 67kg Blood Type: O Favourite Colour: Aqua, reddish-purple Favourite Food: Jjajangmyeon, garlic bread Least Favourite Food: Any sort of innards or “weird” meat like pig trotters because he’s squeamish Hobbies: Karaoke, video games

Calvin Facts: - Born in Ontario, Canada, but moved back to Korea when he was 15. - Speaks Korean, English, French, and Mandarin. - Skinship and aegyo monster. - Self-proclaimed “cutest member”. - Ideal type is someone cute and short who he can take care of. 

BEHIND THE SCENES DATA: - despite his “warm boyfriend” image, he’s a total sleazebag who is always thinking about sex. Looks at a lot of porn and hentai manga. His tastes range from huge-titted milfs to anthros to twink maids. - has a secret stan twitter account (of course “she” is Calvin-biased) which he mostly uses to promote his own fancams and nitpick fan translations. Ended up getting blocked by half the fandom (so, the Jiheun Protection Squad) after criticising a fansub where Jiheun insults Calvin quite rudely but was translated to be softer/less rude. - VERY physically attracted to Jamie of Passion Pop, always pushing the “calmie” agenda when they’re on shows together (and on his secret twitter account), and as they’re both English speakers, they get paired up a lot. However, they don’t actually get along despite their fanservicey behaviour and it’s obvious even to fans, so...

Stage Name: Kyuchul Birth Name: Song Kyu Chul Position: Vocal, Rap, Dance Birthday: 1994 Zodiac: Capricorn Height: 176cm Weight: 66kg Blood Type: O Favourite Colour: Black Favourite Food: Tonkotsu ramen Least Favourite Food: Tomato Hobbies: Telling jokes, bullying Namgyun

Kyuchul Facts: - Mood maker of the group. - Very sassy. - Likes picking on Namgyun because he’s easy to fool and cute when he’s angry. - Last-minute addition to the group, was originally going to debut in another group but the company thought he’d suit B.A.D.D. more. - Even though he has six years of idol training, he only spent a few weeks with the members predebut. - B.A.D.D.’s varietydol, despite what Calvin would like to think. - Though B.A.D.D. doesn’t have an official visual member, he claims that it’s him, and his looks are very popular with fans (especially his eyesmile and dimples), so he and Jiheun are always fighting about it. - Ideal type is someone innocent and cheerful, but with a glamorous body.

BEHIND THE SCENES DATA: - not very close with any of the members, actively dislikes Jiheun. - his relationship with Namgyun is mostly for the fans, but they’ve hooked up a few times to relieve stress. And he does think Namgyun is cute when he’s angry, even though he mostly likes girls. - very bitter about the younger Minseok being the leader of the group, and does not listen to him at all. - the definition of petty and vindictive. Will stab you in the back and spread nasty rumours about you for as little as accidentally bumping into him one time.

[0001204]

CALL OUT POST TO BIGHIT AND ARMY

I’ll mainly be focusing on the excuses that people love to bring up, and then some.

Here I go:

Excuse 001: The Visual

It’s cultural relativism when Jin gets called “fat/pig”, both by BigHit and workers, and by “fans” as a form of “enderment”, even though he’s time and time shown that he gets hurt by these things. But everyone was hellbent on trashing him when he called Jimin “fat” in a DISSING GAME; even after he apologised. Seokjin is not someone who’s fully confident in his visuals. The way he stood in his predebut photos clearly shows someone who LACKED confidence. Again, ARMY can catch a glimpse of this insecurity in Jin’s last solo VLIVE about his choppy bangs and dieting, even after all these years. Being marketed by BigHit as a “visual” does not mean that Seokjin feels this way about himself.

I understand that Jin was not vocally-strong, thus is promoted as a visual and did not get many lines during the early stages of BTS. Fine. The least BigHit could have done was actually promote him as a VISUAL during debut. Which they barely did. Not on variety shows, not on dramas, not on solo work, not in their own MVs, not on their own products. If Jin is to be promoted as a VISUAL, then AT LEAST give him screentime. SOMETHING a “visual” should get. If beauty is SO big in Korea, then why is BigHit not promoting it/him (a la centre/face)? Never have I seen a company, through my 12+ years in kpop, not promote their visual, EVER. Secondly, it’s completely unprofessional to go through their OWN products, and NOT realise that a MEMBER is cut out/missing (in addition to the two prominent examples floating around, there’s another official photobook where his whole being is covered by Jungkook; you can only make out his leg).

Excuse 002: The Vocal

Seokjin’s vocals have been up for debate, and I understand that. As I mentioned before, his lack of lines in the early stages of BTS is understandable. BUT he’s a VOCAL. He’s not a part of a dance team, he’s not a part of a band, and he’s not a part of an acting troupe. He’s a part of an idol group where HE IS A VOCAL. If he was a part of any of the aforementioned groups and didn’t get to sing, then that’s understandable. The lack of lines, as a vocal, in an idol group…IS NOT. He has proven multiple times that he can hold his own to the rest of the members, and has improved immensely. He’s proven multple times that he’s often the MOST STABLE in their lives WHILE dancing just as hard as the rest of the members (don’t give me bullshit about how much harder dance-line dances. They follow a choreagraphy. And if they can’t sing and dance at the same time, then they must realise that they need to alter their own performance to mitigate that problem). Ballads? BTS’ discography has multiple ballads and slow-tempo songs: Spring Day, Butterfly, Hold Me Tight, et cetera, to name a few. Yet, once again, he GETS THE LEAST NUMBER OF LINES. So I don’t understand why some fans and BigHit’s producers claim that Seokjin’s voice is only suited for ballads yet not give him more lines. ANOTHER THING. BigHit’s producers are garbage. If someone is paid to produce music for artists, then they should be qualified to create music that suits their consumers (BTS/who ever buys and uses their music). Producers are working FOR artists. It doesn’t matter if his voice doesn’t “match” the style of the song. That’s bullshit and shows how “good” (read: bad) BigHit’s producers actually are. If BigHit’s producers produced music FOR their artists, Seokjin’s voice will fit the style. 

If y'all want to play, then let me focus on Spring Day LIVE specifically. In this song, Seokjin had the most lines live, and has clearly shown that he can handle the dancing and the singing. So why is that his voice is NOT the majority in the audio file??? Why ONLY live? The general public (GP) don’t care for MVs and lives. Fans do. When the GP listen to the audio, the belief of Seokjin as someone who is lacking in vocals/untalented/only the “face” continues to be promoted (indrectly) by BigHit. This impacts his popularity, and definitely his self-worth in the team (listen to “Awake” you blind troglodytes).

Excuse 003: The Hyung

In relation to self-worth, and self-esteem, this brings us to another point. There’s the belief that because Seokjin is the oldest, and that he is a grown man, he doesn’t need help and/or that he doesn’t get affected by what BigHit and ARMY does and say. Yes, he’s a grown man but he’s also a grown man bound by a contract. Many people are mentioning how he should speak up about these ongoing issues, yet they are blind to the fact that (legally) he may not have the right to speak up and/or leave. Additionally (mentioned by Jimin), Seokjin is someone who keeps his feelings to himself . He also doesn’t show his displeasure (also mentioned by himself and other members). The lack of response and interest for, and the lack of experience. opportunity, and knowledge acquired by, Seokjin also impacts how he sees himself as a contributing member in BTS, thus affecting his willingness to speak up for himself. He possibly CAN’T and WON’T (for many reasons) speak up. This is why it is important for fans to speak up about BigHit’s problems.

Excuse 004: The Being

Moving on, I’ll focus on the health of Seokjin and BTS. It is understandable that many fans worry about the health of BTS. A lot of fans don’t want BTS to overwork and stress themselves out. That is why we don’t want them to overwork. That is why we don’t want them to go on extreme diets. That is why we seek feedback from BigHit in regards to their health status; to make sure their healthy physically, emotionally, and mentally. That is why the debatability of Seokjin’s injury is laughable. In photos and fancams of the event, Jin has shown discomfort and signs of pain in his neck. Fans were clearly worried about him. Yet BigHit did not even try to explain the situation to fans; to either refute or give some sort of relief to them. The lack of feedback from BigHit is disrespectful to fans. The only feedback, thus far, ARMY has received about Seokjin is by the other members (sparingly) and by Seokjin himself. BigHit is oh so willing to provide feedback about everyone else but him. BigHit has been doing this for a LONG time. They continue to ignore what a lot (albeit, a minority) of Jin fans say. 

Furthermore, although we worry about BTS’ health. It is important to understand that the shelf-life of idols is VERY SHORT. Many idols (including BTS?) have alluded to/mentioned the fact that they would rather, willingly overwork themselves than to get no work, because IT IS their livelihood. Their personal popularity is just as, if not more, important than the group popularity. Their own popularity is what gets them work and opportunities. WORK = MONEY

Excuse 005: The Divergence and The Finale

Every single CB has been beyond frustrating. I don’t mind people having biases, that’s completely normal. But to turn a blind eye to a BLATANT problem. That’s just sad. Seokjin’s popularity and well-being is being affected by it. When Jin stans bring up this ongoing problem with BigHit, they’re labelled as antis, troublemakers, and not true ARMY. We’re always being told to just support and love him and BTS, and show more appreciation. We DO that. Many Jin stans have been doing that for YEARS. We’re done shutting up. Stop trying to shut us up. The lack of interest and outright ignorance displayed by ARMY is appalling. This clearly shows how much some fans actually care for BTS, as a whole. This kind of behaviour from some fans continue to escalate the discrepancy in popularity between members and promotes competition. It is THIS imbalance in popularity between members that BigHit sees. They’re a company. They see this lack of response and interest in him (an issue BigHit created by themselves, and a problem that ARMYs propagate) that results in Seokjin’s: reduced presence in their music, reduced presence in their products, and reduced popularity amongst fans (new and old). This is just an ongoing cycle that BigHit and ARMY has created themselves/ourselves.

Don’t try to bring in the problems of other members or other groups (i.e. “this member got hate for ABC, this member got laughed at for XYZ”). Stop derailing the argument. That’s a logical fallacy I don’t have time to deal with. This isn’t about them. This is about the MISTREATMENT of Seokjin, by BigHit and by ARMY.  

Remember children, at the end of the day BTS is a product. NOT a family, to BigHit. BTS, however, is a “family”, and source of happiness to many fans. So tell me why members would upset about what Jin stans are doing? Because members won’t get as many lines? Because Jin stans will upset the other members? Because Jin stans are hurting BigHit? Because Jin stans are creating a rift between fans? OR is it because “fans” can’t even show decent respect for Jin stans and Jin? Are they, and fans not a “family”? Family protect and love family. BTS has shown time and time again how much they love and support Seokjin in his endeavors, and how much they want his voice and input in the art they produce. To see “fans” discourage Jin and his fans is disheartening and disappointing.

BigHit AND ARMY needs to recognize that there’s a problem. This may be difficult for a lot of ARMYs to understand. But if you replace the position Seokjin is in with your fave, how do you feel? Try to be respectful and show some empathy.

We’re consumers of BTS and BigHit. We have a say in what we consume, and the right to critique BigHit and BTS. That does NOT make someone’s argument invalid or someone a hater. Criticism is NOT hate. Criticism promotes change and growth. That shows maturity, and respect for BTS as artists, and as grown capable men. 

TLDR: LOVE and SUPPORT KIM SEOK JIN. LOVE BTS. We’re not hating. Stop being so transparent and open your goddamn eyes.

I don’t want this to get lost. I don’t care about the notes. I just want people to understand.

[je0nghans]

hello! i'm very new to seventeen and the whole fanbase and i've learned their names only few days ago and i still mix them up sometimes lol. i wanted to know a bit more about the whole fanbase, inside jokes and the boys too :) i hope you can help me out a little and i hope that i'm not bothering you! have a nice day and thank you if you answer ♥ and if you don't have time or interest in answering this maybe you could recommend me a blog who would do so instead? thanks again ^^

ahh a new carat im bursTING

and dont worry youre not bothering me at all dont worry! I’m glad you ask me honestly!

So um i’ve known the boys since around 2013 lmao I saw a gif of mingyu and was like wHO IS THIS FIne SPECIMEN  but yk at the time he was just known as mr. wristband lmao rip *war flashbacks to watching seventeen tv at 5am without english subs*but I’m pretty forgetful and some of these stuff were a while ago ;;;; im sorry ;; If anyone has more to add please reblog this an add some im sorry ;A;;;

Firstly, I recommend going through pledis17′s faq page, about page and member profiles it’s really helpful! Also go through their tags for official pictures, fantaken pictures, fancams, videos (including eng sub!) and a lot of their other content!

I also recommend looking at some fyeah blogs and their member profiles as well. I mentioned pledis17 above but there’s also: @fy-scoups, @jeonghandata, @joshua-data, @fy-junhui, @fyhoshi, @fyjeonwonwoo, @fywoozi, @fyseokmin, @fuckyeahmingyu, @fyeahthe8, @datakwan, @v-hansolchoi, @dinodata, @fyjihan

Obviously there’s more but those are the ones I tend to use the most!

The rest stuff is under the read more because it came up to too much im sorry ;A:;

Ok fandom wise, as far as I know from that time to now carats are literally one of the nicest fandom’s I’ve ever been apart of like literally I love them so much. The fandom isn’t perfect, there’s some really not-so-nice fans like some who sexualise the members and like fanwars or yk have done some really shitty things (im not gonna go into detail but I know a few things) but the good fans really out weigh them! Don’t be intimidated to come of anon and talk to me or other members of the fandom trust me you won’t regret it at all!

So I mentioned Seventeen TV earlier and basically before seventeen debuted they had a program that aired on ustream that basically showed them practicing, playing games and other things as well. It was really entertaining and I really enjoyed it! Like seriously you should watch it it’s really funny I’m not even jokingg. 

Sadly, the ustream channel has a password now bUT you can watch some clips or full episodes here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here just to give you a few (I tried to give you as much as I could find really ;A:;;) but really youtube has a lot of videos on it. 

I forgot to mention but during the duration of seventeen tv there were other member but subsequently they left due to various reasons. These members include: Samuel (who was part of the duo 1punch which has now broken up, was on produce101 season 2 and has recently debuted with a bomb ass song), Doyoon (he is training to become an actor i think), Dongjin and MingMing.

They also had another predebut program called Andromeda. Subs can be found here

Right before seventeen debuted a program called Seventeen Project aired. Basically they go through a lot of trials and tests (? i think?) to get them ready for debut! You can watch it subbed here. You should definitely watch this one because you get to know the boys a little better.

For inside jokes this list on amino is literally a god sent but i was updated around january of this year. Speaking of amino, there’s a timeline on it, here. It’s outdated by a year but it’s really helpful as well. (Btw my favourite inside jokes are probably KIMBAP KIDDING and drink water lmao).

I also recommend watching all like17sub’s videos and what17says’s videos as well. As they’ve been subbers in the fandom for a fairly decent amount of time.Kwonvely is a more recent subber but I recommend you watch their subbed videos as well!

Svtunited subs  and SVTdiamond subs haven’t updated in a while but they still have a significant amount of videos, especially from the earlier days!

You can also watch subbed videos from here, here, here, here, here, hereOf course there’s more channels with subs but this is all I can think of.

A really nice way to know the members is through their Vlive channel where they do various live streams. Sadly, some vlives you have have to pay for called vlive+ because vlive likes to make us suffer BUT you can find some of the vlive+ videos in full here. The videos on Vlive are already subbed thank god.

The boys have had a reality show One Fine Day and a more recent one One Fine Day 2. They also have an ongoing series called Going Seventeen. On their Vlive+ there’s a series called ‘Where is my Friend’s home?’ where they basically visit the members’ hometowns (they mostly eat tho lmao). I believe minicarats only has the perf team’s one up right now but I believe the hip hop and vocal teams’ will come out soon. Someone uploaded theirs on youtube but obviously the channel got terminated.

They’ve released some DVDs as well which I totally recommend you watch. Seventeen Boy’s Wish CONCERT (1) (2) (3),  Shining Diamond Concert (1) (2) (3), Seventeen’s 2017 Season Greetings.

ALSO a great way of getting to know the members more is probably from mackenzie - ww’s why we love seventeen series, here, on youtube.I would also recommend her 10 reasons to love seventeen series here as well. Another good one is LoliKitty’s english time series as well, here. (IT kills me everytime lmao). Lolikitty has only 2 kpop meme origins but it explains 2 fandom jokes, jisoos christ and headlines headlines in a really funny way lmao.

You can also watch IGOTBTS MONTEEN’s Seventeen - Funny and Cute moments series.

Also in case you wanna know my favourite moments that I really love it’s: When sehun mistook jeonghan for nct’s johnny. You can watch it here and die lmao. Also when vernon slapped seungkwan’s ass it was the bES t.

So uh thats all I can remember off the top of my head really ;;; I’m sorry I know I definitely forgot some things I’m really sorry ;; I’m sorry if I wasn’t much help ;;

I don’t know much people who’ve known them since predebut but the blogs I know that I’ve seen during the debut era or at least around 2015 (and are still active) (i think i’ve seen them around since then I’m really not sure well except for the user junghan lol I definitely know they’ve been around since then) are probably: @junghan, @jungahns/@jeongahn (it’s the same person lol), @pledisseventeen, @hanwooz, @17dad, @jeonghan-1004svt

I really recommend you check them out! They’re really awesome blogs! I think you can ask them to verify anything I said or to give you more info