#i am not excluded from Everybody but like. im also ace.

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celtic grey sea salt :)

celtic grey sea salt - what's an unpopular headcanon you have about your f/o?

he is GAY he is TRANS he is AUTISTIC and he is ASEXUAL

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1/3 You're still wrong on this. 1. The problem with "lesbians shouldn't feel bad for not liking men, so stop pointing out transmisogyny" is the equation of trans women w/ men, not the assertion that lesbians don't have to be w/ men. It's important to make that distinction. Casting suspicion on lesbians' asserting their orientation in the name of trans women doesn't help trans women (it concedes that trans women=men) + demonizes (cis&trans) lesbians' boundaries/sexuality. 2. "Sexuality is fluid"

2/3 as a universal statement is biphobic AND homophobic, & in general can be used to push ppl's boundaries: it's all those things at once. Everybody, at times, criticizes something from one angle without systematically exploring all issues; OP has the right to talk about the homophobic implications. 3. A post about "lesbians" doesn't specifically exclude trans ppl. I don't see anything in that post that can't be true for trans/nb lesbians. (OP is an nb lesbian, not cis.) It's not wrong for a

3/3 lesbian to not want to date nbs who don't also have some affliation w/ womanhood or lesbianism, or to decline to date someone they learn isn't a woman. 4. You're wrong about the development of these discourses. You're considering this primarily from the view of intra-LGBTQ dynamics (and a certain angle of those dynamics) & therefore are missing a lot of the picture/history. TL;DR: "some lesbians use this as an excuse too..." isn't an excuse to invalidate lesbian sexuality.

with reference to this post and this post

i think you should learn reading and critical thinking, in that order. but lets take this apart

The problem with "lesbians shouldn't feel bad for not liking men, so stop pointing out transmisogyny" is the equation of trans women w/ men, not the assertion that lesbians don't have to be w/ men.

yeah this is true and ive never said it wasnt

Casting suspicion on lesbians' asserting their orientation in the name of trans women doesn't help trans women (it concedes that trans women=men) + demonizes (cis&trans) lesbians' boundaries/sexuality.

i am not “casting suspicion” on lesbian sexuality. i don’t want lesbians to date/fuck men if they don’t want to. i am looking at these assertions of lesbian sexuality in the context of this site and the lesbian spaces on it rife with terfs&terf rhetoric. i am suspicious because i know already that there’s a staggering amount of radfem talk that goes unchecked and i have every right to be suspicious, because that screenshot was taken from a terf’s blog. that’s not a neutral observation lmao

criticizes something from one angle without systematically exploring all issues;

i am going to be suspicious lmao when bi&ace people analyse the world from a specifically bi/ace perspective we’re lambasted for not accounting for lg people/monosexuals......but when LG people analyse from their perspective they have often used to to completely dismiss and denigrate our sexualities. things exist in context and you cannot remove LG people refusing to even acknowledge the existence of bi, ace, trans, and nb people from the context of our continued erasure and demonization in queer/lgbtq spaces, by those same LG people. 

A post about "lesbians" doesn't specifically exclude trans ppl. I don't see anything in that post that can't be true for trans/nb lesbians.

really?? because i can see SO many things that need to be acknowledged because the experiences of trans lesbians differ noticeably from the experiences of cis and nb lesbians. arguably op is trying to speak from their own perspective but the fact that they failed completely to mention trans lesbians at all while making a post containing word-for-word talking points that terfs use to exclude trans women is SO fucking suspicious and again, im sure op does include trans women, but at best it’s eyeroll worthy at best that they didn’t see fit to include trans women in the body of the post the first time they made it......a grossly transparent oversight.

It's not wrong for a lesbian to not want to date nbs who don't also have some affliation w/ womanhood or lesbianism, or to decline to date someone they learn isn't a woman

never argued this at all lol

You're wrong about the development of these discourses. You're considering this primarily from the view of intra-LGBTQ dynamics

posting a take on a website full of lgbtq people inherently means that it’s going to be read in that context. however, i do understand what ur saying: that this is something straight people also use. but op was so eager to post the take they failed to contextualise it like that, which means that terfs were able to reblog it with no dissonance. the fact that terfs were easily able to co-opt that post and everything it said to be anti-queer, anti-trans, and anti-bisexual is not a neutral fact at all

"some lesbians use this as an excuse too..." isn't an excuse to invalidate lesbian sexuality.

if you’re making a statement which has been used by violent groups to target vulnerable members of your community then you have a basic responsibility to acknowledge said vulnerable members, and explicitly exclude the violent groups. i should not have to say this because it’s very basic and you only need one brain cell to understand that. 

TL;DR: “lesbian sexuality does not include men” is a neutral position on its own but must be contextualised properly to not come across as bigoted because it has been co-opted by violent groups to enact violence. if you go an entire post about lesbian sexuality not being fluid without so much as noting in passing that trans and nb lesbians exist, that it is a biphobic talking point, and that there is more to statements like “sexuality is fluid” than the homophobic and biphobic aspect of it.............that’s not a good look and not fucking neutral