#i love smfs so fucking much

[vampylily]

Notes from the new Rolling Stones Japan article with Pete and Patrick Pt.1 :

[WARNING: The article is in Japanese, I'm not a Japanese speaker. I'm machine translating the article from Japanese to Korean & English, and then doing paraphrasing in English. Thus, the wording is not entirely accurate, and may contain errors. Please don't consider this as a proper translation. This is so I can have a reference more than anything. ]

When the interviewer noted Patrick's Los Crudos t-shirt, he responded enthusiastically that it was a Chicago band! Pete was in a Napalm Death t-shirt.

Interviewer asked about how Summer Sonic was, especially since it was their first since 2019. Patrick said the show went like they hoped, which rarely happens (lol). Said Japanese audiences are special. He gets asked about how concerts in Japan are, but it's hard to explain unless you experience it. Said can't explain it well, but there's a lot of give and take of energy.

Interviewer asked about Pete saying there was a song inspired by Japan on the SMFS album. Pete said "The Kintsugi Kid" was the song about how he felt when he was in Japan, it's obvious by the title. "The Kintsugi Kid'' bridges "I Am My Own Muse" and "So Much (For) Stardust." Said Patrick wrote the songs but in his interpretation, the sonic landscape of the song reminds him of Japan.

Patrick said he's always been quite influenced by Japan, especially on this album. Said people might not register it from the sound, but he's been influenced by the Yellow Magic Orchestra & their synthesizer sounds. He didn't use much synthesizer on the album but a lot of the songs started with synthesizers. He got the same synthesizer Yellow Magic Orchestra used and started writing songs from there. He's a big fan of Studio Ghibli movies and loves Joe Hisaishi's music. Said when doing string/orchestra horn arrangements, he wanted to create a sound that was as appealing to the heart/poignant as his. Even though their music/sound was completely different, he wanted to try it. Said he especially tried to evoke the feeling he got on "The Pink Seashell."

Interviewer asked about TTTYG's 20th anniversary and how they could have done an anniversary tour but they didn't and instead released SMFS with gusto.

Pete said the most important thing is that you stick to what you think is right. Said there was a punk band he liked when he was younger, and they didn't change at all. Talked about how artists like David Bowie or the Clash changed their styles to almost unrecognizable lengths and how some fans left because of it. But when he listens to the albums after getting older, he can reflect on his own changes and find new appreciation for songs he might not have liked at the time.

Pete said celebrating the past too much feels patronizing and not very fall out boy-like. They continue making new music, sometimes they succeed, sometimes they don't. Even if something doesn't work out as well, he's like [it is what it is/that happens], and that some people might say they liked it. He's got albums he likes and albums he dislikes from his own favourite artists. Said they always make new albums that challenge their past works. Of course they hope people like it, but getting good reviews/being appreciated isn't the only reason they continue making music.

Patrick said he doesn't like making an album to celebrate the 20th anniversary, or having an anniversary to showcase past songs. Reasons was that first, the past songs are always in rotation in their sets so they don't stop playing them. Second, like Pete said, they prefer to keep pursuing new music and that stance hasn't changed from 20 years ago. Said deviating from that feels dishonest like they're lying to themselves.

Pete was like [it's how Steven Spielberg didn't make E.T. Part 2.] Patrick was like [exactly!] and said that being honest with themselves was their pure form.

also there's a page 2 to the article but i'm tired :[. they talk about "emo" changing from a specific music genre to the word entering the mainstream vernacular, patrick talked about how when they started out they didin't consider themselves "emo," they were a hardcore band. said he liked playing hardcore though when he sang people used to tell him his voice was too cute. they focused on making the music they wanted to, and before they knew it, they were being called "emo." Pete talked about the word, how it encompasses too much, feeling restricted by that in the past, etc. Talked about wanting to become like Metallica in that the word Metallica has becomes its own thing, Metallica doesn't need a description, etc. Patrick talked about perfoming in Japan, from small venues way earlier to now, etc

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I love long FOB articles and I quite liked this one.

Love that Patrick talked about musical inspirations and SMFS. It’s so cool to hear because I love how beautiful and grand the sounds are in SMFS, even with spoken tracks like The Pink Seashell or Baby Annihilation. 

Also him buying the same synthesizers is so real. He’s a music nerd <3 

They’ve been consistently talking about always wanting to make new music and looking to the future instead of the past. And getting questions about their sound changing since forever haha.

It's really cool that they're very self aware and how convinced they are about making new music. Love that Pete can look back at older albums and find new appreciation for them. I’d be down for another half dozen FOB albums if they are, so (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧

The new Pete and Patrick photos!!! They've got such pretty eyes <333

[thekidsarentalright]

smfs being a single means them probably pushing it for radio play and there is nothing more i want in the world than for smfs to get on the radio and chart. smfs fobs first #1 song please please

[heartbreakfeelsogood]

we said we'd never grow up

[iiigris]

what do you guys think of this sketch illustration for the smfs album cover redesign I’m doing ?

gotta put words and stuff on it still but I’m gonna hand letter those I think so I’ll keep y’all posted lol

[daeluin]

not insane as in every song is about patrick truther but insane as in every song in mania is ultimately about patrick truther

[smfstump]

what the FUCK

fall out boy boston 🎱8/2/23

@napkinthief

[xo8ball]

fall out boy is seriously unserious the best band forever and its really good evernyan go listen to smfs and pop a can of sody for this win !!!¡!!!!!!!!

[idiotsofoz]

smfs title track ripped my fucking heart out and threw it at the wall and stomped on it and cut it into 5 million pieces and then tried to glue it back together and put it back

[martinimom]

“singing songs that could only catch the ear of the desperate” this album is so full of pure, aching scream in your car until your throat hurts levels of desperation and i am so sick with it

[polaraffect]

top 10 fall out boy songs

ouch anon... cutting straight to the hard ones.... though tbh this one is not that hard for me because I actually ranked all fall out boy songs a little bit after smfs came out. Though tbh that is already outdated lmao (doing it is what got me to really start listening to Pax AM Days, so basically all of those songs are higher than what I ranked them as), so idk, maybe I'll redo the ranking at some point.

Right now though, here is my top 10:

Hum Hallelujah

So Much (For) Stardust

Thriller

27

Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes

Flu Game

Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet

Sugar We're Goin Down

I Am My Own Muse

Don't You Know Who I Think I Am?

send me a top 5/10 to rank!

[kanmom51]

Dear. Army

I went to bed last night thinking that we won't be getting anything substantial on 7/6 even though we had a calendar showing us this:

Only to wake up this morning to discover this was uploaded to Weverse at 10pm KST on 7.6.23 (and an hour later to YT).

Where do I start?

By saying how amazing JM is, how much I love him and his voice and this song.

This man is an angel pure and simple.

What did I notice?

First of all the big ass miss out by releasing it at 10 pm KST and not 10:13 pm. All it took was a little more thought put into it. Just a little more.

Well, the next most obvious is of course the absence of a certain Jeon Jungkook in person, performing this song together with JM.

And why do I say in person?

Because even though every other single background sound and vocal was wiped from this performance, JK's background vocals, although subdued, were still there.

Do I admit that I am disappointed?

Fuck yeah.

I'm not only disappointed, I'm actually furious. Not at JM. Not at JK. But at the friggin company that isn't allowing those two to be in one frame, and has been doing this for months now.

And if you pipe up and say: "well that's not true, we've seen them in content together", stop for one second and think about what you are saying, what content that was. Ot7 content (no choice they are all there - and when they were, thinking of the last BTB JM was as loud as fuck, can't help but wonder why - or not) and JM's dance practice BTB, in which we got to see less than a minute of JK at JM's SMF pt. 2 practice. And about that one: first of all, we probably wouldn't have gotten to see that one if not for JM and JK's interaction in JM's live mentioning JK came to see him practicing, and second of all, go have a lookie what was shown to us in that BTB (we don't even get to see JK arriving to the practice - perhaps not to show us not JM's reaction to him arriving nor just how long he stayed there) and compare it to the Like crazy MV BTB and Jhope visiting JM.

And I'm sure I said this before, how stupid this all is, when it's as clear as day (well, thank god for JK and his rebellious streak) that these two are as close as can be. Couple or not. So wtf is the company so scared of? At this point, with everything that JK has been doing in the past few months (and it's not only JK, JM is part of it too of course, but admittedly JK is just not giving a fuck anymore, while JM is doing what he can within his own respectful and very intelligent way) it's bloody ridiculous not having them in content together.

You may think I'm over reacting here, but this is a long time coming, this angry rant of mine. And this here, as expected as it was, it pushed me over the line.

Like I said, It's not like I didn't see this coming. I knew in my heart that they will do this. Try to nullify Letter's importance to JM and JK. Whitewash it as a song for army. But somewhere, somehow, I still had some hope. Well, that one was a bust. And I guess knowing it's coming doesn't change that ache in the gut once it actually does come.

I ask myself, would it have been too obvious in their books? JM and JK singing this together? But why? If it's an innocent letter to army? A token of JM's love for army?

I guess we all know the answer to that.

So, then I am sitting here and thinking about what I said about JM.

How intelligent he is. How he does things within the 'allowed' limitations but still gets the message through.

He did it with the song's name for starters. It's not "Dear Army", which would make it addressed to army, it's "Dear. Army". By adding the period between the Dear and the Army, you literally have him addressing 2: Dear (which we know exactly who that is) and Army.

We have said this over and over again. This song is a song for JK disguised as a song for army. Dear does come first out of the two after all, lol. No, but this is just how things have to be, as long as they remain closeted, and that is totally understandable. This is how JM is telling us all what his feelings are for JK. He's telling JK and us. I know that there are those who believe that the song is talking to us in some parts and to JK in others. I'm not one of them. I believe this whole song (and the original lyrics say it all in my opinion) is addressed to JK. He is Dear. He is the one the Letter was written to. But in saying that, it was given as a gift to us. JM is allowing us to see what they mean to each other. And a gift that certainly is.

I also think about the fact that JM in this performance stripped the song down. No wave sounds. No harmonica. None of his own background vocals. The guitar, it's not him playing (unlike in the actual recorded song). All making it a little less personal perhaps (while singing it to army for Festa). But then, he made sure to leave one thing, and that's JK's background vocals, as soft as they may be, they are still there.

2 things I get from that (and yes, this is art and it's open to interpretation):

First of all, he's stripped the song of it's intimate setting (settings that were him and JK and what was between them).

Second of all, he left JK's vocals in but softer. JK isn't there with him, but JM is still telling us that JK is an inseparable part of this song. That the song can still exist without the waves and the harmonica and his own background vocals, but not without JK. JM even goes quiet at one point during that verse so we can hear JK's vocals clearer.

Maybe that's me being over melodramatic here, but that's what I feel at the moment.

Did you notice how JM doesn't look once at the camera, at us, while singing the song? Not once. The first and only time he looks at the camera, at us, and smiles, is when the song ends.

You know why?

Cause the man, he ain't singing that song to us. He's singing it for us to hear, but we aren't the recipients.

Oh, and did you see the smile on his face once he starts the verse with "baby", yes, that same verse where JK joins in?

I'm sorry, but you can even hear the smile in his voice as he's singing "baby"...

I apologize that this post isn't all filled with joy and gratitude that we got to see JM performing Letter (Dear. Army). But I have always been honest with you guys, and that is not going to change.

Don't get me wrong. I'm over the moon that we got to hear JM sing this live.

But I'm also sad.

I'm sad because I know how important this song is to both JM and JK. I know that JK would have joined JM in a heartbeat if only given a chance to, or more so, if allowed to. There is no way under the sun that JK was given the chance and declined. NO WAY. So there you have it.

[fakeoutbf]

so much for 2ourdust

u.s. leg

magic 8 ball and piano medley songs sorted by date

color coded by album ● repeated songs in bold

tttyg ● futct ● ioh ● fad ● srar ● abap ● mania ● smfs

Feb 28 - Moda Center, Portland, OR, USA

Piano medley

- Young and Menace (First time live since 2018)

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- G.I.N.A.S.F.S. (Alias: HM)

Mar 1 - Climate Pledge Arena, Seattle, WA, USA

Piano medley

- Allie (Patrick Stump song, first time live since 2011)

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- Sophomore Slump or Comeback of the Year (Alias: FLANNEL)

Mar 3 - Golden 1 Center, Sacramento, CA, USA

Piano medley

- Golden

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- 27 (Alias: RAINBOW PETS)

Mar 4 - Honda Center, Anaheim, CA, USA

Piano medley

- I've Got All This Ringing In My Ears and None On My Fingers

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball songs

- 7 minutes in Heaven (Atavan Halen)

- Good Girls Go Bad (Cobra Starship cover) (with Cobra Starship)

Mar 7 - Dickies Arena, Fort Worth, TX, USA

Piano medley

- What a Catch, Donnie

- Golden

Magic 8 Ball song

- The Kids Aren’t Alright (Alias: BARBIE)

Mar 8 - Moody Center, Austin, TX, USA

Piano/acoustic medley

- It's Not a Side Effect of the Cocaine, I Think It Must Be Love (Live Debut)

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- Don't You Know Who I Think I Am? (Alias: YIPPIE KAY YAY)

Mar 11 - Paycom Center, Oklahoma City, OK, USA

Piano medley

- Tempted (Squeeze cover)

- I'm Like a Lawyer With the Way I'm Always Trying to Get You Off (Me & You)

- Golden

Magic 8 Ball song

- Tiffany Blews (First time live since 2009) (Alias: ARLO GUTHRIE)

Mar 13 - Legacy Arena at the BJCC, Birmingham, AL, USA

Piano medley

- Just One Yesterday

- Golden

Magic 8 Ball song

- Young Volcanoes (Alias: OLD ICEBERGS)

Mar 15 - Kia Center, Orlando, FL, USA

Piano medley

- Golden

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- FUCKING ALPHA DOG FUCK ME (Full live debut) (Alias: SHAQ)

Mar 16 - Vystar Veterans Memorial Arena, Jacksonville, FL, USA

Piano medley

- Bad Side Of 25 (Patrick Stump song, first time live since 2011)

- 20 Dollar Nose Bleed (First time live since 2013)

Magic 8 Ball song

- I'm Like a Lawyer With the Way I'm Always Trying to Get You Off (Me & You) (First full live performance since 2014) (Alias: DING DONG)

Mar 19 - PNC Arena, Raleigh, NC, USA

Piano medley

- What a Time to Be Alive

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- Just One Yesterday (First full live performance since 2014) (Alias: QUESADILLA)

Mar 20 - CFG Bank Arena, Baltimore, MD, USA

Piano medley

- I Can't Wait (Hepcat cover)

- 20 Dollar Nose Bleed

- Golden

Magic 8 Ball song

- Miss Missing You (Alias: CRABBY CAKES)

Mar 22 - Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA

Piano medley

- Spidey and His Amazing Friends (Patrick Stump song, live debut)

- What a Catch, Donnie

- Just One Yesterday (Full song, with Daisy Grenade)

Magic 8 Ball songs

- Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying (Do Your Part to Save the Scene and Stop Going to Shows) (Full live debut) (Alias: BAKED ZITI)

- Slow Down (The Academy Is… cover) (with William Beckett) (Alias: GABAGOOL)

Mar 24 - MVP Arena, Albany, NY, USA

Piano medley

- The Kintsugi Kid (Ten Years)

- What a Time to Be Alive

Magic 8 Ball song

- I Am My Own Muse (Alias: FLOPPY BUNNIES)

Mar 26 - Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, MI, USA

Piano medley

- Run Dry (X Heart X Fingers) (Patrick Stump song, first time live since 2011)

- I’ve Got All This Ringing In My Ears and None On My Fingers

Magic 8 Ball song

- FUCKING Wilson (Expensive Mistakes) (First time live since 2018) (Alias: MOMS SPAGHETTI)

Mar 27 - PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, USA

Piano medley

- Heart Transplant (Punchline cover)

- What a Catch, Donnie

- Golden

Magic 8 Ball song

- The Music or the Misery (First time live since 2006) (Alias: DUQUESNE INCLINE)

Mar 29 - Value City Arena, Columbus, OH, USA

Piano medley

- What a Time to Be Alive

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- Fourth of July (First time live since 2017) (Alias: FIONA THE HIPPO)

Mar 30 - Rupp Arena at Central Bank Center, Lexington, KY, USA

Piano medley

- I’ve Got All This Ringing In My Ears and None On My Fingers

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- The Kintsugi Kid (Ten Years) (Alias: HARD HATS)

Mar 31 - Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, TN, USA

Piano medley

- You Never Even Called Me by My Name (David Allan Coe cover)

- Spotlight (Oh Nostalgia) (Patrick Stump song)

- Golden

Magic 8 Ball song

- Jet Pack Blues (First full live performance since 2018) (Alias: BOOT GOOFIN)

Apr 2 - Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee, WI, USA

Piano/acoustic medley

- Celestial Lights (Uncle Barnaby cover)

- What A Fool Believes (The Doobie Brothers cover)

- Spotlight (Oh Nostalgia) (Patrick Stump song)

- What a Catch, Donnie

- Golden

Magic 8 Ball songs

- Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying (Do Your Part to Save the Scene and Stop Going to Shows) (Alias: HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE)

- Pavlove (Alias: LAVERN & SHIRLEY)

Apr 3 - Wells Fargo Arena, Des Moines, IA, USA

Piano/acoustic medley

- Nobody Puts Baby in the Corner

- I've Got All This Ringing In My Ears and None On My Fingers

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball song

- What a Time to Be Alive (Alias: GROOVE METAL)

Apr 5 - CHI Health Center Omaha, Omaha, NE, USA

Piano medley

- Bishops Knife Trick (Live Debut) (Patrick when i get your fucking ass)

- What a Catch, Donnie

- Golden

Magic 8 Ball song

- “From Now On, We Are Enemies” (Alias: STEAK NIGHT)

Apr 6 - Target Center, Minneapolis, MN, USA

Piano medley

- Bleed (Animal Chin cover)

- 7-9 Legendary (Live Debut)

- Purple Rain (Prince cover)

- What a Catch, Donnie

Magic 8 Ball songs

- Honorable Mention (First time live since 2007) (Alias: HARAMBE)

- Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying (Do Your Part to Save the Scene and Stop Going to Shows) (Alias: GRANDMA)

- The Carpal Tunnel of Love (First time live since 2008) (Alias: CATDOG)

- Rat a Tat (with CARR) (Live Debut) (Alias: RUMPLESTITSKIN)

- The Kids Aren’t Alright (Alias: KROGER, CHAD KROGER)

- Wilson (Expensive Mistakes) (Alias: WOOT WOOT)

[beautifulpersonpeach]

I hope that by now, after Hobi’s collaboration with J. Cole, Joon’s El Pais interview, and now Jimin’s Set Me Free Pt. 2, it’s obvious a lot of the criticism around BTS, much of what counts for ‘discourse’, is completely pointless.

Something I noticed after BTS released Fake Love in 2018, is that ‘Discourse’ around the mediums they choose to make music, the kind of music they put out, and how they communicate their ideas, all frankly just boils down to people dissatisfied that BTS didn’t express an idea the exact way those people would prefer, at exactly the time they’d prefer it. That’s it. It’s not a criticism that tackles the substance of their ideas or elevates the conversation around BTS, but one about personal preferences that people with inflated egos courtesy of the internet, mistake to be synonymous with meaningful appraisals of their skill, competency, and their characters.

BTS has always made music in a variety of styles and they’ve shown they’re more than capable of making some of the best hard-hitting and unconventional music there is, not just in Korea, but globally. But then they release a handful of pop tunes that while not my favourite, generated a whole multitude of k-pop stans circle-jerking to ‘discourse’ about how ‘BTS has lost their roots’ when all those people are actually saying is that “BTS didn’t make the exact sort of music I prefer or say something exactly the way I prefer, this time around, on my schedule.”

Take for example discourse around Joon’s latest interview:

Joon has shown similar candour as in the El Pais interview, in their 2022 Weverse interview, in their 2021 Billboard interview, and in honestly more Vlives and interviews than I can count. The primary difference between the El Pais interview and the others is in the sort of questions asked by interviewer/publication. That is what was refreshing because Western media outlets often do not take their music seriously enough to not venture beyond the obligatory ‘dark side of k-pop’ asks before grilling BTS on their potential romantic partners. The interviewer in El Pais was notably more informed about BTS and Namjoon in particular, and that carried through in the interview. Joon is older, more mature, and more comfortable (especially now that they’ve announced their intentions to enlist), but if you were paying attention, you’d realize he’s said a lot of what he said in that interview, long before. He’s not significantly more eloquent and more candid than he was a year ago, he simply responded to the interviewer based on the questions posed and the tone used.

Another example is in Jimin’s latest release, SMF Pt 2, which brought to mind criticism of Jimin I’ve seen from solos, multis, antis and general k-pop stans every fortnight or so, for the last eight years. We can all see references in the lyrics, in the choreography, in the stylistic musical choices, in the medium: rap vs vocals, to many BTS songs and even Jimin’s solo work put out long before. In SMF Pt 2:

For lyrics and message, Jimin references narratives expressed in Lie, Promise, ON, among others;

For sonic expression, Jimin references Friends and ON, seen in his preference for choral effects; Tony Montana and Black Swan for autotune as a tool and rap music as a medium;

For dance/choreography, Jimin references Butterfly, Lie, and ON.

Set Me Free Pt 2 is a combination of various expressions we’ve already seen Jimin do, sharpened to the extreme to drive home the point that this is his time and everyone should get the fuck out of his way.

It’s effective.

Like JITB and Indigo before now, I’m already seeing people lament that Jimin is talking about how their fame affects him, the reference to his haters, or that he is too proud and egotistical. And some Anons are already starting to fret about it in my inbox. I don’t know what to tell y’all besides that I don’t care. I’m not sure how many times I can show that none of those people know what they’re talking about. I’m not confident enough to express how little I think about some random’s opinion about music and how I listen to it, without rudely telling them off in two syllables.

All I’ve got to say about the discourse around this song is ‘fuck off.’

I’m enjoying myself too much. I’m loving Jimin’s vocals and self expression too much. I’m too happy to give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks on the matter.

Aside, Jimin has inspired some of the best fanart I’ve seen in ages:

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[music-orthemisery]

I’m back with actual thoughts. They’re not coherent, more rambling, but they are thoughts, so here you go!

I’ve been in the fob fandom for a while. I got into them during the hiatus, was on the very outside of fandom during srr, and joined during abap. I kinda floated in and out. This is all to say I’ve seen p2’s post hiatus interactions in various forms for years. I’ve seen people’s different theories, from they are romantically involved, to best buds, to that they are just coworkers.

maybe it’s just recency bias, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen them so close or so fond of each other. They just seem to be so… loving towards each other??? Like it’s the french cabbage comment night every night. “I’ve been reduced to the words you’ve chosen for me” who says that??? “You look especially good tonight” “play us a song, love”. and patrick doesn’t roll his eyes, or make a face. what the fuck??? Like, whatever you want to theorize their relationship is, there’s so much love there.

HIIIII ANON!

i know not what you speak of - this is perfectly coherent to me!

first off, i don't think it's recency bias at all as i've been defining SMFS as the era where they stopped giving a fuck. i'd argue that not only p2, but also fob as a whole, are the most comfortable and having the most fun than any other time in their career. their collective presence now is SO at ease and joyful - it's truly been beautiful to witness.

more specifically to p2, i think covid really challenged them and had them come to terms with what really matters in life. there has been tangible love between them since the very beginning, but i think they are less concerned about public opinion now and more willing to show that love more explicitly.

the media circus of the 00s' - which was even more cruel and invasive than it is now (IMO) - nearly ripped fob, and p2, apart. looking at sources from back then can give you a picture of that. let me tell you, though - living through it? it was...rough to witness. i'd be shocked if any fan who was paying attention then was SURPRISED by the hiatus.

sad, yes. but surprised? no.

post-h fob was A LOT more careful with their boundaries - they were still themselves, but they were definitely more reserved, especially in how they interacted with each other. p2 were especially more careful and there was definitely a particular...narrative being pushed. they loosened up over time, but. there was a VIBE...

i think the pandemic really did punt them into - fuck it, why don't we just be/do what we want? why are we keeping ourselves in this box? as pete has said many times recently - life is short, so do everything.

(i'd also....be very curious about their label change. you don't just switch labels for funsies. just sayin.)

at the same time, i don't think that trauma from the 00s will ever leave them, so, at the end of the day, they WILL opt to be more private than not, and i don't think we ever will know the true depth of their relationship.

i will end by saying that i REALLY struggle with the "just coworkers/patrick just puts up with pete/patrick is annoyed by pete/patrick,joe,andy put up with pete for the paycheck/etc." narratives that i see float around. i could go on a whole rant on that alone, but i'll keep it focused to this -

if p2 don't actually have the deep relationship they say they do, why do they keep saying it? why is the term "soulmate" being used in 2024? why are they still pushing the narrative about this if it isn't true? they could've left that in the dust YEARS ago. their fame does NOT count on that. fans are often blinded by the fact that this is a HUGE band and the majority of people who make them successful know NOTHING about their band dynamics. they don't need to engage in this "fan service" to be successful at this point, and it's certainly nothing p2 would agree to now after what they went through pre-h.

anon, this is probably more than what you were looking for, but all i'm saying is that your thoughts here are TOTALLY valid and please send more <3

[earlgreytea68]

the taylor song is out! definitely doesn't sound like pete had a hand in the lyrics but patrick's voice is gorg as per usual

Yeah, Pete definitely was not involved in the lyrics which is a little sad because Taylor loves Pete Wentz lyrics, I would have loved some collaboration there. But it was a prewritten track so it makes sense there wasn't any.

I spent the whole time listening to it thinking, "Taylor swift always writes so much about relationships in such a straightforward way and Pete Wentz never does" hahahah. I know she's grown as a songwriter and it's an old song and I say this as someone who likes Taylor swift! But it's always so striking to me how much other people's songs are like "I love you so much, can't wait to spend time with you!!!!" And a Pete Wentz song would be like "look it's cool when we hang out but also can I discuss this creeping existential dread and also I think I'm having a crisis of sexuality and has anybody else noticed that the world is fucked and I'm probably too much for you" lolololol

ANYWAY back to this song! I was pleasantly surprised they gave Patrick so much to do, I wasn't anticipating that! But I don't really like how he sounds? Is this just me? I know it's him because I know him but it sounds less like him than usual. I was thinking of the way he swoops into a song like "I've been waiting." Here his vocals sound less like HIM than in that song. I think maybe there was some kind of electronic finishing to make them sound more like Taylor's? Am I making all of this up? Hahaha maybe I am just in a bad mood this morning or something, which is quite possible, but even at the end when they're singing together he sounds to me like he could be that computer manipulation of Taylor's voice that Jack antonoff kept doing in the Midnights album.

I actually like the song! I think it's a typically catchy and fun Taylor swift song. I think it's a not great showcase for fall out boy and they were unnecessary to the track but honestly that's usually how I feel about Taylor's duets.

ALSO, THOUGH. I think I've been ruined by all of the live Patrick videos I've been watching. Patrick always sounds better live to me than he does on almost any of their records? Is that weird? I feel like that's probably unusual? But whenever I hear him live he blows me away but on their records I feel like he favors productions that bury his vocals somewhat or dials them back a bit or something. Which is to say I've gotten used to Patrick stumps live singing (and SMFS which has been repeat again since my concert) and it's just always a shock to hear him go back to smaller stuff. I just think about how mesmerizing I find his every breath you take this performance, this one just feels a little rote to me.

But of course it just occurs to me: he's not singing Pete's words on this track. Nor is he singing a love song because Pete asked him to. He's just doing his job. So of course it makes sense he sounds that way.

Anyway I just hope other people like it instead of their usual "I see the name fall out boy so it must suck" reaction.

[joyswonderland1108]

This fucking fandom

Ah fuck i can’t even fucking get sick in peace!! Just when i allow myself to rest a bit from posting shit happens and i find myself coming back here to rant or whatever i should call it at this point.

So the other day i was writing a post as a follow-up to this post : 

But i just deleted it, i was like uh yeah maybe i’m being a bit too harsh.. WRONG!! I knew this fucking fandom didn’t deserve no pity, my bad i should’ve just posted it. 

So in my follow-up deleted post i was saying how i didn’t want anyone to come to me with that bullshit excuse of “But we’re streaming, we’re basically working hard for those achievements to happen so why won’t Letter be about Army since we work hard for him” and honestly this is where the entitlement comes from. Some people believe that just because they stream, buy and post that means they have all the rights of ownership over the members, yes OWNERSHIP.

I then carried on by explaining how not everyone who fought to get Jimin on top wasn’t necessarily because they love him but for some they just wanted one member of BTS to be on top out of pettiness towards other fandoms and they needed to flex, didn’t matter which member as long as it’s a BTS member who will keep BTS’s name superior, and it so happened to be Jimin this time. 

Now you may wonder why tf am i bringing up a post i actually ending up deleting or actually didn’t even post? Well with Yoongi’s upcoming release.. I don’t even need to say it now do i? I guess you’re pretty much getting what i’m trying to say but let me just put words out here. 

I’m not here to talk about how close Yoongi’s release is to Jimin’s, this is something they probably went over with each other and with the company it has nothing to do with me or us or anyone else can’t really say much about it but what i can talk about is Army’s hypocrisy. When i posted about Yoongi’s D-Day announcement i clearly mentioned that I personally along with some other Army i know would either try to find or make a Yoonmin focused playlist, since Jimin promo period was cut short, we still wanted to keep pushing it while still streaming for Yoongi. 

Now what is happening is mfrs who are dropping Jimin completely to focus solely on Yoongi. When Smf pt2 dropped and the whole FACE album released, playlists were still encouraging streams for Smoke Sprite and On the street, we were still trying to keep the boys at higher ranks doing the effort to do a proper streaming for Jimin all while not dropping any other member. 

Now those people do realize that Yoongi will have his album trending from now till June, while Jimin won’t necessarily be able to still keep up with a proper promotion schedule because that would be interfering with Yoongi’s release, and fucktards couldn’t even bother keeping up with streaming or at least think about a Yoonmin playlist too. It infuriates me how for me despite being Jikook biased i’m still willing to do as much effort for Yoongi as i did with Jimin because i’m OT7 after all but assholes out there pretending to be OT7 yet became completely blinded. 

And for some fucking reason Jimin or Jikook biased Army (not solos) are all so excited for D-Day and preparing to stream for both, so tell me why tf can’t other Army do the same thing? Was messing with that one other fandom all it was for them? “Let’s get Jimin that #1 to piss them off” is that it? He worked his ass off to share something very personal with us, shared his struggles, a deep and dark part of himself just for Army to treat it as a threat to other idols and fandoms? 

I swear this motherfucking fandom is toxic and unhealthy, as Joon said “You changed” Aka you fucking suck! I don’t even know how to put anymore words i’m just trying to recover but God fucking dammit!