#i really wish i was excited about totk but if im honest i

[punkinspice]

ok maybe I'm crazy but am I the only one that feels like botw and totk, are making the things that made LoZ as a series special just... aren't special anymore?

[robotapologist]

I dont think i like totks plot.

Zeldas sacrifice is touching and a good place to go with her character. I just wish the rest of the games plot was as good as that

Botw was about failure and sacrifice and love and finding small joys in the wasteland and protecting quiet mundane life

And totk just doesnt really live up to its themes. Themes being: community. A good theme i really want to enjoy and in same ways there are parts where its done well- but the flashbacks with Rawrrawr, Sonia, and Ganandorf are very disappointing

I dont know what any of them really believe in. I dont know what makes Rawr guy a good king. I dont know how he interfaces with his kingdom. I dont know how sonia interfaces with her kingdom.

Like the theme of sacrifce being imparted onto zelda was good but???? Community should have also been imparted onto Zelda too. Or maybe in reverse, community imparted from Zelda to Rwarwu. She is a good ruler, she is willing to get into the dirt and rebuild hyrule with her own two hands. She has a relationship with the common people of hyrule. She wants alliances with people. In contrast Rawr just kind of seems like an asshole. Gannondorf may be evil but i cant help but feel having a guy kneel to you and swear loyalty is bad for relations.

He is a bad guy, i do doubt there was anything Rrrrrrr could have done to pacify him peacefully, but thats where ganons role as a villain / dark reflection / foil comes in. Show him being a bad leader. Show him rejecting and devaluing his community. Show him refusing to make sacrifices on behalf of his people, show him demanding them to make sacrifices in HIS stead. He had an army of gerudo standing behind him in one flashback and it was like the writers just forgot about them. The next army he gets are the monsters, gerudo are no where in sight. What happened there? Where did they go? Did they reject him? Why? When? Or did he reject them? How did they feel about this?

When i look at the plot i see a bunch of really cool building blocks that could have been used to tell a compelling narrative about kindness, community, team work, vs the inherent self destruction of cruelty and arrogance. Instead, the memories just sort of seem like building up to zeldas sacrifice. They could have done all those things together if they wanted. They had the time and money.

I got excited for ganon thinking i would get literally any context for his motivations. Windwaker ganon was based and basically in the right. I dont know why that was a one off. I think they need to retire him as a villain if im being honest. But if theyre going to keep him around the least they could do is let him be a character with thoughts and beliefs and values. The scene in windwaker where ganon spares links life because hes only insterested in the triforce, gives him a lot of layers in very little dialogue. You know. Efficient storytelling.

Gannon is my favorite villain. Or i thought so. I had played zelda titles before windwaker, but windwaker had really stuck with me. I think i just liked windwaker ganon. He was a bad guy, absolutely justified in rage against the gods. He cared for gerudo people and their suffering. He was willing to spare links life because doing so was senseless and pointless [until everything became pointless to him]. He had his own character arc. I actually hated that bastard Daphnes got in his way. Like the gods he destroyed the rest of the kingdom rather than allow it to fall into the hands of someone else. Making me feral. Let ganon have depth.