#i'm going back to the proship discord server

[twitchyglitchy]

I love getting back into one of my cringe phases while playing VRChat and stumbling upon people in my age range (adults) who are fucked in the head nasty. /sar

[am-i-the-asshole-official]

I (26, NB) dropped a long-term friend (23, not disclosing gender, I'll call them X) for being a proshipper, and now they're trying to get in the way of my other friendships.

A little more than a month ago, an old friend from when I was an itty bitty teen on the internet (we met when they were 12 and I was 15 or so) messaged me on twitter asking if we could share discord since they're more active on that platform, and they missed hanging out. Ok, no prob!! I missed talking to X and life was going kinda icky for me at the time. We exchanged discords and started talking more frequently, before we would talk through twitter dms maybe one day every few months, and we went from almost no contact to talking every single day. It was like being a teenager again; we still shared similar interests and we really fast clicked over old and new fandoms we were in. We talked about college and how they're starting to get the hang of their new job but needed support, talked about our family lives, etc., and in general I felt really comfortable and happy to be chatting again with someone I've known for so long. We were inseparable for weeks.

However... of course, as adults, and having known each other for YEARS, we started talking about fandom ships and fics we enjoyed. We didn't have the same taste in pairings, but that was okay. Until it wasn't anymore.

I shared my NSFW twitter with them, and they followed me. A few minutes later X told me, "I see you have "proship DNI in your bio, I just want to let you know that I am a pro-ship and enjoy some things in fandom that you might think is gross. I hope that's okay."

I was kind of weirded out, and told them that as long as they didn't like anything that would be criminal in real life, that's fine. They told me they *did* enjoy things in fiction that they "wouldn't condone in reality" and even though they "don't talk about it publicly" they still wanted me to know. For some reason. ?? Even though they KNOW that I have an irl history of abuse as a kid, they still told me this.

I was so fucking uncomfortable and really, really sad, and honestly I felt betrayed? I stepped away from my account for like, an hour before messaging them back and saying I didn't want to continue talking to them anymore. That I didn't know they were that kind of person and I'm not comfortable being their friend. I didn't read their response to me because I soft-blocked them.

While I was getting over that and trying to move on, a few days later I was talking to another mutual friend of ours when they asked if I was still friends with X. I got chills remembering how I broke off with them, and said no, we weren't talking anymore. That they were the kind of person that made me really uneasy and uncomfortable to be around. The mutual friend, I'll call R, said that X was "feeling kind of down about losing a friend recently" and talked about it in a discord server they share. X didn't mention my name but R wondered if it was me who dropped them since I was really touchy about boundaries online. I freaked out a little thinking about them talking about me, and asked what else they said, and R told me "not much, just that they felt sad but it was your choice in the end because you two were different" and I don't know why but it left a bad taste in my mouth. Were they trying to make people seem like I was the bad guy or something?? Idk.

I told R the reason why I stopped talking to X, and that X is a proshipper who likes things like inc*st and rape, and R wasn't as supportive as I thought he would be, saying that he understood how I felt but if X was being honest and open about their interests, it probably meant they trusted me and didn't want to "lie" to me. I don't understand how that's even relevant if X is a fucking proshipper. I don't want their trust in the first place if that's who they really are, and I felt betrayed that someone I knew for so long was hiding that for me until we were bonding again. R basically dropped it there and said "idk then" and I told him I was going to shut off my notifs for a bit. I really don't want to talk with him again right now especially since he didn't seem THAT bothered by X being a proshipper who's into really criminal shit.

Since then, friends of mine who are also friends with R (because he's a friend of X still, for some reason), haven't been replying to me as much anymore and I'm super sensitive to noticing these things, at first I told myself it was nothing, but there's an obvious decrease in our interactions. I can't help but think that X actually said bad stuff about me, and R didn't want me to know, or maybe X convinced R that I was a terrible person or something. I still haven't read X's reply to me because I genuinely do not want to interact with them ever again, but for the past few days I've been so angry and hurt by my other friend's actions that I can't help but want to blame them, since this all started when I left them.

AITA for dropping a friend because their interests made me SEVERELY uncomfortable? I don't know what to do.

What are these acronyms?

[xxlemon-chanxx]

Magpie and Horse drama update.

Featuring @toh-proship-positivity

(I would reblog them, but they have me blocked lmao)

So, Horse—or, sorry, "Griff"— has gone nuclear and freaked out once they realized we weren't backing down. They deleted most of their ALTs (see previous post or check the drama overview pinned to my blog for reference to the Tumblr ALTs I've mentioned here.)

Funnily enough, they're trying to run from their actions, saying that you "don't treat a real human this way" when they've been pulling bullshit for over a year. Telling the same list of lies with no evidence to whoever is suckered into giving them the time of day.

Saying “don’t treat a real human this way'' when you've actively gone out of your way to try and sabotage someone's livelihood for over a year. Is it not rather ''sick'' to accuse someone of associating with groomers and then drop no evidence for such a serious claim? How about accusing someone of tracing and trying to encourage their customers to ask for refunds from their shop just to make sure said person loses money? That sounds pretty sick to me.

You act like this document was made simply to ''bully'' Horse, when in reality, it's a bunch of people who came together to stand up for someone who was getting their reputation unfairly ruined behind their back.

You act like this is about proshipping when that is far from the truth. Everything that was presented in that doc was only to do with Horse.

If trying to defend someone against a slew of awful accusations makes me ''sick'', then put me in the hospital.

But, there is one thing I'm going to mention. if you look below, you're going to see someone who responded to Horse's callout post. This is a trend I’ve seen with the people siding with Horse— none of them actually bother to read the document? Whether it be in DMs, in their discord server, or just in the comments of their posts, none of the people siding with Horse ever actually open the document and read it. It tells me that they're scared that the document actually has some merit and they don't want to risk realizing that Horse isn't as good as they thought they were.

I'm definitely going to be making a YouTube video going over the slides and the Tumblr/Discord aftermath, because I want this to be accessible to AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. Horse may have changed their username, but I don't want them to ever be able to spread these lies again.

[moboxcritique]

Blurry sent me an ask today

I won't include the ss because he seems angry in this one (idk if Kev will post it though cause I've spent a long time typing out this ask and I do NOT want to go out and check and rewrite this entire thing AGAIN😭) But he's holding a grudge against me for accidentally outing him as trans to his dad, which happened back in July 23rd and it happened in twitter replies.

1), I didn't mean to blurry, I assumed your dad was purposely misgendering you, especially when he was being transphobic to me calling me "a little whatever you are", plus, my other assumptions was that your dad had twitter, and I thought he knew your socials and you were openly trans online. However, I shouldn't have assumed and kept quiet about it, Kev told me about it back in July and I felt guilty finding out about it. Here are old messages from July when I was talking to Kev about my mistake:

No, starry (they're a follower of mine), wasn't apart of it, it was only me who accidentally outed you as trans to your dad, not Kev, not Kev's friends, only me. If there was anyone else, they had nothing to do with us.

2) your dad was threatening me and another minor, alongside with threatening to 'find where Kev lives' alongside with violence, your dad has said to another minor "you're 17? I'll wait" with more of the violence he said to us with "they'll put me away once they'll see what I'm about to do to you", and all because he wanted to protect you

My evidence? The twitter replies are deleted, but I'll show them anyways as you can see the dates on the replies and the context in my replies (you can see when I outed blurry as trans in one of them, a couple times infact)

- I know I posted the proper evidence on my twitter back in July, however when I search through my tweets, twitter is being a pain in the ass. BUT once I find the proper evidence, I'll send them in! I'm not sure if I posted them on this blog before, I think I did? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

- I got a new phone a couple months ago, so no I don't have any backed up pictures, my evidence is lost! But I can always rely on my old twitter posts, and with this blog and Kev, since they archive a lot of evidence.

- it's suspected that Marcy and blurry are still friends, if you guys don't know even though I talked about it twice, Marcy is a groomer and stole 3-4 OCS from Kev and tried to sell them. I talk about it a couple times in the ss with me and blurrys dad in the twitter replies. cause blurry for all we know is probably still friends with the two predatory proship artist creators, I even once told him about one of them with their bad behaviour and like 6 months later he's still talking to them and is in their helluva boss discord server. Blurry once reached out to me on Tumblr and I told him stuff about mob, he said they weren't mutuals and that he'd stop talking to mob, but then me and Kev find out blurry rebranded after he deleted all of his accounts and went into mobs discord helluva boss server despite what we told blurry about mob with given evidence 😭

3) anyways, continuing, you and your sister disregarded your dad's actions, your sister went out to DM Kev and to tell her to stop, however I won't forget how the both of you defended your dad's actions in threatening kids with creepy behaviour.

Although, I told Kev back then to split blurry and blurrys dads behaviour, as I felt like blurry shouldn't have any blame with his dad's actions. But blurry and his sister instead just tried to downplay their dad's actions towards me, Kev and a minor. Even if his dad is sorry, he shouldn't have done any of that in the first place.

Anyways, blurry sent an ask to Kev too (I know the blog already seen this but I'll still include it) this one doesn't seem personal like what blurry sent to me. Because this is just plain vile and deserves to be on display, sorry blurry ┐(´ー｀)┌

Here you are, calling Kev and her friends "harassers" yet you send in this ask to Kev. Calling her art shit, with other insults.

I understand you're angry blurry, but I'll have you know that just yesterday, Kev was planning to make a doc on you and Marcy, when I told Kev not to (for now)

Infact, there are times I told Kev to consider at least some of your opinions. but instead it disappoints me that you send in a hateful ask to Kev out of anger, I don't know what happened, If this has to do with Kev making a debunk thread on twitter, or if it's me talking about Marcy here and suspecting the two of you are still friends, despite the fact Marcy is a groomer and stole Kev's OCS plenty of times.

I'm aware both blurry and Kev talk crap about each other's art style, however I don't want to be involved in that, cause I can't do anything about that 💀

However I don't agree with anyone and everyone here talking crap about each other's art style, cause that's none of my business and it shouldn't be anyone elses. However that's frequently normal when it comes to a 'problematic content creator' with their art style. people shit on the danganronpa art style a lot on twitter, same with the fnf art style sometimes, etc etc. However it shouldn't go far to where it involves harassment. Now blurry bursted out in anger for whatever reason and just sends in a sudden ask to Kev with insults 😭

^^^^^^

Yeah, we got evidence of Blurry's dad saying that stuff to Starry and Kev as shown here and here

The guy's being a literal hypocrite like always, not only insulting Kev but insulting an entire streaming service, basically an entire community. It's insane

[popop-maru]

Hey so I once in a while post about Metalocalypse and I wanna say, at the possible expense of my ability to do that, @secret-tacos is my best friend of over 10 years. We've known each other for an eternity. I was a young teenager when I met him, we were both still discovering ourselves- We were different people, and we've been through a lot and learned who we are together. Nothing in this world will come between us, or sever the memories we've shared- And we've both met some shitty people who have tried.

For a while, we + some friends have discussed a lack of darker/more serious content in fandom, despite the show obviously being pretty dark itself (a recurring character is a registered sex offender, for one) and how people who DO make this content (while it may not be triggering in nature) that we've been friends with have been afraid to post things like guro for fear of being lumped in with the worst kinds of people, and that isn't an exaggeration.

I've seen people lump in "DNI if you do X/ship X" with terfs, zionists, etc. in the literal same sentence, and I think at that point you seriously need to step back and look at your life, and why you choose to engage with that content (even to rant about it) if it bothers you. But you also need to realize that these things are not real.

There is someone popular in this SAME FANDOM who has written dynamics involving adults and minors being romantic/sexual that makes me personally uncomfortable, and no you don't need to know why. You're not entitled to that information. But that isn't treated as a bad thing, people ignore it, and how its romanticized- Which is not a courtesy given to my friend, Damien.

So, my friend posts a list of prompts for fanart/fanfic involving various taboo themes. Some of them horror themes, some of them potential triggers, etc. He does this explicitly to give people, some of whom are friends, an excuse to create what they want while diverting the target onto his own back. If you do not like these things, then do not engage with them. It is that simple.

He did make the mistake of not trigger tagging the prompts, under the impression that just seeing the words (the offending ones being "noncon" and "incest") would not be a trigger for people, but others have talked to him about this and he's corrected it. That's over and done with.

What I don't understand is people who have gone out of their way to comment on the post and message him about how they DONT WANT TO INTERACT WITH THE POST. That doesn't make any sense to me. The only outcome I can see is that they want him to delete it, and possibly his blog, which isn't going to happen.

Nowhere did he say, either, that these things had to be sexual. Nowhere did he say that you couldn't write a dark, introspective fanfic about these things that ultimately speaks to something deeper. He also didn't say they COULDN'T be porn, he very much didn't say that.

I want to throw it out there, I'm not proship or comship or whatever else people want to call it nowadays, because I think its cringe and fail to spend all your free time arguing about what other people do online.

Just like I think it's stupid to go to someone else's blog and say how angry you are that you chose to go to their blog. Or to post in discord servers THAT HE'S IN about how much you hate his content. Or to follow him and reblog his art and then comment that you hate what he's doing.

You can put it on whatever morally pure pedestal you want, but that's just. Kind of mean and unnecessary.

The express challenge here is to give people a space to create dark content, and for people who DONT WANT TO SEE THAT to blacklist it and move on. Which was the outcome people wanted, but not the one we got.

I understand if you're a survivor and you're offended, and that isn't the intention at all. When people look at fiction, they do not think of you, and they do not want to hurt you. But I am still sorry if you've been hurt.

I understand the desire to rail against anyone who posts something you don't like. I do. You can't complain to the writers of the show directly about the content you dislike (and if you do, they won't listen) but if you want to complain about a specific blog? You can just go there and comment and hope that they get bullied off the website, that's something you can do right now and tell all your friends how you're morally right for it.

And you will. And you'll do it to me, too, and you'll tell everyone how good it felt to do it. Because you're such a good person, because it feels so good to be good, and everyone should know how good you are.

[buggysimp]

Arghrhrgrhgffhh I want to make more south park friends so bad I'd love to make/join a sp discord server if anyone has one that's kyman/cartman-shipping-in-general friendly one I'd love to join but I'm unsure how to go about it

I guess this post would be it? If you have a server like that it'd be cool to join just shoot a dm !!

Would prefer ones that don't include nsfw of their like kid designs, hard proship OR antiship (js no like pedo , incest , sa in a positive light ?) And preferably mainly other adults :3

Personal rambling under cut

This is probably my first time in awhile actually full on delving back into fandom and regularly interacting and posting about ANY fandom, for a couple years I've just been kinda getting into things but not immersing into fandom, of course it'd be south park X3

Ahhh I remember 2015-2020 being really into fandoms and just making friends and joining gcs, getting back into the south park fandom truly making me nostalgic for it but this time I can actually like have well thought conversations now as an adult and rewatching the whole show

Past that I just have so many thoughts about this silly show and want to discuss [and make more friends-] as much as I love just dumping it onto Tumblr it'd be nice to be able to havc personal conversations about it

That's about it for that, I hope at least a few people see this and reach out :3

(Count how many times I said fandom LUL )

Have a good day if you see this :3

[iholli]

well I'm not going to fight Tumblr to find the post again. BUT. once again I am posting interest check for the semi-personal, proship selfship safe [but not focused], fandom, art, & gaming Discord server concept I was tossing around a couple months back

[quetzalpapalotl]

I'm sorry to jump into your inbox, not trying to go on a soapbox but I think it's interesting to hear this from the perspective of someone outside of the US. I've always thought the proship/anti/anti-anti shipping discourse was so painfully American (US) too. And very...white. I'm in an all-black Discord server with hundreds of people and vented about fandom discourse one day and everyone was like "girl what?" It put things into perspective lmao.

Yeaaah, I've heard talk about Black people feeling used by both sides, when no one puts as much effort into activism as they do into fandom discourse.

I definitively think that all these discourse reflects Usamerican or at least Anglo sensibilities, probably white. Althought sometimes thei discourse leaks into other countries. Thing is that, cultural imperialism is Very Much A Thing and is sometimes very tiring because people in the US really don't seem to realize how much of their culture they're unknowingly projecting as universal when their culture is already being imposed as universal deliberately.

Keep in mind that these are broad generalizations because is hard to convey the nuance of an entire culture in an ask reply, but people in Mexico don't take things very seriously, there's a sort of bold and chill culture. Of course you have your super Catholic people who think any deviance is from the devil, and there's a lot of conservative values. So is hard for people to understand that is harfulm to use bigoted language even if you're joking and don't mean it, but we're working on that. And Mexican media is rampant with sexism, and queerphobia, and racism, so to turn around and see people tearing creators apart over what "good representation" means, is... is something alright.

And from another perspective, ever since I learned to pirate when I was 12, most of the media I've consumed growing up has been anime, and ever since then I got involved in online fandom. And back then it was much less mainstream so people wouldn't watch it so casually, they would try to better understand Japanese culture to better understand the media they liked. Of course there were people who didn't and people who got into fights over who understands Japans better and fetichization and whatnot, but for the most part there seemed to be an understanding that this is Foreign Media. And recently that has shifted, people seem to interpret it through purely Usamerican lens, which leads to a lot of condemnation.

Hope this makes sense, but yeah I do agree with you that fandom discourse for the most part is Usamerican and white. Some people with better understanding of US values and history have talked about how it reflects puritan views and whatnot. But I'm glad you found a place to chill without so much drama.

[azems-familiar]

get to know the blogger

i was tagged for this by @starknstarwars, thank you very much! i am tagging @ipreferfiction @tarrevizsla @darthsassacre @glitter-cronch @reliable-apprentice and anyone else who wants to join!

1) why did you choose your url?

so i've been through a few different urls in the past, but i ended up settling on this one when i switched over to primarily kotor stuff. the canon "revanchist" url is held by an empty blog, so i took the next best available thing. (my previous url was skywalking-across-the-galaxy and it was chosen exclusively for the pun.)

2) any sideblogs?

i made one as a joke to make in-character sith years revan, malak, and jedi exile in universe social media posts with a couple friends about a year ago. i don't actually do anything with it but it Exists.

3) how long have you been on tumblr?

since early 2016, i think my blog's anniversary is in april? oh god that was a lot longer ago than i want to think about.

4) why did you originally start your blog?

because i had just gotten into the doctor who fandom and i wanted to reach a wider audience with fanfiction. i was 16/17 and brand new to fandom as a group experience and ended up on tumblr after discovering that ao3 existed.

5) why did you choose your icon?

my icon and header change from time to time, when i feel like changing things up a bit, but for quite a while now my icon has been this absolutely stunning portrait of my Revan done by my beloved @stellorc, who is a dear friend and an incredible artist. it is the best piece of art i currently have of my Revan and since she's the main character i focus on and write about these days, i figured she should be the centerpiece! also i just love looking at that art.

6) why did you choose your header?

my header is a color-changed gif from the kotor remake teaser trailer done by @tarrevizsla, with a quote that someone stuck on an edit of the early kotor comics to describe Revan going against the Council to join the war, which has always stuck with me as very appropriate. I Just Think It's Neat and also symbolism.

7) what is your post with the most notes?

uhhhh that's hard for me to tell because my blog is old. a tcw art i commissioned in 2018 is pretty big. a few chat posts i made during my sequels era. the HK-47 locket shitpost i made has just over a thousand and is definitely my largest-note kotor/swtor related post!

8) how many mutuals do you have?

unknown and i'm not going through to count all of them. quite a few. my entire discord server (or the people who talk actively at least). hello beloved tor hell friends. (pspspspsps come join tor hell)

9) how many followers do you have?

2014, somehow. not many of them interact with me. a lot are from my doctor who or tcw days.

10) how many blogs do you follow?

2285. i should probably go through and prune that there are a lot of people i don't even know who they are anymore lol.

11) have you ever made a shitpost?

more times than i'd like to admit to, yes. my most popular recent one is definitely this gif:

12) how many times do you use tumblr a day?

let's just say i'm terminally online.

13) have you ever fought another blog?

yeah. i'm proship and have been known to ship some "problematic" things back in the day. i haven't been as badly involved in discourse but yknow how things go. also i will go to war to defend my friends.

14) how do you feel about "need to reblog" posts?

fuck those. if you say i MUST reblog something i am immediately going to Not Do That just out of spite.

15) do you like tag games?

absolutely, just sometimes i'm slow to respond.

16) do you like ask games?

yes! i love interaction! i crave it! however sometimes i can be bad at responding and then i feel horribly guilty whoops

17) which of your mutuals do you think are tumblr famous?

none who are tumblr famous but i am mutuals with @renesassing my beloved, who is a pretty damn popular artist, so there's that

18) do you have a crush on a mutual?

not particularly no. i mean one of my mutuals (i'm sure no one can guess which one) is my platonic partner and best friend but like. that's it lol