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#in canon they are not happily together they're eternally separated
prince-jelli-fish · 9 months
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their relationship in a nutshell
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goosetooths · 1 year
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maybe you just haven’t seen it yet, but you didn’t post about it and im curious so… how’d you feel about gomens 2?
also i LOVE your art style!!!
AAH HI! thank you so much!! i've watched it and i LOVED it for a great number of reasons. i just wanted to get through most of the initial shock and awe and drawing frenzy before i said anything. my thoughts below the cut!
OKAY SO.
i loved it. yes, even the ending. i know it's sad and awful and not what we wanted, exactly, but it's so deliciously complicated that i can't help but love it. things didn't work out for them right away. they're canon, and queer, and deeply in love, and instead of a perfect happy ever after, they're going to get to grow and learn and continue to be beautifully complicated characters that have problems they need to work through.
aziraphale is going to have to grow enough to cognitively choose crowley, something he's struggled with on and off throughout all of time. crowley is going to have to figure out who he is without aziraphale. i think this separation will make their eventual reunion just that much better. i think that through this pain, they'll become the best versions of themselves that they could possibly be for each other before they settle in for an eternity of loving one another above all else.
that being said i did weep at crowley's confession, at the kiss, at the Divorce(tm). it's fucking DEVASTATING. i know we're going to get our happy ending eventually, though, so i'm choosing to see this as an opportunity to watch these characters i love just. cognitively CHOOSE one another and decide to be together forever.
i for one trust neilman to deliver us unto the south downs cottage eventually, so i am going to revel in the angst and the many many ways they can move past that angst in the meantime. i'm literally writing a fix it fic right now hdjchhdjd
other thoughts:
1. i wish it had been longer! so much happened so fast and i wish there was a bit more breathing room but what can you do
2. LOVED muriel, LOVED nina, LOVED maggie. loved how maggie and nina were also nuanced queer characters who didn't automatically get together happily and acknowledged that they need to grow and change before they can be together. but they also acknowledge that they do want to be together. very sweet!!!
3. jimgabe was very funny. loved him. loved him and beez and i'm happy for them theyre sweet !!!
4. the minisodes were SO much fun. i loved all three and i'm so glad we got them :^)
5. thE LAUDANUM BIT LMAO. i love crowley off her head on laudanum
6. turtleneck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7. just generally loved that azicrow were allowed to be very goofy and very visibly in love and touchy this season. it was incredibly sweet and made me VERY happy and Almost makes up for the devastation of the ending. all crowley's little voices and goofy movements were so endearing, and all aziraphale's little longing looks made me want to throw up (affectionate). also protective crowley!!!!!
i have many more thoughts and could probably go on forever and ever and ever and ever (and ever and ever and ever) but i'll save 'em for later. i also buy into the coffee theory. okay bye
ps. if u have fix it fic recs pls send em my way :^)
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ignitification · 4 years
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I'm glad we could handle this respectfully.
Two questions
Do you think Endeavor will Die in the Future,Like Dabi Kills him?or will he stay alive throughout?
Also I feel like and hope him and Rei Should get a divorce.She should'nt be with someone who's hurt her Physically and psychologically.I think them not being married would be very healthy for them
And In response,People can change but I haven't seen the villians wanna change since they believe they're in the right.you have to want change in order to change.Shigaraki,Toga,Dabi and All for one have shown no signs of wanting to change.this is all my opinion but like They honestly don't wanna change since they believe,due to their pasts,that they're doing the right thing.Dabi has Murdered 30 innocent people,Toga is literally a wanted Serial Who drinks blood like Juice,and Shigaraki Murdered many heroes and ordered his Minions to destroy everything.
Imo,that doesn't look like wanting to change.
I feel like they work well as villians So Horikoshi probably won't redeem them But again I can't predict the future so I'm getting ahead of myself 😅sorry for wasting your time
It was just my two sense
Plus we need to fix hero society but they're doing it in a cruel and hypocritical way
I'd like to address the three points you made in three different sections:
Endeavour probability of staying alive (of which I already talked here, so it will be short)
Rei's involvment with Todoroki Enji
The Three Villains (the three mains) not wanting to change (on which I already hinted at here and here)
Trigger warning: mentions of suicide; violence; self-harm.
1.) Endeavour’s course of life (and action)
To be honest, I think this is the easiest point to address and I’ll refrain from going over and over again the same point. My answer, as before, is no. I do not think that Enji is going to die (refer to the linked before post for a more in depth analysis of why). However, on the question whether Enji Todoroki will still be alive at the end of the manga, I think the answer might be different. I utterly think that where the manga is going so far foreshadows a lot of pain to come. And I’ll let Horikoshi do whatever he plans, but my spider-senses tell me that even if he does survive, Endeavour is unlikely to get a happy ending (or at least a canonically happy one). He will be hold responsible of his actions, and that is the most important thing. As long as he gets on the right path, everything could happen. Especially considering the events of Ch. 300, which might be interpreted as a first step on regaining the real narrative of what went down (and which might be even more cruel than we think) , so this means we are getting at the root of the problem. 
2.) Rei’s involvement in Enji’s life
This, on the contrary, is the most delicate point of the post. Rei is introduced as a 'weak' and heavily mentally abused character. She is confined in a hospital and she seems to be closed in her own world so much she does not notice time passing and stares out of the window trying to make sense of the world. Which, on one hand, I think is very fitting for her, but at the same time I am included to think that this is the furthest thing from what Rei' character is supposed to be.
Rei Todoroki is a victim. But she is not weak. She made her mistakes (of which she is aware of and feels guilty about, but that's for another time because Shouto's scar - mental and facial - is a whole lot deal to unpack) and she had way too much time to think. Shouto never held it against her and now, he, together with Natsuo and Fuyumi helped her to regain the confidence she knows Enji took from her. He closed her off in a hospital to prederve her health, but instead he just took off years of her life from her children and viceversa.
However, I am not sure whether Enji and Rei are still married or separated or divorced or whatever. It seems like on paper they are still together, but there is a rift in their relationship.
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I mean, look at this panel: Rei is behind her children, looking at Endeavour like the douchebag he is, and telling him promptly that, this, is not about him and that however he might feel, he is not the victim or the one who needs to be forgiven.
I, personally, have never thought much of her character, besides of her being sick, in hospital and trying not to relapse so hard.
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The first time we see her, she looks lifeless. They looks listless. And I can't stress that enough, it is not that she did not try to fight it. But accepting that the trauma happened in the first time is a stress for her mental health. But instead of getting worse, Shouto and her family's presence revitalizes her.
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Which beings me to the point made in the last panel. She knows that in his shallow way, Endeavour tried to tell her that he is still there, and while he does not want to impose his presence, he will still wait for her when she wants to.
Funny thing, is that we discover is that she does not want him back. She is done with everything that happened and she is ready to take the reigns of her life back. And in order to do that she needs to wash their dirty landry. And she does not care of how this might affect Endeavour, but instead she wants justice, truth and not tears and excuses.
Rei ia going to fight to have her way. Be it out of Endeavour 's life or inside the life of Touya, time only will tell.
And finally point 3.) The Big Three Villains' on change and saviours
I am very hard trying to get through to everyone out there while I say that change is something that comes to you regardless of whether you want it or not. Shigaraki, Dabi and Toga do not recognise that they might be able to change, and that they might be saved. In their minds, fairly, they do not have to change in order to be eligible for salvation. I already stressed this in my other answers, they should not change in order for them to ‘deserve’ being saved. Maybe they do not even want it. But if the chance presents itself, of them being offered a hand, would they dare to take it? Probably not. And this is not because they are happily wasting their time to kill and fuck around, no. It’s because it’s a mechanism ingrained into their minds: Dabi escaped home after he abused and neglected, Shigaraki accidentally killed his family and then was left to himself, and Toga was deemed weird and creepy and just cast aside as trash. Do you see a pattern here? If yes, well congratulations. It’s a quirk-based society, and since their quirks somehow became synonym to their worth, these individuals were deemed not worthy or villains from the get-go and they just choose to embrace whatever life threw at them, instead of just letting go. And let me tell you, that in their cases, letting go would mean die. They all, in some degree, suffer from auto-destructive and self-harm tendencies, which should be telling enough. And if it not, just think about why people behave this way. Why do people feel the need to destroy themselves? They do because they feel like the pain inside them feels a tiny bit lighter if they externate. Shigaraki told Izuku that as this failed society refused and never forgave him, he won’t forgive anyone in return. He does not care about his crimes because apart from those crimes he commits for a reason, he has nothing else going on. He does not have a family to go home to. He does not have a home. He does not have anything apart from the League, his memories hunting him and the eternal stigma of society labelling him as unsavable.
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So excuse me very much when I say that they do not want to change and they might be right. Nothing changed, and nothing changes now. The only hope they have to be redeemed, it’s not for the heroes to forget their crimes, and to enjoy further destruction but to understand that the only way someone can help you is if believe in them. Dabi does not think he deserves to be saved. Toga had hopes which were destroyed right after Hawks killed Twice. Shigaraki put everything on the stake because the kid never knew how to genuinely smile. Let us for a moment think what would have happened to Eri if she did not get saved. It’s not hard after all: the kids of the League are all examples of what happens then.
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It’s not because they change that they need to be saved. They need to be saved because they need to change. 
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