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#is it the Aelfinn or the Eelfinn?
musanocturnis · 1 year
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Far till Rhuidean, stridernas son Far till Rhuidean, upptågsmakare Far till Rhuidean, spelare FAR
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syl-stormblessed · 1 year
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everyone loves talking about the batshit worldbuilding in WoT but I feel like everybody tends to overlook the Vaguely Evil Elves From Another Dimension that have their own officially licensed chutes and ladders-esque board game that you Cannot Ever Win
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thewayoftheleaf · 1 year
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I do genuinely love the mysteries in Wheel of Time so much. In a series with so much worldbuilding, there's still so much that's only ever hinted at! There are so many ter'angreal we never find out the intended use for, impossible monuments and buildings of unknown materials that are only ever mentioned in passing. The Forsaken casually discuss the high-tech utopia they used to live in. You have entire non-Euclidean dimensions that we only ever visit briefly but that have an incredibly rich implied history. Alternate dimensions demonstrably exist and characters travel to them just to use them as shortcuts. There's the whole thing with the Ogier. Like what the fuck is up with that.
Wheel of Time is science fiction actually and I think that's cool as all fucking hell.
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matgpt · 10 months
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This is a joke I (@highladyluck) am taking too far, as always. Thanks to @anyboli for the original inspiration, @gunkreads for the OpenAelfinn piece, @iliiuan for saying someone should actually make this a blog, and @pillowfriendly for the completely cursed header image manip and adorable icon (based off original art by @coreylansdell).
This is somewhere in the liminal space between an ask blog and an RP blog- ask questions about how Mat would respond to situations or characters, what Mat knows or doesn’t know, etc. Answers will probably not be delivered in-character but any dialogue will be.
If you don’t like the answers, please reblog your answer with more specific instructions so MatGPT can be refined and improved!
If you really don’t like the answers, please direct complaints to OpenAelfinn by entering the nearest twisted stone doorway (no fire, music, or iron implements permitted) or visiting our headquarters at the Tower of Ghenji.
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markantonys · 1 year
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what do we think about the aelfinn etc? will we still see them in 3x01? or did mat get his ancient memories from blowing the horn, and his motive for going to rhuidean will simply be "i feel so bad about stabbing rand that i'm going to plaster myself to his side and make myself into his personal bodyguard"
okay fuck i just remembered he gets the memories from the eelfinn anyway lmao so that isn't even relevant! the only thing the aelfinn do is tell him to go to rhuidean and give him the marriage prophecy, both of which the show could just as easily keep or cut (or move so that there's only one finn visit and he gets his answers AND magical items in the same trip)
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iliiuan · 1 year
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I've decided that when Mat cuts a hole using the ashandarei to get out of the Tower of Genjei, that the hole is permanent and the Finn can now invade Earth. They probably pass out on the threshold from the *ecstasy* of it all. The battles to get them re-contained will be epic, not least because a rather large portion of the population will want to keep them around.
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I cannot stop wondering if the 'Finn are going to be in the show. I keep making arguments for and against. I am a fully grown adult. I have SPONSERBILLERIES. And this is all I can think about. This is my Roman Empire
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kristakittyfish · 1 year
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mat cauthon is so babygirl
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alectology-archive · 2 years
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I love how mat is the least qualified person to give us an educated and informed opinion on the aelfinn and eelfinn and remains the only character to get a pov during all the finn sequences. we could have gotten a moiraine pov (nerd aes sedai) or a rand pov (jock nerd) or a thom pov (bard who’s well-versed in mythology) but mat starts with basically net zero info about the finn except the basics that egwene told him and is so self absorbed with his own ~problems~ that he absolutely does not stop to spend more than 2 seconds wondering why space acts so funny in their realm since he’s more busy worrying about how they’re going cheat him or hurt him. I love unreliable narrators etc.
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highladyluck · 8 months
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The Finn stole my baby AU
ok FINE you can all have the Eelfinn Stole My Baby in outline form
I've never pinned down the details on this, because I think it would be most interesting as an installment in a larger series and a lot of the details would be determined by the needs of the overall storyline, but this is the vague outline:
1) Fortuona has just found out from Min that her kid's going to be a marath'damane. Because a) SOME IDIOT (maybe Mat, maybe Berelain if they're on speaking terms, there's some other options depending on the scenario) made the mistake of telling her about Sindhol in some way that makes her actually believe in it, b) she's a slut for prophecy and always has been, and c) she wants to explore all her options, she wants to go to Sindhol to get some answers from the Aelfinn. The questions she intends to ask vary by setting but it's something along the lines of how to survive the current situation/protect her marath'damane child/solve the sul'dam problem/ensure stability of the Empire in the westlands/how best to reconquer mainland Seanchan. You know! #FortuonaProblems. Mat eventually agrees to escort her; both to get in, since the only way in right now is the Tower of Ghenji, and to get out.
2) But because they're going in outside of treaty rules and Mat's there, the Eelfinn are the ones waiting for them and they won't let Fortuona go see the Aelfinn (maybe they say that they won't see Mat, but they will see her, if she agrees to be escorted alone. Mat's almost like "oh, over my dead body" but catches himself just in time.) Whatever deal Fortuona makes with the Eelfinn involves something she can use to solve her existing political problems (not sure what this is but it could be something horrible, like a better male a'dam), and something for Mat (maybe a magic replacement eye?). The third item is either something else for her, something else for Mat, or a very thoroughly rules-lawyered escape clause, depending on how confident Mat was/she is about being able to escape with the ashandarai. In exchange, they take her about-to-be-born-child, which she either explicitly names as the price, or is counting on them taking as the price.
3) At least they're not gonna eat the kid; the Eelfinn want a human child who can channel to build them new treaty doors someday, and if the human child is raised by them and therefore on their side, so much the better. They're also thrilled to get another piece of Mat. I figure the Eelfinn would want the savor of Mat and Tuon fighting about this, so while there's a possibility that the world's least hygenic c-section happens before Mat cottons on to what Tuon just bargained away, I think it would be more likely that they don't strike until the price is explicit or Mat has figured it out.
Tuon's like "I understand that you're upset but it's better this way. I came to solve a problem. It's not solved the way I intended, but it's solved and I got you an incredible boon in the bargain. We can always have more children."
Mat's like "Yeah, well, you aren't having them with me! You're a monster for unilaterally trading our child to my eldritch enemies."
She's like "If I'm a monster, so are you. As soon as you found out she would be marath'damane you began setting plans in motion to take her from her destiny. From the empire. From me. Don't think I haven't noticed. At least in this situation, I'm getting something out of it that benefits both of us."
4) I honestly don't entirely know what happens next, but it's bad. Unstoppable force (Mat's desire to rescue women & his love of Tuon) meets immovable object (said woman/Tuon just betrayed him and his innocent child to his worst enemies). Would he just leave Tuon there? (maybe?) Would he try to trade Tuon's life for the baby's? (I like this because I like pain and I think he might be deranged enough in the moment to do it) Would he try to trade his life for the baby's? (maybe, but they wouldn't accept it.) Would he try to kill all the Eelfinn? (yes, and they'd still take the baby.) Like how the fuck do you recover from any of that? And the worst part is you can like… sort of see where Tuon is coming from, if you enjoy women's wrongs? And she really just wanted to meet the Aelfinn and it's Mat's fault that it isn't going as planned?
5) If there's a sequel, it would be the fully grown child showing up in their world with a terrifying knowledge of esoteric ter'angreal construction and thoroughly socialized as a *Finn some improbably short amount of time later. Maybe when Elayne and Mat mount a rescue mission in a few months. Time runs differently in Sindhol if the *Finn need it to.
Bonus: I'm still debating adding a variant of this to the epilogue of The Fox That Makes The Ravens Fly- for one thing, I haven't decided yet if Tuon is pregnant, and if she is, by whom. If I do it'll be Rand who tells her about the Aelfinn & Thom who tells her about the Eelfinn, she'll go in with Thom and someone else (Elayne, I think, in exchange for access to the dice-ring ter'angreal that replicates Mat's luck, also Elayne would love to go on that field trip, although I could see Min being interested for the metaphysics of it all), and the ostensible point is to rescue Moiraine. I think instead of that, she negotiates getting Mat back, at the cost of leaving her baby with them, and resetting the timeline so Mat never died and the canon events where Moiraine gets rescued happen, but she remembers the old timeline. I have no idea if the *Finn actually get to keep her baby, who may or may not be a sparker in this scenario, or for that matter if they get to keep Moiraine, but I bet they'd take the bargain regardless because they invested a lot in Mat & also now Tuon has some weird fucking emotions about the entire life she didn't lead. Also they're the fae, the only thing they like more than bargain eyeballs is bargain babies.
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butterflydm · 2 years
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Mat & the Aelfinn prophecies
Summary: One of Mat’s prophecies is very different from the others, in both form and execution. Maybe there’s a reason for that.
While this does have spoilers through A Memory of Light, my reasoning is based pretty much entirely on the solo Jordan books, so that’s why I’m posting it now, before I start my reread of The Gathering Storm.
however, spoilers through A Memory of Light are below.
One of things that I dislike about the Mat-Tuon relationship is that it feels like a narrative punishment for Mat (honestly, almost much everything in Ebou Dar and onward felt that way to me). But I’ve been thinking about that while I was reading CoT & KoD, and it made me wonder... what if it wasn’t the author who was punishing Mat here?
What if it was someone inside the narrative?
Mat saving Moiraine helps save the world, because she is able to help Egwene and Rand come to an agreement with each other. Mat living and dying also helps save the world by releasing him from the Horn and enabling someone else to use it (since he’s kinda busy and all). So, if two of Mat’s fates directly help save the world... what about the third fate?
Who does it aid that Mat marries Tuon? Does it aid Mat? Does it aid the Westlands at all? Why would marrying Tuon be part of his ‘fate’?
There not only does not appear to be a benefit to the Westlands & Rand, it actually seems to actively harm the Westlands -- Mat protects Tuon from being assassinated and considers ways to help the Seanchan Empire to survive past the shock of the sul’dam secret being revealed. Mat marrying Tuon also helps protect her/the Seanchan from Westlands retaliation for the invasion of their continent by putting the best general in history on the side of the slavers. Hundreds (potentially thousands) of people will end up staying enslaved as a result of the marriage, if Mat truly does mean to make certain to keep the Seanchan Empire alive in its current form.
It also doesn’t seem to aid Mat himself much -- he is trapped into a marriage where his wife’s way of ‘flirting’ is to constantly threaten to enslave or murder him, while he remains intensely attracted to many other women and obviously would not have chosen a monogamous relationship.
Mat does not end up being the key to the alliance between the Westlands and the Seanchan+ -- he’s much more important to Rand and Egwene reconciling (due to saving Moiraine) than he is to the Westlands and the Seanchan allying, because Rand is already pretty set on allying with the Seanchan at that point, no matter what the moral cost.
Ah, but Mat does... save Moiraine. From the ‘finn, the very people who gave him all his prophecies to begin with.
Mat is given three prophecies by the Aelfinn, in their last moments together in the doorway in Tear. Of those prophecies, two of them would happen no matter what as long as Mat stayed with Rand for as long as he did -- Moiraine made her choice to bodyslam Lanfear into the Eelfinn doorway based on what she saw in the silver rings, not based on what she heard in the Aelfinn doorway. And Mat would have gone to Caemlyn and gotten temporarily killed by Rahvin regardless of the Aelfinn prophecies as well (AMoL confirmed that this is the death that un-tied him from the Horn).
But their other prophecy -- that he would marry the Daughter of the Nine Moons -- is a prophecy that is only fulfilled based on Mat behaving according to how the Aelfinn have instructed him to act. Mat marries Tuon because they tell him to, no other reason. Before he finds out that she’s his prophesied wife, he was planning to leave her behind when he escaped; he was not attracted enough to Tuon as a person to consider bringing her with him on her own merits.
So this marriage seems entirely arranged by the Aelfinn and not by the Pattern*. Why would they do that?
Could it have been a punishment/price from the Aelfinn, who already know that Mat is destined to come back and steal Moiraine from them?
Tuon is perfectly calculated to be everything that Mat hates: capable of channeling, she’s a noble/royal, she abuses her power over other people and expects complete subservience from those around her, she threatens him constantly, she treats him as if he were her property, she would enslave his sister and other loved ones if she had the chance, and he doesn’t even want to be in a monogamous relationship to begin with.
In CoT & KoD, Mat talks himself into respecting and trusting her ‘because wife’ (which leads to her being able to undermine and betray him on multiple occasions such as attempting to leash the Aes Sedai in the circus or stealing his medallion) but even in their final scene in AMoL, he has to force a smile around her after she announces her pregnancy. This marriage is going to be a misery for Mat and yet there appears to be no in-text reason why it actually needed to happen. It happens because it happens because it happens.
We are warned that the Aelfinn and Eelfinn are tricky and that there is no way to beat them. It does feel much in the spirit of a fey sort of person if they gave Mat two types of prophecies: two true no matter what as long as he followed his thread of fate, and the third to exist as the price for learning the others.
And, side note and relevant to @markantonys: on rereading the text, the only ACTUAL prophecy that the Aelfinn specifically tell him will get him killed if he avoids it is that he needs to go to Rhuidean rather than going home to the Two Rivers (and it’s specifically because he will get MURDERED by people opposed to him fulfilling his fate if he doesn’t go there -- and this one is very believable! He gets the ancient memories and the medallion in Rhuidean and those are KEY to him being able to survive potentially deadly encounters with Shadowspawn & survive through dangerous battles).
He weedles the other three prophecies out of them at the end and there’s no direct implication that avoiding those three fates would lead to his death. I myself also thought that marrying Tuon was linked to him not getting killed but that implication is actually not in the text! And even if she is his ‘fated’ wife, it’s also clear in the text that he can avoid his fate, because this entire encounter is the Aelfinn warning him NOT to avoid going to Rhuidean because it would lead to him being vulnerable to being killed by his enemies. Mat decides that him ‘living and dying again’ (which he mistakenly thinks is about being hanged by the Eelfinn in Rhuidean, so there is also in-text evidence that Mat has misinterpreted at least one of his prophecies) is proof that it’s also impossible for him to escape the DotNM but there actually isn’t evidence in the text that this in the case. On the contrary, it seems like it IS possible for Mat to avoid this part of his fate and would, in fact, have been extremely easy for him to have avoided it (if he hadn’t known about the prophecy), since he would have just... left at the end of Winter’s Heart and never seen Tuon again, having absolutely no idea that she was ever meant to be his fated anything.
References from the text (The Shadow Rising):
“If you do not go to Rhuidean,” the woman on the right said. “You will die.”
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Mat asks, “Why will I die if I do not go to Rhuidean?”
“You will have sidestepped the thread of fate, left your fate to drift on the winds of time, and you will be killed by those who do not want that fate fulfilled.”
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He persists and asks, “What fate?”
“To marry the Daughter of the Nine Moons.” (which becomes possible as a result of going to the Eelfinn, which gives him his memory of Artur Hawkwing’s face, but also becomes possible because they just told him about it)
“To die and live again, and live once more as part of what was.” (this is locked into place just by staying by Rand’s side; which Mat would ‘sidestep’ by going home to the Two Rivers instead of staying with Rand)
“To give up half the light of the world to save the world.” (this is locked into place by Moiraine’s choices and by Mat going to Salidar by Rand’s command, as that’s what makes him meet Thom again)
Both of the second two prophecy fulfillments flow naturally from Mat’s character development and his nature; but marrying tDotNM remains a jarring departure from his previous characterization even when it happens.
+It’s possible that it was Jordan’s original INTENTION that any Seanchan alliance would hinge on Mat being married to Tuon (with him being a ‘binding cord’ like Aviendha was supposed to be between Rand & the Aiel due to their relationship, which Jordan also basically dropped as a concept) but that’s not how he ended up writing it, whether that was because he wanted to punt all moral issues to the outriggers or for other reasons, because in order to make Mat marrying Tuon key to getting Seanchan support for the Last Battle, there were two key mistakes Jordan made:
Jordan needed to not have Mat be the one making all the concessions in their ‘relationship’. Jordan just couldn’t bring himself to ever let Tuon be vulnerable, for whatever reason (maybe the same reason he glorified Cadsuane’s bullying). But, regardless of the reasons, making the Mat-Tuon relationship one where he never fights her on anything important means that it’s absolutely useless in political terms and doesn’t really count as a ‘marriage alliance’.
Jordan should not have ALREADY had Rand willing to make peace with the Seanchan no matter what the cost. Honestly, this one point is enough to render the Mat-Tuon marriage entirely pointless. Rand was already willing to bend on slavery and humble himself for Tuon, thus making it so that (once again, a familiar refrain with Tuon’s storyline) Rand must make all the important concessions while Tuon makes barely any at all and gets to keep on trucking along in her untouched slaver bubble where she never has to admit she’s anything less than perfect and The Only Real Person In The World. If it really did take Mat’s magic...skills in the bedroom... for Tuon to even be willing to listen to Rand, then the Westlands would have been much better off with her assassinated by Suroth anyway, because she’s already so far off the deep end that she’s unsalvageable.
*Note: I am not considering Tuon’s own prophecy in this analysis because she gets hers so late in the game -- she hears the prophecy from the damane literally the day before she lands in Ebou Dar and meets Mat for the first time, when all the rest of the pieces are already in place for the forced marriage -- Mat already heard his prophecy months ago, Mat already has the memories, Mat already is trapped in Ebou Dar and wants to get out. By the time Tuon gets her prophecy, Mat’s side of things has been set in stone, so the prophecy is a true prophecy for her, due to Mat’s actions, as guided by the Aelfinn.
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squirrelwrangler · 8 months
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The Twitter outrage fretting over May in Season Three going only to Tanchico and not the Aiel Waste - Good! Mat has no plot line of worth in book four except the Aelfinn/Eelfinn doors which can be relocated. He had no purpose to be traveling with Rand and gets better development and more entertaining plots when with the superior Wondergirls Adventures (it’s pure misogyny that ranks their plot lines below Rand’s. Combine his role with Julian and the previous and later Mat arcs. More bonding time with Thom.
The only real decently interesting Rand chapters are the Rhuidean flashbacks and those aren’t about him). The best plot threads in Book 4 are Nynaeve and Elayne’s adventures in Tanchico and Perrin’s group in the Two Rivers.
Rand saving Mat from his Odin cosplay shoot? No, there’s absolutely no reason that it has to be Rand there. Rand saving Mat from death is repeated with far greater thematic and visual impact in the showdown against Rahvin. There’s no Rand-Mat bonding scenes to miss out and Mat doesn’t linger on Rand’s role in the non fatal hanging, just that it happened and the other gifts he received from the foxes.
You know who should save Mat? Nynaeve
That would make sense from the show’s groundwork- it is payoff for how she failed to heal him from the dagger in season one and couldn’t save Rand in the finale of season two. It makes sense for Nynaeve’s character and the arcs established in the show.
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queenofmalkier · 2 years
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agardenandlibrary · 1 year
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The Shadow Rising: chapters 27-31
Now let’s jump to the Perrin and Faile Please Get it Together Show.
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They make it through the Ways to the Way Gate at Manetheran. The Ways are spooky, there are Trollocs, etc. When they get out, pursued by Machin Shin, Loial takes the door knob with him so that the Gate cannot be opened from inside the ways any more.
Perrin's like: "Cool. I shall now commune BRIEFLY with the wolves to get the lay of the land." [insert dial-up noise] So, there's no wolves around. Very uncanny valley. 
Perrin goes into the Dreaming to investigate and finds what I imagine to be an evil version of the lucky charms guy, don't ask me why, it's technically my brain but I just live in it, I don't understand it. 
Perrin chases him all the Way to The Tower of Ghenjei in the ?? north, I guess. The Tower is part of faerie, basically and Unseelie Eelfinn and the Seelie Aelfinn live there. Don't go there and don't trust them! Snakes and foxes. Etc. I’m sure that will all be relevant later but for now, who cares!
As I'm writing this, I'm wondering if Mr. Evil Lucky Charms is Padan Fain, who we later find out is chilling with the Children of the Light around the Two Rivers.
Anyway, Perrin runs into a strange lady in the Dreaming who tells him the vague stuff about the Tower then peaces out. Perrin returns to himself. I gotta respect a guy who sees glimpses of the huge, complicated world and goes: "hm. Anyway, what can I actually do anything about?”
They sneak into Emond’s Field and I like the revisiting of one's childhood as Perrin sees everything anew after more than a year away. They go to the Winespring Inn and get the info on what's been going on:
Trollocs, lots.
Whitecloaks, lots. Useful to have to help with #1, but with an annoying tendency to arrest people "suspected" of being Darkfriends.
Perrin's whole family is dead. 
He kinda tries to plow past this but Faile is like, "Stop. My dude. Let it out." Then hugs him while he cries, which I think is very... it's good. There's no way to correctly deal with someone losing their entire family, but her instincts for this moment are very good.
Perrin plans to stay, rescue the prisoners from the Whitecloaks, get rid of the Trollocs and then? Who knows.
Eguene's mother takes them to a hiding place, where it turns out there's some Aes Sedai already waiting: Verin and Alanna*, who claim to be in the area looking for girls who can channel.
*WoT show has primed me to love Alanna, even if Perrin and Egwene don't trust her. I'm predisposed anyway, thanks to Tamora Pierce and my niece. 
Brief sidebar to the Whitecloaks, who still suck and Padan Fain, who is having a totally normal one, yessiree.
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wot-tidbits · 2 years
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RJ’s notes Part 79 by Bain & Chiad
Note. The following text is manually written by listening as most of the notes were only read and not shown on the screen. There are going to be some mistakes from the original text because of it as English is not my native language. I would appreciate if someone can help me to fix the transcription.
FOR USE WITH AELFIN OR EELFIN (COLON) PIXIES/FAIRIES STEAL THE NOURISHMENT FROM HUMAN FOOD. IT STILL LOOKS RIGHT BUT YOU COULD SUPPOSEDLY STARVE TO DEATH WHILE EATING YOUR FILL.
The Aelfinn do not require any bargaining but questions touchning on the Shadow? or your own future? are exceedingly dangerous. What the Aelfinn take in return is emotion, a recording so to speak from the questioner as well as from others who fall into their hands in ways other than coming to ask questions. To the Aelfinn human emotions is like a drug while their answers are true if cryptic they will maintain a contact with anyone they deal with continuing to record their emotions. They can force someone who is their captive to relive memories so as to produce fresh emotions? Anyone who visits them is fitted with a “link” that also feeds emotion to the Aelfinn.
[Rhuidean, Eelfinn] What they get out of it is a recording of the asker’s memories including physical sensation which acts on them as human emotion does on the Aelfinn. Like the Aelfinn they also maintain contact with people with whom they have come into contact and so can continue to record memories from that point right up to the person’s death. They can force someone “relive” their memories again and again. Or can they?
The Eelfinn and Aelfinn sometimes work together especially with captives. For both the snakes and the foxes the repetition of one person’s emotions or memories eventually causes a dulling effect from them. Together however they can force variations in the emotional responses and the memories that are being relived. They must do it together since is the Eelfin who imbide memory who can alter the emotional responses though incrementally in the Aelfin who imbide emotion who can alter their living on memories again incrementally. In this way they can put the victim through variations of their memories with the result that the intensity of the experience and thus of the emotion and memory are heightened. Victims frequently can no longer tell which are true memories of events or their true emotional responses to certain things in their past. It can also damage certain abilities in people such as the ability to channel.
Rhuidean and Ogier stedding are among the few places that cannot be entered in Tel’aran’rhiod. THIS MAY HAVE CHANGED CONCERNING RHUIDEAN NOW THAT THE BARRIER HAS BEEN DESTROYED. RHUIDEAN IS THRIVING, GROWING. ALL CLANS EXCEPT THE SHAIDO HAVE PEOPLE THERE NOW. FIRST OGIER MAY BE BEGINNING TO REBUILD BY END OF FIRES [of Heaven].
Graendal herself is not one to go digging about hunting for things. Whatever she finds she wants to keep for herself and if any sharing is done it will be on her terms.
In the outline for A Memory of Light Egwene does not die, instead she is actually pregnant at the end of the books. And Egeanin does save her which she does in the books but in the outline that’s her end.
In the outline the Horn of Valere is actually retrieved by Mat, Olver and one of Perrin’s Asha’man from the White Tower. It is hidden in a secret panel in the White Tower and only Siuan and Verin know where it is.
Elayne fills the basements [of Caemlyn] with oil and sets them on fire.
Traditionally the Aiel sweat tents are men only and women only and to have co-ed sweat tent would be uncomfortable.
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highfantasy-soul · 1 year
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So I have THOUGHTS (not bad ones, just 'hmmm interesting') about Mat's story in the finale. Book spoilers be ahead!!
So I've seen a lot of discussion about the holes in Mat's memories and what that means for how the show is changing that aspect of the books up. So in the books, the dagger eats holes in Mat's brain and he can't remember a lot of his life - like, his real, this incarnation life. So when in Rhuidean, he goes through the second stone archway and asks for the holes in his memory to be filled and the delightful Eelfinn oblige.
HOWEVER! This is something I think people talking about the tea from episode 7 are mis-remembering: those memories the Eelfinn give Mat are canonically NOT of Mat's past lives!! The tea seemed much more akin to the flicker-verse in book 2 when they use the portal stone - but even that isn't a direct translation as the portal stone shows you alternative paths in THIS lifetime, not your past lives.
And coming back to the Eelfinn - Mat distinctly remembers being on BOTH sides of a battlefield at one point. So two memories taking place at the same time - ergo, these are not his own past life's memories. It's theorized in later books that maybe these are memories the Eelfinn or Aelfinn have taken from various visitors to their realms over the years that the person traded away for some benefit or another and they just slapped them into Mat's brain - focusing on the ones from great generals over the centuries.
He doesn't remember the entire life, just parts of them - he remembers random dances, battles, and subconsciously knows the Old Tongue now.
I can see him still going through the archways (I really do hope they keep that in the show, maybe just giving him his prophesies for the future from Tear and his ashandarei, hanging scar, and medallion in Rhuidean) and just leave out the memory bit.
It actually works a bit better for me the way the show might have done his battle memories: I read his scene with the Heroes of the Horn as him remembering our Mat from the books as they indicated at the end that he'd done enough to become bound to the horn if he so chose. It's been theorized who book Mat was a reincarnation of, though never confirmed (to my knowledge), one of the most popular theories I think being King Aemon, last king of Manetheren and I think that would totally fit: Mat's past lives are of generals who perhaps struggled against the Dark, but eventually all held to the Light.
Having the blowing of the Horn give you your past lives' memories makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe he only temporarily got them, though since he's tied to the horn and so couldn't be 'called forth' since he was already there, they decided to give him his memories like the rest of them have to aid in battle and then they'll dissipate with the Heroes. We shall see.
But yeah, totally loved Mat's Horn blowing moment though shame on me for not realizing what he was saying in the Old Tongue!!!! I thought it was just a generic battle cry like he does in the early books and not a single brain cell in my skull recognized the words he was saying even thought I say them to myself VERY FREQUENTLY and want them TATTOOED UPON MY BODY!!!! Seriously, I have no idea how I missed registering what he was shouting - though it did seem an odd place to say it as "it's time to toss the dice" isn't really a regular thing to shout in battle, you need a bit more of Mat's story to understand why he'd say that - but if we're going with the reading that show!Mat has just remembered book!Mat's life, it makes sense that he'd pull out his old battle cry. Anyways, done ranting about how frustrating it was that I missed the most iconic of iconic wot sayings the first time around.
show!Mat: I love you. I like this possible iteration of his battle memories. Good soup. I would like more, please.
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