#it's about so many witches like Lilith and Steve doing everything to get into Emperor's coven including sacrificing everything

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Toh is about idealistic dreams, learning that the real thing is far from perfect, and then learning to be ok with it by either finding beauty in the imperfections or letting it go.

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Hello, I'm here to ask about Lilith x Darius ship (love your art about them🥰 btw)

Right now I think the ship looks cool, but I want to get into it, y'know?

What was that made you ship them? How would you imagine their dynamic? How you imagine their relationship? Do you hc, that they knew each other from school or are they simply coworkers (omg, and they were coworkers👀)

Is there angst in their relationship? (the posibility of Lilith isolating herself from others, because of her guilt for the curse and Darius getting rejected by her) (there's also theory, that Darius is the father of that kid from Glandus School, so maybe Lilith wondering if that could have been her life with Darius if she hadn't cursed Eda)

3 songs to describe their relationship/dynamic?

Who is the one who pines and who's the one who is oblivious?

THEIR👏SHIP👏NAME👏

Lirius? Darilith? Dalilith? Larius? idk

This isn't question about Lilith x Darius, but what are your thoughts about these Lilith ships:

Lilith x "Shoulder pats for Steve" Steve (I find them cute and like the idea of Steve crushing on her)

Lilith x Alador

Ngl, I didn't expect anyone to like my ship but I'm not complaining because now, I can finally ramble about them here! You are a blessing anon, I love you ♥

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"What was that made you ship them?"

• Okay, I'm gonna be honest with you - I just saw their designs and thought they would be cute together. Then I got serious the more I drew them together and made this whole new timeline about how they would know each other and how their hypothetical relationship would be like. Both with season 1 AND season 2.

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"How would you imagine their dynamic?"

• Season 1 - Evil Power Couple.

I HC Lilith and Darius to have been well acquainted with each other back then so they must have been paired more than a few times to catch wild witches. With Darius' boastful flamboyance contrasting with Lilith's seriousness, they would have probably had a pretty interesting dynamic as they intimidate everyone else with their presence.

• Season 2 / In General - Awkward Childhood Friends to Lovers.

Again, I HC that maybe after Lilith's betrayal to the Emperor's Coven, the other heads would have probably deemed her as a turn cloak, which they did, and thus look down on her. But that wouldn't have stopped Darius from checking up on her once in a while, wherever she was. I imagine they would have met again in the town market and since Lilith is powerless and not wanted by the Emperor, they would strike up a conversation, albeit incredibly awkward due to the recent events.

• And then Darius' crush on Lilith would resurface despite him thinking he crushed those ever since she turned away from the Emperor.

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"How do you imagine their relationship? Do you hc, that they knew each other from school, or are they simply coworkers?"

• I HC them to be both! I HC that Lilith and Darius went to hexside together, that he and Eber were her friends outside from Eda and Raine and, after graduation, all three of them became the head of their respective covens, often going out on missions per Emperor Belos' orders until Lilith was tasked to get Eda, where she slowly distanced herself from them, too busy in her goal to make time for them.

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"Is there angst in their relationship?"

• Oh, most definitely. With everything Lilith is going through mentally, there's a lot of angst potential there.

• Lilith and her guilt would play a huge role in it, especially with how she copes with it and the curse. She wouldn't tell Darius, titan forbid he ever found out, how would he react? With that in her mind, along with many other things, she would distance herself from him, believing it would be best that he wouldn't get hurt as she begins to try and find a possible cure for the curse without alerting everyone else.

Meanwhile, Darius, who has no idea about what's going on would try and get her attention, offering to help, even if the other covens would deem her as a traitor. He is her friend, after all.

• As for the Darius being Gavin's father - I think Darius wouldn't even TELL Lilith he has a son. I think Lilith would find out on her own, through meeting him in the market or something and while Gavin starts boasting about his abomination skills, he accidentally slips in a comment about his father and Lilith would relate to him, seeing as she also wanted to get better at magic so she could impress her parents as well [Well, that's what I headcanon anyway]. 

After gaining a little of his trust through their similar experiences, Lilith would curiously ask who his father is, assuming he has to be a very important figure for Gavin to desperately want to impress.

"His name is Darius! Head of the Abomination Coven!"

"...Excuse me?"

Gavin starts explaining how his dad is Darius while Lilith just stares, completely flabbergasted.

• I also think, with how it's implied that Gavin's father pays little attention to him, that Lilith would be upset due to her own experience of being ignored. She would confront Darius over it and scold him for being so uninvolved in his son's life that he didn't even bother to tell her when they started dating.

"We have been together for a month and I only find out now that you have a son? Why didn't you tell me?"

"I wanted to! It's just, It wasn't important-"

"Your child wasn't important?"

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"3 songs to describe their relationship/dynamic?"

• Easily - Bruno Major

• Home - Bruno Major

• Fresh Roses - Juke Ross

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"Who is the one who pines and who's the one who is oblivious?"

• Darius pines, Lilith is oblivious.

• Lilith would have been too busy with her work in the Emperor's coven to even catch on with Darius' advances.

I HC that Darius had tried to make his feelings a little more obvious by sending her incredibly expensive gifts that he thought she might like but Lilith would always mistake it to be a gift from Steve, to his ire.

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"THEIR👏SHIP👏NAME👏"

• Honestly, I've been trying to settle on one but they never really stuck. However, each drawing of the ship is called "Dalith_Lirius" in my files so maybe Dalith would be the official ship name?

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"Lilith x "Shoulder pats for Steve" Steve"

• Cute! However, I wouldn't think Lilith would go for someone like Steve (no offense to the shippers). They would be good friends though since Lilith seems to tolerate him well and treats him better than Kikimora does.

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"Lilith x Alador"

• Once again, Cute! But not for me. Mainly cause Lilith would not like someone like Alador, who's on the messier side of things, not to mention very absent and in his world most of the time. I do HC them to be academic partners in Hexside, though they wouldn't have interacted as much because of Lilith being friends with Darius who, like in canon, doesn't get along with him.

[mochuelovelli]

Lilith for the character ask?

Oh boy, a controversial character! Gotta say, I stan James Charles /J

How do I feel about this character?:

On a real note, I do like Lilith as a character. When we first meet her, she's pompous and proud. Oozing with entitlement, she's easy to route against and you like to see her get worked up and "brought down" to Eda's level as the wild which so eloquently put it. Later on, but not too much later that it feels disingenuous, we really get to see her show that she cares for her sister. One might believe it is *Eda* being ridiculous, as far as the audience is aware, Lilith's offer holds little downsides. Eda would be cured and be afforded the luxuries of the upper class AND keep her magic. All she had to do was be the Emperor's soldier.

As to not get off track by talking about Eda, (im sure Lilith herself would loathe that lol) Lilith's reveal to have cursed her sister over a spot in the emperor's coven was...controversial to say the least. I don't think it's unpopular to voice that, yeah. It could've been communicated better to the audience since I saw plenty of commentators and regular fans themselves either thought Lilith cursing her sister was *needlessly* petty and not at all thought out (which yeah it kinda was).

From where I stand on that issue is, yeah, Lilith's whole reason to curse her sister could've been avoided by just talking to her sister and asking her to let her have this. BUT, I think a lot of people forget that the Emperor's coven would want to limit the number of powerful witches in their coven. Sure, Belos would want to be protected by a bunch of loyal soldiers, but he wouldn't want too much of the population to ever have a much power as him. So limiting the number of members in not just his coven but possible in the other major covens, would aid in controlling that population.

This might be pure hogwash but like, there are a ton of other "lesser" covens. So in my mind, it's more likely that the general population of witches gets sorted into one of the various miscellaneous. If you think limiting yourself to only practicing Illusion magic sucks, imagine only practicing whatever the fuck the "swag coven" does.

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Romantic Ships for this character?:

Hm, it's only s1 and we haven't seen her interact w/ many characters outside of her fam/Belos/actual children. I kinda jokingly ship here with Steve lol. Kikimora and her also have a funny dynamic but in all actuality, I don't ship her w/ anyone rn.

Non-Romantic Ships for this character?:

Her and Hooty lol. I mean Eda is an obvious answer but like, Hooty fucking with Lilith is too funny to not want to see. Her and King would be great too, probably get some good B plots out of it. It would be a good contrast since they both can be petty but in different ways and I think that would help flesh out their characters a bit more and maybe cause some introspection (at least on Lilith’s end lol)

Unpopular opinion about this character?:

Lol. I feel like she is such a divisive character in general that most opinions about her aren’t too out of the main stream. I guess a more meta take is that when she’s portrayed in fanworks, usually fanfic but not exclusively, very...one note lol. She’s usually a pretty flat, boring character in an attempt to highlight the contrast between her and Eda. She’s the straight-laced, “responsible” sibling who has a chip on her shoulder. In fanon, that equates to her characterization to either be like, completely and utterly apologetic to the point where it becomes unbelievable for any person to do. Her apologizing or making amends is usually quickly forgiven by Luz/and or Eda. Sure, Luz is very forgiving person naturally but like?? She’s wasn’t mad in canon too much about THEIR well being (almost getting impaled), she was specifically pissed about Lilith betraying Eda. 

So, if Lilith is a big part of your story (and it’s working in the realm of canon), then this should be a problem which doesn’t get resolved by just ONE big action. I also feel like her being on better terms with Eda would come BEFORE Luz since Eda’s main gripe with her would be about her being annoyed by Lilith’s controlling nature and the fact that she didn’t trust her enough to talk about her feelings back when she was first cursed (also her using Luz against her but I feel like that would probably be a hurdle that wouldn’t really be over come until Lilith in turn would be willing to sacrifice herself for Luz while also making an effort to care for Luz as a person not just see her as a “pet”). Hhhh this section is so long and its kinda bleeding over in the next question so-

Something I wish will happen or would have wanted to happen in canon?:

yall if you are still reading I am so sorry sksk

I want Lilith in general, not to be forgiven by either Luz or Eda. Eda probably early on stating about how she is unsure if she could EVER forgive her sister for what she has done. BUT, critically, Eda would see that Lilith is trying and she is willing to work with her (with a unhelpful dose of teasing) because at the end of the day she still loves her sister. For the relationship they had before everything with south, for knowing her side of the story even though she believes it doesn’t justify her actions. She understands and sympathizes, she’s grown a bit softer thanks to Luz, which is very funny since I want Luz to be the one who is the hardest to convince Lilith actually had a change of heart but more on that later. 

Before I move on to what I want her path towards forgiveness with Luz looks like, I want to bring up a parallel that I haven’t seen many people make. Fans always talk about the parallel between the Clawthornes and Luz/Amity, and rightly so because there is a lot to extrapolate there, but I think another interesting dynamic that might be interesting to see in s2 would be an episode that focuses on lost friendship/sisterhood with the Clawthornes and Amity and Willow. It’s kinda funny that Amity and Willow’s friendship was ruined because Willow was too “weak” while Eda was too “powerful”. In a potential episode, it can show the progression both Eda/Lilith and Willow/Amity are making in rekindling their relationship with each other. For Eda and Lilith this would be a lot more rough around the edges since it both be either the first or one of the first attempts at doing so while Willow/Amity would maybe be further along yet still have some major/minor hang ups with one another. With Willow/Amity, their relationship would either be rounding the bend of fully moving past the “idk how to feel about you stage” or it is stated outright that Willow forgives Amity, (and by forgive, I mean in the “we both know what you did, you’ve actually changed. we won’t have the same relationship that we once had but I’m okay with trying again”). In contrast, Lilith and Eda would reach a understanding and come up with some ground rules on how to handle each other (Eda’s main take away from this “episode” would be what I previously stated in the last question), ones that will be more like guidelines cuz its Eda lol. Also what separates the Clawthornes conflict from the Willow/Amity one (besides the obvious) is that the Clawthornes both know how the other works. Which buttons to push and all that so both of them are going to have to learn to resist doing that, at least a bit, in order to actually progress. 

ANYWAYS, I also want Luz to be the one to regard Lilith the coldest. Luz refusing to let Lilith teach her anything despite probably having more practical/book smarts knowledge on magic theory than Eda because she doesn’t trust her. If they are gonna use that masked dude as a spy, I want Luz to assume Lilith is somehow a coconspirator. This plot thread doesn’t have to be going at 100% the whole time, (in fact I would want it to be a temp thing maybe lasting a couple eps at most or like, just something that is hinted at but not dived deeply until the second half of the season). Really, Lilith has a hard time because Luz straight up doesn’t give her the opportunity to really express her regret/remorse. Lilith probably won’t at first give her a ton of reasons to forgive her as she usually attempts at coming back at Luz’s snide remarks with her own quippy comebacks. Sksk a really angsty end to an attempt could include Lilith saying something to Luz after going on a small talk with her (where yeah Lilith has improved but still needs noticeable work) that she “reminds her a lot of Eda” and Luz bites back with something like “Oh yeah? You going to curse me too? You want another person you can force to do what YOU want?”. 

Hell maybe “parental problems” could have Lilith poke at, either on purpose or accidentally, Luz’s feelings about going back to the human world and Camila. Lilith reminding her, maybe unknowingly, reminds her a lot of her mom and that causes her to blow up on her. Luz would hate that comparison, thinking about how similar her mom and Lilith are to one another. That because she still has such a strong dislike of Lilith, it bleeds over into how Luz views Camila and vice versa. In that, both Camila and Lilith value respect, an adherence to the rules, have a great sense of wisdom (arguably for Lilith lol /hj), and (eventually for Lilith once she gets to know Luz better) a genuine want for Luz to succeed and belief in her even though they are critical of her actions at times. Sure Eda reminds her of that more, motherly protective kind of love, in which she would do anything for her to be happy and healthy. Lilith can be the other side of that, the worry and slight doubt. That familiar way they each go about trying to understand and get close to Luz yet not quite getting it yet would still do whatever she’d ask for her sake. Luz at first would take Lilith being disappointed in her actions as an accomplishment. As they grow closer and the more Lilith reminds her of her mom, it becomes scary. The disappointment hurts and in an effort not to feel like that again and to not want to think about the comparison between Lilith and her mother she will snap back at her. Eventually Lilith would then have to change again and reassure her that she cares and by extent, her mother cares to. It is here Lilith is willing to let go of being so constantly controlling and learns to encourage first (or do some form of the compliment sandwich) and Luz comes to peace with her feelings about her mother and understands her position better. To be able to love herself even if she knows that she will always try to do her best. 

oh my fucking god you made it im so sorry i guess i had a lot of thoughts. fffffff