#jack and joker ep 11

[wanderlust-in-my-soul]

+Bonus

Pain, just pain

[tbhimnoteasyonmyself]

Oh~~ The Spaces Between Us~~

I had many thoughts watching ep.11 and absorbing how great it fucking was but one scene caught my attention.

This one right here:

I've noticed @almayver talking about the one between Tattoo and Jack but not the other one, the one between Save and Hope. I wanna address both.

1) The Space Between Tattoo and Jack

I think it's easier to notice in other shots but I like that it's subtle. Nothing draws attention to that space. It's easy to miss it. Or rather, miss its significance.

But when you see it through the shot I picked you can tell it's important.

See: everyone is right next to their love interest.

Hope is next to Save. Arun is next to Tattoo (they aren't a couple as far as we know but the romantic tension is kinda undeniable, we're all aware).

Hoi and Jack are the odd ones out. And it's important that they're paired together because they mirror each other.

Hoi's presumed love interest is Nang (even if I don't think they'll explore it much more than that one joke they made). He can't be next to her because she's not there. Alternatively, if you disagree with this, he just doesn't have one.

But that's okay. Hoi's at one of the ends of the half circle. Meaning, whoever isn't there is not missing. That person is just either out of frame (a.k.a not part of this scene) or not necessary for Hoi.

Jack on the other hand, has an empty space next to him. There should be someone there. But there isn't. There's a vacancy, someone's missing. Joke's missing.

And the themes of this group conversation circle a lot around that.

Hoi mentions how he misses Joke. Tattoo says they can't steal the ring back without Joke.

Jack and his pride never say the words but the scene shows it clear as water: Jack misses Joke too.

Of course, that's nothing we didn't already know, but I enjoy good framing and good spacial storytelling. I think we all do.

2) The Space Between Hope and Save

Fear not, HopeSave enthusiasts, I don't think this is about their relationship, they're far too crazy about each other to break up, you can calm down.

I do however think this is about Hope specifically. Why? Because no one fucking likes Hope.

Hope beat them mercilessly and with a smile on his face and, sure, he's right when he says they were all forced to do terrible things by Boss but Jack's the living proof there are choices no matter what. And you can be a better person even when you're forced to be terrible.

So this space? This space is the devide.

Notice, first of all, how the shape of the brick walls seems to create a wall of its own between Save and Hope. It's a clear devide between Hope and the rest of them.

Then, notice how everyone, even Jack and Tattoo who have Joke's empty space between them, seem, from the angle of that shot (which is the introductory one for this scene), to be touching.

They're all connected with each other, they're all a group.

Only Hope isn't touching anyone, only he doesn't belong there, never did. Which is ironic if you think he's always been from around there and Arun hasn't but, because of the choices they made, Arun fits in and Hope doesn't.

And the cherry on top? Hope is also at the end of the circle. And it's not because there's someone out of frame that just isn't there but rather because there isn't.

The only thing by his other side is his own shadow, which, by the way he seems to be the only one to have.

So it's safe to say: Hope doesn't have anyone else. Only Save.

Hope can talk all he wants about how they grew up with him saving Save from fights, but the truth is that, in reality, it's Save who's always saved him. Save is Hope's lifeline.

I guess that was all.

Cheers! <3

[miqvuu]

about the final episode.

we already know that boss will play a big part in the final, they will fight against him and people will get hurt – and that’s why I think it’s necessary for aran to be shown just as much. I honestly think they could dive into aran so much more in the last 2 episodes – it would go hand in hand with the fight against his own father. It would make so much sense for aran to be more important than ever before. because it’s side against side – he will have to face his father who is the cause of all of this. since he is a part of them now.

we’ve seen aran develop so much as a person. he is probably one of the characters with the most growth. he went from threatening them (after they stole his necklace) to living with them because he had nowhere else to go, becoming a part of their gang while helping them out with their mission, and then when he almost messed everything up – he felt so sorry and guilty. that he was the one who put their life’s in danger. (meanwhile the irony, that his own father is putting the lives of the people that he cares about, his new found family, his friends - that he puts all of them in danger). ever since he got involved with them he became more familiar with their circumstances, with their hardships, he could see and witness with his own eyes what his father was causing. It is doing something with him. you could see how it affected him already. everything around him crumbling down again. how could he not feel guilt or shame? how could he not partially blame himself for something what is his fathers doing. knowing it’s also on him ever since he got involved with them.

you could see how sad and upset he felt at the hospital. how his father was a part of the cause to have brought toi ting in the hospital, the cause of why Joke and Jack are drifting apart again. he is witnessing everything that’s happening alongside them.

so I really hope that for the last 2 episodes, he will be more present – that we can dive at least a bit more into his head, his thoughts, what he is feeling, what all of this is doing to him - the guilt and shame, wanting to put an stop to all of this. having to witness what his own father is causing. stopping him from harming any more people. how he is going to face him after everything that happened. he knows he isn’t able do much for them, that he can’t stop him. that he has no control over it. how would he when he didn’t give a shit about him, when it was so easy for him to continue to live without him? not even knowing what he is up to or where he even stays. I really wish that they will highlight aran and boss.

also – tattoo and his relationship progressed so much from the start, from not being able to comfort him at all, to him at least trying (not his best probably) but what he knew was that he wanted him to stop crying. the path they both went down until now is so insane to me. the fact that you can not only see aran gradually change, but also tattoo with him.

so now I think that the best way to approach their relationship and to move forward within would be that after everything that happened at the hospital, that we are able to see all this frustration bubbling up inside of him, that tattoo will notice it, how his guilt eats him away. him being the one that’s taking a step towards him, initiating and genuinely wanting to comfort him. Just like Aran did before with him. how he tried to comfort him. listening to what he had to say.

— this took a while to express and form into words, I still have a lot left to say and to share but I would love to hear about your thoughts and wishes on the final, as well as on the characters <3

please don’t hesitate to share 🤍

[anpanman95]

the dog scene was 3 minutes.

3 minutes.

[milkwaydreams]

I open social media to check if it's safe to watch Jack & Joker now and the first thing I see is:

"I just finished watching Jack & Joker EP 11 and all I can do is to cry..."

That's it... I'm gonna wait the last one so I watch 10, 11 and 12 all together... Let me stay in my first kiss good feeling a bit more 😃😃😃😃

[iambrownandbrownie]

if Jack doesn't get his shit together. Im stealing Joker from him.

[mintylix]

now how am I supposed to go about my week normally after that ep 12 preview

[moon0fairy]

I was ready for ep 11 to just be heart wrenching sad but those idiots (affectionate) managed to put enough comedic elements in between to make it enjoyable

[jasper-unofficial]

i will just leave this here as an offering for all the suffering homosexuals this episode

[ywxhny]

Head empty, just War’s emotional voice singing Hundred Ways OST, Joke in the background crying his heart out, saying goodbye to Ama, saying goodbye to the family he only just found, saying goodbye to the person he ever loved so much but can’t even say it to Jack, because Jack never wants to see him again. And who was Joke to deny the man who has been through a lot, has been through things that Joke somehow made happen?

I'm so sorry for what I've done, for only being able to do this much.

Even though I love you so much, I still make you sad,

Sorry for being this way.

A hundred ways I would do if you would forgive me.

I want you to know, I never intended to hurt vou.

Don't think of me anymore, from now on.

If life without me would be better than today,

I want to see you be the same as you were back then,

Living your life according to your dreams.

I will watch you from here.

And Jack? Jack probably feels regret. Betrayal. Hurt. The man he loves is gone. And he said such hurtful words. Asking him to not come back. We see a glimpse of Jack staring to the side, maybe the clothing rack, where once there was Jack & Joke side by side, now empty hangers & empty promises. And who can blame Jack?

The cards he’s been dealt with have been wrong from the very first. As we go back to the other OST, Why must it be you, and isn’t that the question every time they stare at each other at the crossroads? Their fate was doomed and they still don’t know how to fix it. They just haven’t had time. Time was just not on their side. And now they are apart again. Not knowing if they will ever come together again.

Joke’s apology is the only way he knew how. To disappear from Jack’s life. Maybe, for good.

To protect his loved ones.

To protect himself.

[fanfictionroxs]

Gay losers going to jail for 5 years seems to be a theme these days huh?

[wanderlust-in-my-soul]

Me after the episode:

The preview happens:

Also me:

I am a simple girl and the fact that Jack still thinks of Joke as his boyfriend just got all my rage silenced. In his heart Joke could never be anything else than his boyfriend.

[baekhyuns-purple-buttplug]

THIS IS NOT THE TYPE OF COLLAR I WANTED TO SEE JOKE IN

BUT MY MAN STILL PULLS IT OFF🙏🙏

BUT U CANT CANT GET SHIT IN HERE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

[hughungrybear]

Save really did say, "I don't care if y'all live or die. But Hope WILL LIVE", and that's just romantic.

Jack should fucking take a lesson. 😑

[negrowhat]

KICK ALL THEIR ASSES JACK! REVENGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

[movementsofmylife]

joke's "it's all my fault" is, like woah, even thinking about that line makes me so emotional.

and then it's followed later with "even if we forgive each other this time there'll still be problems if i'm the issue."

and i, am deeply and intensely familiar with the kind of life that shapes you to have no self worth and see literally every thing that goes wrong as your fault.

and the thing is, in this case, he probably shouldn't have gone off on his own and stolen this ring without thinking about the consequences. i don't think joke realized until it was all said and done that he's no longer operating alone, and that other people can be negatively impacted by his actions. this was something he should have learned in his initial fuck up w jack and the bank which lead him to have to give himself up. and that's part of why jack is mad.

it is him again, and it's the same thing and the same lack of forethought. i think it makes sense that jack got angry here. in a character sense there isn't much else he could have done. and i also think that he owes it to the life he was trying to build with joke and also to the fact that joke wasn't getting this ring for no reason but to help him, specifically, to stop and think about joke's perspective.

and i want to think that he has. with the line about "what would a thief do?" and "figure out things at home" and even just the fact that he was in red and blue during his scene in the bedroom.

jack is a poor kid whose trying to survive and build a better space for him and his community. joke is a rich kid who couldn't meet expectations and left his own community behind after they hurt him. they have entirely different ideas of agency and power and the consequences of failure.

jack knows intimately that one person's mistake can hurt an entire family and impact entire generations. he also knows his actions have weight and can save and help so many lives. joke grew up being told that every thing that went wrong was his fault and his alone. that he would personally bear the cost of his own actions and no one else.

the story has been about jack learning to receive help instead of just giving it and joke learning to stop trying to be a self sacrificial saviour figure. community doesn't flourish when all you have are martyrs. people need to be vulnerable and talk and help each other and most of all, keep living.

i want j&j to show us what it means to support your community, to be a part of it and know that as you flourish so does everyone around you. that you can't just have one or the other.