#joffrey velaryon

[toukacifer]

Hice esto pensando en Joffrey rencontrándose con Jace y Luke, y bueno, ahora estoy llorando 😭

[drakaripykiros130ac]

There is a constant idea flowing about that the Greens are entitled to take the throne in order to protect themselves.

First of all, they didn’t take the throne to protect themselves. They did it because they wanted power (Otto and Alicent Hightower, at least).

Secondly: What about the Blacks? Aren’t they entitled to the same thing?

Had the Greens taken the throne without any protest from the Blacks, do you imagine that they would have all lived in peace, happily ever after?

No. Rhaenyra’s family would have been assassinated one way or another.

1. Rhaenyra is the chosen heir, and direct kin to the Arryns, who also have a woman at the helm (Jeyne Arryn), not to mention that she has lords who had sworn fealty to her. It’s hard to imagine the Greens sleeping soundly knowing all the support that Rhaenyra could receive should she decide to change her mind one day.

2. Her husband, Daemon, is the most feared man in the Realm, with a special kind of hatred for Hightowers, who holds plenty of influence with the smallfolk, basically controls the City Watch, wields Dark Sister, is a seasoned warrior and possesses a unique dragon, Caraxes.

3. Their sons, Aegon and Viserys, would always pose a threat to the usurper, because of their pure Targaryen lineage. There would very well be lords arguing that Aegon the Younger is the rightful heir to the throne.

4. The Velaryons, as the greatest power in the Realm, commanding the largest fleets, would always remain closely tied to Daemon and Rhaenyra through the marriages between Jacaerys and Baela as well as Lucerys and Rhaena.

Either Jacaerys or Lucerys would have become the next Lord of Driftmark, which would certainly complicate matters. And with the constant rumors about the parentage of Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey, they would have been in most danger of losing their lives without any consequences following.

Rhaenyra has just as much right to protect her family.

Regardless of what you all imagine in your fanfics, the Blacks and the Greens would have never been able to live in peace. There is too much discord, and hatred between the two factions. It’s either one or the other.

And at the end of the Dance, only one family was left standing: the Blacks.

[giallo4ver]

Yes.

[thevelaryons]

The Velaryon Princes

Artwork by @lycheesodas (twt/ig)

[emptyportrait]

[daenerysies]

oh BABY

[dob-the-destroyer]

imagine your siblings all having beautiful valyrian names like rhaena and lucerys and your name is joffrey

[melrosing]

velaryons 🌊 I mean not really but

[banadraw]

Families

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[livinginmyhead23]

It’s kind of insane that the main father figure Joffrey had around was Daemon, that kid definitely bites😭

[fireandbloodsource]

JACAERYS & LUCERYS VELARYON

[yaerenart]

The Velaryon brothers

[thevelaryons]

Corlys and Rhaenyra introducing their Laenor's sons

Artist: Jota Saraiva (deviantart/instagram)

[bunnyshideawayy]

a rumored bastard and a proven, disinherited, legally illegitimate recognized bastard are not the same.

Rhaenyra’s sons are rumored bastards, i know the show has a lot of team green stans feeling bold but just as in the books, they are never legally considered bastards in the show either. they are speculated to be via their physical features and Laenor’s apparent sexuality, but since Laenor and the KING (btw Westeros is a absolute monarchy, meaning the king IS law) both claim all three boys as legitimate heirs, unless someone demands a medieval dna test, those kids are legally Laenor’s true sons.

this is apparently a very hard concept to understand for some, hell even Alicent in the show says something like “we can all tell” which fair point, but that is not proof enough. looks, accusations, and rumor are not the same as actual proof of adultery or bastardy.

someone i was having a “discussion” with used Joffrey as an example to point out a flaw in my logic, but ultimately proved my point. Joffrey was a rumored bastard. Ned himself had no more proof than Alicent does, just hair color and a hunch, so Joffrey was never legally disinherited from the line of succession. I hate to defend either of these men but King Robert never publicly disowned him and called him bastard, which is why Joffrey ascended to the Iron Throne. now the rumors did hurt, and caused huge political issues leading to the War of 5 Kings, which is exactly why Alicent and Team Green is so insistent that Rhaenyra’s children are illegitimate, they know they cannot legally or physically prove her children are bastards, especially when Laenor and the King are claiming them are true born, but they can spread the rumor and call into question Rhaenyra’s honesty and morality. think episode 8 when team green takes their chance with Vaemond to attempt a coup of sorts for the Driftmark Throne, why would the succession of Driftmark need to be settled if Rhaenyra’s sons are true born? why would Alicent / Otto need to make this decision in place of the sick king and mia lord of tides who both had already been stating Luke would inherit for years. it’s all apart of the scheme to tarnish Rhaenyra’s reputation as Vaemond has no other proof either, and promptly loses his head (both metaphorically and literally) by calling the recognized heir to the throne a whore and her children bastards with no proof in front of the whole court.

it is a political scheme on both sides, Alicent cannot prove anything, and Rhaenyra cannot disprove the rumors no matter how many times they are claimed as true born sons. Rhaenyra has to live in the comfort the law gives her, as legally her sons are seen as legitimate, and thus legally they are protected. and from an unbiased pov with both in universe and historical references, those kids might be bastards in actually but not legally.

Rhaenyra goes through hell to keep her children legally protected, not only for their sake but for hers because should the truth come out both her and Laenor would be seriously punished, i wouldn’t go as far as executed but that would depend on if Viserys was old and bed ridden or dead. which is why im making this incredibly long post repeating myself in every point. you can argue all day about Rhaenyra’s children and their parentage but i am making this to make it clear that her children are not *legally* bastards by Westeros law. in order for Jace, Luke, and Joffrey to be illegitimate bastards Laenor, Rhaenyra, Harwin, and/or Viserys would have to publicly acknowledge them as such and disinherit them. no, Laenor and Viserys dying do not magically make Rhaenyra’s children legal bastards either. they would, again, need to be claimed and proven as such and disinherited.

and at the end of it all, true or not true, the rumors made a lasting impact on the story. so much so this fandom is still debating this topic, and frankly i am dreading the season 2 release when all the bad takes and bad faith arguments start up again.

anyway other famous rumored bastards are in Targ history are:

Maegor

Daeron II

[daemonsdarksister]

Luke always felt safest holding his mother’s hand. 💔

[into-a-very-large-dog]

The sexiest thing Harwin said was at the end of the argument with his father, something like "I have my own idea of honor"

And you know what it is ???

His idea of honor is staying beside the woman he loves, no matter what, no matter the risks. It's raising and passing on his values and loving his kids even if they don't know that he is their father. It's loving Rhaenyra and their three boys silently. Harwin doesn't need any witness for his paternal love or good actions. He knows in his heart that staying with his family is honourable and no tradition, law or prejudice could convince him otherwise.

Crispin Coleslaw would never