#like again i want to make it clear that im not shitting on the Riven Poor headcanons

[floralovebot]

I think Riven was poor in the show... I think Riven hated Sky for being a prince too. They're fighting was because of that too. Are you saying that Riven did not hate Sky because he is a prince? Riven said a lot that he did not like Sky because he is rich and rich people are unfair. Please share your thoughts for me.

I'm pretty sure this is in response to this post? But let me know if not!

Anyway, Riven coming from a poor or even "middle class" background isn't canon, it's just a really good headcanon. I say it's a headcanon because when it comes up, it's always a vague implication that could also be about something else. Like his mother abandoning him could definitely have led to him growing up poor, but it's also not an exact confirmation. His mother leaving for money could mean they were poor, but it could also mean she just wanted More Money. Darcy saying he has "a darkness inside him" is likely about mental illness and trauma rather than him being poor and taking it out on the others (also anyone who uses this as an example just know i am beam blasting your house so hard). Riven calling out nepotism and classism could definitely be more personal but it could also be an example of his very high morality and moral judgment. (like riven is extremely intelligent and stands up for people in less fortunate situations a lot.)

Like,,, it's never directly stated that he's poor and the implications that people usually see could very easily be about something else. Kind of like the headcanon that Helia grew up at RF or comes from a military family; lots of good implications, but not canon. Or s1 implying that Flora could be a lesbian or wlw; lots of implications, but not canon. On the flip side, there are tons of things about Riven that are directly stated or directly implied (like his trust issues, issues with administration, his mental health issues, and even his mother leaving him). But Riven coming from a specifically poor background is something that's more often than not just an implication that could be implying something else. I'm not saying that implication isn't there at all, but it can definitely be read in other ways (for example, I've seen people headcanon that Riven comes from a noble family and hates classism because he's seen it up close). But regardless, Riven being poor is just an implication because it's not stated or shown in canon.

Also, I should note that my post wasn't about shitting on this headcanon. I like the idea that Riven comes from a poor background. It makes sense within canon, I do think it's implied (even some of the weaker implications are still fun to me), and I often use it in other headcanons and aus. But again, it's not Canon and his rivalry with Sky and the other specialists had a lot of components that aren't related to classism. My post was specifically about how the Sky vs Riven rivalry wasn't just about classism. Riven absolutely does not like royalty or the idea of different classes in general. However, his rivalry with Sky was never just about Sky being a prince.

Riven calls Sky out for having advantages over them, yes. Riven calls out the other characters for not knowing something, for being privileged, for nepotism, etc, yes. But his dislike of Sky specifically didn't stem from classism. Like I said in that post, classism was absolutely a factor but it wasn't the Biggest Factor.

Riven had a lot of internal issues in s1 and all of them played a factor in his rivalry with Sky. Sky being a prince was the icing on top. It really cemented everything that Riven thought of Sky before, but it was never the First Reason, the Big Reason, or the Only Reason. Riven didn't like the specialists because they were constantly undermining him, constantly insulting him (sometimes in a direct insulting way and sometimes in a "playful/joking" way), always assuming the worst of him, and never taking his side in literally anything. He also has extreme trust issues, felt like he would be better off alone, and used everything they said and did as a confirmation of why. Like s1 Riven had a really bad case of confirmation bias and was constantly looking for reasons to hate them (Sky being a prince was One of those reasons).

Like I said in that post, the Riven vs Sky rivalry had a lot of depth and both parties played into it. In canon, it was never just Poor Boy Hate Rich Boy. Sky being a prince and therefore having a lot of privilege was absolutely a factor in Riven's dislike of him, but it was never the only thing or the biggest reason. If Sky hadn't been the prince, Riven still would've hated him. Like,, that's important! Riven didn't hate Sky Just because he's a prince. He didn't trust Sky, hated that Sky looked down on him (regardless of their class standing), and hated that Sky "saw better in him". He hated that they were both extremely stubborn, irrational pricks who took it out on each other. He hated that Sky clearly didn't like, trust, or respect him.

And again, I really do think his relationships with the other royal and/or rich characters back this up. If Riven hated Sky simply for being a prince, that energy would've been directed toward Brandon first and it would also be directed toward Bloom, Stella, and Aisha. But it isn't. In fact, Riven often shows that he respects and likes Aisha! Even when he does call the other royal/rich characters out, it's never with animosity. It's usually in this, "yeah you're rich and dumb and privileged here I'll show you how it's done 🙄" kind of way. With Sky, it's more "i hate you i hate you i hate you i hate myself fuck off i hate you AND you're a prince god could you get any worse???". Yknow?

[fancyphoenix]

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU TALK BAD ABOUT THEIR COUPLES. GUYS EDITION. Part 1.

Helia.

Random dude: You suck..

Helia: Ok.*unbothered king*

Random dude: Flora sucks, and she’s a basic bitch.

Helia *red anger eyes*: Uhhm? You come into my house... Disrespect my life and soul...hOw dArE yOu? Flora is a work of art, a masterpiece that you dumb motherfucker will never be able to appreciate. Please evaluate your life choices, and don’t you ever dare to talk about her like that: Are we clear? 

Random dude.* leaves scared and crying like a baby*

Riven.

Another random dude: Yeah, that Musa girl is so hot. It sucks that she has that phsyco boyfriend. Because I would defently smash her.

*Riven behind him, staring with a calm face*

Riven: I see you chose deat this morning ChAd *getting ready to beat the shit out of him*

Another random dude: I didn’t me-mean..

Riven: You’re lucky that is me that heard this, and not Muse. *about to punch him*

Another random dude: I-i...

Riven: *knocks him out*: Well that was easy. Oh, fuck. 

Riven*touching him to see if he’s alive*: Mehh he’s alive. SeLFIE!

Riven *does the selfie*: Oh, Musa is going to love this!

Brandon.

Random karen*whispering loudly to another karen*: Yeah I asked princess Stella about Solaria history and she didn’t now it, not to be brattie, but my Gretchen is more smart than tha princess. And besides I don’t know how Radius deal with such a daugther, and that poor boy friend. My Gretchen deserves him.

Brandon *keeping his cool*: Hi, would you accompany me?

Random Karen*trying to touch his face*: Oh, sure.You’re so handsome.

Brandon:Yeah I know. But I’m going to ask you to leave the castle.

Random Karen: Excuse me?

Brandom: Yes, excuse you. You’re a disgusting human beign. And I don’t want a sad bitter woman insulting my girlfriend in her own castle. Who by the way, she’s dosen’t need to know the history because she makes history everyday saving everyone ass. And I don’t know your Gretchen, but I feel sorry for her, if she has to put up with your bullshit. Stella is ten time smarter than you, right now your wearing one of her dress colection, which by the way not even the dress can help you with that tucan nouse. And don’t you worry about the king and Stella, they have a perfectly good relationship. And the saddest part if you think I feel poor besides my golden girl, I can assure that she makes the happiest men ever. And I don’t give a shit who you’re, because if you say something about her one more time I will kill you with my own hands. Now leave.

*The Karen leaves quickly*

Brandon: Now, lets find another sandwich.

Timmy.

Random mean girl: Yeah, she’s like a computer. You can hear her bip, bip.

Random sidekick mean girl: Oh my gosh you’re so right, she’s such a nerd.

Random mean girl: Besides they she’s speaks it sounds like im talking to my phone. 

Random sidekick girl:Tecna is such a loser.

Timmy:* opening his computer with a side smile*

Timmy:*hacking everything of their computers*

Timmy:*posting embarasing photos of them*

Random sidekick girl: WhAt just happend?

Timmy: I think you guys got hacked.

Random mean girl:Fix it!

Timmy: I’m sorry i didn’t knew how i do it, it just clicked it self. I’m so sorry “NERDS”.

*leaving with a big smile*

Nabu.

Random racist piece of shit: Yeah, she one of the winx girls. I think they have her for petty. She’s hot, but don’t get me wrong. She sucks at misions. Princess Stella had to save her ass like two time’s the last mision I saw in tv.

Nabu*passing by but hearing everything*: Yeah, what a shame of women. I mean she’s like super badass in the mision right? I mean she can go trought water like nothing. Oh I forgot you hate her just because she’s black. Listen to me racicst motherfucker, educate yourself. And don’throw shit at my girl. Because the next time I hear this kind of comments, you will become literally a fucking rat.

* The racisct guy leaves but no before laughing an pretending he’s not scared*

*turning him into a rat anyways*

 Nabu:The sad part is that he already is a rat, poor dude.

Sky.

Random shithead: So yeah, I can believe that she’s the leader of the winx, she’s so self-involve. Like so annoying.

Sky:Who are you talking about?

Random shithead: No one.

Sky: Ok, bye.

Sky: * taking off his phone*

Sky: They’re not allowed to come near Erakleon ever again.