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Can we see more twin-timeline Sonic and Sally?

I'm not going to go into the specifics too much but here are some notes about their relationship.

Important to remember that these two are essentially the Prime! versions in regard to their past before being roboticized. However, we the readers don't know how long it was until they were roboticized since Nicole hadn't existed yet. So I'm putting their robotization and 'defeat' at ~16 yrs old, derobotization a year later (see image)

Their 'defeat' left Sally and Sonic was devastating injuries while robotizied, hence the prolonged effects after derobotizing

They've lost a lot of friends both during their initial defeat and progressively afterwards, I don't want to share who lived and who died to see it to the end (robotnik nuking the planet) but there'll be hints

Because of this^ they both feel like they really only have each other to confide in, leading to them developing a very co-dependent relationship where both are terrified of losing the other

They're both in this limbo of caring very deeply for the other, but not knowing how to define it as romantic or platonic. But those around them tend to interpret it as romantic, and so that narrative gets pushed onto them.

The twins were an accident, sonic and sally were pretty young as parents and felt extremely unprepared but still tried their best for the short amount of time they had together

I'm gonna be real I've flip-flopped the way I spell 'robotization' so many times now don't expect consistency from me lol

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Is your AU going to be a fic or comic or is it just going to remain as is?

I'd like it to remain a continuous mix of media. I'm having more fun experimenting with how loose I can be with the story and I'm worried I'll get burnt out if I try and dedicate it more to a fic or comic like I've done with other aus in the past.

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Hi, hello. I was scrolling through your art a little while ago and this idea hit me and now I have to do something with it, so please hear me out-

In your future AU, you incorporate your Super Sally design into the story. Like in the destroyed timeline the twins come from, and right before Robotnik claims total victory, Sally has her big last stand moment.

She's out of options and goes Super to buy Sonic or whoever more time. Or maybe its a last act or defiance where the twins are already safe and there is nothing more to lose. Either way she's a Freedom Fighter till the very end and goes out fighting. Going super is not something she can do easily but its the only chance she has.

You mentioned her Super Form being unstable and all that so paired with her partically roboticized body you could have this really cool image of this ethereal, super powerful Sally destroying all these robots or whatever but it clearly taxing her body. The roboticized limbs are falling apart, unable to manage the chaos energy. It feels like any second she'll flicker out.

Maybe you already have a plan for a moment like this and it wouldn't work, totally understandable, but I wanted to share it while it was fresh in my mind.

Your AU stuff is really cool and I really like the designs. Keep up the awesome work!

(Sorry, I know this is a lot)

Omg thank you so much! It means so much to me that other people are interested in my little au, even more that you're thinking of stuff I haven't yet!

As for the last stand against Robotnik, I'm still brainstorming some things out and will reveal more as I flesh out the twins' stories. The thing with Sally's prosthetics is that the majority of them are internal, a super form may be able to help with external injuries (temporarily replacing her legs), but it won't do much to help beyond that, even taxing her life force to keep the form sustained. So even if she succeeded with her goal, she wouldn't have lasted much longer.

But I will always take any opportunity to draw a super sally

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The stupid part of my brain asked what if Mario existed in his own universe in the mobius 37 years later AU.

Then I got sad.

One of two things I guess would happen.

Mario died a hero. Or he finally married peach and outlived her, leaving Mario alone to tend after the Mushroom Kingdom.

There is no canon opposition to the idea that they can live forever

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Maybe you are saving something like this for later but I thought I might as well take a chance and ask-

Can we get a rundown of your Mobius 37 Years Later AU?

I was going to save this for later and release some sketches with it but my tablet's on the fritz right now so I'll yap a little

Mobius 37 Years Later AU

tldr: Sonally kids who came from Robo-Robotnik's dimension, were taken to another dimension to keep him from finding out they survived and grew up in a dimension where its Robotnik was already defeated.

Sonic and Sally's childern from the alternative future, survives Robotnik's nuclear devastation of the planet via being put in stasis tubes. Since time travel machines are already a thing the freedom fighters have figured out by this point, the capsules are given coordinates to travel to another dimension where they can be safe. However, the attack damaged the capsules, leaving the childern stranded in stasis on a planet essentially devoid of life now.

Enter Prime!Sonic, who sometime after the events of #197 (being told by Zonic that the new Robotnik is there to stay in Prime!'s dimension), is contacted by Zonic to do "one last zone hopping favor." If you remember, he kept sending Prime! out on adventures (pre-Ian run) to save different zones since he has main character syndrome, and by this point Prime! is getting tired of dealing with everyone else's problems. Zonic brings him to the ruins of Robo-Robotnik's planet, and shows him the capsules where the kids were still being kept in stasis all this time. Zonic explains that he's breaking multiple rules right now since he stopped involving Prime! in saving other zones, but he couldn't stand by anymore and believed Prime! deserved an explanation on why he doesn't want to send Robotnik 2.0 back to this zone.

Zonic and Prime! make a deal where Prime! will continue to deal with Robotnik 2.0, accepting him as his "new" Robotnik, if Zonic is able to locate the destination AltFuture!Sonic and Sally had programmed the capsules to travel to. Zonic finds that in this dimension, Robotnik has been defeated, and has very little risk of him returning or at least would be the most prepared for if he did. Prime! travels with the two childern to this dimension and explains the situation to the Sonic and Sally residing there (dubbing them 37!Sonic and 37!Sally), and tells them that he will take care of the Robotnik who destroyed their home if they can help take the childern in as their own.

37!Sonic and Sally agree to take them in, 37!Sally already having parenting experience with her current child, who accepts the twins as her new siblings.

The twins grow up (were 3-5 years old when put into stasis) in an era of peace, only being told later in life that they were from a different dimension and that their parents were actually killed by Robotnik. The au essentially serves as a Next-Generation story, taking a similar approach with the Light Mobius arc where it's pressumed that this dimension had a very similar past with the Prime! dimension, with a few details changed here and there. Other notable characters in this au are Lara-su, the current guardian of the Master Emerald, various other new freedom fighters (not exactly the same ones seen in Light Mobius), older supporting cast such as Amy and Tails who serve as mentors, and Zonic who periodically checks in on the twins to see how they're faring.

The twins help (against the wishes of their parents) in fighting new threats and villains, all while slowing piecing together that they aren't from this world.

To understand who exactly these childern are and where they come from, please follow my sleep deprived ramblings below the cut

Essentially, it all focuses around these two carbon copies

Yep! And if you don't know who these are, they are Sally and Sonic's childern (unnamed, only the mobius x years later arcs actually named their kids) from an alternate universe set in the future after Robotnik has been defeated. Or, presumably defeated, since this universe is also the one that Robo-Robotnik (the one that replaces the original one in Prime!Sonic's universe #75) originates from, and has been secretely hiding in his spacecraft as an uploading A.I. for 20+ years.

^ from #22

Now, there is confusion on if this Robo-Robotnik is the same one seen in #19, who's Sonic was a half-roboticized cyborg and needed Prime!Sonic's help to defeat him. Ian Flynn has (can't find exact source rn) gone on record to say that these two Robo-Robotniks are different people, but it's explicitly stated here (#75);

That this Robo-Robotnik is the same person in both of the realities we've seen before. Meaning that the cyborg Sonic seen in #19, along with the other half-roboticized freedom fighters (who were "defeated", but that may not mean killed) are the same ones who are shown in the alternate future timeline.

Consensus: archie sonic writers probably wanted to merge the two alternative futures together for simplicity at the time, did it work? Who knows.

But for purposes of my au, these two Robo-Robotniks are the same. Which means that FutureKing!Sonic is the same as Cyborg!Sonic, and FutureQueen!Sally is the same one as Cyborg!Sally. But that's not all! These two are also the same ones from the Sonic in Your Face Special

^first image from the special, second image from #22

What's special about these guys? Well they're the ones who "made" Nicole! There's a time paradox here so don't think about it too hard.

But by gifting Nicole to Prime!Sally in the early archie run, Prime!Sally was able to essentially create a new timeline because of the upper hand she got from Nicole, making Prime!Sally and Future!Sally different people now.

To wrap it up, these are the same people

(#SiYF special, #22, #19)

(#19, #22, #SiYF)

Not the same people as FutureKing!Sonic and FutureQueen!Sally, this is Light Mobius, different alternate reality:

ONE MORE THING, that I haven't really seen being addressed, is if this future timeline shown to Prime!Sally via Source of All (#sonic super special 11):

...is the same future as seen in #22 and #SiYF. For the sake of my sanity and the fact that it is also set ~20 years in the future like #SiYF is, I'm saying yes. It's the same alternative future being shown.

Doesn't matter much in canon though since they're all dead 👍

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I love how you draw older Sally. You give off this excellent feeling of her never having stopped fighting. Be it against Robotnik/Eggman or fighting to restore liberty to her people, she's been doing this since she was a child. And thats taken an obvious strain on her. Yet there is still that spark of determination and unwillingness to give up that is so crucial to her character.

All in all, good stuff

This actually means so much to me thank you 😭

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Wishing you luck on getting that post to 300 notes! I do have a question about the fic though- will it tie into your AU at all?

Thx! I don't keep track of notes much, but this post in particular has been keeping a pretty steady stream of activity when I wasn't expecting it to (plus I haven't had an art post get to 300 before!).

And no, this fic would just be my own "rewrite" of the canon events of endgame. I do have a separate "canon divergence" au that I've posted bits of snippets here and there for, but I won't be incorporating that one either since I want to keep this fic a little short, and keeping that au would require a lot of lore dumping lol.

I haven't written a fanfic in a long time (I think maybe 2021?), and even then it was always for a different fandom. And the last time I wrote fiction in general was a little over a year ago. Gonna keep things slow so I don't get too ambitious.

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Gotta question

How would you rework the Source Of All stuff to better work with Sally?

Oh how I love these types of questions, thx for sending it in! More food for thought.

If I absolutely could, I would make it so the Source of All wouldn't have existed. Its only real purpose in the story was to kinda excuse Max's shitty parenting skills and to allow him to continue taking over Sally's narrative role. Then be a big magic gimmick later on with Mammoth Mogul that can very easily be replaced by chaos emeralds. In an ideal world Max would be pretty absent, haunting the narrative and being a driving force for Sally to avenge her family's and people's freedom.

If I kept the Source of All in a rewrite, I would make it so that this wasn't a power naturally gifted to the royal family, but one that was forcibly taken and channeled into the material artifacts (Sword and Crown of Acorns). I think this would be a much more interesting conflict for Sally to tackle, because while it would make sense to utilize such powers to deal with Robotnik she would also have to face the reality that she's also abusing a power that isn't hers to keep. I think she and Sonic would have similar viewpoints like how he only uses the emeralds in times of need and doesn't hoard them to himself.

(and also because my anti-monarchy views are bleeding in here and I want to represent how monarchies actually achieve power lol)

I would get rid of the unnecessary pool scene, keep it just with the artifacts and occasional visions.

As for Sally's connection, I would only keep it if Sally made a pact with the Source where she'll free it of its attachments to the artifacts if it helps her recover the Robians' free will. That way we still have that important plot point where Sally can free her people and look badass while doing so, but it's only for a short amount of time. The Source of All judges Sally to be a person worthy of wielding its power, helping save her life such as in issue #100 (plus maybe a cooler battle sequence where she has her equivalent of a super form 👀 c'mon it's the 100th issue make it exciting lol). But as Sally uses it more it starts to bond with her, influencing her decisions and making her want to use its full potential while losing herself slowly in the process.

I will say though, when I was first reading #111 (which had the perfect chance for a cool "super sally" fight scene! 😤) I was fully expecting Sally to use the sword to try and free the children of arachnis' minds first and then realize she can't help them. If I went with this route it would be interesting for the source to prompt sally to "help" the children by actually altering their minds to her desire. At this point Sally would realize the source was consuming too much of her and she was at risk of using its power the same way Robotnik took away her peoples' free will. She concludes her pact with the source of all and rennounces their bond. Plot continues with her giving away the sword to the children of arachnis and everything that follows resumes.

I might add on or tweak details, but ultimately I want the source to let Sally be a parallel to Robotnik for a brief amount of time, and to teach her a lesson about going down that path and losing herself to gaining power.

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☕️ Do you do any warmup sketches before drawing? (Do you have any to share?)

Depends on the vibes I'm feeling, many of my pieces start out as a small doodle or sketch where I was trying out something new but continued to spend more time on the piece.

Case in point^

I usually start out with a large canvas and fill it out with miscellaneous doodles and ideas until something sticks. I liked the Bunnie doodle in the right corner, so I expanded it to fit the whole canvas and added Antoine, then did some lighting practice. Occasionally, I'll just start a canvas with an idea already in mind, then make different versions of my idea until I land with one or a combination.

🐻 Your go-to things to draw when you need comfort?

Usually a favorite character of mine, simple sketches or sometimes more angsty drawings when I want to get some emotion off my chest

✨️ How often do you draw?

Pobably 2-4 hours a week if I'm not working on a larger finished piece, potentially double the time if I am

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unpopular archie stories i liked ummmm ive talked about my fav preflynn arcs before but tbh i liked sonic quest. i feel like we dont talk about sonic quest enough

I didn't know what Sonic Quest was until now, but now I wholeheartedly agree with you that arc was a banger

(it's on the the internet archive for people interested! Also known as the Death Egg Saga)

The artstyle is really expressive and dynamic, I wouldn't be surprised if they took inspiration from Sonic CD

Also first ever mecha/metal sonic appearance :) Excluding robot dopplegangers from the gag era. This one was Silver Sonic, he'll come back later in the comic but was inspired by Mecha (Robian) Sonic.

Most of the characterization here is done really well too! Tails gets a nice spotlight and showcases his intellect and skills with technology, which has mostly been reserved for Rotor and Sally so far.

Geoffery and Sonic have more typical hot-headed rivalry moments (also realizing that wow Geoffery really was this whole ass adult -at least mid 20s- picking fights with a 15 year old... and while pursuing Sally......) Anyways, part of the recap in the beginning mentions Robian Sonic which I am always a sucker for mentions of.

Sally does get the end of the short stick here, and it makes me realize that King Max's introduction into the comic was really the start of Sally's character decline as more focus was put on Max for being the one to lead the FF to victory rather than Sally (who's been doing alright so far). I understand why they would want Max back in the story for introducing more lore and conflict within the FF, but the whole idea that He has to be the leader and restore Mobius to what it was feels out of the blue.

Also, what an amazing detail that ended up sticking around to the comic's end 👀

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Oh my gosh, thank you so much for the positive responce! The artwork is awesome! And what you said in your responce got me thinking a bit more and I really like the idea of the super form managing to heal Sally's limbs while the inside of her body can't fully manage the super form. It makes for a great contrast as she is dying, while also she has regained her legs in her final moments. I could imagine the form feeling both amazing and terrible. Maybe she's running off of pure chaos-energy filled adrenaline and doesn't even notice. Either way I can't tell you how awesome it is to see that drawn by you (not to mention so quickly), thank you again.

I do have another question, would Sally and Sonic go out together or would one of them go out first? I ask because both feel fitting to me. On one hand everything you have said in your AU makes the two of them going out beside one another totally in character; while on the other Sally or Sonic being alone fighting a winningless battle would also sell the bleakness of the situation. Though then again there is something cool about Sonic and Sally's final battle being spent fighting for one another as one last spit in the face of Robotnik

I hope I captured your idea well enough in that doodle! Just kinda went ham with rendering her and trying to sell the "falling apart" feel to it. I'm always happy to bounce ideas back and forth!

It wouldn't be a permanent fix for her legs, more like the prosthetics couldn't handle the overload of chaos energy and is now replaced by a phantom-like copy that gives the appearance of her original body. Wouldn't matter much to Sally, she's pretty disconnected with any physical tethers to her body, it's all chaos-driven adrenaline at this point.

While the idea of a duo super couple greatly appeals to me, I will spoil one thing, Sonic goes out first before there can be this final stand-off, and there's a period of time before Sally follows as well. While Robotnik would usually leave Sonic for last, he already played that card and lost bc of it, not taking any chances this time around. Not that he underestimates Sally, but he's been preparing for this final stand for years without interruption.

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The contrast between the two timelines with Sonic and Sally is so good. Keep it up

Thank you!

I love flip flopping between happy next-gen story and actual dystopian nightmare land :)

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I think what that last ask was about was in relation to your Light Mobius AU. Iirc in the comics some of the characters had to wear armband thingies at all times to avoid being erased out of reality? Maybe they were asking if the characters in your AU had to wear them as well??

Ah, with that context it makes more sense. Thank you for helping clarify.

In response to the prior ask then, this au doesn't rely on the light mobius story or the backstory of it. There's no threat of being erased or whatnot since I don't truly intend for my story to be an actual au of the light mobius plot, but rather have taken a few details as inspiration to create my own version of a "next gen" au. The biggest details being in the name itself, "Mobius x years later," a shadally pairing, and having the basic premises of a typical next generation story. I feel like having M37YL being an au of light mobius would take away from the focus of the twins' timeline being involved, since light mobius already has a lot going on in its own story.

(edit: I forgot about lara su. I suppose she out of everything definitely ties M37YL to light mobius. However, I love her too much to restrict her just to the canon stories and will still be including her as part of the cast)

Within the setting, light mobius and M37YL can exist simultaneously as different future paths/zones, not needing to rely on the other to exist. Hope this helps clarify some things up to those interested.

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Wouldn't make more sense for the armbands to be implants or something of the sort to avoid them being taken off?

Either wrong inbox or idk what you're talking about