#pjo ep 4

[moonlit-typewriter]

Whoever cast Echidna as a PTA mom was so right for that

Mother of all monsters? Yeah, I’ll bet her kid is the absolute worst

and she knows it

It’s giving “how dare you accuse my child of such a thing. We do so much for this school and this is what we get?”

[counting-stars-gayly]

I’m going a little wild over the fact that Percy started feeling the effects of the chimera’s poison two minutes before he collapsed. I thought this part of the episode was weird when I first saw it because the camera focuses on him when it seemingly should be focusing on Annabeth, but then, I realized Percy’s odd behavior while he’s in focus.

He also turns abruptly, and a little late, to Annabeth, as if he just remembered to listen to her, as if he’d been distracted by something.

Then, this boy starts cracking jokes to cheer her up instead of saying, “Hey, something’s wrong; I could literally be dying.” And you can see on his face a few seconds before he collapses that the poison’s starting to really get to him, and still, he doesn’t attempt to get her attention and ask for help.

Then, when they’re at the fountain, he tells her and Grover that he’s feeling better even though he obviously isn’t, because he’s hoping he’s physically strong enough to pretend. (He falls on his ass.)

100% Percy just didn’t want to worry them and thought there was no way to find a cure in time anyway. I’M SCREAMINGG

[theravenkin]

so yeah i'm losing my entire mind about the pjo adaptation like everyone else, currently foaming at the mouth at the mouth after having finished episode 4. but what i haven't seen anyone talk about was how the show treated the museum in the arch, which i thought was an AWESOME move by the writers!!! they didn't have to acknowledge it, but they did!! the disagreement between annabeth and grover where she makes the excuse that "it's just what some humans /want/ it to be" while grover is sort of like, doesn't matter, it's still complicity with the crimes that are being celebrated here... the way aryan managed to look so DISGUSTED!! amazing!! and it also shows how annabeth tends to be on the side of lawfulness/status quo and usually isn't ready to examine whether or not that's the right thing, but also shows how as she continues to be challenged in that worldview, she opens up

also, how they brought in the whole centaur thing earlier in the episode--i did think that it was a metaphor for both the overhunting of buffalo and the ethnic cleansing of indigenous people, but i thought it was gonna be a one-off thing. but then they tied it back in with the museum and UGH i just think it's so good! such an awesome way to talk about environmental harm and colonialism in a way that a) makes a lot of sense with the story and will come back later in the series and b) is easier for younger kids to understand. rick and the other writers are killing it with the reinterpretations of myth and stuff and also with confronting very real, very complex issues in a fun kid's show. i love this show dude.

[ziorite]

the way ??? the way that the gods are just so willing to let these literal baby children die ??? i’m sorry but annabeth is supposed to be the most formidable demigod child alive, is the head counselor of the cabin at twelve years old, is literally already so intelligent capable brave everything that athena should value and her mother is just going to let her die?? over something she is only minimally at blame for ?? fuck that. percy is also so much more suspicious and cynical towards the gods and im in FULL SUPPORT. echidna had it right their whole lives are so unfair and the gods barely give their own children a chance :///

[poppy-bindery]

Can we appreciate the fact that Annabeth didn't blame Percy for Athena being displeased with her?

Amnabet could have taken the easy route and put the blame on him. Percy basically offers her to do so by stating that it was in fact HIM who sent Medusas head to the gods - he is WILLING and absolutely ready to take full ownership of their - or of his - action. And her is visible furious about the fact that Annabeth (and poor Grover who is just there for this bumpy ride) is getting punished by her mother for it.

But Annabeth is not having it and declares that she went along with it. I think for her it's the beginning of rethinking her kind of blind loyalty towards the gods and towards Athena especially. Instead Percy is doing exactly what he said, he is going to do: proof that he earns Annabeths trust.

Bonus: It's another reason to support Percys thesis that the gods are absolute failures as parents.

[helyeahmangocheese]

another thing that gets me really emotional about annabeth's adhd in the show is how she so often gets sucked into her own brain, thinking 6 steps ahead, or trying to follow her plan which she has yet to voice out loud, and then unintentionally is a little bit mean on the outside. like, she put percy under the impression that they couldn't be friends because of how she was treating him. she was literally just so in her own head that she didn't notice. she was cold on the bus and snappy on the satyr path because she was working with a lot more context and understanding of the mythical world than percy... which was probably too overwhelming in her own head to sort out and express out loud, too. she was snappy at grover at the arch because they were still trying to find sanctuary from echidna and she was their navigator to the temple. she became conscious of her attitude only after she could somewhat get out of the headspace of navigating. you can SEE on her face that she doesn't even fully understand these moments and that she doesn't mean any harm. you can tell that she was really hurt when percy made that comment about never being friends. if she could control it, things wouldn't be this way, and that's exactly how disorders work.

it's not just some superpower that she can think so quickly and critically--she also pays the price in other ways because this thinking is constant. the reality she experiences is then different from what's going on outside, and that can be so confusing and exhausting to manage. it's a toll on her, and so many of leah's little facial expressions make it easy to believe that annabeth's had her moments of "my brain is broken" too.

[rooscandraw]

im still thinking about this scene did you guys know loyalty is his fatal flaw. did you guys know about this. are you seeing this shit guys

[silvermoon424]

Gotta say, I REALLY loved the decision to turn Echidna- Mother of Monsters- into a stereotypical suburban mom

[starl1tt]

yall heard the music playing in the tunnel of love bro keep hephaestus off the aux 😭🙏

[happypeachsludgeflower]

I’m a little sad we didn’t get an ambiguous non explanation for how Percy fell into the Mississippi River from the St. Louis arch to preserve that gem of a plot hole

[counting-stars-gayly]

Book: "I don't know what my mom will do. I just know I'll fight next to you." "Why?" "Because you're my friend, Seaweed Brain."

Show: "You've done more for me in the past few days than my dad's done for me in my entire life. If I have to stick with someone, I—" "Careful. I think you were about to call me your friend."

[livingathousandlifetimes]

Not to start *that* conversation, but just something I noticed with this week's episode on the train when the security guy was accusing the golden trio about wrecking the room was how Percy--the good egg he is--was directly mouthing off to the security guy there wasn't anything wrong with his manner of speaking, but the MOMENT Annabeth speaks in a level tone asking if they're under arrest, he turns to her and says not to take that tone with him. All I can say is the more episodes come out, the more I wholeheartedly stan Leah Sava Jeffries as Annabeth

[jasongracefully]

I feel like as the show goes on, Percy is going to realize the gods are more nuanced and complex that he originally thought. like yes, obviously they still suck, but I think if Percy keeps the same kind of hatred for them he has now, it's going to be hard to see Luke as the villain. I'm hoping as we meet more gods (ares not included) we will see them occasionally do good, or at least passable, things. So I'm guessing he'll move to some kind of middle ground between his current perspective on the gods and annabeth's.

[krogerkryptid]

Watching the newest episode and Echidna waves her hand and makes a hole in the arch and my mum goes “I want to be her, wave my hand and whoosh hole in the ground” she’s crazy for that lmao she wants to be the mother of monsters and it fits her vibe a little too well 😭

[helyeahmangocheese]

annabeth's updated backstory in which fredrick does not immediately reject her as a gift from athena (whether this is a true perception or not) is so incredibly heartbreaking bc like. fuck. right. she's still just a kid. and if you put a kid through such a violently changing childhood, but if they sense love for just a second before it's taken away... yeah. yeah, they blame themselves. they believe love is earned and conditional and can, at any moment, be taken away or given back if they put ALL of the responsibility on themselves to do the "right thing."

but there isn't a right thing, is there? because love shouldn't be like that.

[lumenalumia]

opinions? pjo disney

"gods and demigods dynamic"

one thing I found made me 'fear' the gods as a reader was seeing the way Annabeth or Chiron or Grover would address gods. I am sort of missing the use of 'lord' to refer to the gods or 'sir'.

I love the dynamic of the trio but then when they are introduced to gods so far, Annabeth has sort of become the god resistant one rather than Percy - whose real character charm is that he isn't afraid, even when its stupid - and that makes him braver in a way? Does it make sense that I feel as though some of Percy's strengths are being showcased through the other characters more to create a different dynamic. Also, them not bowing to Percy sort of signalled to me that they wouldn't respect or fear him or have much of an opinion at all about his godly parent, which has always impacted and been part of Percy's fitting in at camp as he ages through the books.

I am looking for productive discourse and fan theories. Shows have different executions and so I suspected things that were plot relevant would be distributed across the episodes, like I am hoping happens in the case of ambrosia. In a TV Show, writers make decisions so that audiences usually 'world' 'plot' 'monster of the week' relevant info in the episodes that are closer to the climax or based around that information.

HATE WILL BE REPORTED. I hate that I even have to include this sentence.