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@thornstone8773​ replied to your post “Gai’s transformation scenes are so relaxing to watch. The way he takes...”

I thought you were talking about Amatsu Gai. ^^''

ASKJHSDAHKJD I knew this would happen and yet I omitted Gai Kurenai’s surname XD XD

To be very clear on my position with both Gais!!

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@thornstone8773 replied to your post “How about Umika and Aruto for the blog thing”

what kind of blogs naki, horobi and jin would have?

Here’s a whole other post for that (aka this is a long overdue reply I’ve had in the drafts for months)

Jin

their blog url

He’ll take pride in being the first person to snag kamen-rider-jin. If he can’t take the name, he’ll whine a bit but try to find something ‘equally cool’. Sometime later, he revamps his blog and goes with burning-falcon, because some things don’t change

the kind of posts they reblog

Birds. Plenty of birds

Art ranging from aesthetically pleasing to scaring you at 3am when you look at your phone because you can’t sleep

Posts from the blogs he follows

Freedom fighting posts that aren’t that deep. He rectifies this later on by reblogging posts with proper advice on how to escape an oppressive environment, and how to cope afterwards

the first person they followed

Horobi!

what kind of theme they’d have

He’ll labour over it for several hours and settle for the ones that are perfect for pictures. Some time later, he’ll go with the ones that are custom made and have plenty of graphics (he gets Horobi to help him)

what kind of text posts they make at 2am

He posts whatever’s on his mind - like the following exchanges:

Jin: I can’t sleep T-T Horobi, in the replies: Jin, you’re a Humagear. You don’t need sleep. Jin: Oh yeah, I don’t! ...but do you think I can? Horobi: ...try it. Jin, several hours later: Horobi, I pulled out a red wire and now everything’s going to bknl,.,,

Jin, posting a picture of a lobster: I wanted to do this to Vulcan Aruto: Give him a lobster? Jin: Oh wait, wrong picture. I meant lobotomy

Jin: What would happen if I drink a milkshake... Aruto, in the replies: JIN NO Jin: ZERO ONE YES

Or he could say something very ambiguous and then the whole of Tumblr try to figure it out. In reality, he went out and bought that milkshake. Also he tried to liberate a Humagear or two so later on, he’ll reblog it and go “I was kinda joking” and someone reblogs that addition with kinda written in huge letters

Horobi (We’re running with the assumption that he has no Ark buzzing like a mosquito in his head)

their blog url

Drumroll please - horobi

the kind of posts they reblog

Appreciation for historical Japan. Ranging from weapons to clothing, maybe even old movies

Whatever Jin posts

The posts that get 100 000+ notes which start off with a simple sentence, and it gets longer because OP added onto it until finally, they’ve shared a story that’s not unlike Horobi’s time with the Ark. Horobi tags this with #me.

the first person they followed

Jin

what kind of theme they’d have

The default one with one or two shades of purple

what kind of text posts they make at 2am

Updating his progress on a project because Jin asked him to do it

Telling his human comrades that he won’t have any mercy if they can’t get up tomorrow in one simple sentence. The green light on Aruto’s “active” status conspicuously disappears moments after Horobi posts this

Naki

their blog url

naki. Predictable

the kind of posts they reblog

Dumb puns. They know Fuwa follows them

Pictures of amusement parks and food, because their stint in Fuwa’s body left them fascinated with conventional human activities

Posts from fellow Humagears to support them. They have a specific tagging system for that

Wolf pictures

One of those “reblog if you’re against Gai Amatsu being ZAIA’s president” posts

Advice on how to accomplish dreams

Encouragement posts (i.e. it’s okay to take this amount of time to fulfill your goals. Not everyone follows the same trajectory)

the first person they followed

A hard toss between Fuwa, Delmo and Horobi

what kind of theme they’d have

Minimalist. Their bio reads “#not a tool” and that’s it

what kind of text posts they make at 2am

They’re more like experiments with how posting works

[Text] . [Tags] #I’ve observed that Jin likes to make commentary in his tags #and according to him it’s #very enjoyable #where is the #quotation marks

Maybe every now and then, it’s something like “please support [insert Humagear name] in their endeavors”

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Replies to (the tags of) my post “I think it’s implied that Horobi intends to watch over humanity’s...”

@firebirdsdaughter

We can just pretend Gai is locked in the basment making dogs. No one will miss him.

*nods, because no one buys Thouser merchandise except for him*

@thornstone8773

He slipped on a stair and broke his neck.

We went from 1 to a 1000 already, I like it

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@thornstone8773 replied to your post “For the Nakayama pic: they are CLEARLY trying to get their own...”

I don't think Jin was as independent as he thought.

That’s a possibility, with the human benefactor and tampered programming is always an option - but I personally like to think he’s independent. If he isn’t, that’s another round of implications Takahashi won’t deliver in a satisfying way. I’m open to the idea of a fic exploring Jin’s ‘delusion’ of being free, let alone writing it myself, but I’m so tired of all the fences we’re leaping for Zero One that turning the page upside down isn’t working anymore

I think the closest I’ll accept to Takahashi handling Jin’s supposedly fake freedom is that he’s easy to manipulate or he underwent simulations like Izu did (and they would probably be rigged, to say that he can never save Horobi in any universe). This sounds like I’m trying to deflect blame from Jin but really, I want to put together something cohesive for his behaviour throughout the second, third and fourth arcs. Not to mention that it’s weird for a guy to go from undergoing Singularity out of grief over his father’s death to doing that (aim for the waist, not the head...)

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@thornstone8773 replied to your post “Saw Saber episode 0 The main girl feels like W Akiko mixed with a...”

Where did you watch episode 0?

I watched it here

It has no subs though so my observations were based off the way it played off and my 30% understanding of Japanese ^^

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A compilation of Zero One related replies from around episode 42. These responses were super delayed because there’s the funk I had, and then there’s how I keep telling myself to post replies after finishing my thought posts - but I’m emotionally exhausted

@firebirdsdaughter replied to your post “Thinking about tomorrow's Zero One episode is enough to make me super...”

Horobi also very pointedly did not kill the two Daycare HumaGear even though they were very much associating w/ humans, and his whole thing this ep was not wanting to kill HumaGear just bc they were helping humans. He also has no need to kill Izu bc he can transform and she can't he can just walk away/push past her and she'd bump her arm at most. Midori's death was at least partially due to the Ark, she is clearly established to take issue w/ HumaGear associating w/ humans AND people promopting reactions from Horobi. Not to sound callous bc I liked Midori aside from some of the things they had her say, but I think part of what happened there was that she was… Just unlucky she wasn't Jin. If that makes sense. I think it was the strength of that connection that shook Horobi out of just blindly obeying etc. bc that's what he'd been condition to do since creation, by humans and then the Ark, and then the Ark enforces w/ torture. Sorry, professional Horobi fan showing. I just… Really don't trust Tkhshi to not derail him to show how 'evil' he is or whatever bs.

1) True 2) It was a given at the time that Horobi also executed Midori because of the Ark (since he’s very dependent on it + it keeps a tight rein on him) 3) Takahashi just can’t be trusted with villains tbh

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@thelightingcount replied to your post “You know the strangest thing about Zero One? We never do find the kind...”

those detail don't matter. Its the kind of thing they might explore in a movie or hyper video or something but kids aren't going to care about connections like that so why include it?

I think it’s one thing for children to not care for details because they focus on what’s presented to them as opposed to the implications, and another to not inform the audience what a character is like

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@firebirdsdaughter replied to your post “*rips off my badge and throws it on the floor and...”

I'd like to formerly add Horobi to the list of characters who got murdered here. This is fucking character derailment to the max, bc what the hell. This is just bloody shock value all over it, and now they're saying that the show is going to 'end completely differently from any other Rider series' and I'm just looking at what we have and… I don't see that going well for anyone. I'm sorry for jumping on this I'm just. Angry Horobi fan right now. Like. Why/how does Takahashi manage to do good things like potential MBJR.fam angst in the WORST POSSIBLE WAY. Horobi completelu 180s from last ep? Izu just stands there and lets herself die? Jin just stands there? Aruto willingly fuses w/ a homicidal satellite??? Like, they could have made this whole thing work as a tragedy of misunderstanding, or something where Horobi was aiming at a dehanshined Aruto but Izu jumps in the way and the Ark takes over when his guard is down out of grief and rage, and then next week something similar happens to Jin and Horobi so BOTH Horobi and Aruto are on the wapath. That could have worked???? In a way??? This is just… Wtf

My mind is running from this is all a dream and everyone dies theories to something like - everyone becoming Humagears. I don’t even know at this point

I imagine all the Horobi fans aren’t very pleased with how things are going tbh. I do have thoughts as to why Izu stood there and didn’t move, but I’ll have to post them at a later date. As for Jin - he could’ve gotten her out of the way. I guess he thought Horobi wouldn’t land the final shot? Or Izu would dodge it herself? Even so, it’s fishy. And Aruto becoming Ark One is another thing I need to post about later since it’s so long ><

Basically, this is episodes 15 to 16 all over again - where we could’ve had Jin say “you don’t know what it’s like [to lose family]” and Aruto answers “yes, I do” - but we got something else...

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@dnsakina replied to your post “*rips off my badge and throws it on the floor and...”

When I saw video clip, my mind stopped. What the hell if they put very zero one ending at least don't put aruto through it before few final episodes?!

If they had done this about ten episodes before the finale, I’d be more forgiving of this move. But the last four episodes? It’s going to be hard to pull this off successfully without either attaching a movie as the true ending or botching something up

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@firebirdsdaughter replied to your post “Guess I’m going to have to binge watch some other...”

Fuwa and Yua are just being generally done dirty every second they're shown putting up w/ Gai… Honestly, the people who fared the best in this ep were the ones who weren't focused on… -_- Good luck w/ detoxing, I'm probably going to try rewatching Go-Onger or something to do the same. DX

I might as well file in an application for ownership of the characters to save them from further trouble...

Hope your detoxing went well. Mine was a combination of enjoying Ultraman (as you could tell by my posts at the time) and feeling...well.

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@kanacaecilius replied to your post “I am seeing that alot of people are into Zero One's latest twist. Any...”

On one point, it IS in Auto's hand to end the Ark. He IS the only one that can stop it. This is probably a case of "your greatest enemy is yourself", in a sense that Aruto battles in himself the evil that lurks because of his grief. And if he manages to rise above his thoughts of revenge, he probably can beat the Ark :)

That’s true, and while I’m still confused about how things turned out, the only thing I have confidence in is Aruto’s status as the main character (meaning he won’t be permanently damaged, physically or mentally, and he still has some chance at defeating the Ark)

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@kanacaecilius replied to your post “It really sucks to be the kind of fan who liked three characters from...”

*gives you virtual hugs* The next few episodes will hurt a loooot for us, it seems

This is the future, last week I saw episode 43 and it hurt so much that I couldn’t even talk about it at length *sobs into my hands*

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@firebirdsdaughter replied to your post “It really sucks to be the kind of fan who liked three characters from...”

I’m in agony. I will say that Ultraman X is very wholesome and healing. Dekaranger too, imo.

Ultraman X was a nice little show, and Dekaranger is going well for the most part. But it’s like Sundays sap all the energy 25~48 episodes gave me ><

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@thornstone8773 replied to your photo “Imagine saying when will Sunagawa pose with his flowers and then...”

Was he crying?

Apparently he was, but I can’t remember where I read that

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@thornstone8773​ replied to your post “Zero-One AU where pre or post 6! Jin, post-25! Jin and RFG! Jin were...”

So, did Jin-1 and Jin-2 had to drag/pester Jin-3 to join their childish shenanigan or did Jin-3 willingly went along? Did Horobi manage to form a strong bond with Jin-3? Did Jin-3 love Horobi as much as Jin-1 and Jin-2?  How the three Jins viewed and treated each other?  Sorry for the questions. I got excited. ^^''

I’m excited that you liked how I wrote it XD

Jin 3 has the most patience out of the “siblings” thanks to his maturity + the development in his empathy, so he has a huge soft spot for the other two. He’d let them drag him around. But he’s responsible enough to draw the line at some shenanigans (one of which include a mixer and the Zero One Driver)

Horobi had to start from scratch when developing a relationship with Jin 3, and sometimes his awkwardness shows. He has no idea how to handle a “grown up child”, with or without his past life as a father-type. But he does begin trying after breaking away from the Ark. As for Jin 3, he sees Horobi’s (buried) good qualities, but he’d rather develop a relationship when Horobi sees him for who he is - and after Horobi becomes free of the Ark. He can’t stand being tied down to something that determines everything he is to think, feel and do. The same applies to the people he cares for

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I forgot I had this in my drafts ^^;

@thornstone8773 replied to your post “@firebirdsdaughter replied to your post “One of my big wishes is to...”

According to the interview, Sunagawa was informed about Horobi's status as Jin's father in episode 5, not from the beginning of the filming.

@firebirdsdaughter replied to your post “@firebirdsdaughter replied to your post “One of my big wishes is to...”

I think there's a general plan for the story at the start, then they write inividual eps some amount of time ahead, send the scripts to the actors, then film… So the Gawas would have known about the relationship maybe before the show started airing, but not before filming started.

The more I think about it, the more I feel like Horobi might the most manipulate-able of all MBJR… I mean a parent's dedication to their child can be danerous. My hope/theory is that it's something like he tried to create Jin pre-Ark, but humans found out and reacted badly, and he feared his son would never be accepted/would be killed, and then the Ark took advantage…

Basically, I love the idea of Horobi's original dream that made him get into this in the first place wasn't precisely about getting rid of humans, but about creating a world where Jin could live freely, and after a bad response from humans, the Ark took advantage of that desire to convince him the only way was to get rid of humans…

So basically that causes him to connect to her the first time, and then come twleve years later, her hold is so strong both he and his original purpose are hardly recogniseable (but it's still there, at his core he genuinely believes this is the only way Jin can be accepted).

[In regards to the Gawas knowing about the father-son relationship] I see....

I’ve also been thinking Horobi is the easiest to manipulate/put on a leash for the Ark - so I’m all in for the theory that he made Jin pre-manipulation. We still haven’t explored Horobi’s “side of the story”, and there has been far too little content about him for me to be satisfied with :(

But if this theory were the case, an act like that does fall into the category of a “Singularitied” Humagear (apparently that’s a word now). Then again, it’s been shown countless times the Ark has overwritten the programming/data of Humagears who’ve experienced Singularity...

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@thornstone8773 replied to your post “How would Aruto and co. reacted when they found...”

Canon. ^^“ I was curious about your speculation.

I was writing the answer to this as an addition to the original post - but then I saved my answer wrong when copying and pasting it. AGH. So this might be missing some things and kind of goes off topic. Gosh, I haven’t rambled like this for a while...

At least one person’s going to say it’s impossible for Humagears and humans to have that kind of relationship. That’s what usually happens in fictional situations like this (because adoption is forgotten about)

I would vouch for Izu, but that depends on whether or not canon remembers her first Singularity/awakening occurred because of Wazu, her older brother. And if they remember...it’ll be too callous for her to say that. Jin may have forgiven(?) Izu for that remark, but we’re not pulling another episode 15 stunt where Izu cough gets an idiot ball thrown at her cough. She may be tactless at times but she isn’t dumb

My second guess would be Fuwa or Yua - mostly because they’re thinking about biological implications. Unless we’re saying a Humagear making another Humagear is a kind of reproduction

And if Izu doesn’t do the above line, then I think this is the perfect time to start a bond between herself and Jin/Horobi. She can also understand the feeling of losing someone she was ‘related’ to (quotation marks because once again, biological implications), and she needs bonds with characters that aren’t Aruto anyway. I do love the Aruto-Izu bond but we need other forms of bonding, you know

Aruto’s reaction would be the most significant, and not just because he’s the main character. He knew Horobi was a father-type, but he didn’t know he had a son while being affiliated with metsuboujinrai.net, so that’s going to add some internal turmoil for him. It seems that Aruto believes a good upbringing makes a good person, and a bad upbringing can make a bad person. It’s true to some extent, but it doesn’t hold any nuance. I could, however, make the argument that most people don’t think about personal connections when it comes to people that terrorized Japan and hurt countless people/Humagears in the past. They look at the consequences. They don’t think about the cause (most of the time). And Aruto seems to have a case of taking things at face value

Anyways, this would be a good way for Aruto to learn a loving relationship isn’t the gateway to shape a good person, and that having an upbringing filled with violence and negativity doesn’t determine someone is definitely a bad person. Jin has changed (albeit it’s still ambiguous). Horobi may change (I have hopes thanks to the OP. Fragile evidence, yes, but gosh darn it if this series ends with Horobi as a purely bad guy)

This should probably take course over two episodes at least, before accumulating in Aruto’s decision to help Jin free Horobi from the Ark to give him a choice. He doesn’t want to deny someone of their family as he was, two times over (and perhaps a third with Korenosuke)

Or perhaps Aruto does have nuance in his views but Takahashi neglects to fill that in. Episode 31 did have this contradiction between Aruto saying he wanted Humagears to choose what they wanted to be, and then saying the usual “[insert Humagear] is [insert human]’s partner!” There’s also his rather amicable attitude towards Jin after his revival. It does fit in with his good-hearted personality, but it doesn’t match up to what he’s said

Come to think of it, if Aruto thinks of self-sacrifice as the ultimate form of a familial bond (I’ll have to rewatch parts to make sure) and if he knows Horobi protected Jin and about Horobi’s intended purpose and Jin’s different design...how hasn’t he put two and two together?

Actually, why has no one discussed Jin’s design? Even before his first death, he clearly had earpieces no other Humagear has in the series. But it took ears for people to talk about it in series, and that didn’t last for long

Or that could just be the producers freeing Nakagawa’s ears because his hair couldn’t stay a mess and under a hoodie forever should I ask Horobi about this

I’ll have to blame Takahashi on that one in what firebirdsdaughter has named his “broad stroke style”. We’re not getting filled in on the tibits

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@thornstone8773 replied to your post “Aruto: This is no time for ice cream! Aruto, pointing at Gai: I...”

This is not the time for ice cream, this is the time for Amatsu to get creamed.

The Aruto ja nai to! gags are retired, I just got defeated by a one-liner

Aruto: *gets a bag of nuts and starts going nuts*

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@thornstone8773 replied to your post “Hope you don't mind me asking: in the AU where Horobi create Jin to...”

Chibi!JIn reminded me of my nephew. XD At this rate, he was going to reach Singularity out of frustration for being treated like a child. Did he ever get mad at Horobi for making him with such impractical body? How Fuwa and Yaiba reacted to Chibi!Jin? Was Jin still a chibi after returning from the death?

I feel like that’s a cute comparison ^-^

(This AU will go a different direction from current canon - maybe - because it’s always fun to see what makes a canon divergence AU stand out from the other)

It’d make sense for Jin to develop a Singularity due to having a child’s body while everyone else in Humagear society is born an adult...I think he would’ve gotten mad a couple of times, given his mental age is literally a five year old’s, and resulted in him running away once. Which leads to the first instance of Horobi teaming up with Aruto and co. because he spent a day searching for Jin with no luck + Jin managed to get rid of the tracking system

Fuwa would have a straight up instance of “...what am I looking at.” Not sure for Yua and her stance on children, but I think she’s unexpectedly tender with child Jin even if she doesn’t dote on him and still thinks of him as a potential threat. She becomes Jin’s favourite because 1) someone who takes him seriously! and 2) before she found out he was a metsuboujinrai.net member, she helped Jin with a temporary purple scorpion tattoo he wanted on his cheek

I’m not sure if I’d have Jin die in this AU, despite a previous post discussing the reactions the others would have to it...but this could go both ways. Jin might get a new body in an attempt to show he’s grown up a lot, or he keeps his original form since Horobi is the one who made him and he’d never change that

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@thornstone8773 replied to your “@thornstone8773 replied to your post “Aruto can’t...”

Do you have a link to a punny site?

I was actually relying on myself to come up with puns...but I lost too many brain cells so I searched up a list of homonyms. Just find two words you can string into a bad pun and you’re ready to go :)

Example - “vain” and “vein”

Hopefully these gags won’t be done in vain because I busted a vein

If anyone asks, you last saw me tying a concrete block to myself and diving into the ocean to spare my brain and everyone the bad puns

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@thornstone8773 replied to your post “Aruto can't seem to hold back from making dumb puns, no matter the...”

How did you do it? I wanted to make a pun no matter ho cringy, but I was not able to. :(

Watching the Zero One OP on loop to see if the lyrics can make any good fic titles, and seeing the “realize” and “REALXEYEZ” pun

Resigning myself to the fact that if I’m going to write Zero One fics about Aruto, then I’ll need to write bad puns, so I actively look for them

I grew up with a dad who made bad puns, so I guess I have a bit of experience (i.e. my first and obviously awful Aruto gag - “a tofu master is good at fighting because he knows toe-fu”)

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@thornstone8773 replied to your post “@thornstone8773​ replied to your post “Zero-One AU where pre or post...”

What would those three do to show how much they loved Horobi?

Jin 1 is the most liberal with his affection. Hugs, clinging to his side, you name it, he has likely done it

Jin 2 is at the stage where he likes slinging an arm around Horobi’s shoulders but also tries to be standoffish as a teenager would. Anyone who tries to hurt Horobi will get a Gigar sicced on them

One has to pay attention to how Jin 3′s actions and words can contradict with each other (i.e. he says he doesn’t mind never being close with Horobi, but his face is tense). He’s gentle with Horobi, especially as the latter inches closer to a Singularity

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More replies for this specific post: “Say, if the writers decide to actually give the...”

@firebirdsdaughter replied

I don’t know if you’ve ever heard the song Still Alive from Portal, but that’s the kind of tone I would love for the Ark end on, honestly… ‘Okay, I’m gonna stop trying to murder you, but I’ll be around forever, and I’ll watching, just in case’

I’ve never heard of the song before, but it does sound like the kind of thing the Ark (and perhaps Horobi) would do! It’d be funny if a hundred years pass and the Ark is still watching, almost like some resigned yet fond grandparent, who will lose their cool if one of their “pieces of evidence [for humanity going extinct]” gets hurt in some manner

@thornstone8773​ At the very least, both the Ark and Horobi seem to be operating off the same data set that Gai uploaded into the ark… I think Horobi was either hacked by the Ark in the first place, or he was somehow connected to it in the first place, and was drawing conclusions based on its data/was possibly designed to be directed by its conclusions in the first place, so when it decided humans had to die, that became his directive. If that makes any sense. @thornstone8773​ Alternatively, Horobi had a negative experience of his own w/ humans, and happened to ‘learn’ the same thing as the Ark, so it 'recruited’ him. Or maybe it didn’t so much 'hack’ as just 'reprogram’ him? Wow. I’m gonna stop taking over the notes now. ^^;

As for me, I would like to draw on how Magia are able to hack Humagears who aren’t necessarily self-aware to show that it’s possible for Horobi to go on the will of the Ark without having undergone a Singularity at some point. That, or as @/firebirdsdaughter said, he was hooked up to the Ark and got fed its conclusions and data

@thornstone8773 replied

@iris-14cheonsa I thought one needed to be near Singularity in order to be hacked.

My answer is in the above, but I would like to add on that perhaps the Ark can and will hack Humagears without Singularity, yet chooses the ones who do undergo it - either because it creates a stronger motive in its soldiers, or something about Singularity!Humagears is just fundamentally more powerful

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@firebirdsdaughter replied to your post “A second rise of metsuboujinrai.net could happen… This means I want...”

Have you seen the trailer for the Project Thouser thing? Gai's face unfortunately appears, but it also raises some intriguing questions about Naki and MBJR… Literally never thought they'd make me interested in something w/ that title, and yet… GenmCorp Subbed it: https://twitter.com/GenmCorp/status/1233948900102291456

Just watched it now and it’s definitely intriguing! I hope Naki gets a chunk load of screen time, even if it’s a Gai origin story

@thornstone8773 replied to your post “SSKR Ramble #209: Spill fest about Humagears + usage of familial terms”

I think, the reason why Metsuboujinrai.net waited for Korenosuke's death before starting their operation was because, as the creator of humagears, he could easily find countermeasure to suppress them. Or Amatsu still had some respect for Korenosuke and he did not want to see his mentor looking at him with eyes full of disappointment.

I thought Zero One was the countermeasure though? And if Korenosuke was able to stop anything they pulled off, then wouldn’t it make sense for him to leave behind some strategies for Aruto to use? It kind of makes him suspicious...

As for Gai, it could be possible...