#remember11 spoilers

[wildmike48]

Happy pride to Suzukage Hotori from Remember11 who may not technically be canonically sapphic but I mean look at her likes and hobbies

You deserved better girlie I'm sure there's some timeline where you and Kokoro became gfs

[samuraiwithachicken]

What was that ending??

Is this one of those games where you have to do all the bad endings to understand the whole story?

[mimzy630]

Spoilers + Old Commissions

I'll be uploading a bunch of old commissions onto my Tumblr so non-Twitterites can enjoy them slowly into my queue :). You probably want to mute #remember11 for spoilers for Remember11, #gravity falls spoilers for Gravity Falls, and if you haven't already, #aitsf for spoilers for AI: THE SOMNIUM FILES and nirvanA Initiative.

[misshallery]

i finished it a few weeks ago now but i wanted to post my thoughts upon finishing remember11 here as well.. in case there are ppl interested in how someone playing it for the first time might feel <3 a few spoilers for zero escape/aitsf series as well where i draw comparisons between them

its crazy frustrating having a game so strong end like.. that

the game feels very unfinished in a way. i was hit with a sense of 'is that it?' upon getting the final scene. having to read the 'tips' to find essential answers reminded me of zero time dilemma in a bad way- both games attempt to explain things via secret files, but actually end up making me ask more questions. the files may explain that satoru is not satoru and hotori is not hotori and why, but not what the characters will do with this last-minute information.

regardless, i liked that it let you figure some things out on your own without spelling it all out. the realisation of the twins' involvement that only really hit me when i opened the tip (i previously thought kali might be responsible) was a cool moment, even if i took issue with that part of the plot (is is pseudoscience to believe a newborn baby in charge of an adult body would immediately jump to murder?)

speaking of which, the plot frequently hinges on inaccurate, dated, and fantastical depictions of various mental illnesses. that alone makes it difficult to recommend or make the game 'perfect' in my eyes. 'murderer with DID' is a dreadful and damaging trope.

i'm glad uchikoshi kind of ditched the idea of trying to bring in the 'you, the player' character from this game and ever17, even if he tried to bring it back in aini. it feels strange, detaches us from the character we're trying to grow a fondness for by saying it's just us controlling him, and here, it didn't really occur to me until i read supplementary materials.

obligatory other uchi game parallels: i'd like to point out how he probably REALLY wanted to elaborate on the idea of the player character being the unknowing mastermind that never really comes to fruition here, given that is exactly what we get in virtue's last reward. kokoro's attraction to satoru in the cringiest way possible via their 'partnership' reminds me of junpei and akane's relationship being forged under similiar circumstances (kokoro and akane would be best friends FOREVER)

ultimately, the atmosphere was amazing and the pacing was really strong (much better that e17 even if i wanted to scream at kokoron to write something in the damn notebook and communicate, she gets away with it by being silly). the plot twists were mostly well executed til they all got clumped up at the end, and it played with a lot of super interesting concepts even if they didn't all get resolved to their full potential. 👍

[shewasanamericangirl]

so im finally playing ai: the somnium files and im on what im pretty sure is iris’s route and i have an important theory about The Date Enigma that i just want to put here now for later...(spoilers of course)

date and #89 switched bodies didn’t they? a la remember11, probably as a result of fucking up a psync or something.

pewter claims #89 is the first cyclops killer, but iris remembers the killer looking like date. meanwhile, date has faint memories of iris that should belong to #89.

both date and #89 have missing memories, too, and even forgot their own names at some point.

whatever the truth of this is, boss knows it, and probably pewter too.

also, this route appears to be an example of “folie a deux” phenomenon uchikoshi mentioned being interested in--it seems naixatloz, as well as parallel worlds, are all part of iris and date’s delusions.

[flame-ettard]

Anima

[morphogenetic]

oh also i already kinda have a title theory for what the hell never7/ever17/remember11 mean as titles. def spoilers for the first, idk about the others

so never7 is ‘the end of infinity’, and the whole point is that it’s a time loop that that lasts like 6 days, so they never get to the 7th day. presumably they...get out of the time loop, hence the end of infinity bit

and then i already know ever17 happens in 2017, so i’m presuming that theres a similar time loop thing going on where it’s somehow 2017 forever? not sure on that but it kinda makes sense. (out of infinity meaning the same thing, with the time loop shenanigans)

remember11 i have...substantially less idea about on either front.

[systemrestart]

Okay, so the last ending I got was NOT the "real" ending for Satoru's route, thank god. Don't know why it had to have a credit sequence, though. 

...as to why, I'll explain later, since it has to do with the very very last line. First, a summary:

As shown in Kokoro's ending, Kokoro, 2012-Yuni, and Lin all leave the circle to find a beach--Aogi...Aogis...the island the facility is on. Events from there continue to happen as before, but in this end, it continues from where Kokoro's left off.

All four of them are outside the circle for another transfer, and the SPHIA circle appears, which they enter. 2012-Yuni and Lin stay just within the walls, as Satoru and Kokoro rush inside. Satoru goes to the surveilence room and through video camera discovers that Kali, 2011-Yuni, and "Hotori" all left the SPHIA circle in pursuit of him, and are now all trapped on the Mountain. He explains the situation, and determines that the newspaper had never been talking about Kokoro and Lin at all; the female corpse found, that had been assumed to be Kokoro and Lin, were actually Kali and "Hotori", and the Yuni rescued was the 2011-Yuni, that had been staying at SPHIA until that point.

From there they rushed to try and stop them from dying (a transfer back to the mountain happened just in time...hmm), running into the snow, headed east. By some miracle, the two groups ran into each other mere seconds before the avalanche occurred. Satoru screamed at them to run, and the avalanche swallowed them.

Everyone...lived. Digging each other out of the snow. 

The group, together went back inside the SPHIA circle, except for 2011-Yuni who suddenly rushed back out just as a transfer happened. To fulfill the "Yuni was discovered alive in 2011" part of history, maybe. Only 2012-Yuni knows.

So, after this, everyone settles down a bit, talking and reconciling. Yomogi and Kali's twin babies were delivered to the island for her to meet, and everyone hung out and played on the beach.

Satoru interrogated 2012-Yuni, and Yuni gave some vague answers. He said that he didn't speak up before because he "didn't want to change history". Then tried to write off the newspaper as "maybe it was fabricated?" because what was said in it didn't come true. He was very touchy about other answers, or said "shouldn't you be able to figure that out?"

It was after this that things went to hell, in two scenes; one through Kokoro's eyes, and one through Satoru's eyes.

Kokoro talked to Satoru about "Hotori", and he told her about the real Hotori, whose body he found in the mountains and his theory about her being in Inubushi Keiko's body, with the consciousness of Inubushi Keiko having died with the body on the mountain. He then mentioned the extreme difference in behaviour between the "Hotori" that Kokoro knew, and the "Hotori" he knew. This suddenly set Kokoro off; something felt very, very wrong. She frantically started looking for "Hotori", and was told by Yomogi that they had given "Hotori" one of the twins to hold. Kokoro scanned the shore and--

--"Hotori" was standing on a small ledge by the shore, holding the baby precariously with one hand, singing in a deep, chilling voice,

"Kagome, Kagome...

u s h i r o   n o   s h o m e n   d a - - a r e?"

Cut to Satoru. He decides it's time to approach Lin, after all these years, maybe clear things up...

She backs away, extremely suspicious.

Satoru has no idea what's wrong, and asks her about it, hesitantly.

Lin looks angry and, raising her finger to point at him--

"You aren't the Yukidoh Satoru I know!"

----

Whoa. Where to begin.

Lin's last line. Let me just say I am once again glad to have witnessed a certain Bad Ending! My instincts or whatever told me choosing that option would be helpful. Good job, me.

The Yukidoh Satoru, as in the consciousness, whole-heartedly believes that he is "Yukidoh Satoru". He even has vivid memories of the time he was dating Lin. So why, then, does Lin not recognize him? Or at least, claim that he is "not the Satoru she knows"? 

Simple. The third theory I proposed in my last essay, the one about the Bad Ending where Satoru entered the cylinder building and was stabbed to death. 

I'll repost it here:

"3) (...) The consciousness, our protag, is in fact “Yukidoh Satoru”, and it’s the body that doesn’t match up. The body(, the blonde man's body we're used to,) is actually the body of “Enomoto Naoya”. Likewise, the consciousness inside the suited man is, in fact, Enomoto Naoya, and the body belongs to Yukidoh Satoru."

The consciousness that is our male protagonist IS Yukidoh Satoru. That's why he remembers it that way, that's why he remembers Lin. The difference is that the body we have come to know as his, is not. It once belonged to Enomoto Naoya. The consciousness of Enomoto Naoya resided in the suited man's body...which must make that Satoru's REAL body.

The two of them had traded bodies at some point in the past. The question is, why? And how? This remains unanswered for now.

I don't think I have anymore solidly backed-up theories, so from here on, I will list the questions that remain:

Why the difference in personality and behaviour in "Hotori" between when Kokoro was there, and when Satoru was there?

What has happened to her now? Who was controlling her body as she threatened the baby with death over the sea? 

Who was trying to kill Satoru at SPHIA (who pushed him off the clock tower, who stabbed him in the arm)?

Was the newspaper really a "fabrication" as suggested by 2012-Yuni? If not, then what corpses were found on the mountain (that they believed to be that of Kokoro, Yomogi, and Lin)? Or was history changed? If it WAS  a fabrication, who fabricated it, and why? And what, then, of the article in the magazine under Satoru's bed?

Why was Satoru ever at SPHIA in the first place?

Why were there no staff members, no guards, no anyone else at SPHIA? Why was an alleged, mentally-ill mass murderer allowed to wander around unrestrained?

Why was there absolutely no connection to the outside world inside SPHIA?

What exactly was on the terabyte disc? Where did it come from?

What was Satoru like before he developed amnesia? How did he know Enomoto?

What was Enomoto's "plan"?

Was Satoru in on that "plan" before he developed amnesia?

What caused the "space-time transfer" to occur in the first place?

Why between three places?

What was important about the third location?

Why couldn't either Kokoro or Satoru think, move, say, feel, experience anything while in that area? Why was the time there sort of just "skipped-over"?

Who was the third personality, that had so happily killed "Enomoto Naoya" (inside Satoru's real body), that has happily devoured everyone's food rations? Who was person 'a'?

What happened to "Inubushi Keiko"? The personality behind the murders of 12 people? Was she the personality/consciousness controlling "Hotori" on the beach? Is she "person 'a'/the third personality"?

And then, as stated above, why did Enomoto and Satoru trade bodies? When? How?

I think....that about covers it? Those are at least most of the still unanswered questions.

Problem is...I don't really...know where to go from here? There's no new path open. Nothing new unlocked. What am I supposed to do now? Where do I find the answers?

Maybe some more answers lie in the Bad Endings I missed? Like the two that I've seen that have helped me so much...hmm.

Guess I'l start but going through all my saves and choosing new options.

[samuraiwithachicken]

I finished Kokoro’s route. This game has me absolutely hooked, I don’t know why I waited so long to start it. Since this is an Uchikoshi game, I am not trusting anything right now. My current theory is

~remember11 spoilers~

They are not traveling through time. They exist in the same year. 2012, I guess? Maybe the people in the cabin were frozen for a year or something. And it was 3 other people that died in the avalanche. And I think the cabin and SHPIA are nearby each other. But that doesn’t explain the two Yunis. Even if he had some way of going back and forth between the two places, it would be super noticeable if he was always leaving the cabin. Maybe they all do have clones or something. The woman Kokoro found in the snow kinda looked like her. idk, maybe my theories are all wrong. I don’t think I’ll have time to finish the whole game today but hopefully, I will get to a point where most of these questions are answered.

[shewasanamericangirl]

Never7, Ever17, Remember11, Root Double, HuniePop, and DanganRonpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

never7: i disliked the convoluted routes too. especially that one part where you have to spend time with one sister to get points with the other sister :|

ever17: the pacing is bad and the translation is worse

remember11: of course, it was never totally completed, so we have all these dangling plot strings--and the fact that i love what IS in the game makes it that much harder to accept.

root double: extremely repetitive scenes and awkwardly drawn boobs

huniepop: there is no option to sit jessie and tiffany down and help them work out their differences. i would rather do that than bone them. also, beli is way too good for this game and deserves to be in a game where she can find real love...!

danganronpa 1: [spoiler redacted] just HAS to be vague about certain plot points during the Big Exposition Scene, which put me in despair. also, watching my fave SUFFER AND DIE but like...it’s danganronpa, what else is gonna happen?

[shewasanamericangirl]

also. world's end club is not a danganronpa game. but. it is kinda an infinity game.

[carciplus]

enomoto, satoru, and yuni all have the same pose. meaningful, or does the sprite artist just paint that position a lot without thinking about it?

[carciplus]

OHHHHHHHHSHIT IT’S ENOMOTO

SO MAYBE IN THAT BAD END ENOMOTO LOST HIS MIND AFTER SEEING ALL THE GORE...? OR SOMETHING

are we gonna see this guy’s eyes or no

[systemrestart]

That was...the Satoru route ending...? That can't...?!

SATORU FUCKING DIED?????

He left the SPHIA circle and waited for a transfer to happen, then went back in, expecting to find the mountain cabin. Instead, he found a small cylinder building (perhaps...the third location/transfer point?) and it turned out the key he had found earlier in his SPHIA room unlocked it.

Inside, the Enomoto guy showed up, and behind him....Satoru. 

From the way they were talking, it seemed that this place was from the past, which led me to the conclusion that this Satoru was from before he had amnesia. 

The Enomoto guy said something about how Satoru (the one i've been playing as) showing up here and calling himself "Satoru" meant that some kind of "plan" had failed. The Satoru from the past then asked

if it would be okay to kill a future version of himself, since it probably wouldn't affect the present him...

...and he wanted to know how to felt to "kill myself".

I started wondering, just who was Yukidoh Satoru before he died? What kind of person was he? Did he used to know of this "plan" Enomoto was talking about? Did he get himself into the situation our amnesiac Satoru is in now...on purpose? 

Regardless of the answers to those questions, Satoru of the past stabbed our Satoru again and again, grinning with twisted joy. And then...

Enomoto called the Satoru of the past..."Enomoto"

And the Satoru of the past, the one stabbing our Satoru to death, called him..."Yukidoh"

? ? ? ? ?

Did the "Enomoto and Satoru of the past" switch bodies? 

Or maybe...was the body we've been referring to as "Yukidoh Satoru"...never "Yukidoh Satoru" to begin with?

Our Satoru has amnesia, correct? Where did he learn his name from? Either he remembered it, or he read it off the ID card he had with him. If he remembered it, then this kinda goes out the window, but if he just read it...what if he was never really "Yukidoh Satoru" to begin with, what if the ID card isn't his?

Okay, okay. Let me list my ideas and possibilities before I get all mixed up:

1) The body that we have known as "Yukidoh Satoru's body" is actually the body of one named "Enomoto Naoya". The personality we have been with, our "Satoru", is in actuality Enomoto Naoya. The confusion about the name is from his having amnesia, and reading the name "Yukidoh Satoru" off the ID he had. The man in the suit, who proclaimed himself, is actually Yukidoh Satoru.

This brings up two big questions: Why did our Satoru's body (the body we see out of half the time, the blonde, male body; names at this point are confusing as hell) have "Yukidoh Satoru" 's ID card? And why did The man in the suit proclaim himself to be Enomoto Naoya?

2) The body that we know of as "Yukidoh Satoru's body", is, in fact, Yukidoh Satoru's body. The consciousness we have believed to be "Satoru", is not. It's actually Enomoto Naoya. As he has amnesia, he doesn't remember this fact, and read the name "Yukidoh Satoru" off the ID card, which he probably owns because this is Yukidoh Satoru's body. The suited man's body is that of Enomoto Naoya, while the consciousness controlling it is the real Yukidoh Satoru.

This falls apart if our amnesiac protagonist had simply remembered his name as "Yukidoh Satoru", and hadn't come to that conclusion from the ID card. And again, why had the suited man proclaimed himself to be "Enomoto Naoya"? Maybe...he knew that our protag would read the ID card and think HIS OWN name was Yukidoh Satoru, and so the suited man used the name of the owner's body...? ????? hrrmmrmmmmmm

3) The flip-side of the last one. The consciousness, our protag, is in fact "Yukidoh Satoru", and it's the body that doesn't match up. The body is actually the body of "Enomoto Naoya". Likewise, the consciousness inside the suited man is, in fact, Enomoto Naoya, and the body belongs to Yukidoh Satoru.

This theory eliminates the need to know how Satoru remembered his name, as it doesn't effect anything, and also the need to question why the suited man said he was "Enomoto Naoya"; it's simply because he IS.

The questions raised with the last one extend to the second theory as well; why are their bodies switched at all? When? How?

And with the first one: seriously, WHY? What's the point in that?

I think...the third theory is the most likely so far. It has the least contradictions  and the most things explained.

For now, it's time to...figure out what to do now. The credits rolled, but that can't be the ending to Satoru's route...or at least, not the only ending.

Maybe I unlocked a new route...?

[systemrestart]

The time when Kokoro transferred into your body was 6:11pm, and the time of the murder was minutes before 7:11pm!!

Kokoro can only transfer into your body for 33 minute intervals, which means the transfer should have ended at 6:44.

Something very very wrong happened in the time between 6:44 and 7:11.

My theory is that something else...maybe...Shadow? Had controlled your body in that time frame!

Both you and Kokoro are innocent!

[systemrestart]

[huge major Remember11 spoilers]

In Kokoro's route, Kokoro escaped Enomoto (though she didn't know who he was)'s murder attempt by running. She did not stab him, she did not kill him. Then, she transferred, and later came back to find that someone had killed him. Yuni claimed that it was "Satoru's body" that stabbed Enomoto to death.

Kokoro assumed that it was Satoru who had done it. Between the her escaping from Enomoto, to finding him dead. It was Satoru who had been in control of his own body during that time, right? So either it was him, or Yuni was lying and someone else had done it. The important thing here is that Kokoro did not do it.

Then, the matter of the food rations. Kokoro was entrusted with Yomogi and Yuni's food rations, and she kept them safe, where no one else knew where they were (or, I don't think anyone else knew). After this, she transferred  and when she came back...the food rations were gone, and her body was no longer hungry. There's only one explanation; Satoru had eaten all the food rations. 

So, something I was looking forward to by playing Satoru's route was finding out WHY he had done these things (or in the case of the murder, what had really happened). 

But

he

didn't

do them???

The transfer where he supposedly ate the food rations...he didn't! Yet, when he transferred again and back, the food rations were gone! We already know that Kokoro wasn't to one who ate them, but Satoru DIDN'T EITHER. But the body itself, Kokoro's body...it was no longer hungry, so the body had eaten the food rations. Neither Kokoro's consciousness nor Satoru's had chosen to do this, though.

???

And then, the murder. This is even MORE confusing.

Let's do a timeline:

Satoru talks with Enomoto. He throws a fit, which causes Enomoto to threaten to kill him. Or rather, pull out a knife and say "You're in the way of my plans! I'LL KILL YOU!" and chase him. Satoru runs out into storage room, and trips.

Transfer occurs, Kokoro is now in Satoru's body.

Kokoro fends him off, though she probably didn't hurt him. She gets away.

Transfer. Satoru is back in his own body.

Satoru is standing near Enomoto's now-dead body, that has been stabbed multiple times. He holds the knife Enomoto had pulled out in his hands, bloodied. He assumes that it was Kokoro who did it.

She didn't. She was not present in Satoru's body when the stabbing occurred.

But neither...was Satoru...?

There a hole here. Both at the mountain cabin involving the food rations, and at SPHIA involving the murder. 

Looking at the timeline...I think both the eating of the food rations and the murder occurred that the same time (or uh, at corresponding intervals of time between the two places, like. yeah). So for a short period of time...

Neither Kokoro nor Satoru were present in either of their bodies?

There's a gap for both Kokoro and Satoru there, a gap where things happened with their bodies (the murder and the eating of the food rations) that neither of them were present for.

Maybe...did, for that short period of time, someone..else...use their bodies? 

Ugh, confusion.