#subtext and headcanons and delusional my ass

[sneezemonster15]

I'd give you an analysis, but frankly from what I've seen from your own "analysis" you're not very good at reading

also if you'd be so kind to tag this as mha spoilers, or screenshot this ask and put it under a read more so i dont spoil anyone who's interested in reading mha. it'd be greatly appreciated

(also thanks for getting rid of anon, this time i will include pics !)

anyway, this is the "straight dude who is having a typical cutesy high school het romance with a girl in a taken for granted het world." you're talking about;

also i wont lie, calling mha a het world when these are real dialogue is highkey stupid:

and i know the topic at hand is s/n/s and bk/dk but lets pivot to tg/chk bc theyre more relevant to what im saying

theres a lot to say but honestly, the manga speaks for itself :)

oh and also, you're right, bk/dk has no romantic subtext - it has romantic text. no subtlety needed! :) that is, if you have read the manga - my favourite example is this:

and then shgrk then proceeds to kill bkg, who "dies" (sort of) thinking about izuku in his final moments:

and then izk loses control when he sees bkg "dead" on the ground

and these are from recent chapters! imagine the rest of the series, ey

well! that got long. i'd tackle your crappy assessment of deku's character, but then I'd be here all day!

anyways, if i were you, I'd reread mha and really really understand the text you're reading. you might end up seeing something you missed at first!

Aiyyo someone got triggered! Hehehe. Ah it was inevitable that the moment I talked about MHA and rejected shippy head canons from the show, some delusional hardcore shipper would get all up in arms. Sigh.

You think what you wrote is analysis? Hehehe.

So just some random panels and chapter covers from the manga prove Bakugou or Deku is gay? Lol. I have seen fans like you in Naruto fandom as well. But you are right, I am not as invested in MHA, because it just doesn't have the versatility and genius of Naruto and Shippuden, it is actually quite a straightforward story and I don't need to burn a lot of my braincells to 'get it'. Lol. I am not saying it's bad, but as compared to its contemporary mangas, it just isn't at par for my tastes. It's good for entertainment but it doesn't affect me like other mangas that it takes inspiration from. Some silly shipper telling me I can't read, I would tell you my credentials but nah, too much work for disproving silly ass headcanons.

Fans make comparisons between Naruto and BNHA because Horikoshi is inspired by Kishimoto, definitely some similarities are there, but it misses on the most crucial point. Naruto and Shippuden are love stories. BNHA is simply your typical shounen manga. Naruto and Shippuden use the narrative tool of subversion to tell a love story in the restrictive genre of shounen. It has multiple layers and you need presence of mind to see them. Naruto is gay and you see comphet in his character, his interest in Sakura looks superficial from the beginning and then in kage arc, it is concluded as a mere cover to run from confronting his dilemma, and closetedness. His character is consistently shown as having an internal fight, a dilemma. Sasuke is just on your face, he is clearly shown as having no interest in women, but with Naruto he is especially intimate on his own accord. Ya know, using random panels ain't gonna help, you need to establish it in the narrative. Headcanons are all nice to entertain when that's all you watch media for, shipping. But please to be showing more maturity and media comprehension when sending me an ask, I am not very sympathetic to gaslighters whose heads are filled with shippy shit and cheap self gratification. When I talk Naruto, I make comparisons with other clearly gay media, and point out the common tropes, it's a result of expansive research. Not just random panels that prove nothing. Little one, you need more than that to prove your theories. I have watched a wide range of media, including gay media, your ask is just representative of your ignorance and lack of knowledge about how storytelling and character building works. Heh. Or do you think BNHA has its own concept of homosexuality, its own private language that cannot be compared with how other media establishes homosexuality in a given universe? Yeah, solipsistic ideas like that cannot be taken seriously.

Conformity is one of the pillars Japanese society is built upon, so it's not surprising that Japanese media talks upon how anything that doesn't conform to the norms is rejected. Their media is representative of their society. Mha also touches upon that and there's no surprises there, but again, you need more than that to prove it in the course of plot building and narrative. Some random out of context panel about some character saying something about conformity proves your point? You need to SHOW it and not just tell. But where other mangas, great mangas, popular and critically well acclaimed mangas have explored this idea in detail, MHA is just touch and go. It doesn't entertain a balanced proper discourse on it. It is truly shounen in that sense. Again, I am not saying it is bad, it is just more age appropriate. Which is totally fine. Do you know how heteronormativity is established in the narrative? Like this. Show me where this happens in MHA. Lol. Sweetheart, if the writer had made any attempt to write this world as heteronormative, where gay characters face challenges, I would have seen it. But mha is just not that deep. Sorry to burst your bubble. But that's just a fact.

Seriously, you are going to give me the example of Toga? I haven't gone through the recent chapters yet. I have only watched the anime. But it is clear that, that girl is medically insane. Her idea of liking someone is to kill that person and drink their blood, for her own pleasure. She ain't a homosexual, more like hemosexual. Hahaha. Again, you gotta show me the trajectory of her character, start with the base and show me how it escalates, how does she learn better about herself, her own feelings, the world from her perspective. No character is isolated, any writer who is talented enough to write multimillion franchise knows that. Don't project your assumptions on the story and the characters, work with what you have and draw the meaning from what's given, not the other way round.

There is no doubt Izuku and Bakugou have a strong relationship, even if it is mostly rivalry. But one can see that Bakugou cares about Deku and vice versa. Before telling me how to read, perhaps you should have done it yourself. Lol, I see this type of behaviour a lot from typical silly shippy shippers. "What, did you just say my ship makes no sense? 🤬"

Read.

Do you even know what subtext or text is? Hahah. This is text and subtext. So just because Bakugou and Deku talk about their rivalry in their vulnerable moments, that the audience knows as congruent since we have already seen they have a hot and cold relationship but that they are friends nonetheless, that proves they love each other romantically? You obviously don't know how romance tropes work. The dynamic between two men who respect and admire each other is always shown with a lot of empathy in Japanese media. It is one of the founding pillars of shounen, a genre meant for teenaged boys. They are certainly closer to each other than they are with women they are interested in, but a lot of fans such as yourself misinterpret it as romantic, because headcanon goggles. No, you gotta have more than that. Where Naruto and Shippuden have it in truckloads, none of that in BNHA. Deku is heterosexual af. If he is so interested in Bakugou, how come he reacts the way he reacts to Uraraka? Where is his conflict? Where is his dilemma? His affection and romantic interest in Uraraka is genuine and sincere, not a cover to hide his more private feelings. Unlike in Naruto's case. Kishi uses clever narrative tricks and tools to tell his love story in shounen and he does it skillfully. His motives and intentions are clear as water. He uses inventive smokescreens and red herrings to escape from being too controversial and colour inside the borders of shounen, nothing like that in BNHA. To begin with, Horikoshi doesn't even delve into the sexualities of his characters, because his story is not about that. There's no context, no set up, nothing. His worldbuilding is simply conventional, by which I mean heteronormative, there's no talk about sexual orientation of characters. You see the usual shounen perviness by Mineta and Kaminari and typical straight girls going kawaai over good looking boys like Todoroki, what impression does that give? If Horikoshi wanted to establish his characters being gay, he would have set up the context mindfully and carefully, like Kishi did. Gay relationships and characters can't be shown so explicitly in shounen as that would jeopardize its distribution in the west. Reason? Censorship. That's why Kishi had to be so careful, his target audience might not get it, but the adults do. Well, unbiased adults do, at the very least. So the boys in bnha are gay just because? Because you want them to be? Storytelling and character building doesn't work like that.

Seriously everything you think works as 'analysis' isn't even valid. I honestly didn't even want to respond to this ask, given it's so surface level and ridiculously simple minded. Perhaps you are a tween or teen who thinks every time two boys or girls smile at each other or rescue each other, they are gay and in love. Lol, watch gay media. Like actually watch it and see where your arguments stand in the scheme of things. I will tell you, nowhere. Juvenile kiddy stuff. I won't entertain anymore asks like these, they are a waste of my time.

[elkdiaries]

I’ve always thought it a bit ironic when toxic Melvin’s call bylers delusional meanwhile Mike and El literally break up on screen and Mike is making a clear, recognizably confused expression, with his EYES OPEN while El kisses him, and They still find a way to somehow justify it, by essentially pulling headcanons out of their ass. “Oh he was just surprised bc she loved him back!” Yeah bc when I love someone and they finally tell me they love me too, my first instinct is to look uncomfortable, rigid, and keep my eyes open when they kiss me. Like I honestly question what show they’re watching sometimes bc it seems like they’re just wayyy off when it comes to Mike’s characterization in particular and willfully ignore his obvious inner turmoil in order to justify their ship. It doesn’t matter if Byler is canon or not, most bylers I’ve seen are at least realistic about the possibility of it not happening but Melvin’s really scramble to find any reasoning of why it’s endgame, completely ignoring how it negatively affects Mike and El even when it’s shown to their face. I understand a lot of the shippers are young teens that project onto Finn or Millie, or are just used to heteronormativity in media and can’t see subtext for shit, but does it really have to be spoon fed to them like this? It’s taken up until now for people to realize that Will is gay, even though it’s been increasingly obvious for years. It’s just frustrating lol

no but you’re so right in every way?? thank you for this wonderful ask anon!💗

[blorbosexterminator]

i agree with you on a lot from the last ask about andres's feelings, I guess i have the impression that - i can't quite put into words and i know I'm gonna sound contradictory - andres was aware that his feelings for martin weren't really brotherly or just friendly and obviously also different from what he felt for his wives. but also i don't think he ever really acknowledged that, privately in his own mind, ever confronted that. like i do think he was in denial and refusing to face his feelings and his relationship with martin like that, but i don't think he was totally oblivious, completely unaware as to how he felt. im not sure i make sense, I don't know how exactly to get across what I'm thinking. and I'm also thinking wayyy too much about them lol. it's probably partly my own wishful thinking/headcanoning, bc I really dislike the interpretations of this unrequited love, gay guy tragically in love with the oblivious straight man thing, oh they're just platonically humping while spraying each other with champagne. it's a more satisfying interpretation to me personally if andres feels that he, well, feels differently but still can't really make himself do anything about it, rather than just honestly having no idea. sorry for the long ass ask.

Sorry for being a bit late. I understand you perfectly, the same thing has plagued my mind for a pretty long time. Especially if we take intentions and subtext into the matter, from day 1 Pedro Alonso and Rodrigo de la Serna didn't play the characters as 'one guy is in love while the other is straight and oblivious' so I don't think it's just your wishful thinking. And I'm very much with you on this, I dislike it just the same, never mind that it doesn't actually make much sense. But Andrés remains a difficult character to grasp; he's very paradoxical and unconventional, but he's also king at repressing his true feelings (ex: his illness) and only acknowledging what he wants to see. I think Andrés was always aware of his feelings, that they weren't brotherly or friendly (I've never told you this but I've never felt for any of them ... ) but he 1) refused to acknowledge them 2) made the deliberate choice not to act on them, to never tell Martín. The concept that he had zero idea honestly makes zero sense to me, Andrés and Martín didn't treat each other platonically, Andrés didn't treat Martín platonically. In every single scene we have of them together or of Andrés talking about Martín, he acted like he was in love with him (ex: Speaking of love, look at him, Martín, my bestfriend, what a legend... ) this isn't two men platonically spending their nights humping each other, this is them being 99% a couple. Andrés knew Martín loved him, he knew he loved Martín, and he knew that only if he allowed it, Martín would close that one left gap (as he did in 4x08). I personally think it's the definitivity of his death that made Andrés allow himself to act on it for once. Was he afraid of it for the past ten years? I think so, was Andrés most probably not only scared of being with a man but also of being in such a relationship with that magnitude, with this level of love and commitment? I think so.

Bottomline is, I think it's out of the question that Andrés was wholly, completely, oblivious to how he felt. Only resistant, in denial a bit, delusional in what he wants to see, etc. I don't think that was ever the intention behind berlermo generally speaking, that it was only ever unrequited and the other guy was oblivious. Even when Nairobi, who knew somehow, talked to Martín, she was criticising him never doing anything about his feelings, and I think the same could be said for Andrés. For ten years, both allowed the status quo, each terrified to do anything about it. Until something as final and as terrible as Andrés' illness and definite death came into the picture and forced him to do something

[facepalming-since-chernobyl]

I was a D*stiel shipper (I fully accept it as non-canon now) and I remember all the delusional mental gymnastics I had to do to convince myself they would be endgame. Reading into Every. Single. Little. Thing. All that nonexistent subtext… It was exhausting. I was going crazy. (I never harassed anyone online though) If the supercraps are doing even a fraction of that to themselves… god they are gonna be so disappointed. And I would feel bad for them if they weren’t the worst, most toxic people ever. I love Chris too much to feel anything but disgust for their pitiful asses. They went too far, and they keep going too far. They deserve what’s coming. Idk if Karamel will be endgame, but I’m 100% sure supercrap won’t be.

I agree, I was in SPN fandom and know the tea (also, my headcanon asexual Cas went to shit too, buu T_T).

The saddes/funniest thing is that they really baited themselves while harassing cast, writers, producers and other fans claiming they are baited while when, bitches, when? When anyone form the executive producers, actors or writers said that sc is something else than FRIENDSHIP? Who spread the ideas that SC for sure endgame? Who lured other people, promising it's going to be real? Exactly.