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debrisyume · 4 years

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Deltarune Theories

This is super late, I know. I’m only posting this after most people stopped caring about the game but I really wanted those who are interested to know what theories I am going with. I actually like the fact that I did it like this because people have noticed and discussed interesting things months after the game was released.

Warning, I don’t think I bring much of anything new to the table with my theories, but I still want to put my thoughts into context so people know where I stand currently. Also imagine everything has a disclaimer that says “This is what I think but I’m prepared to be wrong when the full game comes out.” After all, we don’t know how much of the story we’ve been shown, it could be less than a third for all we know. And I think there’s a lot of lore we aren’t aware of right now.

It might sound kinda fanfiction-y at some points (not that fanfic is bad, but fanfiction doesn’t rely on evidence, I probably discuss a lot of headcanons here with little no backup). Also, this is super long (perhaps excessively so). I’ve broken it up into sections for more easy reading, and I have a short list of my most important or favorite theories at the end, but without explaining why I like them or the evidence for it. If you’re confused or don’t like a theory of mine, I recommend reading the part where I talk about it to at least understand my perspective.

Let’s talk about the ending scene first because I have some... thoughts about it.

That Ending

Ok, first of all, I’m 100% completely certain that the red soul Kris took out doesn’t belong to them. They were definitely possessed by it. I used to think it was theirs but then we took control of it and Kris was willing to get rid of their soul to stop being possessed, but that ended up being too convoluted.

Also, a big piece of evidence that pretty much confirms it’s “our” soul is how Gaster literally summons the red soul for the survey. (“ARE WE CONNECTED?”) Presumably it was going to be put into our created vessel, but then Chara dunked it and Gaster had to make do with Kris. (Or maybe it was Chara who put it inside Kris but I strongly suspect it was Gaster, because Chara was cut off when they were saying “Your name is...” This link also provides evidence toward Chara working with Gaster. They consider Frisk/the player their partner, an equal, and see themselves as a servant for Gaster)

Probably the biggest indication towards Kris being possessed by the soul is the whole ball of junk sequence. They don’t want to throw it away, but we force them to do it and they are clearly upset by it. Not to mention how we can still control the red soul inside the cage by moving it around a little. I don’t see how the ending could be anything but Kris trying to take back control of their own body.

Now, I don’t think Kris is evil. I don’t think they want to kill anyone, I can’t think of a reason why they would want to kill anyone so I’m not expecting it. Their LOVE is at 1 and we never heard about them being violent. There is a big gap between somewhat creepy and mean pranks + social awkwardness, and literal murder. They’ve also done things outside of the soul’s control that make them being evil unlikely in my eyes, they protect Susie and they call her their friend. They also clearly care about Asriel and miss him deeply.

Why would they throw away the first friend they made in years and ruin their relationship with Asriel by killing people in their hometown? I believe the knife thing was just a threat towards the soul, to scare it into leaving them alone. All Chara similarities are because they’re like Chara, not being possessed by them.

I believe they used to have a red soul themselves, but it was taken from them or lost somehow (their similarities to Frisk and Chara are way too stark and prominent for me not to think they had a red soul). For probably a long time they were soulless. We see how being soulless affects Flowey, he can’t feel love, compassion, or hope. I think Kris being soulless like this worsened their already terrible depression, and while they were able to get those feelings back through the new red soul, they aren’t willing to be controlled like that, so they got rid of it. Maybe they’re hoping to get their own soul back one day.

Also, I suspect that Kris has been possessed before, which is why I think they haven’t had their own soul for some time already. The rusty cage they used to trap the soul ‘has seen some use before’. There’s also a suspicious stain by that cage. I believe the first few times they had to rip a soul out, their body couldn’t handle it well and... yeah...

I don’t have a clue why Kris moves the way they do before ripping out the soul though. They walk very similar to how Frisk is described to walk in the Genocide Route, “shambling about from place to place.” But that was as a result of the LOVE they gained, right? It doesn’t look like Kris is controlling their own body well either, and the footsteps from the Dark World... maybe prolonged possession really hampers Kris’ own control of their body. They are described as looking sick in Hometown, which implies being possessed made them sick... someone help them already.

Kris’ Weapon

I would like to talk about the knife for a second too. So, their weapon is listed as “pencil” and not knife. I don’t know about you, but a pencil sounds like a pretty shitty weapon, especially if I already have a knife with me. But, what if Kris didn’t always have that knife with them? I know this will sound kinda crazy, but I think they summoned it with magic (Chara/Frisk/Kris has a strong resemblance to one of humanity’s seven greatest magicians, the poncho human, so this doesn’t come across as that unlikely to me. I think Poncho Human is one of those magicians because they’re always seen as toward the front/leading the humans, including when the barrier was being made, although I will admit this isn’t really confirmation).

We already seen this happen in Undertale. No matter what weapon you have equipped in the Omega Flowey fight, the knife animation will always play when you attack him, even if the knife isn’t in your inventory. This happens in other instances too like when Chara kills Sans, Asgore, and Flowey for you. Kris does look like they reached into their pocket for the knife, but I still believe it wasn’t there initially, otherwise the knife would be their “weapon.”

Is the Red Soul really supposed to be us?

Back to the soul, I don’t think the soul belongs to the player specifically. While I think it’s a valid theory, it kinda makes me uncomfortable, similar to the player theory in Undertale which I used to believe in. It’s not just that though, I believe the red soul has a good chance of belonging to Frisk.

Think about it, the red soul knows things Kris shouldn’t know about, they recognize Sans (and Sans probably recognizes the soul but is pretending not to know anything about what’s going on), they ask Undyne about Alphys, who’s supposed to be her girlfriend in the universe they came from. They also explicitly can’t play piano, unlike Kris, which excludes many players. Kris’ Dark World outfit matches Frisk’s usual clothes very well, and then there’s the flirting thing.

The vessel we made at the beginning has two stripes on their shirt, and their soul is red... like... a certain someone... we’re familiar with... it can’t be Chara, because Chara is the one who got rid of our vessel. And what was Chara doing before they got cut off? Telling Frisk a phrase similar to ones they heard before (Despite everything, it’s still you. Try as you might, you continue to be yourself. No one can choose who they are in this world.) and trying to remind Frisk of what their true name is (“Your name is...” a direct parallel to the flashback when Asriel introduces himself to Chara, but the flashback ended before he could, so we only heard “My name is...”) because apparently Frisk forgot who they were.

Anyone else find the survey questions weird? Besides how the speaker clearly isn’t too familiar with humans, none of them particularly identify a personality, they’re all about favorites or physical things. Gaster summoned Frisk’s soul for a specific purpose, but apparently they don’t need to be completely “themselves” to fulfill that purpose?

Also, if the red soul is supposed to be the player, not only is the bad piano playing oddly exclusive, but so is the color. We know from UT that each soul color had a virtue to go along with it, yet ours is always red, like Frisk and Chara’s. You could just wave it away as being red because it was our previous player character’s, but I still think it’s weird because Toby could have let us choose our own soul color or made a small quiz that picked our virtue for us. I still think red has its own virtue, despite us not knowing it. It can’t be determination, because DT is some sort of magical substance that exists in all humans (it’s also too similar to perseverance to be a separate trait). I have my own ideas, but maybe we’ll find it out in this game? Either way, there’s no reason it has to be red in particular, if it’s meant to represent the player, unless we’re actually playing as a character with a red soul.

Now that I’ve established that I think the red soul is Frisk, I need to explain what kind of Frisk. I think this Frisk is older, closer to Kris’ age than how old they were in Undertale. It must be after a pacifist run, because that’s the only run where Alphys and Undyne get together, although I haven’t decided yet if it’s regular pacifist or soulless pacifist. The way Chara talks reminds me more of their Genocide run self, not to mention the callback to the soulless pacifist ending in DR.

The thing about determination in Deltarune’s universe is that I think it still exists, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to save and reload at all, but that it hasn’t been named or even have much research to it at all. After all, the one who discovered it was Alphys, after Chara and Asriel were long dead. And Alphys in this universe isn’t a scientist. Kris also seems to be aware they can save, but their save file is weirdly empty...

The Dark World isn’t Real, kinda (but neither is Hometown, kinda)

Now, pretty much everyone has considered the idea that the Dark World is not actually real. The food isn’t filling, after completing a playthrough you can skip going to school and just go back to sleep to come to the Dark World, the areas and characters each have a counterpart in the unused classroom (except for Ralsei, hmm). Kris’ pencil also turns into a sword, we can tell because if they get the spooky sword, they come back with a Halloween pencil.

I don’t think it’s as simple as the Dark World being fake though. The idea of Kris and Susie having some sort of shared dream experience is weird, and all the roleplaying theories make no sense to me (why would Susie participate when she only starts caring about Kris toward the end of their journey?). All the characters not being real just makes me sad, and the adventure feels hollow of if it was just imagination.

I believe the Dark World is a pocket dimension of some sorts, influenced by what goes on in Hometown (Seam being old is because ‘stuffed animal Seam’ is worn out after some years). It might be pretty dependent on Hometown to exist, but all the characters are perfectly sentient and have their own agency. Think... idk what goes on in Toy Story or Spirited Away?

However, I also believe Hometown is fake in some way, or at the very least, there’s some shady magic stuff going on. While on the surface it seems like a perfectly normal town where monsters are happily living above ground, seemingly never been trapped by humans in the first place, most of the characters we know are unhappy in some way. Bratty and Catty hate each other, Alphys and Undyne don’t know each other, Mettaton isn’t confident and seems pretty depressed, being a teacher is literally the worst job Alphys could have, etc.

There’s also things that feel super off. The way Toriel acts as a parent to Kris feels like a downgrade from Undertale, Asgore is living in poverty and no one is really helping him (almost makes me wonder if he was never a king in this universe?). Why don’t Alphys and Undyne don’t know each other, anyway? The town is pretty damn small and they both hold job positions that would make them well known, especially given how it seems like only Toriel and apparently Blooky is the other teacher/officer respectively.

Why is there a stain in Kris’ room that Toriel doesn’t seem to care about, even just to clean? Why is she overprotective to the point of punishing Asriel for being kissed by a girl? Why is Asriel the only character living his best life? He’s alive, he’s popular, his family is proud of him, while is Kris is seen as a creepy loner.

The lights in the school not reflecting the correct way, assuming that was deliberate (considering its similarities to the judgement hall, which is weird on its own, I’m betting it is). The way Toriel’s doorknobs on multiple doors work should be impossible. That fucking bunker?? Why is it there?? Why is Gaster’s music playing there?? IM SO UNSETTLED

Anyway, my point is I have to wonder if Hometown is fabricated in some way. I like to think of it as a world someone created that isn’t completely finished, or something went wrong in the process. This post talks about a great idea about how the Deltarune universe is meant to be an “ideal AU” for Asriel and Chara (Asriel creating the Dark World while Hometown was done by Chara) and I’ve been really into it since I first read it. It just makes a lot of sense to me. I believe it was done with the help of Gaster, who has his own agenda going on, which is why things aren’t perfect.

What’s up with Kris?

Now, about Kris’ identity. It’s hard for me to believe they’re completely separate from either Frisk or Chara because of the similarities they all share. Kris’s skin and hair colors match Frisk’s perfectly, but their personality seems to match Chara more. They’re quiet (we never hear Chara’s voice in the videotapes), the demon horns headband are very much Chara’s style, they like being creepy, while Chara’s hair doesn’t cover their eyes when see them at the end of the Genocide run, we never actually see their eyes in the flashbacks, they’re also both very close to Asriel.

I also think it’s important to mention that Deltarune takes place in 202X, while Chara fell in 201X, and Frisk fell much, much later. I’ve seen people liken Kris to a “Chara self-insert” and it makes a lot of sense to me in the context of Deltarune being a created AU. I’m more in the “Kris is an AU Chara” boat than “fusion who’s taking the place of both” or “AU Frisk”, because personality sticks out more to me than physical stuff. But the “self-insert” idea could explain away the name and appearance differences. Chara could see Frisk as a better version of themselves, taken stuff like Asriel saying Frisk “is the friend he wished he always had” to heart, and unconsciously mold this AU version of them to resemble Frisk more.

Essentially Kris is Chara’s OC in the same way Ralsei and the Absolute God of Hyperdeath are to Asriel. Not to mention since I think Frisk is the red soul, the idea of them possessing an AU version of themselves is a bit... odd, but if it’s an AU Chara than it’s almost a reverse of the situation they two had in the Undertale (although I don’t think Chara took control outside of certain instances). Which is a fun idea to me! Like Underswap but angsty teen edition, haha.

Tbh, the idea of Kris being an “AU Chara” is more just my personal preference, as it goes well with a lot of headcanons for Chara (I had one that they played the piano before Deltarune came out, for instance), however, I can admit that some sort of fusion between Frisk and Chara (heck, their name is even a combination of the two, ‘Chris’! It’s probably spelled as Kris because that’s more gender-neutral, I bet) seems more likely at this point, no matter how weird I personally find it.

By the way, I strongly feel that Kris would have a different outfit in the Dark World if they had their own soul instead of Frisk’s soul inside of them. I can see theirs following a similar knight theme, but it wouldn’t have a blue and pink color palette.

Also, I have to wonder if maybe Kris was Chara’s old name back in Undertale? It’s not a stretch to imagine that they chose their name before meeting Asriel the same way we chose Chara’s name in the beginning of Undertale. But, if it’s a case of Kris being Chara’s old name, I think it’s just that they haven’t figured out their ‘true name’ yet because they never heard of ‘Chara’ before, rather than everyone disrespecting their wishes. Frankly, the idea of everyone misgendering/deadnaming Kris intentionally makes me uncomfortable and also comes across as pretty OOC for the monsters.

To pacify or not pacify?

I said before that I’m uncertain as to whether Deltarune is a sequel to post-pacifist Undertale or post-soullless pacifist, but I think if it was the soulless version, it would give us a good explanation for how Gaster acquired Frisk’s soul (Toby could easily explain it away as void fuckery powers but whatever). Chara could have been to the one to give it to him, because they are technically in possession of Frisk’s soul.

I still consider the soul to be Frisk’s even if they gave it to Chara. We already know from the Omega Flowey and Asriel fights that even when someone else is using the soul, the person will still exist in some way. Even if Chara owns the soul now, it’s still made from Frisk’s essence. Also, Chara and Gaster seem to be working together, I think Chara gave the soul to him and that’s how the survey got started. And since it’s not in Chara’s body anymore/Chara could have just given up ownership of it, Frisk is the only one in control of it now.

Frisk isn’t evil they just lack empathy and occasionally go into a dissociative state where they commit atrocities

(The title is supposed to be a meme reference don’t take it too seriously, although I always liked the headcanon that Frisk struggles with empathy more than people think). You guys might be thinking I’m being too harsh on Frisk. They’re possessing Kris, they probably did a Genocide run, etc. Well, I don’t think any worse of Frisk than I do for Flowey. They (along with Chara) are just traumatized kids in messed up circumstances with way too much power in their hands. Frisk also never consented to being put into Kris. I don’t think they have any idea what the fuck is going on.

You can answer ‘no’ to multiple questions in the survey and it continues on as if you answered yes, they probably thought the whole thing was weird and kinda shady, but they literally had no choice but to go through with it. They were also under the impression that their vessel would be the new artificial human they’re creating, not someone who already has a life. I’m also not sure if they have a good way to communicate with Kris and hear their thoughts on everything. Frisk might be able to talk to Kris through narration, but not hear what they want to say in return, only some of their feelings. Or they’re not able to talk to each other at all, which just makes the situation harder on both of them.

Frisk can do many things that unintentionally hurt Kris, like hugging Ralsei when Kris doesn’t like hugs, but that seems to be a case of ignorance. As far as I know, there’s only one thing Frisk can do that’s deliberately bullying them, which is breaking the ball of junk (it’s also crappy if they named it that way when Kris clearly likes it). That is pretty shitty of them, but it’s not too far off from the jerk things you can do in Undertale, liking eating the snowman piece in front of the Snowman or letting Monster Kid fall to their possible death, as far as Frisk knew (all on a pacifist run too!).

Frisk still needs to apologize to them, but I think the two will be able to mend things together eventually. I’m hoping they will because I’ve already thought a lot about their possible friendship after they reconcile lol (This is going to be one of those theories I’m sad about if it’s not true)

I would also like to say that if Frisk has ever met the Gaster followers/Gaster himself (which you can do without hacking in updated versions of Undertale) during a couple of timeline resets then they might feel an obligation to help him, even if they have a bad feeling about it.

Chara and Gaster are playing tug-of-war (and I want the old man to lose because I’m biased)

Back to Chara and Gaster working together, I believe this is almost certainly what’s happening, but they definitely seem to have different goals, or at least different ways of going about it. The way Chara takes over gives me the impression they’re arguing with Frisk caught in the middle. I’m uncertain as to why Chara discarded the vessel, but I doubt they killed the little guy. Maybe possessing a Goner Human would have unpleasant consequences we aren’t aware of.

From what we know of goners, they essentially don’t exist in the same way Gaster doesn’t. Maybe, people would be able to acknowledge us at first, but overtime, similar to Gaster, our existence is forgotten while our accomplishments still exist. I’m expecting them to come back eventually. I like the idea of them being The Knight, although that would require some weird timeline stuff going on, like the period between our vessel being discarded and the red soul being put inside Kris to have taken a much longer time than we thought.

As I mentioned before, I think Gaster was the one to put the soul in Kris, not Chara. My reasoning for this is how Chara gets cut off when telling the soul their name. Gaster could have went with Kris because they’re the best fit (being a human, presumably used to being possessed— notice also how despite clearly not liking being controlled, they still do everything we say) and how they’re already a part of the Legend, apparently, so they were supposed to go the Dark World the whole time.

If Chara was the one who did it, then I think it’s because since Frisk is “their partner”, Chara wants them to work with this AU version of themselves. If Kris is supposed to be Chara, then I can also see Chara just not caring about their comfort or what they want, since Chara always seemed to have a low opinion of themselves, I doubt they’d care much about an AU version.

Otherwise, well, the Chara that gets corrupted by LOVE by the end of the Genocide Route seems to treat everything with apathy unless it has to do with power and irresponsible people getting what they deserve, so they still probably wouldn’t really care much about what Kris wants. Chara could have also thought they were helping by giving them a soul, even if it’s a soul that will control them.

Btw, I doubt Chara has completely bad intentions even if this is the Genocide run version of them, nothing to do with a massacre at least. They’re not even directly interfering with the world besides the vessel thing, Gaster is the one’s in charge of our game over screen (something I think is important and will get back to later!) and we’re the one who chooses to fight people. It’s just that the Darkners run away before we can kill them. Chara has also never been above doing questionable things for the greater good, just look at the buttercup plan.

Suzy/Susie, also that other lizard teen

As far I’m concerned right now, Suzy from Undertale is the same Susie from Deltarune, similar to Chara and Kris’ connection, she’s just younger. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if Suzy is a different character and she’ll appear later in the game. I’m thinking she’s another monster rather than a human, if she isn’t Susie herself. The reason I’m being cautious about whether they’re alternate counterparts is that Catty and Catti are separate characters, despite having very similar names. I wouldn’t be surprised if Suzy and Susie are actually related in Deltarune.

Also, if the soul is a post-pacifist Frisk like I think it is, and Suzy is Susie, then I definitely think Frisk became friends with Suzy after the barrier was broken. I imagine a younger Susie would be more mellow and less of a bully, and Frisk could be a good source of support when she’s dealing with her problems. I think even if they aren’t the same person, it’s likely that Frisk knows Suzy if she’s a monster.

Goner Clamgirl specifically told Frisk they’ll be meeting Suzy soon, so if she isn’t Susie, we’ll definitely see her eventually. And if this is post-soulless pacifist... well, I never thought Chara killed everyone, I thought it was a threat to scare Frisk into behaving or remind them/the player of what they’ve done. Kinda hard to be completely happy with your family and friends while being haunted by the fact that you killed them before.

Monster Kid is kinda screwing with me. Their horns are pointing the opposite side of where they did in Undertale, this is significant because Goner Kid’s horns point the same way as DR Kid. We already know of one goner living a normal life in Deltarune, could DR MK be Goner Kid while UT MK is... uh... MIA, in the Deltarune universe, for the lack of a better term? They act exactly the same though, which is pretty weird. I am still very concerned.

The Narrator is more confusing than Gaster at this point

Now, one of the mysteries that is fucking with me the most is who the narrator is. I don’t think it’s Kris, the use of ‘you’ and other things (Kris got the hot chocolate, you felt a feeling of relief @ the ball of junk not being thrown away is clearly about Kris) doesn’t really fit it being Kris in my head. There’s a lot of similarities with Chara but too many odd things as well... it uses the exact phrasing but with notable differences. The cactus isn’t tsundere, “it’s only you” feels VERY off and kinda mean since Kris isn’t exactly alone anymore... It’s sometimes stiff and brief, similar to the Genocide run narration at times, but it also has its playful moments “It’s good to conserve water” when choosing not to flush the toilet, and the whole “perpetrating the cycle” when talking about the moss.

I like to think it’s a Frisk trying to mimic Chara at times, actually. “He cannot be reasoned with, but don’t give up...!” when checking the Spade King gives me strong Frisk vibes. Also “It's quite small, but some people REALLY like it,” for the choco diamond implies the narrator isn’t a huge fan of chocolate (which Kris and Chara are, the choco diamond heals Kris the most). It’d also make the most sense, if the red soul is Frisk, for Frisk to be the narrator.

However, something that feels off for both Frisk and Chara as narrator candidates is that the narrator seems familiar with Kris. They know Kris can save (“the light only you know”), they know which locker belongs to them and Asriel, they know Kris’ and Asriel’s old Halloween costumes are from 8 years ago specifically... which is... extremely weird? How can Chara or Frisk know these things if they’ve never been to this world before?

Which leads me to my crackpot theory, the narrator is college!Asriel who’s actually dead. THINK ABOUT IT. It’s definitely wrong but whatever. For now my favorite candidate is Frisk but who fucking knows. I’d even accept Gaster at this point, and I hate that theory for Undertale. It’d be too easy if they’re not meant to be character in this game, I think it is supposed to be someone.

ALSO ALSO important fact is that they are definitely narrating to Kris. They refer to Toriel and Asriel as “your mother and brother” and there’s stuff like “You really didn’t want to throw it away.” So the narrator is talking to Kris and not to the soul. I think this is significant.

But yet ANOTHER weird thing about this is “the power of reoccurring bake sales shines within you” line (or whatever, can’t remember the exact phrasing). There’s only one bake sale in Deltarune, but this makes sense in the context of a post-Undertale playthrough, because we experienced more bake sales there. But that means the narrator (Chara I guess, if we’re just going off of this line) is talking to Frisk... which can’t be possible because I already established how they’re clearly talking to Kris, not the soul... (the narrator talking to more to one person or there being two narrators would get way too confusing too fast, like, how are we supposed to figure out who’s who or who exactly they’re talking to if there’s more than one for either?)... and yet if it’s Frisk talking to Kris this line is still strange... because Kris has only been to one bake sale before... you guys understand yet why the narrator mystery is frustrating to me???

Gaster isn’t evil but he’s probably worst void grandpa ever

I do not trust Gaster. I do not trust him at all (I also don’t trust Ralsei). I don’t think he’ll be a traditional villain though. It’d be kinda hypocritical of me to assume the worst of him when I’m such a big Chara fan. The problem is we barely know anything about him. With Chara, we have just enough info to figure out likely motivations, backstory, and personality (from the narration). I have an idea about what Gaster wants but not much about why he’s going about it in this... pretty convoluted way.

I think Gaster wants to be whole again, I think he wants to go back to his friends and family. However, he’s going too far and is fine with people getting hurt as long as he can achieve his goal. Being shattered across time and space probably fucked with his mind at least a little bit. And after a while of nonexistence he’s probably gotten desperate. I’m thinking he’ll be a helpful, if confusing, ally at first, then as we learn more about what he wants he’ll turn into an antagonist. And it will end in an redemption.

Also since there’s apparently an actual debate about this, Gaster is definitely involved with Deltarune, along with Chara. I’m uncertain as to how big Chara’s role is, but Gaster will certainly be a big part of the game. The post I linked about Chara discarding the vessel has undeniable proof it was them, and there’s wayyyy too many hints about Gaster around for him not to be in the game. The speaking style of the one who gave us the survey matches exactly with how Gaster speaks in Entry 17, his music motifs are everywhere (when we call the phone number, the area around the bunker, etc) at least one of his ‘followers’ is up and alive, Seam directly quotes his iconic “darker, yet darker” line... like, there’s no way he’s not involved.

Now, the game over screen is very interesting. Gaster asks us if we want to continue on after we die, and if we say no, the world was “covered in darkness” and we get to listen to some very pretty, but melancholy and slightly ominous music, while we wait in the blank void for Gaster to let us restart. It reminds me of when Chara destroys the world and there’s only howling winds to listen to until they decide to talk to us. Actually, the more I compare the two, the more similar these scenes are.

Frisk is at the mercy of a being more powerful than them, who’s the one that gets to decide if they can continue interacting with the world (with Chara you have to convince them to remake the world). Gaster doesn’t let Frisk reload the timeline themselves, almost as if Gaster is the one with control over the timeline. Gaster bluntly tells Frisk that they failed to save the world, puts them in a time-out as some, frankly, kinda messed up punishment for saying no to restarting, and after a while of presumably contemplating their failure, it’s only then that Gaster lets Frisk try again.

I read a very cool theory that at the start with the survey, when you accept the agreement, you give up your determination to Gaster. This lets the Game Over screen make a lot more sense in context. Gaster is the one who gets to decide when we get to reload the timeline and even where (I saw someone point out that Kris & company typically don’t respawn right by a save point like in Undertale, rather closer to where you last died, that only happens a few times in UT I believe). If this is true that’s... more than a little concerning, but it’s cool too!

Ralsei isn’t evil but he’s certainly suspicious

NOW, let’s talk about everyone’s favorite fluffy boy! Evil Ralsei sounds like the most boring and predictable twist ever. But I’m willing to bet money that there will be a couple of twists with Ralsei’s motives and who he actually is. It’s kinda interesting how Ralsei knows Kris and Susie’s names already, and that he’s the one who tells Kris to direct the soul to Susie, obviously to help out Susie, but maybe also to have a private conversation with Kris?

Gaster never intended for the vessel to be discarded, so it was most likely going to take the place of the human from the prophecy, yet Kris is also one of those “wonderful people” we’re going to meet (Gaster says something to this affect when we name ourselves Kris, note that he only does this with major characters like Susie, Ralsei, and Noelle, who looks like she’s joining us later, and says something different when we call ourselves Toriel, Sans, etc). What I’m getting at is that I’m pretty sure Ralsei either knows the name of the “creator”, the vessel, or both even, and that Kris was also going to join our adventure despite being an extra human. Similar to how Noelle is apparently an extra monster for the Legend.

Back to Ralsei, he definitely seems to know more than he lets on, and could also be lying about some things. It’s pretty interesting that the Spade kingdom’s fountain is the one that was made recently and that we’re supposed to destroy, in contrast to Ralsei’s fountain, which, despite apparently being around for longer, doesn’t have his own subjects? Yet another interesting thing is how Ralsei is usually referred to as a Lightner when he’s with Kris, or with both Kris and Susie.

If Ralsei is hiding something or lying about stuff, I don’t think he’s doing it maliciously. It could be directions from Gaster or something like that. Ralsei’s similarities to Asriel are also very suspicious, and I find the idea of those two not being related at all extremely unconvincing. He acts like a goody two shoes version of Asriel, with his flaws relating to how much of a doormat he is. He’s basically the inverse of the Absolute God of Hyperdeath. Despite how much he advises against fighting anyone, he lets us fight people as much as we please.

Personally, I think he’s a post-pacifist Flowey. It just makes sense to me. Ralsei looks like he’s trying to imitate his idea of Frisk (you can play Frisk as a huge jerk in pacifist yet Asriel still thinks Frisk is super cool), and thinks nonviolence is the way to get the happy ending. He also uses some of the same lines as Flowey in the first battle of the game. I think he’s being manipulated somewhat by Gaster, probably regarding his memories, so he’s actually being genuine as opposed to putting on an act. Although the idea of Ralsei trying to guilt trip us when we drop the manual too many times is hilarious. I also like to think his Light World form is a flower.

The Skeleton Brothers

Last but not least, Sans and Papyrus. Sans, like always, seems to know more about what’s going on. You could interpret Sans as not knowing who we are, but I think he’s actually trolling us. He acts like he knows Kris at first, probably because he’s aware that we don’t know this is their first meeting. “Look who it is! How’s it going kid?” is what you say to someone you met before, I don’t care what anyone says.

Pretending to know someone is a weird joke for a first meeting, imo, unless he means it as a inside joke for Frisk, and isn’t really talking to Kris at that moment. Then, when we say “great to see you again” Sans pretends we’re a weirdo to make fun like he usually does, not giving away that he recognizes Frisk’s soul and putting them on edge as a result (probably failing on the latter at least lbr), so Frisk gets to feel sheepish while Kris is confused as fuck.

I’m not... completely certain from what timeline Sans is, and I’m pretty certain it’s a Sans from one of the Undertale timelines, with the joke about knowing us and how he’s the only returning character with an unchanged sprite. The easiest would be a Genocide run, maybe he didn’t really get killed and if that’s the case, he really has nothing left to live for so might as well go to a different universe, especially if the anomaly is running around and possibly mucking things up again. But why does he have Grillby’s bar with him? I guess he did leave it behind in the Genocide timeline and he said he’s “going to Grillby’s” so that would make sense.

But what about Papyrus? Papyrus throws the biggest wrench in these theories about this being the same Sans because we don’t know anything about this Papyrus. If it’s the DR version of Papyrus then that means there’s a DR version of Sans around with no little brother, and I can’t see UT Sans being that selfish. Post-pacifist would work better, I think. Papyrus is alive in that timeline and maybe if it was important enough they’d leave their friends behind to the DR universe but I kinda can’t see them doing that?

Any other timeline besides Pacifist and Genocide doesn’t work because Grillby never leaves his bar alone for Sans to take (I can’t see him doing that if Grillby is still tending to it). Although I will say if this is a Papyrus who knows who Frisk is, I can see Papyrus being able to play dumb about the similarities he sees between Kris and Frisk, including the soul. He’s always been good at hiding how powerful he is (and seems to be aware of Sans’ teleportation and study of different timelines), so he could just leave more hints about the apparent dimensional travel going on between these games but never being too obvious about it.

Also, I have to say I don’t think either of them are aware of Gaster being involved, although I could be wrong, there’s not much to indicate for either or. Oh, and since Gaster seems to be such a big deal in this game, I think we have a good chance of finally knowing more of the skelebros’ backstory.

Predictions for the full game

There’s no way “your choices don��t matter” is going to be 100% endorsed by the game, even with only one ending. I feel like the ending will be like the “despite everything, it’s still you” line, ie it’ll have a different feel depending on what you do. That particular mirror line still appears whether you do pacifist or when you’re at LV 18. It sounds bittersweet and affectionate when you’ve shown mercy, but when you’ve been pretty dusty, it sounds almost... judgmental. Like wow, you didn’t improve yourself at all, huh?

We already kinda see this with when you fight the Darkners or spare them all (which I definitely think will have a butterfly effect, along with freeing Jevil maybe). The fight ending is more somber while the spare ending is a lot more funny. I highly doubt Deltarune will go full grimdark, even if there will be challenges and horrifying things to discover. I’m sure the ending will be satisfying and have some sort of hopeful tone.

Anyway, now for less big picture things. I’d LOVE for Monster Kid to have a bigger role in the later parts of the game, since they were basically Frisk’s only peer in the underground that they could count on not to kill them (yes Flowey I’m shading you), and I have a big soft spot for their friendship, despite it being rather minor. If the soul belongs to Frisk like I think it does, there could be some interesting interactions. Especially since Frisk is closer to their version of MK than Kris is to the one they know.

However, I highly doubt it. MK doesn’t have a portrait or their own soundbites. I do think part of the game will be Kris improving their relationships with the monsters though, and MK will be one of them. They seem to count on each other to be group partners when they need to, but they’re not close at all. MK looks like they have a tendency to put their foot in their mouth around Kris and doesn’t really get them. I’m thinking that’ll change depending on our choices whenever we get a chance to interact with them. Either that, or there will be a running cycle of MK accidentally annoying Kris, them realizing it and getting uncomfortable, awkward silence ensues, rinse and repeat. RIP school friends.

Noelle will definitely be a big character, since like many predicted, she’s coming to the Dark World. Rudy is almost certainly going to die and that will affect her character arc, along with her seemingly strained relationship with her mother (her being too scared to ask her mom for the house keys raises a red flag).

I think her and Susie will get off on the wrong foot, Noelle will come on too strong and Susie thinks she’s making fun of her and doesn’t actually want to be her friend, because why would she? As they have to interact more in the Dark World though, I’m sure eventually Susie will realize she was being sincere, they’ll become good friends, and even start dating toward the end. Unlike with Alphys and Undyne, I don’t think we’ll get to be a wingman. We might attempt it, but nothing comes from it and it’s just those two becoming a couple on their own to follow the “your choices don’t matter” theme.

Berdly kinda seems like he’s just going to be a jerk character with funny lines, but he does have a portrait and unique soundbites, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets an arc to himself. Maaaaybe he’ll join the party but who really knows. I’m applying this same “maybe” to all new school characters that have the portrait, because why bother giving those to characters with minor roles? Maybe so we can see what they look like better but eh.

Also this is more of a personal preference of mine but I don’t want more villains like the king... a big appeal to me with Undertale is how no one is completely evil and every major character gets their happy ending (except Asriel, Chara, post-Genocide run Frisk, and Gaster, more on that in a little) and is generally written to be flawed but likable and understandable in their own way. I can deal with the king because the fairytale/Alice in Wonderland vibes of the Dark World gives me the impression that it’s meant to have a black-and-white story to tell, where the heroes defeat the bad guy with very little depth, especially if it was created by Asriel, but I think as we explore the Dark World more, it will be more gray.

Timeline shenanigans

(Please also read the last paragraph in the last section for added context)

As I stated before, the universe of Deltarune comes across to me as an imperfectly created AU in a post-Undertale ending setting. This is a big, albeit maybe unlikely wish of mine, but I’m hoping that those who didn’t get an actual happy ending in Undertale will by the end of Deltarune. I think it’s significant how you’re told to play Deltarune only after finishing Undertale. Outside of it generally bring more enjoyable when you recognize the characters and get the references, I think it’s also important to understand the story.

Toby has stated that Deltarune “is a different world with different rules, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be no connections between [it and Undertale.]” If you got a happy ending in Undertale, Deltarune isn’t a sequel to that. It’s a sequel to the soulless-pacifist/genocide ending, or a sequel to a pacifist ending unrelated to our own. Undertale has already made a point to say there’s other AUs and timelines going on separate from ours, which what I think Toby means by our specific playthrough being “untouched” if we got the pacifist ending.

Also, about the 3 save files. They are, frankly, extremely confusing to me, but I still have some things to say. It’s interesting how Asriel’s drawers (and I think other places in the room) each contain different things between the different save files. I have to wonder if they’ll be implemented in the story somehow, and if the differences will increase as the story goes on, but I can’t see how Toby will do that without making multiple endings in the process? I wonder if we’ll have to use them in the same way Omega Flowey did (who had multiple save files according to the souls).

Chapter 2

As for chapter 2, like I said earlier, I highly, highly doubt Kris is going to kill any monsters, that just wouldn’t fit with what we know of them so far. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do attempt to attack the soul though. I’m leaning more towards them threatening it, doing a fakeout stab or something (“who’s in control NOW?”), and dumping the soul somewhere. Maybe they’d succeed in killing it but the soul would just reload, to the last save point even, back within Kris, which they’re probably aware of. There’d be no point in killing it when it’d just come back to life, so I think Kris is going to get rid of it in a nonviolent way.

I’m not sure if we’d go straight to what happens there though? I heard in Mother 3, a game Toby clearly likes, each chapter starts off with a different character’s perspective or something, which would be good for suspense in Deltarune ch 2. We’d probably play as Susie or Noelle at first, I’m thinking Susie in particular. We’d see what her home life is like and where she lives (big mysteries in the game and a point of concern considering her eating habits). She’d go to school, but Kris isn’t there because they’re sleeping in and didn’t feel like going. They’d probably get away with it by telling Toriel they’re sick because literally everyone talked about how being possessed was making them look ill.

Susie wanders around town for a bit after school, mustering up the courage to ask Kris if they still want to go back to the Dark World because what if skipping school was their subtle way of rejecting her friendship? She comes across the red soul, goes what the fuck that’s KRIS’ soul?? Is immediately concerned and brings it back to them. Kris looks like they don’t give a shit but is internally freaking out, makes up some excuse, looking entirely too shady so the Kris-is-evil theorists can have some fuel before being shot down later.

And then we’d switch to their perspective (or, I guess we get to play as the red soul) where they talk to the red soul, initially Kris is very aggressive but somehow we figure out a way to communicate with Kris and tell our side of the story. Apologies are made and Kris is somewhat mollified. Maybe this time Kris consents to being possessed but makes up some ground rules or the two work together to find a different vessel, maybe the golden flower in Asgore’s shop?

Also in the middle of all this there’s a flashback to how the soul ended up where Susie found it. I think this could all work with Noelle instead too. We don’t know what she does after school and she has known Kris for a long time, she might know what their real soul looks like (Like I said earlier, I do think Kris’ actual soul is red) or at least how human souls aren’t white and are right side up.

Summarization of the most important theories I guess

—Kris is being possessed by the red soul, which belongs to an teenage Frisk after a pacifist or soulless pacifist route.

—Considering the options for when you talk to Sans (“Great to see you again!” vs “Who the hell are you?”) I think one half of most options (probably the left side) is something Frisk would like to say while the other half is what Kris wants to say.

—The Deltarune Universe was created by both UT Asriel (more specifically post-pacifist Flowey) and Chara, with help from Gaster. However, he’s manipulating them for his own agenda which is why the world is more than a little weird. Asriel and Chara probably don’t know the other is working with Gaster as well.

—Chara is aware that Gaster is shady and doesn’t fully trust him, to the point they’re interfering and outright arguing with him, unlike UT Asriel, who might have his memories scrambled up.

—Kris is Chara’s self-insert for the Deltarune world, while Ralsei is Flowey. I’m not exactly sure if DR Asriel exists.

—Even if Gaster will be an antagonist he’s getting an redemption arc. He just wants to exist again, but he’s getting too desperate.

—Sans (who is his UT self as far as I’m concerned) is here to keep an eye on the anomaly (Frisk) and make sure they don’t abuse their time-travel powers again. UT Papyrus is also here, knows more than one might expect, possibly to befriend the anomaly to discourage them from doing anything questionable (although I doubt he thinks badly of the anomaly, whether it’s us or Frisk).

—We should have read the fine print before “accepting everything that will happen from now on” because doing that allowed Gaster to steal our determination and now it’s his turn on the timeline.

—Determination still exists, otherwise we couldn’t save and reload the timeline, it just hasn’t been named by Alphys like in UT.

—Gaster is the one who put Frisk’s soul in Kris, while Chara was trying to tell Frisk what their real name is, before getting cut off.

—I think every character is getting a happy ending it’ll just take a while to get there.

—Not exactly a theory, but I find it very interesting how the Angel in the Legend is seen as some sort of enemy to peace between the Lightners and Darkners, while also being revered as a god in Hometown’s religion. Not to mention how the Angel in the prophecy of the Delta Rune is either Frisk, Chara, or Asriel in Undertale.

Annnnnddd that’s it I guess? Congrats if you got to the end, and I appreciate people reading this even if you didn’t read the whole thing. I’m not tagging this because I don’t want people coming onto this post to say how Chara or Kris are definitely evil, but I don’t mind discussion and people telling me they disagree with any of my theories.

#the seal barked again #seriously guys this is longgggg #i wont be offended if you only read parts of it

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DMC 5 “Devil Trigger” song analysis: Who is V?

All right so the DMC 5 team said that Nero's new battle theme song contains hints about this new character called “V” (the figure circled in red below) and I thought I would try taking a crack at this song.

Oh boy, it's been years since I took an ap literature class so my analysis skills are very rusty and I always pick apart the wrong stuff, but here goes nothing.

First, in case there are new fans reading this, it's been confirmed in an artbook that Nero is indeed Vergil's son. In the Deadly Fortune novel, it’s revealed that baby Nero coincidentally appeared shortly after Sanctus ran into Vergil at the castle. Sanctus (when Nero confronts him) explains that he ran into a powerful man of demonic heritage (Vergil) 16-17 years ago one night at Fortuna castle. Nero is 16-17 years old in the events of DMC 4. Supposedly, Vergil impregnated a prostitute and baby Nero was left at the doorsteps of an orphanage wrapped in a black blanket (hence his name "Nero"). 99% of fans already knew this, but in case you still had doubts, Nero is Vergil’s son confirmed.

Also, I personally believe this V character is Vergil or at least some form of him. It could be a clone like Trish & Eva, a remnant of Vergil’s soul, a corrupted and/or resurrected Vergil, whatever. With this in mind, I will use Vergil any time the song refers to someone/V.

I will be analyzing the song by breaking it apart into stanzas.

Warning: As an analysis, this will be a long post.

Let’s begin.

L1: The darkest of night falls around my soul

L2: And the hunter within loses control

L3: Gotta let it out, gotta let it out

L4: Gotta let it out, gotta let it out

L5: This demon inside has a hold of me

L6: Clenching its power trying to break free

L7: Gotta let it out, gotta let it out

L8: Gotta let it out, gotta let it out

L1′s “The darkest of night” refers to the demonic nature of the character. In many forms of media, night time is when evil or insidious happenings occur. L1 discusses how the character’s demonic nature is a very dominant aspect of his being (or his ”soul”). L2 mentions a “hunter” and in the DMC series, there are multiple characters who are demon hunters. But since this song is about V (who is definitely a male by the looks of him from the back), I’m assuming the line refers to a male demon hunter. Add in the idea that this male demon hunter is of demonic heritage as well (according to L1), then you now have 3 candidates as to who this male demon hunter is: Nero, Dante, and Vergil. Again, my money is on Vergil for this V character. L3, L4, and L7 repeatedly state the line “gotta let it out”. Let what out? It’s talking about letting out whatever is causing V/Vergil to lose control of himself. And what is causing V/Vergil’s insanity? His giving in to his demonic nature and letting it consume his human half. It’s well known that Dante embraces his humanity more, while Vergil embraces his demonic heritage more than his human side. But to be more specific, I think the issue is Vergil’s Devil Trigger. The Devil Trigger is a special power that allows the user to assume his/her true demonic form and release their full demonic potential. However, in DmC (Ninja Theory’s reboot), continuously using the DT devours the user’s humanity due to constantly channeling demonic energy. I know, I know--but that’s the DmC reboot and this is DMC 5! Hideaki Itsuno was also a supervising director who oversaw the DmC project. So it is possible he brought over a few details or aspects of DmC into DMC 5. Some people have already noted that the DMC 5 gameplay/combat style seems to pull a few ideas from DmC’s combat style (i.e. the slow-mo when killing the last demon). Vergil, who is already known for embracing his demonic half over his human half, had also been corrupted by Mundus in DMC. Mundus corrupted Vergil and made him his servant after Vergil tried fighting him in DMC 3. Under Mundus’s control, Vergil became a corrupted Devil Trigger known as Nelo Angelo. The Nelo Angelo Devil Trigger is the “demon” that L5 refers to. This is what’s causing Vergil/V to lose control of himself. “Gotta let it out” and the demon inside “trying to break free” means that Vergil/V is struggling to restrain Nelo Angelo within him and that the temptation to set Nelo Angelo free is very strong because it’s his demonic half (except it got corrupted by Mundus). Now, Dante did defeat Nelo Angelo in DMC 1, but that does not mean Nelo Angelo was purged for good.

L9: Move fast baby, don't be slow

L10: Step aside, reload, time to go

L11: I can't seem to control

L12: All this rage that's inside me

L13: Hold it fast, they've been dancing on this

L14: Branded by fire on the abyss

L15: Red hot temper, I just can't resist

L16: All this vengeance inside me

This 2nd stanza seems to be a mix of both Nero & V/Vergil’s perspectives. Remember, the song is about V/Vergil or at least contains hints about him, but this is officially Nero’s theme song. L9 & L10 seems to be Nero’s perspective because I cannot imagine the word “baby” being used like that for V/Vergil. L10 sounds like it’s referring to the character taking a second to reload his gun. We all know that Vergil despises the use of guns and prefers the more traditional, warrior way: swords. L11 & L12 could be Nero’s perspective (he's pissed off at the dude who stole his arm) but I think it’s more of Vergil’s perspective. Although Vergil tries to detach himself from his humanity, it’s not something he can literally escape from. “Rage” or anger is a human emotion which Vergil could be tapping into in response to getting his ass kicked by Mundus and getting corrupted and having to be killed by Dante. I can imagine Vergil has reason to be pissed by now. For L13′s “ Hold it fast, they've been dancing on this” , I have no idea who the hell is dancing on what the fuck, but I’m guessing that “dancing” means fighting or a battle. L14′s “branded by fire” refers to the fires of Hell or Mundus himself marking V/Vergil either spiritually or physically. I added Mundus because Mundus, as The Prince of Darkness, owns Hell. And Hell is often described to be full of fire. The Hooded man (Vergil) has some sort of veiny markings on his face and hands if you look closely in the trailer. The 3rd figure on the right of the cover art also can be seen sporting arm tattoos. This could be brands that V/Vergil sustained from a certain event (which we would have to find out in the game). “abyss” refers to Hell or at least the descension into Hell. By definition, an “abyss” is a bottomless pit. In religious context, an abyss leads to Hell itself, or Satan’s domain. In DMC 3, Arkham knocks Dante, Lady, and Vergil off the Tower to activate the Temen-ni-gru. Vergil is shown falling into an actual abyss and then we next see him secretly following Dante and Arkham around in Hell. What a coincidence... L15 and L16 can be from both Nero & V/Vergil’s perspectives. Nero is known to have a wicked temper (as seen when Nero sees or remembers Kyrie in danger) and his eyes glow bright red when he taps into that demonic rage. Hence the "red hot temper" which even Dante pointed out about Nero when they fought a 2nd time in DMC 4. Since Nero is the son of Vergil, it’s likely that Vergil’s eyes also glow a bright red if he’s in a demonic rage. And as mentioned earlier, Vergil has good reason to be pissed off by now after everything that’s happened to him. L16′s “vengeance inside me” can also refer to both Vergil and Nero. In the DMC 5 trailer, Nero states that he’s “got a score to settle with that son of a bitch”. In other words, Nero seeks vengeance with the Hooded Man (who is 100% Vergil). But perhaps V/Vergil also seeks vengeance against Mundus and/or whomever fucked him up bad because V/Vergil/Hooded Man looked really sickly and messed up when you glimpse his hands and part of his face in the trailer (you can see vein-like markings when you glimpse part of his face). Also, the Hooded Man has the same coat cuffs Vergil had. Either way, both Nero and Vergil have some motive for vengeance (in this case, mainly Nero).

L17: All of these thoughts running through my head

L18: I'm on fire, veins burning red

L19: Frustration is getting bigger

L20: Bang, bang, bang

L21: Pull my Devil Trigger

L17 I’m guessing refers to V/Vergil struggling against his corrupted demon side (Nelo Angelo) and whatever insidious ideas that his Nelo Angelo side is putting in his head, hence the word “thoughts”. That, or if Vergil truly is being mind controlled in DMC 5, then L17 refers to his mind control. Bouncing off the idea of mind control, L18's "I'm on fire" could be about V/Vergil still suffering from the effects of Hell and whatever remaining influence Mundus still has on him. In DMC 1′s ending, Vergil was left in the deepest, darkest pits of Hell for an unknown amount of time before encountering Mundus and becoming his servant. As Nelo Angelo, Vergil’s sanity is scrapped and anything that triggers Vergil’s memories (i.e. the amulet) causes his mental state to be stimulated with scarred memories. L17 & L18 could be expressing V/Vergil’s struggle with his corrupted Nelo Angelo side and whatever evil is influencing him. L19 refers to V/Vergil falling further into the temptation of letting Nelo Angelo take over. L21′s “pull my Devil Trigger” means activating it and tapping into that character’s (either Nero’s or Vergil’s) DT.

L22: Embrace the darkness that's within me

L23: No hiding in the shadows anymore

L24: When this wickedness consumes me

L25: Nothing can save you

L26: And there's no way out

This entire stanza is still about V/Vergil. L22 refers to V/Vergil ultimately giving in to his demonic heritage but I think “darkness” is specifically Vergil’s Nelo Angelo. Nelo Angelo is the unwanted demon within him. V/Vergil already embraced his demonic heritage long ago, so it doesn’t make sense for him to be struggling with that decision now unless it has to do with his Nelo Angelo form. Nelo Angelo is Mundus’s creation. L23 is Vergil finally revealing his identity. For now, as seen in the trailer, Vergil is hiding his identity by use of a hood/cloak. The hood obscures Vergil's face by casting a shadow over it, hence the eventual "no hiding in the shadows anymore". L24′s “wickedness consumes me” is Nelo Angelo taking over V/Vergil again. Remember, there’s going to be a character in DMC 5 called “The Prince of Darkness” and Mundus is known as "The Prince of Darkness” in the DMC series. Mundus is Nelo Angelo’s master. Coincidence?

L27: I'm a wildfire you won't tame

L28: Not even my temper can put out the flame

L29: There's no way to contain

L30: This storm swelling inside me

L31: I'm a bomb you can't defuse

L32: I would just accept you're going to lose

L33: Can't turn down, I refuse

L34: To hold back anymore

Okay, I had trouble with this stanza. It’s hard to determine if this is V/Vergil’s perspective or Nero’s perspective, or a mix of both. It’s very confusing, especially since L27 and L28 sort of contradict each other. L27 sounds like it’s saying that the character is doing what he wants of his own free will and that no matter what, he will not submit to the enemy. But then L28 sounds like it’s saying that not even the character’s strongest form/power can end the fight/enemy (the “put out the flame”). I’m going to take a guess and say this whole stanza is from Nero’s perspective because it sounds cheeky, confident, and daring. And again, this is Nero’s battle theme after all. L30 mentions a “storm” and a storm is something that builds up over time to produce a tumultuous, violent disturbance. Sounds like Nero is very pissed about having to chase a dude all over the city to get his arm back. Before that, he was just chilling and killing grunts on the job and getting home in time to have dinner with the love of his life. He’s definitely going to get more and more pissed, chasing the dude around. L31 mentions “bomb” and, if we look at this from Nero’s perspective, this is Nero stating that it’s only a matter of time before he gets back what belongs to him (his arm). After all, a bomb is something that counts down before the explosion, right? The “bomb” exploding means victory, hence L32′s arrogant tone indicating that victory is inevitable (”accept you’re going to lose”).

L35: All of these voices inside of my head

L36: Blinding my sight in a curtain of red

L37: Frustration is getting bigger

L38: Bang, bang, bang

L39: Pull my Devil Trigger

Again, I’m not sure if this stanza is Nero’s perspective or V/Vergil’s. I’ll just analyze it from both perspectives. Let’s start with Nero’s perspective. If from Nero’s perspective, L35′s “voices” could refer to how Nero also heard a voice inside his head echoing “Power. Give me more power!” This voice Nero heard saying that belongs to his demon self within him (the blue spectral dude that appears behind Nero when Nero uses his DT). In DMC 4, Nero recalls this memory when he is about to be killed by Agnus. His eyes glowed a bright red (Nero in a demonic rage and tapping into his DT) which is what I think L36 refers to (”curtain of red”). The color red commonly equates to the emotion of anger, blood, and violence. L37 means Nero is pissed of course. Now, let’s try looking at this from V/Vergil’s perspective. L35′s “voices” could refer to BOTH Vergil’s original Devil Trigger and the Nelo Angelo DT. Remember, Nelo Angelo is Vergil’s corrupted DT, courtesy of Mundus. Hence why L35 specifically says “voices” (plural). It’s again, Vergil struggling against Mundus’s influence and fighting the influence of his Nelo Angelo self, thus L36 mentioning “blinding my sight” because Vergil isn’t thinking clearly.

L40: When the night ends, it's not over

L41: Weave right through to get closer

L42: Like a silver bullet piercing through

L43: I throw myself into you

L40 seems to be either from Dante or Nero’s perspective (likely Nero’s since this is his song). L40 means that, even though the larger battle is over (the fight against the other demons and/or The Prince of Darkness [who will be a character in DMC 5]), Nero still has to deal with V/Vergil. L41 refers to the fight against V/Vergil. L42 mentions a “bullet” and Nero & Dante use guns but this is Nero’s song so I’m assuming this is still from Nero’s perspective. L43 refers to Nero fighting to save his father’s soul. I say “soul” specifically because L43 specifically uses the word “into” and not “onto”. If the line had used the word “onto”, then it would give a more physical take of Nero saving V/Vergil. Using the word “into” makes it sound like the fight is spiritual. L42 mentions a “silver bullet piercing through” and in L42 & L43, Nero is comparing himself to a “silver bullet”. Why is the bullet’s color specifically mentioned? Well, I don’t know, I’m guessing it’s because of Nero & Vergil’s hair looking close to the color “silver” and it wouldn’t make sense to say the bullet was white in color instead of silver. And what is the intention of having a bullet pierce through a living being? To kill. And what is Nero trying to kill? Whatever or whomever is making his old pops go crazy. Dante already "saved” Vergil in DMC 1 (aka defeated Nelo Angelo), but if Vergil is indeed back in DMC 5 and is still being possessed by an external evil influence then it would only make sense that Nero saves Vergil this time. First the brother, now the son.

Phew, that’s it!

Take this analysis with a grain of salt because this is my own interpretation/theory. I believe V is connected to Vergil in some way (or is even Vergil himself) and I explained earlier why, so that’s why I used V and Vergil interchangeably. There’s always the possibility that V is a completely new character who has nothing to do with Vergil, but I’m bidding on my own theory.

Hell, this mystery character could be a woman for all we know. But looking at their figure closely, they don't look too feminine and the DMC women have always been portrayed to be obviously women (hourglass figure, show cleavage and booty) so it'd be such a plot twist if he turns out to be a she. Also, this is my weakest piece of evidence here but the character is wearing a dark blue tail coat and only the male Sparda dudes (Dante, Nero, and Vergil) wear those kinds of coats. And dark blue? It's dumb to color code characters but Vergil's color is blue (Nero's color is primarily blue and red is his secondary color to represent his connection to both Vergil & Dante). With Vergil being Nero's father, I feel like it'd make most sense to have the father (Vergil), son (Nero) and uncle (Dante) together on the cover.

Yes, I know the mystery character has dark hair and not white but like I said I believe this is some form of Vergil, possibly a corrupted version of him or maybe even a clone. Some form of him. If it was Dante's son instead (somehow), he should still have the signature white hair because the Sparda gene seems to be inherently more dominant than the mother's human genes. I'm basing this on Dante, Vergil, and Nero's cases. Nero's mother is human but Nero inherited all of Vergil's demonic features including the Sparda hair. The same goes for Dante and Vergil. Eva was completely human but Dante and Vergil inherited Sparda's looks and powers so it seems the Sparda/demon gene is the dominant gene at least in terms of physical attributes. So this should also apply to Dante's son (if he does have a son).

Again, take this all with a grain of salt because we won't know the truth until more info is released and/or the game is released.

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[June 2021] Best Motherboard for music production

By Our Experience, you can pick any gaming motherboard from the top brands like ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte Technology, MSI (Micro-Star International), Intel, and ROG, and don't worry much because Gaming motherboard is designed for the heavy load, so we don't think that music production will take many resources that game. But Along with a good and powerful Motherboard, The right processor is very important to process all your music production tasks. So to help you in finding the best Motherboard for music production, we have picked the top 8 best motherboards for you that will help you in the selection of Motherboard for your music production. The music production motherboards are intended to perform under a heavy workload. Like gaming motherboards are intended to be enlarged, which can be perfect for music creation since you are able to upgrade or replace parts down the line in case your pc is not up-to-snuff in a couple of decades. All The brands that we have mentioned above, like Asus, MSI, Gigabyte Technology, MSI (Micro-Star International), Intel, are an A-brand with experience of over twenty-five decades of creating exceptionally good quality motherboards. If it comes to music creation, the CPU is also an important element. Thinking twice in your CPU is much more worth your time, money, and attention than Motherboard. A combination of both will be a good setup. Top brands are trusted and fairly consistent with BIOS upgrades for motherboards to correct problems if there are issues. Deciding on a Fantastic chip for audio production is a Lot More significant The speed of your processor determines if it's possible to work smoothly since you don't have to render out every time you change a MIDI note.

Below Are the Top 8 Best Motherboard for music production

ASUS Prime Z390-A Motherboard LGA1151 B07HCY7K9L

image source: asus.com ASUS Prime Z390-A Motherboard is best suitable for your audio work. It is designed to support intel latest 9th and 8th generation Core processors to maximize connectivity and speed with M. 2, USB 3. 1 Gen2, and ASUS Optimum II for better DRAM overclocking stability. It is redesigned to enable 5-Way Optimization for best performance. This revamped includes the intelligence capability to overclock a CPU-based computation on smart prediction and thermal telemetry. This Motherboard has more focused on power protection.The 5X Protection III provides Hardware-level safeguards with Safe Slot Core, LAN Guard, and Overvoltage Protection provide longevity, reliability. And for Cooling, it has FanXpert 4 with advanced fan control for dynamic system cooling to protect you components from the burn. As discussed earlier, a gaming motherboard is also suitable for audio production, so here 8-channel HD Gaming Audio featuring Realtek ALC887 provides high definition audio codec that gives more power to your better audio recording. It also has Patent-pending Safe Slot Core fortified PCIe slots to prevent damage caused by heavyweight GPUs. Specification - This is ATX Motherboard with Item Dimensions 12.91 x 2.68 x 10.35 inches and Item Weight 2.23 lbs. - It has 4.0 Memory Slots Available with 2400 MHZ. - This Asus Motherboard has LGA 1151 CPU Socket - It comes with PCI-E Graphic Card Interface - About wireless, It has 802.11ac wireless type and total 3 ports

ROG Maximus XIII Hero (WiFi 6E) Z590 LGA 1200

Image Source: rog.asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero motherboard is suitable for your music production as well as this Motherboard comes with the latest technology updates to support 11th Gen Intel Core processors. This Motherboard has an Intel LGA 1200 socket specifically designed to unleash the maximum performance of 11th Gen Intel Core processors. This AI-Enabled Motherboard has all AI-Powered components and features like AI overclocking, AI cooling, AI networking and AI noise cancelation etc. Along with performance, ROG has also more focused on its Power Solution. Its Robust Power Solution is built with the combination of high-powered 14+2 teamed power stages rated for 90 Amps, ProCool II power connectors, MicroFine alloy chokes, and 10K Japanese-made black metallic capacitors. Now To keep your all motherboard component Cool, It's Optimized Thermal Design comes with large VRM heatsinks plus integrated aluminum I/O cover, high-conductivity thermal pad, quad M.2 heatsinks with embedded backplates and ROG Water-Cooling Zone to keep your system cool while you are playing some heavy software for your music production. In Networking, it has high-Performance Onboard WiFi 6E (802.11ax), dual Intel 2.5 Gb Ethernet, and ASUS LANGaurd to give you a better connection experience. Specification - This is ATX Gaming Motherboard with Item Dimensions 14.57 x 12.28 x 4.25 inches and Item Weight 6.69 pounds. - DDR4 Ram Supports with 5333 MHz Memory Speed. - Maximum RAM Memory Supported Size is 128 GB. - It has 4 Memory Slots Available with 5333 MHz. - This Asus Motherboard has LGA 1200 CPU Socket - It comes with PCI-E Graphic Card Interface. - About wireless, It has Onboard WiFi 6E (802.11ax) wireless type.

ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming

image source: ASUS ROG ASUS ROG Strix B550-F is perfectly designed to support Ryzen Series processor. This Motherboard is a very good option if you want to use Ryzen processor for your music production one. Ryzen 5000 & 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen CPUs are compatible with this Asus motherboard. This Motherboard also comes with Robust Power Design. In Power components, this Motherboard has 12 plus 2 DrMOS power stages with high-quality alloy chokes and durable capacitors to provide reliable power for the last AMD high-count-core CPUs. And to Provide Cooling to motherboard components its contains the latest Fanless VRM and chipset heatsinks with ASUS Stack Cool 3plus design to keep your system running reliably under heavy load when you are using heavy software for your music production by enhancing passive cooling capacity for critical onboard components. Actually, we consider the Motherboard that gives the best performance in gaming will also give the best performance in your music production because only gaming application uses the maximum power of Computer in our day to day task rather than any other work we do on Computer. 2.5 Gb LAN with ASUS LANGuard provides you High-performance audio networking if you need to stream your Audio. And For better connectivity with audio and gaming components it supports HDMI 2. 1(4K@60HZ) and DisplayPort 1. 2 output, featuring dual M. 2 slots (NVMe SSD)—one with PCIe 4. 0 x4 connectivity, USB 3. 2 Gen 2 Type-C port, and Thunderbolt 3 header. And Most interestingly for cristal clear Audio, it has AI Noise Cancelling Mic Technology for High fidelity audio from a SupremeFX S1220A codec with DTS Sound Unbound and Sonic Studio III that draws you deeper into the action. And it is also very easy to communicate clearly with ASUS AI Noise Cancelling Mic technology. It has added some ASUS-exclusive Aura Sync RGB lighting, including RGB headers and a Gen 2 addressable RGB header, to attract attention to its colorful RGBbeauty. Specification - This is ATX Gaming Motherboard with Item Dimensions 13.3 x 10.7 x 2.7 inches and Item Weight 2.36 pounds. - Compatible Processors is AMD 3rd Generation Ryzen - DDR4 Ram Supports with 4400 MHz Memory Speed. - Maximum RAM Memory Supported Size is 128 GB. - It has 4 Memory Slots Available with 4400 MHz. - This Asus Motherboard has AMD B550 CPU Socket - It comes with PCIe 4. 0 x4 connectivity Graphic Card Interface. - About Networking, it has 2. 5 Gb LAN with ASUS LANGuard.

ASUS Prime Z590-A LGA 1200 (Intel11th/10th Gen) ATX

ASUS Prime Z590-A motherboard is also can be a good selection for your music production if you want to use an intel processor. Intel LGA 1200 Socket is Designed to unleash the maximum performance of 11th Gen Intel Core processors. This AI Powerd Motherboard is boxed with AI overclocking, AI cooling and AI, noise cancelation technology to provide a good life and great performance on your task. Along with AI it has also Enhanced Power Solution to consume less power and provide long life durability. In Power Solution, it comes with 14+2 DrMOS power stages, ProCool sockets, alloy chokes, and durable capacitors to ensure a stable power supply to the system in the most demanding situations. It comes with a VRM heatsink, PCH heatsink, hybrid fan headers, and Fan Xpert 4 utility which provides better Cooling to your motherboard components while you are doing a heavy task or playing any heavy audio recording or audio editing software. Specification - This is ATX Motherboard with Item Dimensions 14.44 x 14.44 x 11.81 inches and an Item Weight 3.74 pounds. - Compatible Processors is Intel 11th/10th Gen - DDR4 Ram Supports with 5133 MHz Memory Speed. - Maximum RAM Memory Supported Size is 128 GB. - It has 4 Memory Slots Available with 5133 MHz. - This Asus Motherboard has LGA 1200 CPU Socket. - About Networking it has 802.11a/b/g/n/ac, 802.11ax wireless types.

MSI Arsenal Gaming AMD Ryzen 2ND and 3rd Gen

This Motherboard is specially designed for AMD Ryzen Processor. It can Supports 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen/ Ryzen with Radeon Vega Graphics and 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen with Radeon graphics/ Athlon with Radeon Vega Graphics desktop processors for socket AM4. It Can also Supports DDR4 memory up to 4133(OC) MHz. To provide better Cooling to your motherboard components, it has Extended heatsink design. MSI extended PWM heatsink and enhanced circuit design ensure that processors can run full speed with any performance issue. It has PCI-E Steel Armor connector and Turbo M.2 NVMe support, up to 32 Gb/s using PCI-Express Gen3 x4. It is also optimized for Audio for both audio production and gaming audio. MSI Audio Boost systems using premium quality Audio components ensure to deliver the highest sound quality when performing any audio task. Specification - This is ATX Motherboard with Item Dimensions 12 x 9.6 x 2 inches and Item Weight 1.11 pounds. - Compatible Processors are AMD 3rd Generation Ryzen, AMD 2nd Gerenration Ryzen, AMD Athlon. - DDR4 Ram Supports with 2133 MHz Memory Speed. - Maximum RAM Memory Supported Size is 64 GB. - It has 4 Memory Slots Available with 2133 MHz. - This MSI Motherboard has AMD B450 CPU Socket - About Networking it has 802.11a/b/g/n/ac, 802.11ax wireless types.

ASUS Prime Z490-P LGA 1200

If you are planning to buy Motherboard for your intel 10th gen processor to produce Audio, then ASUS Prime Z490-P LGA 1200 can be a better choice for you. ASUS Prime Z490-P supports Intel LGA 1200 CPU Socket that is specifically help to unleash the maximum performance of 10th Gen Intel Core processors. Like other latest Motherboard where enhanced power module is integrated, this Motherboard has also Enhanced Power Solution that contains 10+1 DrMOS power stages, 6-layer PCB, ProCool sockets, alloy chokes and durable capacitors for stable power delivery. Stable Power delivery is the essential thing is to protect your Motherboard from any electric malfunctions. And To keep cool your systems its Comprehensive Cooling systems contains VRM heatsink, PCH heatsink, hybrid fan headers and Fan Xpert 4 to keep your motherboard components always cool. A new feature which I have found here is its Boosted Memory performance. This Motherboard has ASUS OptiMem II proprietary trace layout that allows memories to operate at higher frequencies with lower voltages to maximize system performance. It is integrated with Dual M.2, 1 Gb Ethernet, USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A and Thunderbolt 3 to provide interrupted connection for Faster connectivity. - This is ATX Motherboard with Item Dimensions 12.91 x 10.41 x 2.09 inches and Item Weight 1.6 pounds. - Compatible Processors are 10th Gen Intel® Core™i9/i7 CPUs support 2933/2800/2666/2400/2133 natively. - DDR4 Ram Supports with 4600 MHz Memory Speed. - Maximum RAM Memory Supported Size is 128 GB. - It has 4 Memory Slots Available with 4600 MHz. - This ASUS Motherboard has LGA 1200 CPU Socket.

MSI Z390-A PRO LGA1151

MSI Z390-A PRO LGA1151 motherboard is a little bit old product which was first appeared in 2018, but we are now in 2021. But Still this Motherboard is a good choice if you are not planning to go for 10th gen processor. Process this Motherboard can supports are 9th i9-9900K, i7-9700K, i5-9600K and 8th Generation Intel Core / Pentium Gold / Celeron processors. It comes with CPU Socket LGA 1151. This Motherboard Supports dual channel ddr4 memory which memory speed can go up to 4400 MHz. This MSI motherboard easily windows 10 64-bit operating system. The better connection has Intel turbo USB 3.1 gen2 that ensures an uninterrupted connection with more stability and fastest USB speeds. And its enhanced Multi-GPU armor PCI-e slots Support 2-way and crossfire for better performance. To provide better Cooling to your motherboard components, it comes with extended msi PWM and enhanced circuit design which ensures in high-end processing, your processors run in full speed without any lag or issue. - This is ATX Motherboard with Item Dimensions 12 x 9.6 x 1.2 inches and Item Weight 3.53 ounces. - Compatible Processors are 9th i9-9900K, i7-9700K, i5-9600K and 8th Generation Intel Core / Pentium Gold / Celeron. - DDR4 Ram Supports with 4400 MHz Memory Speed. - Maximum RAM Memory Supported Size is 64 GB. - It has 4 Memory Slots Available with 4400 MHz. - This Asus Motherboard has LGA 1151 CPU Socket and total 6 USB Ports - About Networking, it has 802.11a/b/g/n/ac wireless types.

GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO

GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO Motherboard is also first appeared in 2018 but still in 2021, this processor have good demand because of its quality. And on Amazon it has approx 4.6 public rating that is very decent. Now come to our topic like you are looking for Motherboard for your music production that supports intel processor. So this Motherboard is also a better option for you. In low price, this is very good option for you. GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO Supports 8th and 9th Generation Intel Core processors and Dual channel non-ECC unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs RAM. To Enhanced Power Solution it has 12+1 phases digital VRM solution with DrMOS and to provide Cooling to motherboard components. It comes with an advanced thermal design with multi cuts heatsinks and heat pipes to distribute temperature across. Smart fan 5 features are here with multiple temperature sensors and hybrid fan headers with a fan stop facility. In Wireless connectivity technology, it has Bluetooth 5 Onboard Intel CNVi 802.11AC 2x2 wave 2 Wi-Fi, and for Better Quality audio, it comes with Alc1220 vb enhance 114db(rear)/ 110db(front) SNR in microphone with WIMA audio capacitors. - This is ATX Motherboard with Item Dimensions 13.18 x 10.62 x 3.14 inches and Item Weight 3.09 lbs. - Compatible Processors are 8th Generation Intel Core. - DDR4 Ram Supports with 4400 MHz Memory Speed. - It has 4.0 Memory Slots Available with 4400 MHz. - This GIGABYTE Mtoherboard has LGA 1151 CPU Socket. - About Networking, it has Intel CNVi 802.11AC 2x2 wave 2 Wi-Fi wireless types. Read the full article

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