#this is what having no tentoorose big finish audios does to me

[padfootswhiskers]

i saw a bbc sherlock reel after years today and i can't stop thinking about a no voldemort au where a broke and disowned sirius has to room with lily's weird potions genius friend and then they eventually start solving crimes together. anyway i'm slowly going insane

[metacrisisdoctor]

the idea that mia wouldn't know that the doctor is an alien makes no sense to me. if you look at the canon tentoorose stuff we have, there is no way she wouldn't know.

1. rose works for torchwood in s4. she isn't a teacher or something. her work is directly tied to aliens.

2. in the big finish tentoo & jackie audios (which are fantastic!) the doctor works for unit and he has his own lab where he is growing the new tardis. while he says that it is growing slower than expected, it is still growing.

3. also in the audios it is established that rose and the doctor work together. that they continue to save the world and do what they have always done - just "before breakfast" as jackie says. yes, they live an "ordinary" day to day life, but it is not the ordinary life people seem to imagine when it comes to them. it's ordinary in relation to someone who isn't them.

4. in the comic empire of the wolf rose tells mia not to go to a cyber implant kiosk. there are zeppelins in the sky. mia doesn't seem particularly phased that her mother traveled between dimensions/back in time either.

pete, her grandfather, is head of torchwood. there is logistically no way mia does not know.

but all of that aside, i can't imagine the doctor and rose being dishonest to their daughter about how they met or about their lives. i can't imagine the doctor not wanting to share his history and culture with her. he teaches her gallifreyian, they probably have a psychic connection since she was born or even before.

mia absolutely grows up knowing exactly who her father is and who she is as well. maybe all the torchwood babies go to school together or something for safety, but there is no way that she doesn't know.

and i think when the tardis is finished growing she immediately knows how to drive it better than the doctor ever has, because she grew up with her and watched her grow while sitting on her dad's lap.

[metacrisisdoctor]

What's the turning of the tides?

i've never heard of it.

It sounds godawful though.

it's a short story that jenny colgan wrote in 2019 for an anthology book which featured stories about each doctor and their companions. she wrote a story about tentoo and rose where rose is pregnant and some weird shit is happening so someone asked for the doctor and she says he isn't there. then it does weird flashback type things where she tells him to choose a name bc she can't call him doctor and compares it to picking a name for a dog. she shoots all his choices until he chooses "corin" and then he goes by that.

in their time in pw (two years iirc) they moved to a small town and live on a quiet street. corin is a family practioner (a doctor hahahahha right?) and rose is going to school to get a diploma in child care???

in the end idk whatever smth is happening and rose is yelling at him because he can't remember much??? about being the doctor and these aliens??? but thennnn she gives birth to their baby and she has an epiphany that even tho corin is a different man she has fallen in love with him. after she gives birth. she realizes... After..

and keep in mind this stripes rose of being defender of the earth entirely.

it's a complete insult not just to tentoo, who is very adamant about being the doctor, just lets rose walk all over him- but also to rose and to her development AND HER CHARACTER AS A KIND PERSON.

it's just so bad.

the story isn't canon to me because canon on doctor who is really tricky. nothing is really FULLY SET canon except things confirmed by the show (essentially, the eighth doctor made big finish canon when he mentioned charley before the 50th) but comics and books are sort of... wavy canon because the bbc does not confirm or deny anything.

now, to me canon lies with rtd when it comes to tentoorose. they're his characters. his say is the truth. all rtd has ever said is that they're happy and that in his head they have the new tardis. ("the doctor in the tardis. as it should be."

(and their scrapped spin off called "earth defense" which eventually became torchwood so we can assume they work for unit/torchwood in rtd's mind)

this story goes against these things.

what i know is jenny colgan joked that rtd is not allowed to read tot because it would upset him. aka she knew it was bad and he was not at all invovled in the process of it's creation so: it's simply not canon.

before the short story big finish did two tentoo audios set a year after journey's end. in these tentoo works for unit as a scientific whatever thing, you know. and he and rose are in an established relationship. the baby tardis is growing in his lab. they're told in the pov that jackie is calling a friend and it's so nice to hear about it from jackie herself. ok long story short, tentoo blows up big ben and then gets someoen arrested. jackie gets pissed off and feels like the real doctor wouldn't do that (lmfao!) and jackie also expresses being afraid that when the tardis grows he'll leave rose behind or they'll disappear again. the first one ends with them in a really bad place and not speaking.

the second audio starts with jackie talking about how she and the doctor tried to act normal but they kept arguing (jackie yelling at him lol) and so rose and pete decided to put them on a zeppelin together to work it out, essentially parent trap them into talking.

a lot of stuff happens and basically the zeppelin starts to crash and he calls unit and tells them to get everyone off the bridge etc and so this makes jackie realize that she always knew deep down he was still the doctor and that he was still helping people. they're about to die together and he breaks down and cries telling her he knows he messed up (blew up big ben and other things) and that he thinks he hates him and she says that she could never hate him and that he made their lives better etc. and he tells her he loves rose and that he loves her and how he realizes he's about to die and looks so scared and then he tells jackie they should jump before they crash into the bridge and jackie realizes that he is LITERALLY the doctor and that's essentially how it ends!

so these stories obviously do not align! big finish is canon, better, and came out FIRST. to boot RTD HAD APPROVED THESE STORIES, and they're written by someone who wrote on the sarah jane adventures which rtd also ran, which makes them canon because rtd approved them and they go with his ideas!

but for SOME reason. some fans decide to accept corin as canon instead of big finish. and it drives me INSANE. like why did you just read this painfully ooc and disrespectful story and just say "yeah, i believe this." what little understanding of who ROSE is do you even have to think this would be how it goes and how little respect you have for the doctor if you think he would let rose decide who he is or isn't for him? nahhhhhhhhh

anyway in 2021 there was a tentoo comic that came out that is also that sort of canon (but approved by chibnall who was showrunner then) and in this comic tentoo goes by john smith and the comics solidifies multiple times that he is the doctor. he and rose are happily married and have a daughter named mia. this story has similar bones to tot but it much more tender and respectful and overall very pleasing. so even though it's probably not meant to tie into the big finish audios, most of us think it's good enough that we accept it as a continuation.

anywy thanks for asking i needed to rant about something 😩