#we as an audience see joel as a morally grey character who is sympathetic and relearning how to love

[assiraphales]

Something interesting Ive noticed, is that a lot if what craig/neil/ususlly og game voice actors, say things about the show and characters that they didnt actually put on screen.

Like saying ellie has a violent heart when she has cried everytime shes involved in violence and after stabbing David literally screamed and cries in terror when joel gently grabs her. Or that Joel who is not a cannibal and not a pedophile is like david when the actual episode goes out of its way to make sure you know that their actions and intentions make them complete opposites.

Like it honestly feels like they know that these are opinions that formed from making tlou2. But beacuse none of those are in the show they have to say it in the extra content and explain it. Like so much of what theyve talked about isnt rhe same characters on screen.

Like they want to push tlou 2 narrative but know general audiences will not be receptive to those ideas. So they stretch the truth in off show content to justify their opinions.

Its so dumb. The show they made does not match the narrative they wanted to push and I only wonder how much behind the scenes talks went on that may have scrapped them actually doing those things.

Like Bruce for the og game is a big reason Neil dropped a ton of dumb plots and I wonder how much of that happened with other persons including cast members played a similar role. But they know only dedicated typically game fans will watch their off show content so thats where they plug their rejected interpretations and can pretend its canon.

Pedros out there very diplomatically discussing the show, talking about how he wanted to show a softer side of joel that archtypes like him dont usually get so you see more of his love and humanity. And then you got those bozos on their whatever podcast going "yeah joel and the rapist are parallels basically (henry was joels parallel you bongos)"

no literally. literally!!!!!

[amosnaomi]

I have no doubt the tlou tv show will at the very least be extremely watchable. And I am throughly expecting it to be very good. I LOVE when adaptations make interesting and nuanced changes-This has the room to do that! My one prediction is that Pedro’s Joel will be less morally grey than he is in the game. Because we play as Joel it makes it easier to sympathize with him when he does. Very terrible things to put it lightly. But that self insert aspect won’t be present in the show. So they might have to tone it down a bit.

i am sooo with you, i love when adaptations make interesting choices to fit the medium!!!

i actually feel like they won't make him less morally grey--tv is one of the mediums that has embraced the antihero protagonist very strongly in the last decade. also, we played as abby in tlou2 and it didn't make her more sympathetic to the majority of the audience, people haaaated her (mostly men who hate women but yeah). i feel like they could really pull off an amos 2.0 (if you watched the expanse, speaking of sexy adaption choices), aka someone who can do really terrible things not because they're evil, but because they simply have the capability--just as they have the capability for good too. all the reviews said character depth/relationships were the strongest so!!!! we'll have to see :)