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#where I had to make the relationship between Heaven and God and cambion a lot more complex then just oh this side bad this side good
poisonheiress · 3 months
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Someone needs to say it: The "Heaven is actually bad" plot line that Hazbin is based around is useless when you spend more then 2 minutes thinking about Vivzie's Hell and her characters.
Besides it being much too early for this idea, the revelation that Heaven or at least the beings running it aren't good people has little to no impact when the people who are being harmed by this are all horrible people. Stay with me here. None of these people are people who were unfairly brought into hell and we are never ever introduced to someone who was either. Why should we care that Heaven is "evil" and blocking redemption when all the sinners in hell we see are the worst of the worst who would have never gotten in even if it was fair.
For the "Heaven is bad" plot line to actually work, you need people who were just one sin away from Heaven, who would've gotten into Heaven if circumstance hadn't forced them down a path that stole it from them. You need characters who aren't comedic villains but land in the middle of morally grey. Those who deserved to be in Heaven but because Heaven refused to consider their circumstances, they were tossed to burn with people much worse than them. Those are the people who should be your main cast cause those are the people who would actually be impacted by Heaven being bad/ Heaven lying.
Angel dust, for all his trauma, was still part of the mafia and likely had killed people before (showing to almost take joy in it). Husk became an overlord and gambled souls, so he had to have had blood on his hands before hell. Alastor is a serial killer, and the list goes on and on. Sure, these characters are (somewhat) interesting, but they don't make for good characters to have when the key plot line is that Heaven is a scam. Even if that fact is true, none of them were ever going to get there in the first place and this is something we also se in every single background sinner shown in Hell too. They were never close to getting there, so why would they or we care that Heaven is bad when all sinners are shown to be horrific people who are at best in the dark grey area of morality.
If you look at it from the "angel's are unfairly killing sinners" route, it still doesn't work. If the angels are killing them, what makes it different then the sinner on sinner violence that hell is full off? Why is them dying by angels this bad thing when they are just as likely if not 10x times more likely to get knifed in the back by other sinners in hell the other 364 days, especially when everyone here apparently is just as horrible as the next person. You cannot condemn the angels for killing demons and then make a joke of out sinners killing each other and never show sinners who doesn't want to kill people. Life either matters or it doesn't and when the main cast doesn't even show a care for life (outside of Charlie's who's entire flaw is her naivety), why should the audience.
On top of that, Vivzie's whole overpopulation aspect and the Heaven plot line would connect better if she actually had people like those I mentioned above, people who stole to survive but got tossed out cause stealing is technically wrong, people who killed another to protect someone else but were still sent to hell because even though they saved that person's life that person wasn't supposed to be saved, people who passively engaged in sins but never really did anything harmful under them. This would add into how Hell is so overpopulated and highlight why its so important that Heaven is evil/ why Charlie's plan isn't just a naive pathetic fever dream.
In the end, Vivzie should have never made Heaven the central plot of this show nor tried to assign this blatant good vs evil to that conflict. Neither her characters nor her writing choices are able to respond to this conflict in a way that will end or even tell the story in a satisfactory manner.
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Fan Fics
I have been focusing on my fanfictions and I wanted to introduce them to you. They are all long multi-chapter series fics. You can find them all on AO3: https://archiveofourown.org/users/TruthfulNomad
I have three Supernatural fics, one Hobbit fic, and two crossovers. One is a Supernatural/Hobbit crossover and the other is a dystopian themed multi-fandom fic with Supernatural/Hobbit/Star Trek DS9, TNG, and VOY, X-files, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 
Below is a short summary of the fic along with a short description of each pairing involved in each fic. They are all Castiel/Hannah focused, of course, but there are a lot of other pairings in each one as well. Please read the AO3 tags as all my fics tend to be dark themed and although most are still in the beginning stages, they usually get pretty violent and disturbing.
Supernatural fics
Chosen
This is a complete rewrite of the show starting with season one. It’s AU in some big ways. It starts with Sam and Dean shortly after they left Stanford after Jess’s death. Along the way, they run into Castiel (almost literally since he was laying in the middle of the highway). They also meet up with Charlie who in this fic, is Bobby’s daughter and was raised as Sam and Dean’s little cousin. Castiel explains that a renegade angel has released Lucifer and some demons from hell and started the apocalypse. Meanwhile, Jo Harvelle runs into the renegade angel who happens to be Hannah who had been set up by Raphael and is now on the run from heaven. Jo meets with Eileen Leahy and Meg. Both groups discover that it’s not just heaven and hell, but other realms that are kickstarting their own apocalypses and need champions. The Greek gods, the Norse gods, the Celts, Egyptians, Aztecs, and Hindu gods all have a stake in these characters.
Pairings
Castiel and Hannah: Castiel and Hannah start off as enemies in this one. Hannah is the renegade angel and Castiel was sent to find and kill her. Castiel’s world gets turned around when he realizes that heaven is at the center of a conspiracy scandal and that Hannah was the one who was betrayed. 
Dean/Jo: Jo and Dean start out as adversaries. At the time, Jo is dating the hunter Gordon Walker, who turns out to have some ulterior motives. But Jo has sworn to protect Hannah from the angels which puts her in conflict with Castiel and with the Winchesters. 
Sam/Eileen: Eileen has allied herself with Jo and Hannah and her knowledge of witchcraft makes Sam uncomfortable. But she is a well-traveled hunter with extensive knowledge of lore and this intrigues Sam. But Sam is still grieving for Jess and is reluctant to be in another relationship.
Crowley/Meg: Meg starts out as a spy. She allies herself with Jo and Hannah and is spying for Lucifer, but she develops a bond for the women she’s supposed to be undermining. Crowley is out for himself and doesn’t want the apocalypse to happen so he helps the Winchesters. Crowley and Meg start out as bitter enemies, both willing to torture and kill the other. 
Charlie/Anna/Rowena: Charlie encounters the fallen angel Anna after she and Castiel were left in the motel while the Winchesters went to investigate a crime. Anna doesn’t know she’s an angel and doesn’t know what has drawn her to this town. Later, after meeting up with Jo’s team, Charlie becomes acquainted with Rowena.
Maine Chronicles
This story takes place sometime in season 14. It’s AU, as are all of my fics. In this fic, the empty is releasing angels and demons because it’s becoming unstable. Many old enemies and friends are returning to Earth. The Winchesters relocate to another bunker deep in the woods of Maine, but when they do, they fall victim to something strange that’s happening in the small town. All the women in town are getting pregnant. The Winchesters suspect supernatural involvement, especially when Hannah, Jo, Eileen, and later, Meg all fall victim to this town’s plight. 
Pairings
Castiel and Hannah: Castiel and Hannah have been together ever since she returned from the empty. Hannah is the first victim of this town and since angels aren’t supposed to be able to get pregnant, they wonder what magical forces might be at work here. Especially since Hannah begins having visions and seeing spirits. There’s evidence that Hannah has been in this town before in the past, and that her memory has been tampered with.
Dean/Jo: Jo comes back to life mysteriously. But she doesn’t exactly come back normal. She and Dean are together at the beginning of the story but she hasn’t told him everything about how long she’s really been back, or what she really is. She didn’t come back human.
Jo/Charlie: Charlie learns about Jo’s secret and the two are trying to keep it from Dean. The two begin to get closer and form a relationship which they also keep secret from Dean, at least at first. 
Sam/Eileen/Gabriel/Rowena: Eileen also returned to life not quite human, but she is only now becoming aware of it. She’s developing some strange symptoms. She and Sam are together, but when Gabriel arrives wanting protection from Loki whom he dumped after the Asmodeus incident, he and Sam start having feelings for one another. This results in a threesome with some supernatural consequences. Later, Rowena arrives and the four of them get together.
Crowley/Meg: Meg arrives first, with Jesse the cambion. Then Crowley arrives, having been deposed as king of hell. He reveals that he knows a little about Meg’s past as a demon and as a human and that it’s connected with this town and with Hannah’s visions. The two start out as adversaries that are reluctantly forced to work together, as Crowley has an interest in Jesse, hoping he can use the cambion to get his position back in hell.
Claire/Kaia: Claire is de-aged in this fic and is a minor. Castiel gets custody of her but the law is watching them closely because he’s being accused of abandoning her. Claire has some behavioral problems and she and Hannah butt heads. Kaia is a teen runaway whose powers have kept her on the run. Charlie takes her in and petitions to adopt her.
Jack/Jesse: Jack is going to high school. Since the law is watching Castiel so closely, he is unable to live in the bunker with the Winchesters. He and Hannah have their own house in an abandoned property. Jack lives with them and is trying to learn how to be a human teenage boy, even though he’s only 2. Jesse arrives with Meg who has been looking after him so the two start going to school together.
Bunker Pack
Castiel is on a mission to save the angels from extinction. This fic takes place in season 13. Apocalypse Charlie arrives with three of her most trusted fellow resistance leaders. Jo Harvelle and Eileen Leahy have suffered at the hands of Michael’s angels. And Hannah, who betrayed Raphael to help the humans, has developed a deep hatred for her own kind. These women are nothing like their real-world counterparts. They have been hardened by the harsh realities of their world. Castiel finds Gabriel and the two devise a plan to put the remaining angels into a safe home situation and to lockdown heaven. The plan involves a lot of ingredients and a lot of sacrifices. 
Castiel and Hannah: Hannah is a shell of what her real-world counterpart was. She has suffered and has some very bad PTSD. She and Castiel begin a very strained relationship because she has trouble trusting him, especially because she has had a run-in with his Apocalypse world counterpart. She is reluctant to help the angels in any way. Castiel is trying to help her heal and learn to trust again.
Dean/Jo: Jo and Dean butt heads from the beginning. They have a few one night stands usually followed by massive blow out fights. 
Sam/Eileen: Sam is worried about getting involved with Eileen because he is afraid of losing her. Eileen has had some trauma of her own but she seems to be handling it differently than Hannah and Jo. 
Charlie/Claire: Charlie meets Claire in the bunker and lets her tag along with them, much to Dean’s chagrin. Dean doesn’t want Claire involved in their plans in any way. But Claire proves herself and she and the leader of the resistance form a special bond.
Jack/Annika (OC): Annika is a Nephilim and Gabriel’s secret daughter. She and Jack meet later when Sam and Castiel take her to the apocalypse world where Jack is trapped.
Hobbit fics
Kings and Masters
Takes place after the battle of the five armies. In the aftermath of the battle, Thorin and his nephews are injured and take refuge in a private home owned by the Laketown master. Fili and Kili are recovering from serious injuries and are both shell shocked from all they had gone through. While with the master, they befriend two of his servants whose past seems mysterious. It becomes clear that the master might be guilty of abusing these two servants of his. 
Fili/Brenna (OC): Fili is recovering from a back injury that has left him paralyzed. His morale is low and he is having a hard time coping with the prospect of having a permanent disability. Brenna is a brash young woman. She’s one of the two servants living in the masters home. She is a Gnome from the far north of Middle Earth. 
Kili/Asphodel (OC): Kili is dealing with his own trauma and has developed a breathing problem because of his injury. He befriends the hobbit girl who has been their nurse while they recover. But he knows the dwarves would never accept their relationship. And when it is discovered that the girl is actually Bilbo’s niece, it seems their love is destined to end in heartbreak.
Crossovers
Of Wings and Beards
(SPN/Hobbit)
Four paths across middle earth begin to intersect. This takes place between season 7 and 8, after Castiel’s incident with the Leviathans. Instead of going to purgatory, they all end up in Middle Earth. Meanwhile, Fili and Kili are left homeless orphans after orcs destroyed their village. They embark on a journey with Thorin in hopes of finding a new home.
Castiel and Hannah: Castiel arrives in Middle Earth with no memory of who he is. He meets Hannah, who has been trapped in Middle Earth ever since the civil war with Raphael. Hannah was part of Raphael’s army against Castiel, but when she tried to defect from Raphael, he banished her to Middle Earth. They begin their alliance on board a cargo ship where they are abused by the crew.
Crowley/Meg: Crowley and Meg had disappeared during the battle with Dick Roman, Crowley had kidnapped her and intended to return to hell to torture her but due to leviathan interfearance, their ‘route to hell’ was redirected and they became trapped in Middle Earth. They meet up with Castiel and Hannah after boarding the cargo ship they were on. Crowley is still bent on torturing Meg and Meg still plans to stab him in the face but for now, they are forced to work together to get out of Middle Earth and to help Castiel and Hannah. Through their traveling together, they begin to get closer.
Dean/Jo: Dean and Sam were both blasted into Middle Earth after defeating Dick Roman. They arrived in Rohan where they are escorted to Edoras by the Rohirrim. There, they discover Jo Harvelle who was brought back to life by Osiris but dropped off in Middle Earth. She has been working as a bar maiden in Rohan ever since.
Sam/Eileen: Eileen is another bar maiden and she and Jo are very close. Sam has never met Eileen at this point, but she was blasted to Middle Earth after a run in with some fairies. 
Kili/Asphodel: Kili meets Asphodel while he and his brother are recovering in the Shire. Asphodel and her mother Azalea join the dwarves on their search for a home, along with Bilbo.
Fili/Brenna: the dwarves and Hobbits meet Brenna and her mother Bringen after they are captured by slave mongers and sold to a cargo vessel (the same one that Castiel and Hannah had escaped from not long before). 
Charlie/Dorothy/Gilda: This is an AU in which instead of Dorothy being released from the MOL bunker, she was released by Charlie accidentally, along with the witch. The two of them tried to return to Oz but ended up in Middle Earth instead and Charlie meets Gilda the fairy. Who was exiled there from the fairy realm.
Brave new worlds
(SPN, Hobbit, X-files, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Star Trek TNG, DS9, VOY)
End of season 14. Castiel dies and goes back to the empty where he is woken up by Billie. Billie explains that Chuck has destroyed the fabric of the universe and has let multiple universes interact, causing a devastating reaction. Billie sends Castiel, Jack, and the Winchesters back to Earth, along with a few friends, in order to try to fix things. Meanwhile, on this botched planet, Captain Picard is living with Captain Janeway, Kira Nerys and other remnants of their crews on an Earth that has been devastated by the Dominion and the Borg. In this changed timeline, the Dominion won the war and destroyed the federation leaving Earth a desolate post-apocalypse world. Inhabitants from Middle Earth and other ‘Earths” are finding themselves in this world. This is a collection of one-shots, short ficts, and drabbles centered around this dystopian theme.
Castiel and Hannah: Hannah is happy to see Castiel after he brought her back from the empty but she is sad to see the state of the world after she left it. She reunites with her old vessel, Caroline and joins Castiel and Jack.
Dean/Jo: Dean is angry at Castiel after Cas brought all these angels and demons back from the empty but he is happy to see Jo and Eileen were revived from heaven in the process.
Sam/Eileen: Sam is happy to see Eileen again 
Crowley/Meg: Crowley and Meg were both revived from the empty. Meg immediately wants to kill Crowley for their past and is angry to discover that he’s been working with the Winchesters up until his own death. She also finds herself in a rivalry with Hannah over Castiel.
Angel/Buffy: In Buffy’s world, this apocalypse happened shortly after the destruction of Sunnydale. She reunited with Angel and she and Willow set out to rid the world of vampires once and for all.
Charlie/Willow: Willow used her magic to track vampires across the country while the world around them fell apart. 
Mulder/Scully: Mulder and Scully’s world ended in season 7 when the syndicate helped launch a few nuclear weapons in order to distract the world from the alien invasion.
Picard/Crusher: The Enterprise was in the frontlines in the defense against Earth. Earth fell to the Dominion and the enterprise was destroyed. Picard, Crusher, Troi, and Riker were in an escape pod and they have been living on this devastated Earth ever since.
Kira/Odo: After the dominion won, they occupied Bajor and Kira and Odo tried to fight back but they left to help Dax and Bashir retake Earth and ended up trapped on the planet along with many others.
Janeway/Chakotay: Voyager arrived back in the alpha quadrant only to find the federation destroyed. 
Tom/B’Elanna/Jadzia Dax/Bashir/Riker/Troi:  After the small band of humans are forced to live in the cave, relationships begin to form. Riker and Troi are back together, Tom and B’Elanna are together, and Dax and Bashir recently got together after she was separated from Worf who is presumed to be dead along with the rest of the Defiant crew. Then, Dax, Troi, and B’Elanna started seeing each other and it is going to evolve slowly into a six part poly ship.
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