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i follow some very few fanfic prompt blogs for my very specific taste in fanfiction, and i remember once one of those blogs created a prompt month (like wh/umptober or whatever, but i think it was for hurt/comfort specifically) and they said that works that romanticized incest and pedophilia were not allowed. and ofc they got several anon asks of little pissy proshits who yelled "IT'S FICTION, IT'S NOT REAL, WHY ARE YOU OPPRESSING ART!!!"
like damn, why is wanting your space free from gross shit such a controversial take. why won't you proshits just unfollow that blog then. jesus christ.
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A warning real quick, I'm going to share one of my experiences from being groomed as a child for this post.
I've seen people use the excuse for groomers by people in proship spaces that "they said they hate kids so how could they be a predator?" as some supposed "gotcha!" whenever creepy or inappropriate behavior is brought to light, but I think back to one of my own groomers who claimed he hated children, and he only dated me when he was in his mid 20s and I was a preteen because he "saw me as a person and not a kid" (Which was a lie, he obviously didn't even see me as a person but rather a sexual object). He constantly used it to cover his ass as an excuse but it didn't make him less of a pedophile who groomed me. He was even in prison before for charges concerning grooming other preteens, still he said he "hated" kids despite lusting after them constantly.
Besides. If you hate kids I'm assuming you'll care less about how adults sexually abusing them harms them from what I've seen. Quit defending groomers like reasonable logic somehow applies to them.
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things that are responsible for grooming, according to proshits: - parents giving their children some privacy/not constantly monitoring every single thing they do online - "stupid kiddos" "invading adult spaces" - the victim, for allowing themselves to be groomed - candy things that are not responsible for grooming, according to proshits: - media depicting abusive/pedophilic relationships as sexy, desirable, and/or healthy - groomers, half the time
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daily clicks for palestine
donate to feed refugees in rafah
spreadsheet of gofundmes to evacuate families
fundraiser for esims for gaza
orgs to donate to
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Proshippers always use the "It's just fiction/a drawing" excuse, but if you ask if that means racist caricatures should be allowed in media, two things either happen - they dodge the question and backtrack on their point, or become mask off racist and just say "yes, that's fine since it's fictional". As much as they compare anyone against glorifying gross things in fiction to bigots, it seems to mostly be projection with how they act about these subjects.
If you think people of color don't have a right to be upset about racism being shown in media because "it's just fiction", congratulations, you're just racist. There's no way to defend that viewpoint without being racist about it.
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fandom spaces are often "safe spaces" or a form of escapism from the cruel world.
but imagine you're an abuse victim/survivor, and you see the fandom sexualizing and/or romanticizing abusive relationships, including incestuous and pedophilic relationships.
imagine you're a child or a teenager and you constantly see art or fanfiction sexualizing a young character.
imagine you're a black person and you see how the fandom treats the black characters. either by calling them "boring", hating on them, or ignoring them altogether. you also notice romantic pairings involving black characters rarely receive attention from fans.
imagine you're a fat person and the fandom is constantly drawing a fat character skinny, or they make fat jokes about the character.
imagine you're latine and you're often sexualized and/or you're seen as aggressive. especially if you're a latina woman.
imagine you're disabled (mentally, physically, intelectually etc.) and the disabled character is either grossly infantilized or demonized. of course, this treatment depends as there are multiple disabilities out there, but overall they're rarely treated with respect.
imagine you're aspec and the aspec character's identity is erased for the sake of romance and sex.
of course, there are many other examples to be listed here (feel free to add if you want). but the only ppl who feel safe in fandoms are white adults. then you treat these groups like they're "puritans" who hate fun.
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Took a long break from here and came back to sexual harassment in my inbox from proshippers. Can't say I'm surprised they decide to send vile anons when I'm inactive, honestly. They're gross AND cowards apparently.
But they'll probably just pat each other on the back on how sending detailed asks about the loli porn they're gonna make just to make a queer CSA victim uncomfortable still somehow makes them the "good guys" and not reactionary bigots if I know how they are at this point. 🤷
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"Antis need to realise that the internet is not a safe space; it never has been, and it never will be"
What a bunch of cynical jerks. So because the internet is currently hellishly unsafe, we should all just let it be that way forever, huh?
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some offense to that person but you're shocked that the annoyingly white liberal fanfiction website that insists racism and pedo content is freedom speech, with members of the board that are so sinophobic an asian person having an opinion sends them into nuclear defense mode, and is like 77% white is.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................zionist? we're at the point where u shouldnt be like omg the devils sacrament is backing a genocide i can't believe i volunteered here like why tf were u volunteering at the devils sacrament at the first place? like you should put the pieces together and figure out u are indeed at the devils sacrament
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The "fiction and reality are completely separate" mindset proshippers have is so ridiculous and funny to me. Like, wow, I had no clue every fictional work or media just randomly spawned into existence one day, and apparently weren't written by actual people who often create media to portray their personal ideals and opinions! (Sarcasm)
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Do you uh, not understand proship is just a mentality/ideology of being against harassment and censorship even if you vehemently dislike and find certain fictional things gross, and not "I write or create stuff that depicts taboo things"...?
"Anti harassment" my ass.
Proshippers sexualize things they shouldn't
I don't mind taboo topics in media as long as it's not being put in a "good" light (rape, pedophilia, etc)
Stop lying and piss off
Edit: you also didn't read shit I've put in my pinned and it shows
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just got a second official warning for my use of "from the river to the sea, palestine will be free" on the OTW volunteer slack
people are also currently asking board to ban saying that the founding of israel was colonialism—equating this to saying racial slurs—and were complaining about my status back when it was "palestine will be free", too
suffice to say, fuck that place, don't give the OTW your money, and don't fucking volunteer there
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(the second screenshot is from the warning I got a few days ago)
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i think when someone replies to the thought of "your triggers don't get to determine the kind of art other people make" with "maybe not pedophilia and incest though" maybe they are not talking about the controversial novel "lolita" or anything else with "dark themes that may make you feel uncomfortable" and are in fact talking about the people online that write thousands upon thousands of words about fictional kids being abused purely for fun and pleasure. like i dunno. uncomfortable themes have a place in something with good writing, sure. but maybe i'm tired of seeing this fucking "let people write what they want to write uwu" type bullshit post every other day, even if the OP means well. no one on fucking ao3 is vladimir nabokov. let's be honest
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Hey do you think you could like.. ask @proshippers-are-very-headache (did I get that right?) if they blocked me? They disappeared from my following list a little while ago so I figured they probably deactivated or something but you recently reblogged one of their posts and their blog just won't load for me. If they do have me blocked I wonder how that happened lol
I follow them but I don't know them personally (or you), I'm sorry but I don't think I'm comfortable reaching out to them about it.
I'll post this ask anyways in case it was a mistake. But I'd rather not get in the middle of potential drama.
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being against harassment=/=proshipper
exactly EXACTLY THANK YOU FOR BEING BASED
Of course! I put that in my bio since proshippers are no strangers to harassing people who don't agree with them, despite the attempt to change the definition of proshipper from "problematic shipper" (which is the original definition, or at least what was popular for the definition when I was unfortunately involved in those groups) to "anti harassment against ships".
I'm staunchly against harassing people, I prefer to criticize from my own blog and block and report the more harmful blogs. Harassment is more likely to get you banned, anyways. But knowing this doesn't automatically make me a proshipper, obviously. I think only proshippers think that, and even still...obviously it isn't even true for most of them.
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If your idea of censorship is people going "hey maybe you shouldn't be going around calling incest and pedophilia hot" then you need to do some serious self reflecting. You guys don't care about censorship y'all just want an excuse to spread your gross content around with no consequences.
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“There’s no logical reason as to why incest is bad”
IT IS INHERENTLY ABUSIVE.
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