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the underworld in a nutshell

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How can I greet the world with open arms in these conditions

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shout out to tiresias for not even mentioning helios' cows

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"I see a song of past romance" = sirens, maybe song 21???

"I see the sacrifice of man" = if he's seeing events chronologically, it's the sacrifice of 6 men to get past scylla, so song 23= scylla

"I see portrayals of betrayals" = could be eurylochus but because jorge is a monster (/j) it could be odysseus betraying the crew by sacrificing them (this feels like either something in scylla or mutiny)

"And a brother's final stand"= definitely odysseus killing eurylochus in mutiny

I don't think there will be more than one song dedicated to the sirens, so maybe circe will make a comeback

But hey that's just a theory

What do you think song 21 and 22 are about??

Ooo! Okay! So! (I’m gonna put these in order of what I think most likely to unlikely but a possiblity)

I think the songs will be the cows. In the Odyssey, Odysseus and his crew stop on an island that is home to the cows of Helios. They are warned not to eat or touch any of them, in order to avoid Helios’ wrath. In the Odysseus, the men kinda ignore the warning, and eat them anyways, thus drawing the wrath of Helios, who asks Zeus to push them (thunder bringer?)

Now, it’s possible that the cows won’t happen in those two songs, and that maybe it will happen in mutiny? This is because in the Odyssey they pass Scylla before the cow island? But who knows, Jay might move around the order. In any case I still feel it will be included in the musical.

Now, another plot point from the Odyssey is the sirens, which could plausibly be the two songs, however, I think Jay in an old video said that he would not have the sirens in Epic? (Correct me if I’m wrong y’all).

Beyond those two things though, I’m not super sure. There is a slim chance that it could be the Phaenacians? I’m not sure that we will see them though, particularly because it would be an odd spot to put that plot point, because Odysseus in the Odyssey doesn’t reach them until after Calypso’s island (in the Odyssey we meet them closer to the start and Odysseus recounts his journey up to that point, but Epic is taking a different approach to the plot/time line.

Another thing that happens in the Odyssey is that they take a pit stop back at Circe’s island after the underworld, so that’s another possibility?

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Odysseus didn't even have to kill the cyclops to avoid Poseidon's wrath.

All he had to do was not give Polyphemus his name and address. That's it.

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*through tears* I am the monster *sobs* *hics* rawr rawr *gasp* *sob* rawr *scream of agony*

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WARNING SPOILERS FOR UNDERWORLD OH MY GOD W H A T

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Tiresias: i see a man who gets to make it home alive... but it's no longer you

Odysseus: then who the fuck gets to go home??

Tiresias: a piece of shit, that's who

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Odysseus: WHO?!?!?!

Tiresias, just vibing: I see a song of past romance~

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We're not gonna talk about the backing vocals of No Longer You being, "Say it ain't so! Say no more! Make it end! Nothing More!" cuz I broke down when I realized 😭

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People spend so much time running away from prophecies it’s refreshing to see someone just go ‘fuck it I’ll save myself the trouble and fulfill the prophecy’

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The entirety of the 2nd book is kind of following odysseus's journey too and its like ??? what about the core of it all. The suffering. The tears. It may be a "kids book" and all the suffering in the odyssey is "too depressing and bloody for a kids book" but cmon man

Truly though, Poseidon went soft after the Odyssey. Luke Castellan had the audacity to piss off Poseidon's only living Demigod son and then LIVED ON A BOAT AND POSEIDONS JUST LIKE "hahaha yeah cool bro." When the Odyssey is actually just a thing that happened historically in cannon. Odysseus is in Elysium with Penelope FUMMING when Luke walks in and tells him his story "THAT SON OF A BITCH LET ME DRIFT AT SEA FOR 11 YEARS AND HE NEVER EVEN ROCKED YOUR BOAT A LITTLE???" (Non of yall should be surprised I got into Epic)

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I like how I can read a greek myth and I'll be like "Oh, well that was nice" but then someone writes a musical based on the same myth and I can feel it rewriting my cells on a molecular level

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In honour of the end of the first act:

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"you are indeed Odysseus; but you are not the same as the man who sailed from here 20 years ago"

The fact that both Penelope and Anticlea were waiting for Odysseus, they sang with longing, waiting, no matter how long it would take before he came back home. Only one will ever see him return back home, and even then he is a changed man, he’s no longer the same-