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"I theorize that this amoral villain character has Antisocial Personality Disorder and/or Narcissistic Personality Disorder"
Awesome, you know the definition of some diagnoses - now say something true and profound about the human experience of mental illness.
#shut the heck up#midnight thoughts#it struck me writing this people usually say more like “sociopathy” “narcissism”#which are not diagnosable disorders in themselves#but when they want to sound like theyre saying something meaningful theyll use the disorder#in which case shut up and actually give insight on their psychology-#-and not a thought-terminating cliche#'did you know this character acts like this irl psychological condition' - who cares#did i learn about a new way to consider their actions and deepen their internal world?#if not idgaf and youre just throwing big words around#tag talking#i finished watching avatar and azula is very cluster b in a good-ish way
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“fuck moash” has done irreparable damage to the stormlight fandom
#can we PLEASE move on from this meme i’m begging y’all#so sick of all the nuances of this interesting character being reduced down to a thought-terminating cliche#r/cremposting i love you but you’ve got to grow up ok#stormlight archive#moash#fuck moash
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To everyone saying about the mass deportations that "those people came illegally, PERIOD" - as if we have no choice but to reorient the entire apparatus of government around an expensive project to remove people largely already in the immigration system because they "broke the law" that's it that's all you need to know stop thinking about it further stop thinking - I'm going to need to you to look at this:
While also keeping in mind that illegally entry is a misdemeanor.... In the grand scheme of things, it's just not that serious of a crime.
On the other hand, sharing classified military information, accepting foreign bribes, hacking into government databases and exfiltrating the private information of all Americans, all of those used to be pretty serious crimes. Not under this administration though.
#us politics#and thats just off the top of my head!#anyway 'they broke the law PERIOD' is a thought terminating cliche#there are always choices in how we chose to deal with things and this administration is choosing a way that will destroy the country#very quickly too
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a tale as old as time!
#sorry for being mean about this i'm just tired of knuckleheads in my notes#FOR THE RECORD. as a known freakposter i am NOT judging the conquest stanning he is VERY fun#i am JUDGING the transparency in the asymmetry and how it renders farcical the thought terminating cliche of representing victims#be HONEST why you don't like the brown show version of anissa who hasn't done all of that instead of wielding identity rhetoric to lie lmfa#invincible
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#Youtube#it only really goes to the audience version of thought terminating cliches but thats ok cause most analysis is in the audience#but examples of thought terminating cliches in creators are saying#oh so youre cancelling me or let ppl make things at the slightest criticism#and im the creator so what i say goes at the slightest deviation in analysis#mine.txt#my posts
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I read a book about the language of fanaticism, and I think it set my ability to socially interact back like a decade. I can't hold conversations anymore without going "oh hey that's a thought terminating cliche" or "oh wow that's a lot of in-group language" and wanting to point it out because it bugs me.
#simon says#ever since I learned what a thought terminating cliche was I have noticed it far more often#and also I have noticed a lot more people calling out thought terminating cliches??
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I've lately seen a motto in circulation: "the purpose of a system is what it does."
I can't ignore the bad diction and what it probably means. It really got me thinking: How many people try to artificially merge purpose with function, and how will this merger shape society?
Now typically I see this motto used in proximity to religion, but for now I'll spare the world from being exposed to my own theological takes in favor of examples from other subjects of politic which are more important than which god one worships, if at all, and which I believe debunk what I believe threatens to become a thought-terminating cliche.
Parenting! Particularly, harmful parenting practices such as corporal punishment and other coercive and dehumanizing ways people treat their children, teens, and adults of filial relation to them.
The purpose of enforced parental hegemony is to produce obedient children. Sometimes (but far from always) it even "works." However, what it does, invariably, is traumatize children. Is trauma the purpose? Not more than obedience, the (hopefully!) obvious answer to "what is the purpose?". Yet it instills more trauma than obedience.
If the purpose of it is what it does, then the purpose is to traumatize children.
But in reality, traumatizing children is the effect, the function, and the overlooked collateral damage.
The purpose is making children obedient, but that isn't always what it does.
#ageism#youth rights#children's rights#logical fallacies#thought-terminating cliche#the purpose of a system is what it does
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“The Curtains Were F*cking Blue”: Thought Terminating Cliches, Anti-Intellectualism and Propaganda
#finn.exehasstarted#“...assuring you that it is —in fact— that deep bro.”#thought terminating cliches#critical thinking#media analysis#fandom#overthinking is okay sometimes#propaganda#anti-intellectualism
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I love the way that the term "thought terminating cliche" has itself become a thought terminating cliche.
#personal#also for the record ALL cliches are thought terminating#cliches are the opposite of thinking
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comment on a video about leftist antisemitism by Marla Alpert on TikTok, in reference to “it’s antizionist not antisemitic”
the “heritage not hate” comparison is right on the money. they’re both thought-terminating clichés that allow the user to avoid any critical introspection about whether & how their “heritage”/“antizionism” manifest in bigoted ways.
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nowthisimpact New York Times best-selling author of ‘Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism’ and co-host of the podcast ‘Sounds Like A Cult,’ Amanda Montell, spoke at the Fall for the Book Festival in 2022, where she explained the cultish language of the Right
“The thought terminating cliche” is such a good way to describe words that cults use to dissuade doubt.
These are code words favored by cults (“He’s gay, Petra,” “they’re still together,” “the two week rule,” “object permanence,” “ask me why I love x”) that drive agreement and discourage or shame dissent.
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ngl reading stuff from arcanetwt even for just a lil bit is making me consider finally getting off my ass and reading brave new world by aldous huxley
#mine.txt#i just wanted to take a lil looksee if my theory was correct#instead i saw a lot of ppl bemoaning arcanes centrism (which i agree with)#and some who love parroting thought terminating cliches in regards to media criticism as well as centrists (which i hate)
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I made a post earlier talking about how bashing fics are the result of the disconnect between the level of suspension of disbelief expected from an author vs from their immature audience.
Most authors expect a level of shared disbelief. "People will get this is just some handwave-y nonsense for the story. They will suspend their disbelief." They do not realize that kids won't know this automatically. Kids don't need to 'suspend their disbelief' because they will simply believe the nonsense.
And then the kiddos grow up and feel betrayed because they realize that they've thought about this way more than the author ever did.
But what if the authors DID think about it? What if they planned for that? What if they realized that the preteen to young adult demographic is PRIMED for this kind of relationship to their media?
Introducing the DECONSTRUCTION (and Madoka Magica)
Now, this term is a bit controversial. It's a mode of analysis that, from what I can tell, exclusively comes from the Anime Analysis/Tv Tropes side of the internet, and nowhere else.
Because of those hazy origins, it's a little hazy what it even means. When I use it, I mean it's a media that subverts tropes by applying a lens of realism to it, specifically to "expose" the shocking truth behind a functioning cliche/genre. Usually in reference to genre fiction like superhero shows, mecha shows, fantasy shows, etc.
It became a coined term with its application to Neon Genesis Evangelion, but people would be more familiar with it for shows like Game of Thrones or Watchmen or Madoka Magica.
You think this is just your average high fantasy? THINK AGAIN! The main character DIES because that's REAL life in the hard medieval dark ages.
You think this is just your average superhero comic? THINK AGAIN! These superheroes use their powers for selfish reasons instead of selfless ones because THAT'S MORE REAL.
You think this is just your average show about sparkly girls fighting monsters? THINK AGAIN! These girls have been conned into their supernatural powers and fighting is dangerous and depressing because THAT'S MORE REAL. GRIMDARK is MORE REAL.
Now this can be mundane realism ala Vermeer, or the grimdark realism you see with all those Watchman superhero comic knock-offs in the 90's or all those Madoka Magica magical girl knock-offs or all those Game Of Thrones knock-offs in the late aughts. Choose any realism you like because Realism is subjective!
check out here for a breakdown of why "grimdark" does not make "realistic" and here for why realism is subjective/unnecessary for writing. I'm not going to be getting into that here.
HATING the term """DECONSTRUCTION"""
Now, opponents of the term DECONSTRUCTION point to this very subjectivity as the reason why it's functionally meaningless as a term.
"Madoka Magica isn't 'more realistic' compared to other magical girl shows. Other magical girl shows like Princess Tutu show ALSO portray depressing, deep, and dangerous situations happening to magical girls. How is what Madoka does any more 'realistic' than what Tutu does, especially when both of them ultimately reaffirm the Magical Girl Genre?"
I think this, at its core, misunderstands why people call something a deconstruction. This is an understandable mistake because the anime people who coined the term didn't even understand why they felt the need to call something a deconstruction.
The original term Deconstruction analysis, from before the anime/TV Tropes side of the internet appropriated it, comes from philosopher Jacques Derrida. Derrida, in simplified terms, explained the infinite gap between thought and communicating that thought. The infinite gap between concepts and the language trying to describe those concepts.
So it's pretty ironic the way we've completely butchered his term into this anime "genre deconstruction" mode of analysis and then completely butchered this "genre deconstruction" mode of analysis into "making something more realistic."
But while this "genre deconstruction" is not real deconstruction, I'm going to analyze it on its own terms anyways because I do find it meaningful, if not the way we define it now.
In my opinion, deconstruction has nothing to do with "realism" and everything to do with the "exposing the shocking truth behind a functioning cliche" part of its definition. It doesn't matter if Princess Tutu is 'realistic' because it doesn't portray itself as 'in conversation with' the magical girl genre.
CLICHE and the Generation Cycle of Growing Up
You ever notice how deconstruction's most famous examples are from genres made for adolescents? Magical Girls, High Fantasy, Superheroes. Hmmm?
That has everything to do with the way the cycles of cliches work. Overly Sarcastic Productions has some really great videos breaking down how writing is all about tropes.
And how there's a cycle where a trope begins FRESH AND EXCITING where authors all remix each other. Then all the good stuff gets said a million times until the trope becomes a shorthand for a specific function. Then people get sick and tired of it and actively fight against its usage.
This often also coincides with the generation that was young when the trope was popular growing up and looking back on the trope.
Ex: You love Disney Romances as a kid, grow up and realize no prince is coming to get you, and get tired of "love at first sight" stories because the love often feels like a shorthand plot device instead of genuine romance, leading to parodies and then a new generation of Disney movies with no romance at all.
Ex: The cowboy Western Genre has gone through this. Multiple times now. First with traditional westerns that are now dead. Then with Space Westerns in Japanese animation. Also dead, though we do get reboots from time to time.
Ex: Joss Whedon/Marvel Humor.
Ex: The isekai/transmigration genre is currently going through this. The West has no conception of transmigration and barely any understanding of isekai—likening them to portal fantasy with nary a thought to how its become its own niche genre. But it IS a niche genre now, resplendent with bizarrely specific tropes and cliches that have a functional logic underneath inscrutable to new viewers.
I watched a C-Drama recently where they didn't even bother to explain transmigration beyond a shot of a girl's ghost hovering another girl's sleeping body. And like, if I was a Westerner, I would have NO CLUE what that was supposed to mean.
Of course, as a Scum Villain fan, I know that it was a visual shorthand meant to imply Transmigration, where the girl was transported into another dimension via the body of another girl, but this implication is reliant on the understanding that you've already seen this trope a thousand times now.
("We don't need to show this again, you get the drill." NO, we don't! Not here in the West. Please explain. At this rate, we'll be getting to parodies of transmigration and then no transmigration at all—all before the West even gets a whiff of what "transmigration" means. Beyond like, niche anime/webtoon fans.)
The point is, you get to a point where you don't even notice how terminally cliche your genre has gotten unless you get confronted by someone out of the loop. And that acts as a neat metaphor for the way childhood works.
A lot of the "truths" of the world, like that 'adults are to be trusted' or that stories are 'simple retellings of events,' are actually just thought-terminating cliches you've been taught as a shorthand to make things simpler to understand/easier to control.
That's why adolescent media, rather than say speculative Sci-Fi for philosophical thought experiments or literary fiction, is at the core of "deconstruction genre analysis."
This ""form of analysis"" is just the result of artists noticing the happy intersection between the form/function of adolescence and adolescent media, making for the perfect metaphor. A marriage of literary convention and human psychology. "Medium is the message"? Make it "Genre is the message."
As such, actual realism is secondary to the the psychological aspect of "breaking down a thought terminating cliche."
Madoka Magica is not more realistic than Princess Tutu.
IT DOES, however, directly reference the magical girl genre as we know it within the show itself. Madoka, the main character, draws sparkly magical girl outfits in her notebook and imagines her Magical GirlTM hair styles when she finds out that she can become a magical girl. These are not just magical girls to her—these are Magical GirlsTM. She's as familiar with the cliches of the genre as we are.
This is in service to highlighting that we're meant to be engaging with the idea of the genre itself, not just the themes of selflessness and depression within it. Madoka Magica also has a lot of Brechtian techniques within the framing of the show, with the series' first shot even beginning with literally "opening the curtains" to break the fourth wall a little bit, highlighting that it's a bit self-aware/meta. That way, we can see the intentional "wider commentary on the genre" aspect to it.
(Like the way Spider-verse uses "canon event" and the multiverse as a clear reference to extended audience canon culture to signal that it's making a meta commentary on the wider discussion of Miles Morales and the extended universe, not just his personal struggles as a character.)
So, Princess Tutu is NOT less realistic or less depressing than Madoka Magica. In fact, it even "deconstructs" fairytale cliches. It isn't a Magical Girl genre deconstruction as we think of it, though, because it isn't making those overt commentaries on the Magical Girl Genre thought-terminating cliches, the way Madoka Magica is (tutu is moreso about fairytale ones). Tutu isn't winking and nodding at us the way Madoka does when she doodles magical girl outfits, or when episode 3 happens, or with Kyubei's whole deal.
CONCLUSION: Magic Children Fighting the Genre
So yeah, a lot of these deconstructions have nothing to do with "realism" or being "darker" and everything to do with the "exposing the shocking truth behind a functioning cliche" part of its definition, usually for cliches that are in that late life cycle, oversaturated stage, matching the way its audience has also grown more cynical in life. The stereotypical grimdark aspects come from that same teenage impulse to bash, to be edgey to be "more real."
In my previous post, I also liken "bashing" to the way victims of religious indoctrination finally escape and start spitefully "bashing" the religion out of a sense of betrayal. This comparison especially rings true for this post about deconstruction, as the term for the American Evangelical movement in which "Christians rethink their faith and jettison previously held beliefs, sometimes to the point of no longer identifying as Christians" is-- quite literally -- Faith Deconstruction or just Deconstruction for short. Isn't that fascinating? I think it proves my point.
Anyways, to even "expose the shocking truth" in the first place, you need faith or just some sort of idealistic jumping off point, which is why "Magic Children Fighting--The Genre" is so prevalent in genre deconstruction.
You can't just subvert and "deconstruct" forever, because at some point, you're just going to run out of meaningful things to say and end up having twists for no reason, as the Game-Of-Thrones-"Themes are for eighth-grade book reports"-writers ended up doing for season 8 lol. That's its own thought-terminating cliche. Thus, some sort of idealistic genre is necessary.
And "Magic Children Fighting: The Genre" is so rich in idealism. Whether it be shonen anime "You can do it!" or magical girl "Friendship is Magic" or high fantasy's underdog chosen one narrative or... whatever mecha shows are about.
Whichever "Magic Children Fighting: The Genre" archetype you choose, you can easily turn it into "Magic children fighting the genre!"
And I think that that's meaningful!
It's beautiful when adolescent media writers do manage to go that extra mile to think about how to make it so that their audience is able to enjoy the show as adults. It's cool when they refuse to handwave explanations or cliches and put genuine thought into work that kiddos might not appreciate at first.
In my next few posts, I'll probably go into works that manage to succeed at Deconstruction (Madoka Magica, Rebellious Girl Utena), works that people do not traditionally think of Deconstruction because they failed in some way (Steven Universe), and the darker implications of works that fail to do this (Harry Potter and The Christian Bible (ha ha jk on the bible. or am I?))
in the meantime, you can read this funny post and this funny post about how svsss kind of deconstructs masculine isekai narratives
#magic children fighting—the genre#analysis#A marriage of literary convention and real human psychology#metas#deconstruction#derrida#literary analysis#jacques derrida#madoka magica#puella magi madoka magica#pmmm#tropes#cliches#thought terminating cliches#cliche#trope talk#watchmen#game of thrones#across the spiderverse#into the spider verse#writeblr#comparative analysis#fandom#self awareness#fourth wall breaks#xtian hegemony
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anyway warrior cats fans. i have a challenge for you
write down an opinion, or analysis, or au, centered on a female character. With The Following Caveats
-cannot simply say 'she deserved better'
-cannot just be 'she would be so cute with (insert cat)'
-cannot just say 'she's a girlboss'
-in the case of an au, HAS to include considerations for her Mind. cannot just be her killing her boyfriend because #shedeservesbetter and then moving on like that fixed everything. the impacts her actions and the actions of people around her have on her in a Psychological Sense have to be Described
tag it with uhhh wcofgirls and i'll reblog it here
#i'm being passive aggressive but no really i'd love to see it#female characters Have gotten more attention in recent years but the thing is it's such incessant amounts of thought terminating cliches
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