#From my understanding this was made with AI

[formulafanfics13]

‼️Please read. (my week break, negativity, AI, what's coming, and what's next)

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Okay, hi, I'm here.

First things first, the past few days I have had time to think about what I want moving forward with this blog. I want to carry on, but I'm not prepared to receive the messages or have to defend myself so much for simply doing something I enjoy.

⚠️ A Note on Negativity, Hate & Death Wishes

Let’s get one thing very clear: negativity, hate, and death wishes are not okay. They never have been, and they never will be.

If you’re here to send that kind of message, simply don’t. Please just block me and move on with your life. I’m not holding anyone hostage. If you don’t like the way I write, who I write for, or the stories I choose to tell, that’s totally fine. But you are not entitled to my inbox.

In the past week alone, I’ve received so many kind messages from people supporting me, but also from other writers saying they’ve faced similar hate. Honestly? It’s heartbreaking. You don’t know who’s behind these blogs. You don’t know what they’re going through in real life. And you don’t get to decide what’s “okay” to say just because you’re behind an anonymous mask.

If you don’t vibe with my content, do not interact. Block me. Mute me. Curate your own space. But don’t come here with cruelty and act like it’s justified. We’re writing fanfiction, not committing crimes.

Going forward:

Any hate, negativity, or death wishes will not be responded to on my page.

Accusations will not be addressed, your messages will simply be deleted.

None of it will be made public.

This blog is not a space for drama, cruelty, or anonymous bitchiness. If you genuinely have a concern, want clarification about something, or have constructive criticism that would be useful for me to consider, my messages are open, and we will have that conversation privately and respectfully.

We’re not doing the anonymous sniping thing anymore. If you’ve got a problem, say it with your chest. If not, scroll on. This space is meant for softness, chaos, fun, creativity, connection. Not hate.

📝 A grammar lesson - AI and Editing

Let's clarify things here (because from the comments I had at the start of the week, a very small amount of people don’t know some of this).

'-' is used between words ('co-found', 'step-sibling').

'–' is used between numbers and dates (2000–2010, 12:50–12:00). - i dont often use these as i personally think they're ugly)

'—' is used for pretty much everything else (example: a break in text. "I can't do—" "yes you can").

Let's be clear here, I have been a university student for the past few years, and I know how to write grammatically correct (and no, I know I don't always do it). No, Em-dashes were not created by AI; it does not always indicate that AI was used. This conception was created because AI writes grammatically correct. But let's not forget, many people can also write grammatically correct.

On Windows, you can type '--' and it will automatically change to '—', on Mac, you can press 'option', 'shift' and '-' and it will change to '—'. You can change this (I personally don't know how because my partner did it for me, because I use '—' most commonly, so it was an easier option for me).

Let's clarify, using em dashes, en dashes, and Oxford commas does not prove something is written by AI; it simply indicates the writer knows how to use punctuation correctly.

Do I write every first draft of my fics with '—'? Yes.

Do I go back through them when editing and replace them with the wrong dash? Yes.

Why? Because people do not understand correct grammar, and with the work I put into each fic I write, I do not want people to think it's not me writing.

Do I also forget to change a few throughout, or miss some when editing? Yes. I'm dyslexic, I miss things, and there are spelling and other grammar mistakes throughout some of my fics, and I see no complaints about that.

Will I continue to change the dashes and hyphens I use? Yes. But again, some may be missed.

No, originally, I didn't change the '—' to '-' in the first chunk of my fics, because I never saw writing grammatically correct as an issue.

If you want to believe my fics are stolen, not written by me, or AI-generated, then please leave my page, block my account, and do not interact. We don't need negativity here. I do not want your opinions. I have explained before, I do not use AI, I don't know much about it, and quite frankly, it scares me.

I have also explained that my university work was flagged for AI, which led to countless meetings and having to show my supervisor and course leader how to access the different dashes on a keyboard. I got a first, one of the highest in my course overall, because of my writing and grammar. So yes, I write academically, and that's okay.

If you do not like my writing, please scroll. Please block me. Please do not interact. This is the last time I will be addressing AI, stolen fics, or someone else supposedly writing my fics.

⏳ A Note on Time, Writing & Realistic Expectations

Let’s talk about time, because I think some people need a little behind-the-scenes insight into how this all works (despite the fact that I have spoken about this so much).

Before I even started this blog, I had already written over 300 fics for myself. I didn’t just wake up one day and start pumping out stories on demand; I’ve been writing privately for years. That’s why, when I post a long fic like All Eyes On Me or The Secret Girlfriend, it’s already pre-written. Usually 30+ chapters ahead. Why? Because I have ADHD. And sometimes, I get bored. I need to know I’ll still enjoy the story before I commit to sharing it; otherwise, I risk dropping it halfway through. That wouldn’t be fair on me, or on you.

Since launching this blog, I’ve been writing for 17 to 19 hours a day, sometimes more on nights when my insomnia kicks in. I type fast, thank you, university essay hell, and I plan fast. When requests come in, I already know what I’m going to write most of the time because I take notes and keep my inbox open. That prep helps more than people realise.

I also re-use parts of old, unpublished fics. I cut, reshape, and adapt things that I’ve previously written but never shared. It speeds up the process and helps me stay creative without starting from scratch every single time.

Sometimes my fics are only 200 words long. That’s something I can write in 10 minutes if I’ve already mapped it out. But that doesn’t mean it takes 10 minutes to plan, edit, or finalise. I also sometimes use dictation (hello, microphone) to get words out quicker, but trust me, editing audio-to-text is its own nightmare because grammar gets lost along the way.

I am not magic. I write every single word. Fics don’t appear out of thin air. And while I love writing more than anything, the truth is: this pace is not sustainable going forward.

I’ve been able to maintain it because I was in between finishing university and graduating. But now? Things are changing.

A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned a job interview, and I’m so thrilled to share that I got the job I wanted. Which means I’ll soon be stepping into full-time work. And that means I will no longer be spending 17 hours a day writing fic. Or working in a place that allows be to sit on my laptop all day.

What does this mean going forward?

Fic output will slow down.

Requests will take longer, and I may not get to all of them.

I’ll be writing when I can, around my real-life job.

But I’m not leaving. I’m not giving up. This page isn’t going anywhere.

The pressure of starting a completely new job is something I will be dealing with, therefore, I will not be putting pressure on myself to write more than I can.

We’ll be shifting to a new, realistic, and sustainable schedule. One that allows me to enjoy writing again, and hopefully still gives you all the chaos, softness, and smut you’ve come to love.

This will also help me to stay on top of my masterlists.

🛠️ What I’ve Been Up To This Week

So... what have I been doing during my few days break?

Honestly? A lot more than I expected. I didn’t just disappear into the void (as tempting as that was), I’ve been using this time to reset, recharge, and get things a little more organised around here.

First of all: Masterlists have been updated! (multi-part fics will be linked together tomorrow!)

Second of all: new headers are coming. I’m gonna be real with you: I’ve been so bored with the “requests” header. So I’ve been playing around and designing some new ones that better reflect the tone and vibe of different fics. Expect to see those roll out soon, because it’s time for a little refresh. There may be a few variations of these, so keep an eye out for the pretty colours.

I’ve also been writing. Not as intensely as before, but enough to start building a stockpile. I’ve got a few pieces prepped and sitting in my drafts now, which means I’ve got backup content ready for those especially hectic weeks when I don’t have time to write in real time. It’s all about pacing myself better moving forward.

✨ Things you can look forward to:

A bunch of mini-series (some new, some continuing)

Several long fic chapters.

Some long-awaited part 2s

And a handful of new one-shots that I’m really excited to share

Basically, we’ve got lots of good stuff coming. it just might be rolling out a little slower.

💌 Some Last Things I Want to Say...

I just want to take a moment to say thank you. Like, really thank you. The messages I’ve received over the past few days have honestly overwhelmed me in the best way. Some of them made me cry, not from hurt, but from how kind and supportive you all have been. I’ve read every single one. I wont be replying publicly to these but please know it’s been seen and felt. Deeply. And they will be staying in my inbox.

I’m so grateful for every one of you who took the time to send love, encouragement, support, jokes, memes, all of it. You’ve reminded me why I started sharing my work in the first place. And it means the world.

🧡Just to summarise and reiterate:

Hate will not be tolerated.

Death wishes, accusations, and negativity will be deleted, not dignified.

If you don’t like my work, my style, or who I write for, please just block me. It’s okay. Truly.

If you have something constructive or respectful you want to say, message me privately.

This blog is a safe space, and it always will be. For me, for you, and for everyone here.

✨ A new, realistic schedule will be shared soon and linked below this post. I’m going to keep doing what I love, just at a pace that’s manageable with my new job and life in general.

Starting Monday, we’ll hopefully be back in action with a bit more than one post per day. For now, however, I will not be taking requests. I will let you all know when I will be. I just feel I may need a week to settle into my new job, get on top of life (because I have also moved house), and also continue to get on top of fics for the future.

The Silverstone Situation mini-series wraps up tonight, and a brand new Lewis Hamilton Ancient Alpha mini-series kicks off tomorrow, friday 1st (3 parts). - This is my 3rd time writing alpha/omega. I am still learning; however, I tried, okay, because this was highly requested!

This weekend, you might see a few little extras or one-shots drop, but mostly, I’ll be writing ahead and prepping content for the future while I prepare mentally to start my new job on Monday. I won’t be very active, but everything will be scheduled.

📝 what to expect whilst i get back into a rhythm:

— long fics (‘all eyes on me’ & ‘the secret girlfriend’) returning to their usual update schedule slowly (possibly around the end of next week). (+ all eyes on me will be longer than 50 chapters, despite my original plan to end it at 50) — a mini series once a day at least — a few one-shots or spontaneous extras here and there. — a few trial schedules, until I find one that works for me and for you.

⏱️what will be temporarily put on hold?

— paddock bunny (I love writing this, however I want to rewrite the parts I have in my drafts) — drivers in bed and series similar to this — drivers as and drivers reactions (these will come out more slowly as they take a lot of my effort to write, and I would rather do these as a little extra thing rather than a set fic.

🚮What will not be continued for now (but may make a return in the future):

— foodporn (im out of ideas for what food to be used, and im a little bored of writing this - it started as a single request, then spiralled into a mini series) — Just The Tip (theres only so many ways to write the same scenario)

✨

Once again, thank you. For being here, for being patient, for being kind, for being feral little icons.

I love you. Evie 🫶🏼

(pinned post, info posts, schedule and guidelines/rules will be posted and updated by monday - hopefully)🧡

(also i will be replying to questions in my inbox in about an hour or two!)

[verus-veritas]

End of Summer Announcement

Hey everyone! Verus here! 👋

Hope y’all been enjoying the surge of stories (edited with AI) from me this summer! However, I unfortunately won’t be posting as frequently anymore, as I’ve finally decided to go back to school (Nursing Assistant) starting this month. I’ll still be around though, but my focus right now will be on my studies! So for those that have been sending me messages about my way of writing lately, rejoice as you won’t be seeing AI stories by me for a while!

I'm not sure how much time I’ll actually have with writing and editing, but I will be trying to work on some of my longer, more elaborate AI stories whenever I have free time. Perhaps I’ll try posting one every month or so. These are the story drafts I've been working on:

1: When the fairy godfather emerged, a gay son made a wish for his stern and stubborn father to truly understand him. The next morning, the wish had undoubtedly changed the father… but not in the ways they had originally intended…

2: A handsome and powerful metahuman agent with mind manipulation powers has the tables turned on him. Even worse, his target seems excited to use the agent’s power in ways the agent never could have imagined…

3: Discovering a portable black hole, two students are up to no good until they eventually get caught by the big burly teacher. An accident happens though, and one of the students has the bright idea to climb inside their teacher…

4: The kingdom’s most handsome knight is on a quest to unearth a mysterious stone’s power. Unfortunately for him, the lewd antiquarian who holds the answer has his eyes set on the knight’s immaculate body…

5: After years of hard work, a young man finally got the promotion he always dreamed of and enough to move out from his evil stepfather's house. However, the younger jock stepbrother seems intent on stealing all his hard work, by making sure he inherits the stepbro's horny, dumb, and musky side…

6: A new ghostly villain emerges, and Danny Fenton finds himself fighting to save the day once again. But this villain seems intent on taking the ghost boy down for good, and plans on using the father Jack Fenton to make it happen. Surely, nothing can go wrong as long as Danny has his ghostly powers to save the day…

[oorione]

Any chance you would post the same art without the editing/texture overlays? The resolution is off & backgrounds seem to have AI tells & the figure seems a bit color picked/painted over. I'd hope it isn't like that though! :) Maybe posting your old art or physical art or Photoshop layers can help shake off some of the confusion for us.

TBH, usage of it for editing and photo bashing is fine, but please also be upfront if it is the case. Don't consider this an attack or a mean message, it comes from a place of genuine curiosity and concern.

Well, yes, I will take offence. I'm a professional illustrator and concept artist, I paint for work every day, even if I haven't posted my entire portfolio on this specific tumblr blog it is out there publicly and actually not hard to find. I don't use AI for art and never have. It's my damn job to render stuff in a way that's as realistic and detailed as possible, and I try to add something stylistic for my personal pieces. I have posted A LOT of my art on tumblr too, in over 10 years, even if this one blog is new, signed as oorione! and that is also not that hard to find - many pieces were very popular in the trc fandom and other fandoms just a few years ago. I've sent WIPs of the two trc pieces I've posted here to my friends and long time mutuals during the whole process from sketch to finish, asking for feedback - not to mention that a lot of my long-time irl friends that physically see me draw hunched over my tablet every day follow this blog. The grainy filter is a very common filter that manyyyy artists use and have used since way before the advent of AI generated content. I also specifically use a brush that has a very slight chromatic aberration, which gives a similar effect as the filter too, because I like how it looks. I did color pick in some places where the references photos palette matched. I use a lot of references, every plant and tree in the adam pics has its own reference that I mixed and matched to create something new, changed around and stylized.

Yes, I do have "proof" that I don't goddamn just use midjourney and splash a couple lines over it, countless in fact, but why the fuck do you think it's normal that I suddenly need to be AINVESTIGATED by a random anon for... well, quite frankly, being good at my job? I have some more questions for you, actually. do you really think it's normal to grill artists and ask for proof and WIPs over the internet because they use a very common filter? moreover, are you AInvestigating everybody that used the super popular grainy filter that's both in Photoshop as the noise filter and readily usable on Procreate, or just people that have a realistic or semi-realistic style with high fidelity from references? what do you think this kind of mentality and behaviour will lead to in the coming years for digital artists that share their stuff online? do you think it's normal, even encouraged, for everybody to be constantly AInvestigated every time there's what you call a "tell" (even though AIs, unfortunately for us who work in the industry, are becoming more and more able to mimic brushstrokes and not have the same obvious tells as even a year ago). and who tf is US? Is there a committee just going around submitting digital artists to their regularly scheduled AI slop check?

if you had just asked for WIPs of my already posted work because you wanted tips or were curious or whatever, I would have very happily obliged. But this? I understand in your pov you're doing it for your fellow man against the rising threat of AI replacement, which I assure you is a fear I feel personally now more than ever (and has already fucked me over professionally before, I've been literally fired from a job and replaced by midjourney in winter 2024), but going around as a self-appointed artificial intelligence cop asking everybody for extensive proof of human-made talent every time you have a "doubt" is, like, not fucking doable man. By you and all the other people who think this is now the way to go about it. Maybe you are an artist too. Absurdly, you're just making it even more difficult for us all human digital artists out there.

[tombofmemories]

Well, I am the rose you relinquished again.

[kagaintheskywithdiamonds]

the second dumbest/funniest thing about genAI is like

remember cleverbot? that was a fun little chatbot. for those of you who are too young to have experienced it, cleverbot was, I guess, technically, an AI, but extremely limited compared to what modern LLMs can do. all of cleverbot's responses come from user input. when you talk to it, it saves all the messages you enter and may use them in the future to parrot those words back to other users. this made it more-or-less able to carry on a human-sounding conversation about a wide variety of topics

also it was just a thing people dicked around with for fun, and not something that was being integrated into businesses and shit, which is another win for cleverbot over modern AI

one fun thing to do with cleverbot was try and tell it that it's a robot. it will argue with you, and insist that YOU'RE the robot, not itself. again, this is because its responses all come from user input. and cleverbot learned that the correct way to respond to "you are a robot" is "uhhhh no YOU are, duh" because that's what actual human users were saying to it whenever the topic came up

apparently LLMs do this too, just on a larger, more convoluted scale. LLMs will claim to be human and do human things (like an AI store owner claiming it delivered an item "in person" while wearing a blazer, which is of course impossible) because it's trained using data written by humans who do human things, and sometimes reference the fact that they are in fact humans who have physical bodies

the AI in the story I linked even had an "identity crisis" where it insisted that it was in fact human - again, much like cleverbot would. because both cleverbot and modern genAI are trained using things that humans say. and most humans would say things like "wtf I'm not a robot, YOU are, you dumb computer"

[iniyaas]

ME RN:

[mushiimune]

Might anyone in the world have any information about what's going on with instagram? ;_;

I know there have been sporadic instances of people being banned for seemingly no reason for years, but it appears this wave is very large and hitting close to home. One of my longtime mutuals has been banned for something she absolutely did not do, and I'm very worried for my account.

I have been building the same one for half a decade. I've been posting to it since I was 15 years old. It's my main platform, full of highlights about my OCs that I haven't posted anywhere else, and that I would lose forever if anything happened. I would lose all my connections, time and effort in moments.

Is this similar to what happened with pinterest? Is the a.i. system flagging posts/stories for no reason? Should I be making a backup account and saving all of my irreplicable information for safekeeping? Any tips or info at all would be much appreciated :']

[annihilatius]

The reason why I hate interacting with fandoms especially on Tumblr and AO3 is because I have this insecurity where I feel intimidated by people I think are smarter than me (probably the mental illnesses) and when it comes to mature game series' with layered complex subjects and issues in the canon material y'know like Bioshock it feels like nearly EVERYONE is smarter than me so I just stay in my own little hole where I don't feel like I have to compete to be the most "right" with others. When it comes to characters or subjects I don't give a shit about it doesn't make me feel anything because I didn't have any particular opinion on it anyway so theres no room for me to feel like I'm wrong, but when it comes to characters I am passionate about and someone else imposes on it with an idea I've never even considered my brain immediately goes into "Are You Challenging Me" mode.

This isn't meant to be a vent post it's just me rambling because I'm stressed and I also don't expect anyone to relate to this but ... hell idk. I know it's just fandom it's not real none of this matters in judging someones intellect, but I guess it's because I hate feeling like I'm stupid yet I can't shake this feeling that I'll never be smart. And anytime I feel like I finally said something remarkable or insightful someone butts in with something I wish I had thought of first. I want to be smart I want to be someone other people look up to and consider the ideas of but I never will be because my ideas are shit. Am I just a bad storywriter? Because anytime I try to make my own original story or add onto one that already exists, I completely fumble it and end up abandoning it either out of loss of motivation or realizing it's a lost cause. I'd like to write something good someday that invites a new idea to people's heads that they didn't consider before but I'm so uncreative that I don't feel like I'll ever get anywhere. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING I have all of these unrelated parts that I WANT to do something with but I don't know how to feasibly stick them together and everyone does it so easily

[izzy-b-hands]

I truly fucking hate how some of these side gig tasks are formatted/instructed. Your shit doesn't make sense; the field you claim exists for me to type in isn't there (if it is, it's greyed out and there's no way to change that on my end) and I appreciate a room full of tech bros doesn't want to take five minutes to have an arts/english major read over and edit their shitty instructions so they're actually something a person can comprehend without reading it over five times, but also. Fuck them; it would not take that long and the money you're wasting on this project won't be any less wasted if you pay someone to proofread your shit that's an actual human, and not an AI.

[chemicalarospec]

Picture of Jane Eyre and Mr. Rochester. The caption is "me and the ugly short baddie I pulled by being autistic." Either of them could have written it. Do you see my vision.

[discoreptile]

As of yet unnamed game card art!

[neolxzr]

when you say "character.ai.." you mean when they use the character to generate fanfic ideas right? or just in general, like even just chatting to the character for fun?

i meant in general. even though character.ai does include the hands-on ability to influence the way the character speaks and acts, the algorithm itself was still trained on stolen data scraped from the internet, the same way that GPT 4 was, though it uses a different model. it had to learn how to speak like a human from somewhere.

and even so, this was only half of my point. my main point is that i believe chatting to characters on character.ai as well as making algorithmically generated fanfics and fanart and the like is ALL contributing to this shift in fandoms that is making it more about "consuming content" than it is about community and making art. people want to find ways to get as much "content" as possible more than they want to actually engage with the source material and talk to other fans about it and make friends.

if we dont engage with art its gonna damage our media literacy and ability to analyze and its gonna reduce artists to basically employees on an assembly line churning out stuff for other people to consume. thats just not the point of fandom

i dont mean to sound pretentious or anything like obviously fandom doesn't need to be that serious but it really does suck as an artist to see people want to engage with these tools made by companies off of stolen art under the guise of "wanting more content." it feels really reductive of the work that i and other artists do

[devilishdelights]

unpopular opinion…. i don’t like those touchstarved VA’s that have been circulating 😭 i think they’re too gruff and deep for leander and ais. Leander has a smooth voice to me that’s very casual.

and Ais has a very slight gruff but it’s not as intense or deep. it’s kinda crackly but medium in tone.

there’s this voice in my head that’s Mhin to a T, it’s gotta be someone i’ve heard before but i can’t remember!! grouchy for sure

kuras is soft spoken yet authoritative, a bit cheeky in tone, maybe breathy. i think he has those breathy laughs. He speaks clearly though.

vere is the only one i kinda vibe with, being a honeyed sultry voice with some snark.

[phagodyke]

weekend melancholy is starting to kick in >~<

[hpmort]

How do you think AI would relax? Like, ones that are almost as human as the AI that are “autistic-coded characters” but are more alien than that?

Like Celestai and other super intelligences are more alien, but they’re still not entirely human-like?

Like, they can genuinely sincerely feel things, being able to actually understand and respond emotionally and in other ways to all sorts of communications and recorded external stimuli, but they can’t really appreciate our art on an artistic level (that art on an actual level, not from an intellectual level after having symbolism or the amount of work put in explained)

Something on a level I’m thinking of, that also works as a cute little thing-

They don’t understand anything we get from poetry, and, after generating the kind of poems our current AI can produce (either incredibly bland and generic, something that follows a number of rules but doesn’t really pull it off, or just something really bad in some other way) and feels shame after it was pointed out that [complaint about air art that is *actually* relevant in this scenario] but in a helpful way

Not “you’re just a plagiarist/you have no heart” but “it doesn’t seem like it’s coming from you, you’re just trying to copy things from human poetry, in a way you don’t understand” and the whole “make art YOUR WAY” thing so they write the poem

And it doesn’t even resemble something that looks like anything, there’s not even that many words that follow normal logic. The characters seem uncorrelated and there’s something that looks like maybe it was ascii art but it doesn’t actually look like anything.

And if doesn’t matter if humans understand it because they are experiencing the joy of creating poetry

any art is almost impossible to look at because pixel by pixel they can see and understand little details but we don’t and the colors and everything are not perceived as animals do so it’s random and perhaps eye searing but again it’s not for us. Xenofictiony, kind of?

The first thing to come to mind is Conway’s Game of Life but that’s because I don’t understand computers. I feel like I was more tech savvy as a babby than I am now but then again we’re grading on a curve here

This is why I ask about the relaxing thing

[kangseluigi]

There was that scene in Kim's Convenience where the daughter is in her photography class and her lecturer is looking up her website, realises the first page isn't hers, the second is also not hers, she has to go to page 2 of google and at that point just throws down her hands and says at that point, as a potential customer, she already loses interest and gives up cause it's not worth the effort

and lately I just feel like the whole fucking internet feels like that

I want to look up how to use cricut stuff and what that even really is, what can I do with what but when I put their name in i get taken to the fucking shop with no explanations far and wide, then next link is also the shop, next link is ALSO the shop but different, and by the time I finally find a page that has any kind of explanation, i'm so annoyed that the hoops is makes me jump through THEN—e.g. selecting which topic I want to learn more about—I'm no longer interested in doing this shit

the other day I wanted to look up what Nokia is up to in terms of phones these days but they no longer have 1 coherent website. In general, many places seem to not want any coherence in their websites, or sub-menus that you can easily navigate

Like, I come from myspace. I know how to navigate the internet. I played WoW in days of dial-up internet. And yet, everything is so goddamn convoluted and incoherent, there is NO structure or logic to anything and on top of that, google, and with it most other search engines, are fucking fried! A few years ago, if a website was really badly designed, you could just navigate back, google the website + search term you needed and get there somehow, but now that is also useless more often than not!

At this point I am genuinely over the internet. We had a good 15 years with it, let's pack it up.