#MCU theory

[velvet4510]

Maybe an unpopular theory that doesn’t make sense but I personally think the reason Evanora is a ghost is that Rio hated her so much for abusing Agatha that she refused to take Evanora to the afterlife as a punishment.

[asterinthesiren]

oh my god. oh my fucking god. i just had the most insane and delusional realization/theory about agatha and rio. hear me out ok

first lets recap. agatha's colors are purple, and rio's colors are green. purple is a mix of red and blue, and we associate red with rage, passion, love and blue with sorrow and grief. green is a mix of blue and yellow, blue being the same and yellow as happiness. bUT HERE'S THE THING OK. yellow is also associated with obsession, sensationalism, and cowardice.

we know for a fact that agatha and rio are bound by their sorrow. they share grief--of being hurt (agatha) and of hurting someone they love (rio). HOWEVER, agatha channels her grief through her rage. she turns her blue into red, and we see this in her snark, her devil-wears-prada act, flaming everyone around her.

and rio? she sensationalizes her grief.

she answers agatha's rage with mocking confidence, challenges her passion with her own obsession, hunting her down but never quite killing her--she processes her grief through this facade of sensationalism, but underneath it all is her own cowardice--which the better word for it here is shame. she clearly regrets having to kill(?) nick, but the question no one seems to be asking is this:

why didn't Rio just leave Nick alone?

yes we assume she's the personification of death. but she said it was her job, which means she has someone she answers to. if rio is everything she seems to be, why didn't she challenge whoever it is that gave her that job? if she loved agatha so much, why cause any harm to nick (her son) at all? it looks like she accepted it so willingly, which is why i think agatha hates her so much. so in my mind, i'm thinking rio is always regretting that choice, and she might have thought it cowardly or shameful. because what could have possibly been powerful enough to punish her?

WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE that Rio's trial is having to face that choice again: Rio's trial is going to be about sacrifice. about LIFE.

and i think it fits with the themes of maiden-mother-crone. there's this really good post that i 100% agree with that delves more about the themes (@shutupineedtothink), but essentially what this person talks about is how jen's trial is birth, and rio's trial is life, which completes the witch cycle. i posit that jen's trial is about confronting death. jen is a midwife. midwives don't just make sure that the baby is delivered safely, they are there first and foremost for the mother--because the mother's life is what ensures the baby's. birth is such a dangerous process, because at any moment both mother and baby could die. the midwife's role is to avoid both from happening.

and that exactly opposes jen's essential conflict: rather than confront death (whether that's the death of her powers, the death of her legacy, or the death of belief in herself), she avoids it. thus, the crux of her trial is for her to confront death, and in doing so, face herself. she's been hiding behind the fact that she's bound to excuse all of the choices she's made so far--the trial, then, forces jen to remember that she's not defined by her binds. her potions and knowledge all help the coven dance with death and leave (mostly) unscathed.

the same goes for every witch--the road opposes their essential conflict and forces them to face it:

alice's conflict is denying the identity her mother passed on to her: how can she protect herself, her loved ones, if she doesn't know her own power? if she doesn't know herself? (in comparison to jen, who already knows her capability and denies it (and has it taken from her), alice refuses to know it when it's being handed to her on a silver platter)

agatha's is most likely her power: she defines herself with it, after earning it with blood sweat and tears from years of study and experience. but without it, who is she? what can she do?

lilia's is her past: she is hopelessly stuck in it. she can't shake all of the things she's seen and experienced. and if she's stuck in the past, how can she be able to face the future?

teen is still a bit of a mystery, but i can guess that his conflict is that he doesn't know where he really comes from--and why he's being hidden (we'll end it at that bc there are so many ways that could go)

THEREFORE WITH RIO, her trial is going to be about saving lives, as opposed to taking them. if rio really is the personification of death, she's the one being in the world who absolutely cannot be attached to anyone or anything. and she's THE green witch: she deals with ephemeral things all the time. flowers bloom and die, animals prey on each other, hell even the seasons are a metaphor for death. but here she is, hopelessly in love with agatha. thus, with rio, i think the road will put her in a position where she has to choose between agatha and teen. if she chooses agatha, she'll risk losing agatha's heart forever, because that will be the second betrayal. if she chooses teen, agatha will die. so i think it'll force her to come up with something to save them both. she has to go against her nature of taking lives the way she didn't when faced with that choice earlier with agatha and nick.

because what else does the yellow in her green stand for?

LIFE.

[guardianjameslight]

A little theory about Thunderbolts*

Since it's been confirmed that Yelena will have a sweet spot for Bob, I think she'll try to reach him during the final battle when he'll become Void. And that will give him strength to stand up to Void.

[idkbroletssee]

Agatha S2 & Wiccan show work as one for me. Kathryn stays as a comedic genius across Joe's baby Wiccan where they grow closer while exploring plot points like-lack of control over their magic, dealing with guilt & darkness that comes with it, acknowledging that Billy was created from scratch too and is the son that survived. There's a story here with these two:)

Billy's identity crisis

Billy and Wanda

Both Wanda and Agatha have been written to have lost their chance at raising their boys, until now that they meet Billy but the story is more sophisticated that just giving a son back- it's what these women actively choose to do for him, and what all he returns, all in the backdrop of immeasurable potential that ties these characters together, along with an emotional bond.

Wanda lends Billy her greatness while the Kaplans keep him grounded and Agatha essentially raises the Demiurge. I cant wait for her to break it to him like she did to Wanda, except they would have grown much closer by the time and she would have such a proud face.

I am going to be delulu here on and write a scene where Billy's sheer unadulterated wish of wellbeing for Agatha, actually resurrects her(involving tears and all the dramatics), tying it all with the origins of the primordial elder god Demiurge, who Billy is understood to be a derivative of, destined to become the sentient force of LIFE, representing everything on the earth's biosphere.(I might or might not have a tiny plant grow out of Billy's tears, cuz baby that's life)

If MCU can have Wanda play with the chaos magic lore, so can Billy. I just read a short thread on Chaos Magic and it essentially connects back to the origin of life, probability of existence, that i derive to be the big bang. Bro carries stars on his suit. What did we expect.

[eileen-crys]

Now that Stephen Strange AND Reed Richards will be together in the MCU, I feel we're going towards the memory-erasing "ending" for Sentry, more than just "Doom will kill him" (lol no way this works)

Technically speaking, Sentry cannot die (we've already seen him "die" twice in one movie lol) and one of his core storylines in the comics is that he asked Strange and Reed to erase him from everyone's memory (including his own) to protect the world from both The Sentry and The Void. He eventually comes back a couple of times and this whole memory erasing thing happens at least twice, but in the MCU I think once would be enough. I can really see MCU!Bob asking them to "free" the world from The Sentry/The Void after causing an absurd amount of damage (both good and bad) because he can't control his power. Lewis Pullman even mentioned this in an interview.

Also, we've already seen Strange performing a multiverse-wide memory-loss spell on Spiderman, but I think Reed's help will be necessary due the out-of-scale amount of power Bob has, and due to the fact that they'll basically have to erase an entire man's (and his alter-egos') existence from the multiverse, not just his name.

My bet is that Doom will try to control Sentry (and the Void) for his own gain at some point, and when Bob comes out of Doom's reach he'll ask Strange and Reed to just make him disappear. It's awfully tragic but it'd be comic-accurate, this man is designed not to be happy, like, ever (😭)

[breathing-in-waves]

Who everyone assumes is Muse:

Who I want to be Muse:

[prent1ssjareau]

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT AGATHA ALL ALONG AND THE MULTIVERSE

1. We know that Rio is the personification of Death and that she is a cosmic being, but how does that plays out when we factor in all the timelines and the multiverse? Is she the only personification of Death - like an interdimensional being? What does being a cosmic being entails? Does she exist in all planes of existence all at once? Is she also bound by the rules of time or is she some sort of 5th dimensional being? (is What If...? MCU canon?)

2. If Rio is a singular being and if she can coast every timeline and the multiverse - what happens if she meets a variant of Agatha Harkness? Does she love Agatha in every universe just like how Dr. Stephen Strange feels about Christine and Wanda feels about her twins? If she only ever loved 616 Agatha and Nicolas is a manifestation of her love for Agatha, does it mean that there's also only one Nicolas across the multiverse? Is that why Agatha didn't try to look for Nicky just like Wanda did because her Nicky is a singular being just like his mother?

ps. I've always thought that Dr. Strange telling Christine "I love you in every universe" was so romantic (?) but then these questions came up and now it seems so shallow especially when I realized the possibility of Rio exclusively loving 616 Agatha,,, now that would be much more romantic (and heartbreaking). Also, wtf Stephen Strange haven't he heard of the continuity theory of self? (im a stephen stan btw i love that wizard in his silly cloak)

[legalandnotease]

Hey! I'm just curious, what's your stance on Tony's comment at Bucky during CW? it was something like "calm down Manchurian candidate, there's a truce here." and then something like "I'm not after you YET" cuz it genuinely gave me the fucking creeps. Like, it strongly suggests that tony knows bucky has been brainwashed/zombified as the winter soldier, and still tries to murder him down the line, blaming bucky directly for his parents deaths? IDK, it really strikes an odd chord within me like that whole theory that tony always knew and was - at bare minimum - complacent with HYDRA and/or actually wanted to kill Bucky to avoid being discovered for his and his parents association with them

it was something like "calm down Manchurian candidate, there's a truce here." and then something like "I'm not after you YET" cuz it genuinely gave me the fucking creeps.

I remember that first part, the Manchurian Candidate bit, but I don't remember him saying that second part. I am not saying you are wrong, I just don't recollect Tony saying that- was it under his breath?

Can you post a screenshot or GIF which shows that dialog?

Like, it strongly suggests that tony knows bucky has been brainwashed/zombified as the winter soldier, and still tries to murder him down the line, blaming bucky directly for his parents deaths?

oh yeah, Tony 100% knew about Bucky's mind control long before Siberia, and that line does indeed prove it. I always assumed he found out as a result of Nat's data leak- but if that is the case why didn't he find out about his parents the same way?

IDK, it really strikes an odd chord within me like that whole theory that tony always knew and was - at bare minimum - complacent with HYDRA and/or actually wanted to kill Bucky to avoid being discovered for his and his parents association with them

I mean it was public knowledge that Howard recruited a ton of ex-HYDRA scientists as part of Operation Paperclip, so nothing to hide there. But... what if Howard was more involved then anybody knew? We do see in Endgame that he was inordinaatey close to Zola, even giving him a fond pet name. He must have suspected something was off about the guy especially since he was well aware of his war rec

I mean it was public knowledge that Howard recruited a ton of ex-HYDRA scientists as part of Operation Paperclip, so nothing to hide there. But... what if Howard was more involved then anybody knew? We do see in Endgame that he was inordinaatey close to Zola, even giving him a fond pet name. I've always wondered if Howard knew something was off about the guy especially since he was well aware of his war record.

And ... it does seem as though Tony wanted Bucky dead before Siberia. I mean taking T'Challa to the airport fight even though he'd very publicly and verbally threatened to kill Bucky several times beforehand? That's careless at best, suss at worst.

I mean it seems that the government had it in for Bucky too- what with Ross kill order. Which is also interesting- one cannot help thinking its because they were worried Bucky knew too much. Too much about people in high places and their dirty secets or HYDRA associations?

There's also other things- Tony fans say that Tony didn't hunt Bucky down after Siberia- but there's actually no evidence for that. In fact, Steve makes a remark in the Post-Credit scene that's interesting- "they will come for him if they know he's here". Its when he thanks T'Challa after Bucky goes back into cryo in Wakanda.

Who was the "they?" Ross? The authorities? I mean that probably is it, but Bucky had been proven innocent of the Vienna bombing by then. Also its interesting Ross says nothing about Bucky when he questions Natasha about Steve's location in Black Widow.

So I wonder did the "they" include Tony?

I mean all this is all circumstantial- but its interesting to explore. I am fascinated by that theory TBH. It almost seems at times like Tony protested a bit too loudly when he said he knew nothing about his father's associations with SHIELD. The man was the co-founder and Director. How could he have not known?

[magnetothemagnificent]

Hyper-analyzing the Thunderbolts* trailer:

I think the reason we see "Bucky" with two different hairstyles, and one looking. Well. Off. Is because one of them isn't Bucky Barnes and is actually Jack Monroe/Scourge/The Third Bucky from the 90s Thunderbolts comics.

Very very quick summary:

Jack Monroe is the second replacement Bucky who went a little crazy. He looks *identical* to Bucky Barnes. In the 90s Thunderbolts comics, he was controlled by nanites to be the supervillain Scourge, with access to an image inducer to make him look like anyone he wanted. He ran assassination hits on the Thunderbolts until he finally was broken out of his conditioning and then went off to wander around alone until he was killed by the Winter Soldier in the 2000s.

So. To recap:

-In the trailer, we see Bucky acting seemingly out of character and even looking slightly Off

-Jack Monroe is a Bucky replacement who looks just like him

-In the Thunderbolts comics, he is the villain Scourge, who has an image inducer and tries to kill the Thunderbolts (like we see Bucky do in the trailer)

Guys. I think we're gonna get Jack Monroe in the MCU.

To be clear. This is not something I *want*. I think the MCU would absolutely butcher Jack's character and completely erase his queerness. But. I do think this is a highly likely scenario we're seeing. I hope I'm wrong. However.....

[us3rn4m3n0tf0und1170]

DEADPOOL THEORY!!

Okay so, I just had a thought, and I’m gonna need you guys to bare with me on this one

So you know X Men Wolverine Origins? The one with hot lumberjack Wolverine? Yeah that one, mcu poolverine at its origin. We know that in that universe, someone with a healing factor can be killed with an adamantium bullet (or lose their memories, idk) we see in Deadpool two and in Deadpool three that Deadpool 10005 uses Cable’s Time Machine to go back and kill Origins Wade (we also see tributes in a few comics as well) BUT it’s never confirmed that Deadpool 10005 (or Deadpool prime as we’ll call him :3) shot Origins Wade with an adamantium bullet. We see in Wolverine Origins that Wade gets the same healing factor as Logan. WHICH MEANS Origins Wade is still out there in the universe somewhere. I may just be connecting loose wires here, but if Origins Wade is still alive, where would he be in the mcu right now? (My guess is somewhere in the void lol) Or did Deadpool Prime actually shoot Origins Wade with an adamantium bullet? I’d like to know y’all’s opinions on this theory :D

Lazy Deadpool sona art:

[gaylorvader]

Agatha All Along:Teen Identity Theory

Spoilers for episodes 1-3 and multiverse of madness

Disclaimer:Sorry if I repeat myself or ramble I'm writing this as I think of it. Also feel free to correct me on anything I get wrong or add to it.

Ok so this theory is very-

-but hear me out. So we don't know Teen's name, or his background. Either the sigil on him stopped Agatha from hearing it or something else did idk(the scene in the car). But my theory about him is that he might be Wiccan aka Billy Maximoff.

Now I know that there are hints that he's Agatha's lost son but I feel like that's too obvious and might be a misdirect. My dad watched it with me and he also agrees that it seems to obvious.

I don't know Wiccan's story exactly so I might get some shit wrong, please correct me if I do. But from just quickly looking it up it says that Wiccan(Billy) and Speed(Tommy) are reincarnations of Wanda's sons.

They both had different families before reuniting and realizing they're twins. So Teen having a dad at least doesn't disprove him being Wiccan.

Wiccan also didn't know that Wanda was his bio mother.

Knowing Wanda she's very protective of those she cares for, very much a "the world can burn as long as those I love are safe" type person. So I think maybe subconsciously or an alternate Wanda(though I'm leaning towards the 1st)put that sigil on him to protect him from other witches *cough*Agatha*cough* cause The Scarlet Witch's kids would obviously be a target for people like Agatha, so Wanda would want to protect them.

And I know you might be thinking "but Wanda's dead" but I don't think she is. We never see her body and in media there's a thing of "if you don't see a body they're not dead" and we haven't seen hers.

Yes in Agatha's magic prison thing there was "Wanda's" body but one:we never see the face, and two:that wasn't real it was an illusion.

My dad is also a big Marvel fan and has seen MoM with me as well as this show and he also doesn't think she's dead. Didn't after MoM and still doesn't. And unlike me he's not a Wanda simp

Yes we saw an explosion of her magic in MoM but again we haven't seen her body. We've seen Tony's, we've seen Natasha's, and we've seen Vision's, but no Wanda.

And if Teen really did break Agatha out of Wanda's spell, Wanda The Scarlett Witch Maximoff who's basically a GOD, who else could do that besides her son.

And I mean he has the same fashion sense, so clearly they're related /j

Also when looking for a good photo of him it seems like some other people have this theory so maybe it's not as crazy as I thought.

That's all I can think of for now, but if I think of anything else, either when the next episode comes out or whatever, I'll probably reblog this to add to it.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk :)

[velvet4510]

Agatha All Along has made Wanda’s last words to Tommy so much more powerful. Tommy has woken up in the body of an unloved and abused boy who has nobody and nothing. But at the end of his previous life, his mother looked directly at him when she said “We could never truly leave each other, even if we tried. You know that, right?” Even though Tommy’s lack of witchcraft makes amnesia even more likely for him than for Billy, there are also several facts that make it just as likely that he does remember Westview. One is simply his lack of love and support as Tommy Shepherd. In his lonesome new life, his mind will grasp desperately for any signs that he is loved, or that he has ever been loved … and it is inevitable that Wanda’s words will return to him, likely in a dream. Reaching out for love, he will remember his Mom and Dad who adored him, who fought witches and murderous AIs to protect him. He also will sense Billy, just as Billy senses him, his name likely being his first word when he emerges from the pool.

There are some other possible factors. Though not a witch like his brother, Tommy is a product of Chaos Magic. There must be some magic contained within his powers that make him a far more mystical being than his similarly-powered uncle ever was. Also, the fact that Billy was reliving their last moments together at the moment their souls reconnected and Tommy was guided back to life. Highly likely those memories were shared between them. Perhaps it was Tommy himself who gave those memories back to Billy as they made contact.

This could be a result of Tommy and Billy’s balance as twins, as two halves of one whole - one half remembers Westview and the other does not. For the past three years, Billy has breathed for them, and Tommy has carried the memories with him in the incorporeal plane for them. The core elements of their existence - the memory and the here-and-now - were shared, split between them. Now, Billy has given Tommy his life back, and Tommy has begun giving Billy the memories back.

[lucianalight]

Anyway is it just me or does it seem like mcu is trying to replace infinity stones with characters having the same power?

Loki=Time

Wanda=Reality

Agatha=Power

Strange could be Soul since he could control the souls in MoM? And I haven't watched The Marvels but from the trailer it looked like they were changing places so maybe they're Space? Who could be the Mind though? Vision perhaps?

[idkbroletssee]

MCU Billy Kaplan is William Kaplan's imaginative mind coupled with Billy Maximoff's ability to manifest it. He's survived by Jeff & Rebecca Kaplan's love & their values while influenced by Wanda's greatness & Agatha's darkness alike. He is unconditionally supported by Eddie & irrevocably motivated by Tommy. And i haven't even begun with the Demiurge potential.

His story is very potent. I hope they can make some of these work❤💙

[emo-clarence]

They are going to speak to Alice (or at least her spirit) in the last episodes!

And here’s how I know it. Obviously, we’ve seen the clips of her in the trailers, so she is going to be seen again somehow. But I’m convinced they are going to speak to her using a summoning circle. And the best part is- the show has been telling us this in every single episode…. IN THE CREDITS!

Very quickly- almost blink if you’ll miss it, this comes up before Ali Ahn’s name:

It says “Can You Talk To The Dead?”

And Ali Ahn’s name appears over a classic summoning circle:

Every other image behind the actor’s credits relates to their character in a very direct way. Jennifer’s credit has crystals, Sharon’s has flowers, etc.

This summoning circle has never been seen in the show before, and has not been associated with Alice in any way.

But look what is in the trailers and promo materials for the last few episodes…

There has also been shots of a hand drawing a circle with chalk on the ground, and candles being lit up:

Which is all crazy, because the show has been telling us all along. They are going to talk to Alice again using a summoning circle!!

[house-of-maximoff]

How Wanda is Still Alive!!!

Spoilers for Agatha All Along continue reading at your own risk.

Okay, in Agatha All Along we find out that Billy was able to jump into another person’s body. What if Wanda did the same thing. I know Marvel will want Elizabeth Olsen to play Wanda again, so I think that Wanda will return from an alternate version of herself who does die. I’m sure there is a Wanda who died at the same time, given there is so many universes. So I think that’s how she lived.