#bad father gabriel >:(

[justanotherpersonsuniverse]

tw eye strain

they mashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together and let other people clean up the mess they made - Nathalie and the Lovers.

[frogloinz]

Overwatch x Breaking Bad.

Cole and Gabriel’s dynamic will always remind me of Jesse and Walt. I have many ideas and I also don’t.

[drtwit]

Random Fic Idea

Since I've been seeing more people reading this post, just a heads up: the fic has been made.

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You know, we have a lot of 'Villain Chat Noir' AU fics, but is there any that have it be positive?

Like, Adrien getting to work along side his father actually leads to more father/son bonding because their villain identities are both goofy drama queens who finally found something they have in common. As well as both having outlets for the frustration of what they have to pretend to be in their real lives.

In the day time, Gabriel is sitting in his office, lecturing Adrien about upholding the Agreste name and dolling out his strict schedule. By night, Hawkmoth and Chat Noir are hold up in the lair, brainstorming puns and quips while Chat gently tells him to stop akumatizing Mr. Pigeon.

Their version of a fishing trip is stealing from the Dupain Bakery. "We're rich, can't we just pay?" "No, because we're evil." *Chat proceeds to leave money on the counter anyway.*

Gabriel coldly reprimands Adrien for getting anything less than an A, while Hawkmoth akumatizes the teacher who dared give his son a B+.

Ladybug is like 'Oh my god, there's two of them.' as Chat and Hawkmoth synchronise their team rocker-ass intro speeches and Mayura's just shaking her head because she has to live with these two goobers.

Gabriel's making a snobbish speech about those damn hooligans wasting their time with silly shenanigans, all while Adrien's resisting the urge to laugh 'cus Hawkmoth akumatized a baby yesterday and spent half of the fight trying to get the baby to pronounce his name right.

Master Fu wonders what horrors the villains are putting his innocent kwamis through, and it just cuts to Nooroo and Plagg dropping the beat.

Chat: *Starts helping old ladies across the street.* Hawkmoth: I knew that Marinette Dupain Cheng was a bad influence on you!

Adrien in the middle of class having a heart attack as an akuma flies straight into the window trying to get his attention. Adrien: Father, now is not the time! Hawkmoth: I just- I just- I just want to check if Chloe's pissed anyone else off yet. Adrien: Didn't Nathalie say no akumatizing until you finish your paperwork? Hawkmoth: She's not the boss of- Nathalie: Gabriel, I can hear you monologuing from the dining room. You better not be interrupting Adrien's education! Hawkmoth: Gotta go!

Adrien: Father, can you not akumatize one of my friends for five minutes?

Hawkmoth: Young man, what do you think you're doing? Plagg: Don't panic, Kid. Show him who's boss. We don't take grief from anybody. Adrien: I'm r-rebelling, Father. You don't own me! Hawkmoth: I do, however, own all of Plagg's cheese. Plagg: ...Okay, Kid, let's think about this-

[nixthelapin]

The irony of Émilie leaving her rich, restrictive family to explore the world only to also restrict her kid to the house and a social group that’s just an extension of her own

[miraculouslbcnreactions]

I asked @generalluxun this while your asks were closed, but when would be a better time for the Emilie flashback from Werepapas? They suggested Style Queen as a comparison between 'good parents' vs 'bad parents', and it's a good one. Since you were discussing the Emilie flashback before, I wanted to get your input.

(My post on the Werepapas flashback and I believe this was generalluxun's post on Style Queen)

I agree with generalluxun's thesis statement that you want to use a flashback like this in an episode that has a clear message about good parents vs bad parents which Werepapas doesn't. As I discussed in another post about that episode, while Werepapas ends with Nathalie officially taking on the role of Adrien's mother, the episode does nothing to make Nathalie seem like a good mother. The only good parental figures in that episode are Gabriel's parents. They actually seem to want what's best for their grandson and are willing to actively fight for him. Meanwhile, Nathalie does whatever people tell her to do while showing off the spine of a jellyfish. She was going to let Emilie's parents take Adrien away even though she knew what they were like and knew that Emilie didn't want them in Adrien's life. Not a great look for the episode that's all about Nathalie becoming legally responsible for Adrien for the next 4 years or so.

The other key element of using the Emilie flashback is that the flashback needs to actually matter to the characters in the episode. That was yet another one of Werepapas' major flaws. The episode opened with Emilie talking about what makes a good parent, but no one in the episode actually cared what Emilie wanted or thought. We don't see anyone quoting her words or Adrien remembering those words and using them to decide who he's going to pick for his new guardian. Marinette is the one who tells him who to pick based on what he seems to want and she never even knew that this conversation with Emilie happened, begging the question of why this was even here?

All that being said, I do think that this flashback could have worked in Werepapas. I discussed how to do that in the post that spawned this ask, but anon seems to want to know where else I'd put the flashback. There isn't really an obvious answer to that question. I can't think of an episode that fits the above criteria (message about parents + Emilie feeling relevant). There aren't any episodes that focus on what makes a person a good parent and the episodes that could be shaped to fit that mold aren't centered around Adrien, making the Emilie flashback feel out of place.

That's why generalluxun suggested reworking Style Queen to be a more focused on Gabriel's parenting than it currently is. That fix absolutely works if you let Style Queen end the series since that episode ends with Gabriel giving up the butterfly for Adrien's sake, a nice contrast to Audrey's terrible treatment of Chloe in the same episode. Of course Style Queen doesn't end the series which means that the parenting message quickly falls apart which generalluxun already noted in the linked post, so please don't read that as a criticism of the suggestion! I liked the Style Queen suggestion, I'm just agreeing that it's only a solid fix in a vacuum or AU setting.

Any fix I come up with is going to require similar changes to canon and most of them would have the same issue of the message being undone in the next episode assuming that we're going the route where Gabriel is a good dad. The only episode that wouldn't immediately undo the lesson is the season five final so let's go with that one for the most canon compliant fix (which is still not very canon compliant).

If Adrien was involved in the season five final, then you could make this Emilie flashback be the thing that changes Gabriel's heart. Fix the flashback so that it's no longer Emilie and Adrien by themselves. Instead, it's all three of the Agrestes talking about parents and grandparents. You could even make Gabriel's parents be similarly flawed so that both Emilie and Gabriel have had to cut off people they love because of the way those people behaved.

This flashback would be how we open the season five final. The episode then plays out in a way where Adrien actually shows up for the final fight. Instead of Marinette playing Gabriel a lackluster video, we get Adrien quoting his mother, reminding Gabriel of that long ago day, making Gabriel see that he's become exactly like the parents he and Emilie cut off. You could even have Nathalie do something to protect Adrien to establish herself as the better parent between the two of them, giving Gabriel an Adrien-based reason to save her instead of himself. Going my beloved make-Adrien-a-human-to-symbolize-Gabriel-truly-giving-up-control route would also work. Both of these options give the episode a clear theme and message which is more than I can say about canon's version of the final.

That's the simplest fix with the least changes to canon. Now let's get really crazy and redo all of season five!

To make this message really work, I'd nix the love square drama that dominated season five and make the whole season focused on what makes a good parent verses a bad parent. The potential is actually there even if the show ignored it. Remember, season five sees all of the following:

Jagged stepping up to protect Luka

Andre abandoning Chloe

Audrey abusing Chloe

Marinette's parents not believing her when Chloe accuses her of theft

Tomoe abusing Kagami

Amelie protecting and supporting Felix no matter what he does

Nathalie pushing Gabriel to spend more time with Adrien since she knows that Gabriel is dying

Tomoe and Gabriel ignoring what Kagami and Adrien want from their lives

Several adults (Sabine included) failing to protect Marinette from extreme bullying

And that's just the stuff that I remember happening! There's probably more that you can use or you could just add more. Maybe let us finally see Nino's parents? I'd also want to fix this list so that there are more good parent moments as it's currently almost all bad, but that's a nitpick. You get what I'm going for here. Have most of the episodes have message around good parenting or bad parenting or even both to give the season a theme that fits our fixed final because that's how these shows are supposed to work! That's why My Little Pony made Twilight the princess of friendship after five season dedicated to messages about friendship! It's not exactly rocket science.

Alternatively, if we're allowed to be a little more serialized and deep, then you could have the Emilie flashback kick off season five in an episode that ends with Adrien reflecting on his father, wondering if Gabriel is a bad parent. After all, season four ended with Gabriel trying to ship Adrien out of the country against his will. That's the kind of thing that might make a person start to question their home life.

Adrien's reflection leads us into the same season we pitched above. We get a clear central theme about parenthood and what makes a good parent. The only difference is that, as the season goes on, Adrien comes to accept that Gabriel may have been a good father in the past, but he no longer is (he could even decide that Gabriel was never a good father). This leads into the reveal that Gabriel is Monarch. While Adrien is heartbroken, he isn't destroyed by the reveal because he's already mourned the loss of his father and accepted that Gabriel doesn't belong in his life. You know, the kind of thing that you're supposed to do when you decide to make the super villain the male lead's father?

Since it's topical, I'll note that I have no idea what canon is doing re Adrien and Gabriel in season six. Season six seems to acknowledge that Gabriel wasn't great and even seems to have my suggested theme of what makes a good parent, but it's not clear where that theme is going. It would be nice if the answer was Adrien realizing that Gabriel was a bad father, but I would not get my hopes up based on what we've seen so far. This has not been the season of cutting bad parents out of your life. It's been the season of forgiving parents who make mistakes. Since it's the episode that spawned this post, I'll point to Werepapas as a prime example of why I'm concerned about where we're going. You really think that Emil's so-called redemption was a sign that we're getting a Gabriel sucked message?

Even if the message of season six ends up being that Gabriel was bad, it's not going to be a satisfying message. All of the Gabriel-focused plots lost their potential to be amazing when he died. I don't really care if Adrien realizes that his father was bad in season six because the payoff for that realization is never going to be totally satisfying now that Gabriel is dead. This wasn't a show about a boy reflecting on his dead parents. It was a show about a boy actively fighting his living father! I wanted a resolution that fit that setup and I'm never going to get it. The most the story can give us is Adrien being furious at his father's minions.

The idea of Adrien getting justifiably angry at Marinette because she kept his father's villainy a secret is just depressing because where's the happy ending in that? Where's the satisfaction? Yeah, what she did was wrong, but she's not the main villain here. The reason the lie is so bad is because of the stuff Gabriel did. His actions are what give it weight. That means that the story has essentially made Marinette a proxy for the actual villain who died at peace and will never have to suffer the consequences of how his actions hurt his son.

Adrien getting mad at Marinette and cutting her off because she hid his father's crimes is a wildly different story beat than Adrien getting mad at and cutting off his living, breathing, villainous father because said father did some heinous crimes. I really don't want to see Marinette pay for Gabriel's crimes, but that's the only thing canon can give us at this point. It's also worth pointing out that an ending like that is the writers once again letting Gabriel win. He never wanted Adrienette to be together and he may just get his wish from beyond the grave. Yay?

[miraculous-lesbians]

Adrian Andrews from Ace Attorney is like Nathalie but if she finally got the fuck out of there-

[thetardisisnotourdivision]

I feel like it wasn't addressed in that new episode that maaaayyyyyyyybe the reason that Marinette and Adrien are struggling a little to make their relationship work is because Marinette just effectively killed Adrien's father, who had forbidden their relationship, and even though Adrien does not know this HE SURE AS HELL KNOWS THAT HIS FATHER, WHO FORBADE HIS RELATIONSHIP, IS DEAD.

[im-out-of-it]

YOU COULD NEVER MAKE ME HATE GABRIEL OR GIDEON LIGHTWOOD

you could never get me on Will’s side when Gabriel and Gideon Lightwood exist. don’t forget that Will threw the first punch. so if Will wants to be a bastard towards Gabriel, he can so choose to but he knows and we all know that Gabriel didn’t start that war between them. it honestly amazes me how almost everyone in TID is so awful towards Gabriel and acts as though he started the transgression. while yes Gabriel has his moments, but why is there constantly blame towards Gabriel but Will is excused???????

don’t forget that Will said Benedict has a taste for liking demons and downworlders more than he should and how he treated Tessa as some whore. as if that was the only purpose she served him. he was a rude and entitled dick the second he arrived at the institute. never being kind to the woman who was always there, Charlotte or to Henry. who by the way always had his back.

excusing his behavior with a sticker FAKE CURSE will never work on me

I’ll never get over how everyone in the end of TID basically forgives Will for being a dick. “oh he had a fake curse all is well!” ALL IS NOT FUCKING WELL. Cecily loves gabriel but she allows Will’s nasty behavior towards gabriel. also don’t forget that Will made a remark of how gabriel would only use Cecily- oh because he can’t actually have feelings for Cecily?

everyone excuses his behavior and yes he’s as bad as jace. he’s awful to Jem and the only reason Will is semi likebale is because of Jem. basically saying hey Tessa can have Jem for now until he dies than I’ll have her. he was terrible to Tatiana- pre TLH where she was just a young girl with an infatuation WHO DID NOTHING WRONG

I can’t believe no one ever holds Will accountable. actually I can because it’s CC and she will never hold her favorite golden irritations accountable. she’ll never have James Will jace ever take responsibility and accountability. and while James isn’t as awful as the other two, he basically treats Cordelia as this sex object, makes Matthew feel bad for liking Cordelia, makes everything about him, and I did not see him grieve Kit. he’s not as bad but he’s still up there on the list

and if you think TID Gabriel treatment is bad, just remember that in TLH, Will and Tessa constantly need to fuck during terrifying moments where people die and we never get to see Gabriel and Cecily ‘s reaction to Christopher dying as well as Gabriel and Cecily hardly getting a word in when Alexander THEIR FUCKING TODDLER gets kidnapped and is tortured

OH AND DONT FORGET THAT GABRIEL HAD TO KILL HIS FATHER AND WILL MAKES A JOKE AND A SONG ABOUT IT AND NO ONE SAYS A THING

but how dare Gabriel make some disability jokes about Jem (which is also bad) and anything he says and anytime he breathes is some insult to everyone. I do hold Gabriel and Gideon accountable but they actually grow. they don’t sit in the back being hypocrites acting like they’re untouchable and using some excuse for their shitty behavior

you think hey maybe Will can grow as a person and NOPE WONT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

my hate gets ignited for him during my TID readings and I’m reminded how shitty of a brother, father, friend he truly is

[unhindged-mlb]

Gabriel agreste is actually my mortal enemy. if i ever meet him you’d better believe its on sight

[marune2]

Gabriel silver and Zera cassia: god forbidden them the kitchen

Zera cassia is @lyranova oc

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Zera:are you sure food can move?

Gabriel:hm I’m not sure we’ll did. we even put tentacles in it?

Zera:I believe ur food live….

Gabriel:well I don’t believe tomato souse should looking like this………

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Whit William

Mimosa:uh sir something horrible happened „looking nervous

William alarmed :what is

Mimosa:uh Gabriel and you wife are cooking…..

William standing up and running to the kitchen ok he’s wife is not mate for the kitchen and Gabriel? He don’t know……….

Mad he came on see he a Gabriel feeding a creature in a looking pot

William:what happened and what is this?!

Zera:uh we try to cooking….Gabriel wanted to make something for father day…….from us all…..

Gabriel:well now it’s didn’t go as planned but hey we have a pet now say hello to mr.puffy“pointing to the creature in the pot

Zera:well this whas a tomato souse we have no idea how it looks like this how it looks we didn’t even put octopus in it or something like this……..

William:…….

William:thank your but the kitchen is nothing for your tow now I will letting take yuno taking care of mr‘puffy

After this day is it we’ll known NEVER let Gabriel whit William’s wife together in the kitchen NEVER

[sapphicgoblinblog]

And the worst villain ever written award goes to...

Gabriel (Hawkmoth) Agreste! He's also won the worst father award.

[eraserheadadult]

that scene in the arc where xena is pregnant & ares asks who the father is and xena just says gabrielle with no hesitation and they wink at each other. they were, and i cannot emphasize this enough, so insane for this

[unhindged-mlb]

*Marinette and Adrien sitting in jail together*

Marinette: So who should we call?

Adrien: I’d call my father, but I feel safer in jail

[saturnrin]

Ephemeral is so unrealistic. Gabriel Agreste would never personally check on his son in the middle of the night.

At most, he'd send Natalie to do it for him.

[galactic-space]

*rises from the ashes*

Miraculous ladybug gen 2 but we actually talk about the crazy bs that was ladybug and cat noirs relationship. Like serious convo on how good AND horrible they were together.

[innercyber]

The audacity to make him get Ladybugs miraculously and his own after treating him like absolute shit 🙁

Oh Gabriel is SCUM SCUM HUH

YOU!!! WANTED!!!! YOUR MIDDLE SCHOOL ORPHANED SON!!! TO DO WHAT!!!! AFTER YOU DECIDED TO FUCK OFF ON YOUR OWN!!!!! WHAT!!!