#character discourse

[atomicpatrolcreation]

‎I've seen a persistent trend in the fandom of portraying Cassie Sandsmark as a queer girl struggling with internalized homophobia or emotional repression. And honestly, that just doesn't align with her backstory, environment, or personality.‎‎

Cassie was raised by Helena Sandsmark, a strong, independent, open-minded woman. She's not a repressive or conservative figure — quite the opposite. Helena has always supported her daughter, even when Cassie’s life drastically changed upon entering the mythological world of the Amazons.‎

On top of that, Cassie was trained by Diana of Themyscira, a canonically bisexual woman who embodies free love, respect for identity, and sisterhood.‎ She was also guided by Artemis Grace, another powerful, unapologetically bisexual figure.‎‎

Are we really supposed to believe that Cassie, raised around powerful, loving queer women, would grow up feeling shame or guilt about her identity if she were queer?‎‎

If Cassie were a lesbian, she would be confident, proud, and surrounded by support. There’s no narrative foundation for painting her as a broken girl who hates herself for who she loves. That trope doesn’t belong to her.‎‎

Now, a character who does fit that narrative is Cissie King-Jones.‎ Cissie was raised by Bonnie, a mother who projected her own frustrations onto her daughter, pressured her to be perfect, and micromanaged her public image.‎ That’s the kind of environment where repression, guilt, and fear of rejection could realistically take root.

If we’re going to talk about internalized homophobia, Cissie has the context, the trauma, and the canon support for it.‎‎ Cassie doesn’t.

‎She doesn’t need that kind of pain to validate her identity. Not every queer character has to suffer through self-hatred. ‎Sometimes, they just grow up in a healthy environment. And that’s valid too.‎‎

PS: If Cassie were queer, she'd be bisexual or pansexual (that's my headcanon and I’m standing by it).‎ She could even be polyamorous — and yes, that’s also crossed my mind, especially because the bond within the core four really lends itself to that kind of reading.‎

[kaeyaswifefromsnezhnaya]

"fiction affects reality", then what about fiction about good? If we start creating content about a better life, will it change anything in reality? It would be nice

But I doubt it

[lovely-cherubs]

"We want/need more complex female characters!"

But y'all couldn’t even handle them 🤨🙄😒

[perseidlion]

I like to think that if Edwin had lived, he would have quietly embraced his sexuality. I love how in the show that the anguish Edwin feels is more about being known on a deeper level, and that his affection is focused on his best friend rather than struggling with his sexuality. I think Edwin has known for a long time that he was gay, even if he didn't acknowledge it or put words to it.

We think of Edwin and the time he came from as pretty buttoned-up and therefore closeted. But until the modern era, it was actually one of the freer times for queer people in London. It was more about scandals with married men or high-up people having affairs than your average man going to an underground club or having a lover on the side. This was at the same time as the Weimar Republic in Germany where queer people were living openly. It was one of those periods in history where queer rights took several steps forward and then were forced backward.

I think Edwin is uptight because that's a way of asserting control over a life where he's had very little rather than a classic closet-case. He had to shrink himself so much in Hell. The demon chasing him was all about not drawing attention to himself lest he be destroyed. It was the horrific personification of the fear of being known.

We see him start to get over that by the end of season 1. He's confessed to Charles. He's started flirting back with the Cat King. He was uncomfortable with Monty's affections not because he was a boy, but because he didn't feel that way about him.

So I like to picture the Edwin Payne who lived as having a rich social life with his favourite underground clubs and subtle flirtations. And I imagine he would have fallen in love (probably more than once) and maybe settled into the life of a 'bachelor' with a long-time lover. Or perhaps he'd find a woman who the arrangement benefitted as well and married her.

Maybe he got sent to the trenches of WWI (almost certainly, given his age) and maybe he loved and lost someone there.

In any case, I prefer this headcanon over him being closeted and unsure of himself. I prefer to imagine him not as a cliche closeted man from the past, but as someone who just never got a chance to shine and really know himself.

[twst-hottest-takes]

I sent that ask about Malleus's treatment being unfair and now that it's over I'm going to make my point more clear, since it seems it wasn't last time.

Malleus's crimes:

-Putting people to sleep on a wide scale

-Less injuries that a *sports* tournament (according to Epel)

The other overblots' crimes:

-Attempted murder, including targeted murder and wiping out *all life* (aka murder on a wide scale)

Malleus's consequences:

-Accidentally killed his own father

-Physically maimed

-Magically disabled

-Losing the entire foundation of who he is and having to rebuild his identity from scratch

-The trauma of his actions

The other overblots' consequences:

-Riddle was socially shunned for a while (and even this is shown mostly in other media, not the game)

-The trauma of their actions

Meanwhile the other overblots say that Malleus deserves further punishment (to which Crowley thankfully points out they have no right to speak) as does a fair chunk of the fanbase. How does this make any sense? Might I also add that the only ones who ever apologized for their actions are Riddle, Vil, and *Malleus.* So why is it that Malleus is seen as being so much worse than the others? Why is Malleus called a monster, a living disaster, and the enemy of mankind (all things said in canon) and nobody else has anything similar said about them? I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be consequences, I'm arguing that the scale of it does not align with twst's previous messaging and themes. Whether or not Malleus's consequences are fair in general is one thing, but in comparison with our previous standards it's wildly unfair. And yet people are still calling for more, and fans are being rude to Diasomnia fans about it. It simply doesn't add up.

As for Silver, nowhere did I say Silver should pay for his father's crimes. I said that his *father* never earned the right for his image to be restored because he stood idly by against what he thought was wrong. Silver shouldn't have to be used to restore his *father's* image, when that image doesn't align with who Silver is.

Dear Anon,

I was writing a well thought out and sincere response essay to your initial take, but since you're back and doubling down I'm just going to tell you why you're wrong.

WARNING: The following response is pretty rude. Malleus gets everything he had coming to him and here's why. . .

No, really.

This is going to sound "mean."

You didn't even bother to address the questions I presented in my previous response.

You aren't going to like this.

Stop scrolling. . .

WHAT PART OF, "MALLEUS DRACONIA IS CAUSING A WORLD-ENDING MAGICAL CATASTROPHY," DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?????

The story established that PEOPLE WOULD DIE if the spell wasn't broken. Malleus had absolutely no intention of stopping what he was doing. He didn't stop at just Lilia, or the party, or the school, or even stop at Sage's Island. He was going to curse the whole of Twisted Wonderland. If he wasn't stopped by force EVERYONE WOULD HAVE DIED, and you're trying to tell me that it's not as bad as Riddle (whose overblot never affected anyone outside of the unbirthday party), Leona, and Vil (who's rampages were contained to a sports stadium) because he "Wasn't trying to hurt anyone"? Because "No one actually ended up getting hurt"?No. I'm not going to feel bad about the sentient manifestation of a mass extinction event being referred to as, "The enemy of humanity." If something or someone is threatening the entire population of the world (including beastmen, merfolk, and other fae) then he is in fact an enemy of everyone under threat, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE. You ever hear "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"? Yeah. That. Malleus didn't want to kill people, but that's effectively what he was doing and ignoring that fact is blatantly irresponsible. On a better day? Everyone's fear of Malleus is largely misplaced and of course calling him an enemy of humanity would be inherently prejudiced and way out of line. BUT THAT WAS NOT THE SITUATION AT THE TIME AND YOU ARE IGNORING THE THREAT HE VERY MUCH POSED IN FAVOR OF BABYING HIM OVER HIS INTENTIONS!

Let's recap here: MULTIPLE PEOPLE TRIED TO TALK MALLEUS DOWN AND GET HIM TO STOP OF HIS OWN ACCORD. Pray tell, dear Anon, what should they have done after that? You want to compare overblots? Let's compare overblots.

Every prior overblot in this story has been resolved by every nearby available person beating the ever loving snot out of the guilty party until it was over. As a result, five out of six previous overblots were ended within an hour of them occurring. Idia at the time was an exception and had been overblotted for several hours by the time he was knocked back to his senses. In the case of the Tartarus crisis, they even used STYX most powerful anti-blot weapons (the thunder spears) to attack the Shroud brothers because it was necessary to use potentially lethal force to stop the phantoms from breaking out of the facility and effectively save the world. THEY DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO AND THEY DID NOT HOLD BACK! THEY DID NOT KNOW IF THEY COULD SAVE IDIA! In this way, Malleus is being treated EXACTLY like the other overblotters. When Malleus Draconia overblots, they tried the usual tactics. They tried to collectively overpower him at the farewell party and no one could touch him. Everyone was helpless to stop him. They all fell to his magic quick as winking. Malleus Draconia has TERRIFYING AMOUNTS OF MAGIC. So when he won't listen to reason, WHAT IN THE NINE HELLS ARE THEY SUPPOSE TO DO TO STOP HIM FROM ENDING LIFE ON THE PLANET AS THEY KNOW IT?

. . .

I know.

How about something they've been doing since the start of the story?

TAKE AWAY HIS MAGIC!

You know, what Riddle's signature spell does? What he did to Grim in the prologue? What he did to Leona when confronting him about the sports sabotage? Remember how in order to STOP RIDDLE FROM KILLING PEOPLE Trey overwrote his signature spell so that they would stand a fighting chance? Remember when the previous overblotters (and Grim) were immediately dressed in anti-magic collars to avoid issues when they were brought to STYX to be vetted? It's almost like we established that this is a thing people do in Twisted Wonderland do to handle magical emergencies.

Truly and honestly, what are you supposed to do when one of the five most powerful mages in the world poses a threat to your very existence and those you love? Try talking him down AGAIN? It makes complete and total sense to try and make Malleus weaker. How are they supposed to fight and beat him to stop the world as they know it from ending when he has access to the UNHOLY AMOUNTS OF MAGIC that they have repeatedly established he has? That they have been bested by repeatedly. NO ONE IN ON OR OFF OF SAGE'S ISLAND HAD BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH HIM OR DO ANYTHING AGAINST HIS POWER FOR DAYS! HE HAS BEEN OVERBLOTTING FOR DAYS WITHOUT A STOP TO HIS EXPANDING SPHERE OF INFLUENCE ENVELOPING THE WORLD! Cutting off his horns was a perfectly valid step to take because THEY QUITE LITERALLY HAD NO OTHER OPTIONS!

As for leaving him dismembered and disabled. . .

First off, let's remember that I just pointed out that the fate of the world was resting on that decision, and they had no other choice.

Secondly. . .

You have got to be kidding me.

Are you really comparing Malleus losing a PIECE of ONE of his horns to someone losing a limb? It's not even like losing your pinky finger! It's maybe sorta kinda like getting a nail torn out. HIS HORN WILL GROW BACK.

"But magic is second nature to fae so it IS like losing a__"

Shut up. No it's not.

He can still use magic. HE IS NOT DISABLED!

Oh no! One of the top five most powerful mages on the planet can't casually use magic to deal with every element of his daily life and fix every minor inconvenience he's presented with anymore. He might have to struggle to do things now. WHAT EVER WILL POOR MALLEUS DO NOW THAT HE'S NOT EXPONENTIALLY MORE POWERFUL THAN ALL HIS PEERS AND TEACHERS!? I GUESS HE'LL JUST HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL LIKE EVERYONE ELSE! HOW DARE HE BE HUMANIZED! HOW DARE THIS PRECIOUS TRAUMATIZED MAGESTIC PRINCELY OVERPOWERED DRAGON IN HUMAN FORM BE FORCED TO LIVE LIKE THE COMMON FOLK!

I guess he'll just have to learn to see things through the eyes of his peers and have a new perspective on life he wasn't privvy to previously now that magic isn't something he can fling around casually. Seriously. How dare Malleus be given character development potential when none of the other overblotters were treated like this. IT'S SSOOOOOO UNFAAAAAAIIIRRRRRRR!!!1!1!1!1!!

Oh yeah, do you want to keep comparing him to the other overblotters? Because with how much of his horn he lost, he's about as disfigured as Leona. You know. The guy with the scar? Malleus has a scar now, however, unlike Leona's, Malleus' scar will disappear.

Have I mentioned how Riddle was in the same boat of abusing his power because he thought he was doing "the right thing" because he was also traumatized as a child? Riddle is so weak by comparison and caused so little a comparative fuss that a punch to the face and getting hassled by his dormmates is justice by TWST standards (we all know this is a writng problem for this game in general, right?). And you REALLY don't want me to mention how every other person who overblotted acted out of their minds with rage and pent up emotions as they did violent things that they ordinarily wouldn't consider while Malleus was oddly lucid and could actually consider being talked to while he cursed the world. Malleus was destroying the world and in enough of his right mind to consider stopping. But no, Malleus is the one being treated unfairly.

Dear Anon, Malleus Draconia has always been an extreme character. He's always been extremely powerful and used his magic flippantly with little regard for how others feel about it. His overblot caused an extreme situation that the rest of the cast was forced to take extreme measures to deal with. Him being treated "differently" from all of the other overblotters is DIRCTLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE DANGER HE POSED. On the extreme scale Malleus is working on, he is certainly not worse off than any other previous chapters' final bosses. So, no, I don't care that people called him mean names when he was slowly destroying the world. I don't care that his magic was "nerfed" and now he has to come down off his high horse and live a little like everyone else now. And I really don't care that fans are asking for more justice to be done JUST LIKE THEY DO WITH EVERY OTHER OVERBLOTTER WHO GOT OFF WITH A SLAP ON THE WRIST! WE DEMAND MORE FROM ALL OF THEM! Malleus is NOT an exception.

"Thank you for your take."

And yes, saying that Silver should not have his heroic moment as a knight in shining armor because that armor was worn when committing war crimes IS devaluing Silver based on his father's sins. Being a knight in shining armor is completely in character for Silver (AS A FREAKING DISNEY PRINCESS), and the fact that he is doing a good thing is meant to CONTRAST with his father who did bad things, NOT absolve said father of wrongdoing. The same tool that was once used for evil is now being used for good. IT'S POETIC!

[lackablazeical]

As a touch averse person I hate when characters are touch averse 'except for that one person' or when they're sad or smthn. No one touches me. Let's keep that around. Respect boundaries and stop erasing neurodivergent traits for your little ships or whatever

[rants-about-opm]

I would have preferred if Garou had kept his memory after the whole time travel adventure, and managed to do something Saitama and Genos hadn't: realize that Saitama is a problem.

I wish garou would have run off into the jungles like he did in the webcomic and just gone absolutely bonkers with forbidden knowledge, finally seeing that every big conflict comes to a head with this bald man, and how that isn't a good thing because that means the only thing standing between humanity and the kind of havoc people like himself try to wreak every day is a man who never gets there in time, never learns, and never changes despite having fended off such world shattering enemies several times before.

Can you imagine Garou being chased out of the town square because he's there with a megaphone telling an absolutely insane story about him being radioactive and getting knocked the fuck out by a god egg?

It's funny, but also could have so many interesting story repercussions; the Hero Association, who laughed Genos off, now have to rethink their entire approach to everything because the guy who was kicking the shit out of their heroes two weeks ago now wants nothing to do with them and is instead running around freaking out about the same story Genos told them, with the caveat that he doesn't think Saitama's supposed strength is anything but a ticking time bomb.

Genos would definitely end up hearing about what Garou is up to, and have to wrestle with his jealousy, his suspicion of Garou, and his attachment to Saitama if he is going to eventually team up with the only other person who knows the full extent of the truth about Saitama's power in order to prevent the doom Garou predicts will come about should other forces as powerful as the hero hunter was continue to challenge Saitama.

And of course, running around town doomsdaying is sure to catch the attention of Bang, who has no idea what to do with Garou anymore, the attention of the general population, who are going to flip their shit when the "ultimate evil" suddenly changes his mind about killing them and is trying to warn them of an even more ultimate evil, and also the attention of the exact kind of challengers Garou is trying to warn everyone about, who no doubt will be drawn to Saitama the way people who learn of his power often are.

I just think it could have been a real domino effect type deal. That being said, I'm not wanting ONE and Murata to change what they have in mind for the story. Somehow I get the feeling that the experienced writers and artists who have brought us countless other great stories have a better idea of how OPM should proceed than a guy with a Tumblr account and a dream.

[polling-sonic-fans]

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[rig0rm0rbid]

OK OK MAKING THIS POST TO ELABORATE ON A SPECIFIC HEADCANON THAT I HAVE THAT I DON'T EVER SEE ANYONE ELSE HAVE ARO ACE RAY STANTZ

I fully stand by Ray being aroace. I feel like a lot of people don't feel this way (possibly, and this is just my assumption so you know, friendly discourse guys) because he is the most openly affectionate member of the team. The only Ghostbuster (from the original team) I've ever seen claimed as aroace is Egon which feels really weird as not only as an autistc person, but also as a gay man in a queer platonic relationship. It's almost like people can't comprehend that an aroace individual could be affectionate. Egon is a more closed off character, and while I head canon him on the ace-spec (as an asexual), I see this happen with so many "rigid" or hyperintelligent characters. Especially characters widely accepted/headcanoned as autistic. And yes, I know there's the whole dream sequence in the first movie. I am well aware (my friend hates that scene lmao). However, the mood slime in the second movie exists and yall still stand by aroace Spengs (and no hate to that! Sexuality is fluid guys!) But maybe an aroace character that is allowed to be affectionate would be nice to see every once and a while!

[stromuprisahat]

character: *holds others responsible for their actions according to rules of the world* them:

me: Do you realize a society needs to have rules and means to enforce them, otherwise it will collapse into chaos?! That a well-written realistic world doesn't avoid punishing characters favoured by the narrative? That treating them like any ordinary person of their position is realism, not malice of those, who do it? That morality keeps shifting with time and due to various circumstances? That times of crisis have harsher rules than peaceful utopia? That judging past- albeit fictional- by modern rules doesn't only do disservice to everyone involved, but prevents you from understanding it? That reading should broaden your horizons instead of fitting characters you connect to into you-shaped form?

[isalisewrites]

Is it crazy to defend a character a certain way? I've had discussions in another server where we discussed this controversial character and I brought up points about how other characters had failed this person.

There were arguments that "they weren't his parents and he betrayed them in the past", which he did and I am not glossing over the crimes he committed. But it feels like big parts of this mess could have been avoided not by just the parent, but the team as well

I'm not doing a good job explaining this, I know, it's just that I would need a whole book to explain this and I struggle with articulating my thoughts

Media literacy is a dying art. I'm seeing a huge uprising of people being unable to analyze the complexities of a show/movie or a text anymore. There's a growing trend to see things only in black and white, rather than the shades of grey that we all exist within.

I don't know the context of the characters and the work you're talking about, so I'll use Tom Riddle from Harry Potter as an example since I read and write HP fanfiction. I have no idea if you're here because of my writing or not.

Canon Tom Riddle is a fucked character. He started two wars and lost them both. He's killed plenty of people. We know this.

But he wasn't born this way, regardless of how much the canon text tries to allude to that. 11 year old Tom is just a traumatized little boy who has been threatened with being thrown into an asylum before. He doesn't have parents. He wasn't raised with love.

So, when Dumbledore fucks with him by setting his wardrobe on fire to "teach him a lesson" about not stealing, I put some responsibility onto Dumbledore’s shoulders.

I am not suggesting that this one act created Voldemort and that Dumbledore is to blame for creating a Dark Lord.

BUT HE SURE AS FUCK DIDN'T HELP!

My GOD, I could rant about it for hours. Tom needed kindness, but he got Dumbledore instead.

Dumbledore does bear some responsibility as the fucking ADULT here. In the case of your media, it sounds like adults failed in the life of this character. This DOES matter. This factor DOES play a part. Mentors are vital here and if the adults fail a child, then it will harm the development of said child. This is basic child rearing and psychology. Does this mean adults are to be blamed for the actions of a child they failed when they're an adult? No, but we should acknowledge their part in the failure of that child.

Now I write a time travel Tomarry fanfiction called, Terrible, But Great. In chapter 12, Tom attempts to crucio Harry for misbehavior/rebellion. Harry dodges it and before the two of them get into a full blown duel, Slughorn interrupts them and defuses the moment without realizing it.

It's kind of fucked up that Tom is able to cast the cruciatus curse so easily. I had a reader complain about this, about how awful it was that Tom could do this and how Harry didn't retaliate. They completely missed the nuances of the scene.

It's the 1940s. Hogwarts readily uses the cane as a punishment. To TBG Tom, it's a mercy to punish someone under the cruciatus curse for two to three seconds rather than have them caned and bear the marks for a week or two. (And this is established in the scene itself.) He despises the cane. He's been beaten as a child before. So, there is complexity to his usage of the cruciatus curse. It is not the same as Voldemort using the curse relishes in the torture.

Tom uses it as a tool. Later on, another character harms an eleven year old girl by using her as a shield and pulling her hair. Tom allows her cousin to use the cruciatus curse for three seconds as punishment for this behavior.

Does it justify Tom's actions? No. But neither does it demonize his actions. Tom has his reasons and those motivations are neither black or white. He is neither a villain nor a hero here.

The inability to critically think about the complexities of characters is a sign of immaturity to me. It is not a crazy thing to do. It just shows that you're able to see the nuances of human behavior.

Isa

[paristexasfan]

i think borderlands finally pushed me over the edge that i should not engage with online character discourse with any piece of media ever because the takes i have seen have always been not only consistently bad but consistently weird and unhinged

[kaeyaswifefromsnezhnaya]

I like how Nene combines her flaws with her good traits in a balance that suits a heroine well. I like when she's called a heroine because that's what she is. But about her traits

Kou seems to be kind-kind, self-sacrificing, but in a painful traumatic way, Nene, what about her, she has all of this too, but not so brightly, partially, in the most difficult situations, not out of the blue easily, she can stop and think about herself and others. She's willing to die to bring Aoi back, but that's an extreme measure, she doesn't base her self-esteem on self-sacrifice in general. On weekdays, you won't find her immersed in a control complex caused by the desire for attention, even though she's the "beloved heroine." She's just joking, really. I don't blame Kou, but I can only feel sorry for him, the boy is deeply affected by what's happening. Nene knows how to just live and enjoy life, even though she knows she's going to die soon. Isn't that incredible?

Hanako knows how to pretend to be cheerful and hide everything, he is a master at this, aaand Nene can do it too, so well that she fooled him(!), at the same time she is emotional and natural girl. She often laughs, screams, and cries, which can't help but make you sympathize with her as a natural character. And with all that, she often tries to pull herself together when it comes to important things. The way she pretended to be asleep to find out more information, how she set conditions for Tsukasa even though she was very afraid of him, how she kept herself together to negotiate with Hanako on the far shore. Oh, she understands the situation she's in, Nanaban-sama, she's pretending to be cheerful for both of you.

Tsukasa, let's say, is physically strong and knows how to find a way out of any situation, that's how he taught Mininene, but she tried as best she could before that, she jumped on Yako's dolls, she took Shijima hostage, how she tried to escape from the palanquin in Sumire's border, how she crawled through a narrow pipe as a fish, and these officials arts where she carries Amane in her arms. Because she's strong girl, she does gardening and can handle heavy gardening tools so she pumped up lol. She will not be left completely helpless in many situations.

Aoi, like, with external gloss, values the inner, but Nene too... she just went towards this for some time in the plot, that's all, she is quite able to value good personal qualities in people qualities, but the way she still enjoys the wrapper makes her more alive, and not an attempt at being sigmagirl, which is not like these others pickmies, but we are all sinners 🙏🏻 let girl have a hobby. It stinks of this "I'm not into guys, makeup, and all that stuff because I'm not like other girls" thing, but like, what about not liking it without elevating yourself above others. Because if a girl starts liking "all things girly" she automatically becomes a disgrace in the eyes of those people. But Nene doesn't have to change her hobbies for "cooler" ones, why can't she just be herself, hmm?

Teru, for example, has information, and Nene also tries to manipulate the pieces of the puzzle that she has. She often draws very good conclusions from the little she has. And yet, it must be said that everyone is constantly hiding things from her. Hanako hasn't told her about the death threat, how he's going to deal with it, who he is, what happened in his past, what's really behind the history of this school, although it ultimately doesn't help her, because Nene is already involved enough to know something that would help her. Aoi constantly pretends to her and hides everything, which is why her breakdown in the Shinigami boundary comes as a shock to Nene. But is it fair to Nene to wait for her to figure it out on her own and not say a word, forcing her to believe in a false image that she created for herself due to the lack of truth? And yet, Nene still believes Aoi, is drawn to her, and is willing to sacrifice herself for her. Kou is also very secretive in himself. Nene is caught in a whirlwind of dangerous and unfamiliar events, knowing the bare minimum, and still copes. She builds chains in her head every time she gets into a situation. She's not wrong that Hanako is not indifferent to her, and she still did not believe it until she was sure of it. She's not wrong that Tsukasa is angry that Amane killed him, or that she is the main character, because she is, or that Tsukasa kidnapped her with some purpose of using her work and spite Amane. She thinks.

It's just that none of these qualities are pumped up to the maximum, it seems that Nene is not good at any of this, but she does not need to, the point is that she has this soup of everything at once, also with shortcomings, which, by the way, are not so much hyperbolized and do not radically stop the plot. It's just that Nene can actually do a lot of things, but no one is interested in it, the main attention is drawn to her shortcomings. But this is Aidairo's writing... such double standards in fandom, to be honest.

Not letting Kou deal with his savior and control complex, tormenting Mitsuba with his presence on the near shore when he no longer wants it, to show Aoi as a beautiful decoration of the plot, to merge Akane into Aoi's simp, not to give Hanako retribution for his actions, all this does not cause even half of the indignation that the next gag about Nene, who got stuck on some handsome passerby, does. Yes, this is once again, and it is not very funny, perhaps, but what about the listed list? It's not just Nene who is exposed through some old and no longer relevant jokes. It's not just Nene who can't fully understand her behavior.

How all the reasons for Nene's hate are just a lead-in to "I don't like how unreasonable she is at her age" but she was never meant to be a young genius heroine. She is the most simple and ordinary, and at the same time beautiful in her own way, as each of us can be. This hatred for schoolgirl characters so often stems from some of their own complexes. I love Nene and always have. Even when Aoi was my favorite, I didn't want to scold Nene, because why 😭😭

[lovely-cherubs]

Disassembly Discussion #1: N is NOT obsessed with Uzi

Am I the only one who doesn’t like/disagrees with the whole "N is obsessed with Uzi" and vice versa argument? Like I’m sorry, but as somebody who’s been an outcast my entire life and wasn't able to find people who treated me like a human being until like high school, I find that argument to be pretty vague. Like obsessed how? Like Marionette DuPain Cheng obsessed?

To me, I don't see N being obsessed with Uzi at all. I mean think about it: his whole entire life he been treated like an outcast by his own two teammates. V pretended to not notice him and J abused him physically and verbally.

Then we get to episode 1, he finally found somebody who saw him for who he was, who DIDN'T think he was "useless and terrible", who in general he could relate to (aka Uzi). It makes sense that he would be closer to her than everybody else in the group. I mean, from the beginning it was already established that he wasn’t that close with V or J, especially J for obvious reasons.

Not only that, but people seem to forget that episode six, he literally lost V and assumed she was dead. If I were him, I'd probably become more on edge with the fear of losing the only person I have left with me. And don't even get me started with Uzi. She’s been treated like an outcast by everybody in the bunker. Add her negligent father to the picture along with being constantly bullied by Lizzy, we can see how that took a toll on her self-image, self-confidence, and everything.

It may seem like obsession/limerance, but it's really not. When you’ve been treated like crap your entire life by those around you, it can be pretty easy to get attached and close to somebody who finally treats you like a human being. Speaking from experience.

So, I’m sorry but I kind of find this whole idea that N is obsessed with Uzi to be pretty ignorant and it makes me think that the people who say this have been liked by the people around them their entire lives, much more, weren't outcasts growing up. Let me know what you think. Feel free to disagree with me, but I don’t think that N is obsessed with Uzi by a longshot.

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Unpopular opinion but if ur a Lily fan and hate on jegulus purely based on ur love for Lily dni. If you can’t see a character outside of their relationship (especially with women and men) then you aren’t actually a fan of that character. Let women be something outside of the men in their lives !!!