#antis

[cake-n]

why is the topic even rising again??

[animentality]

[thoughtaddictand]

Free Palestine! Or maybe get Palestinian leaders to accept the 7th offer for statehood they get

[coulsonlives]

Dealing with antis on my posts like

[corpsething]

How antis look at you when they ignore every warning for problematic content and they end up seeing problematic content

[sixtharrow]

It’s weird. Way back in the day (like, pre-Voltron Legendary Defender era) the relationship between two unrelated fictional guys being considered “brotherly” would have been quite validating to us slash shippers. It’s like, oh wow, they’re that close, huh. They already consider themselves each other’s family. They’d die for each other. We’d have thought a romantic relationship stemming from that was perfectly logical!

And it’s not like the ship would ever be canon, so having that sort of deep bond was the next best thing. The fanworks would just have to take it from there.

But it’s so different these days. A character says “you’re like a brother to me” and now shipping two unrelated fictional guys is literally incest? Even though this has been a trope in straight romances for forever? Wow, the view has really shifted! Of course, shippers back in the day were much looser regarding canon roles, ages, power dynamics, or hell, even whether or not two characters existed in the same universe in the first place! But this is one argument I’ve just never been a fan of. Like, I used to say my first gf was my sister all the damn time because I didn’t know how else to interpret my feeings for her early on. And the fact that this seems to disproportionately affect m/m ships and f/f ships is telling, too. Also, people’s views of each other can...change? Sure, maybe Character A once saw Character B as his brother, but something is different now, and so he has to go and navigate those feelings. I mean the whole point of fanworks is exploration. For the characters as well as the writer. And just like back in the day, the ships are rarely canonized, which means something is always being changed or expanded. We just didn't have killjoys in our ears telling us we couldn’t ship two unrelated fictional guys because one of them once referred to the other as a brother or whatever. Well, we did, cause homophobes exist, we just didn’t usually hear it from fellow shippers.

[wolveria]

"Certain ships should be illegal!" How does it feel to fall for the same fear-mongering, book-burning, pearl-clutching reactionary propaganda that your grandparents did.

"But it'll lead to pedophilia!" And the Satanic panic of the 80s and 90s gained momentum out of real fear for the safety of children. Didn't make it true. Strong emotions do not indicate factual accuracy.

Just because you're young and label yourself a progressive doesn't mean your critical thinking skills and media literacy are better than the generations before you. In fact, due to right-wing evangelical influence on school budgets and boards, they're probably worse.

[leaelakey]

Why is this the reaction of most antis in these comments? This, and many of their other responses to people who defend dark fiction, is to tell them to kill themselves. How is this normal? Are they all children and should I just ignore it, or are there really such degenerates among the adult population with me?

[chengfagshi]

So uh, this is disgusting in so many ways. This anti is shipping a REAL 14 YEAR OLD WITH A REAL PEDOPHILE. Please report them on tiktok! THIS IS NOT OKAY. Some antis are actually calling them out for this but then you have the dumbasses being like "proshippers getting mad even though they do the same thing". SHIPPING FICTIONAL FUCKING CHARACTERS IS NOT THE SAME AS SHIPPING A REAL CHILD WITH A REAL PEDOPHILE. Some of y'all deserve to be fucking slapped and I'm not even joking.

Edit: And if you're wondering, this is the same fucker that posted proship minor's faces from that discord server!

[mediacinemtographyartetc]

Antis who hate fictional grooming, endorse real life grooming?

[cacodaemonia]

I've seen non-antis doing this for a while now, so here's your reminder that 'proship' is NOT an adjective for describing fictional relationships.

The 'pro' does NOT mean 'problematic,' as in "this is a problematic ship" (which, if you have critical thinking skills, you'll know is a ridiculous statement). That 'pro = problematic' idea is just something antis made up—or they didn't understand that in English, 'pro' is the opposite prefix of 'anti.' You know, how they're anti-ship, which means they are against fictional ships that they don't personally like.

The 'pro' in proship simply means 'in favor of.' And 'proship' as a whole describes the 'ship and let ship' mindset, which has been a core of fandom basically forever. The reason the term 'proship' exists at all is in response to antis crusading against particular ships and harming real people because of their preferences.

So, antiship, proship; antishipper, proshipper.

Just as you can say you're pro-choice, you can say you're proship—as in, you're in favor of letting people ship whatever they want and it's not your business. That's basically the same thing as calling yourself a proshipper, though I tend to see that more from people who are really into the ship war discourse.

Anyway, calling a fictional relationship a 'proship' makes as much sense as calling that ship an 'antiship.' And when you conflate 'pro' with 'problematic,' not only are you playing into antis' moral purity nonsense, but you're entirely changing the subject of the conversation. Please stop doing it.

[animentality]

[writinginthesecrettrees]

Ok, I'm gonna be REAL controversial for a second:

Saying "incest and underage fics are ok because it's usually CSA survivors recontextualizing/processing their own experience" is just purity culture lite. It's like saying "Birth control should be legal because some people use it for non-birth control related purposes" or "abortion needs to be legal because women can die without it."

Yes, these are TRUE and IMPORTANT things. But kind of... not the point?

Kind of giving way to the antis, the puritanical right, the misogynists who just want to control women (because you KNOW they aren't thinking about trans men or nonbinary people when they legislate abortion).

Lemme see if I can explain: by saying "look at this VALID and IMPORTANT reason someone might have for doing the thing you don't like," you are saying that there are invalid reasons for it. That some people shouldn't do it.

You are saying that it is objectively wrong, and that exceptions must be made for it to be okay. And putting aside the fact that NO ONE should have to disclose their personal trauma for judgement, that no one should have to disclose their personal medical history to a judge or legislator before receiving treatment... you are conceding the point.

I refuse to concede anything on this.

I like fucked up fic, I like being able to fuck without getting pregnant, I like that if my birth control fails I can still make a choice about whether or not I want to be pregnant and give birth. I WILL NOT go into my reasons on ANY of this. Because YOU do not have a right to that information, and I am also protecting the privacy of everyone else who does not want to share their reasons.

[coulsonlives]

"Wah, why aren't fandoms fun anymore?"

Because you keep policing people's headcanons, making fun of them and calling them horrible things, and on top of that, you're somehow claiming to be a safe space for people to express their creativity, yet turning around and harassing them anyways because you've made a billion exceptions to the "don't police people" rule and you think, like everyone else who's made their own exceptions, that your exceptions justify harassment.

So you're making fandom into a field of rat traps where nobody even dares interact with anyone, or shares art anymore, because you still might just attack them for it because they did something as simple as writing a canonically soft character as... a softie.

Let people do their "cringe" y/a romances, let people do their "gross" ships, let people write those characters as jerks or softies. Let them, and mean it when you say you'll let them, instead of soapboxing about it in a patronizing post but not really meaning what you're soapboxing about.

[lifemocksart]

i really dont understand how antis can say something like this to someone over a ship and then can convince themselves that theyre in the right for doing so